Rookies of the Year (1 Viewer)

[fridayfrenzy]

10 tackles, INT, FF, Pass defensed against the Steelers to gain control of AFC North isn't a huge game?

Tatupu8 tackles, 1 Ast.

1 INT, returned 38 yards

1 TD

3 Pass Def.(1 caused an INT)

0 points allowed

Thurman

6 tackles, 3 Ast.

1 INT, returned 5 yards

0 TD

1 Pass Def.

31 points allowed

I would have to say Lofa's look like a better game

 

[mchaps55]

I'm a dolphins fan and would love to see Brown win it. However this isn't fantasy football and a QB with 8 wins at this pt and with a chance of getting the number 1 seed going into the playoffs speaks volumns. Orton will get Rookie of the Year honors!

 

[Incogneto]

Lofa! Lofa! Lofa! Lofa!

 

[RustyFA]

Ronnie Brown and Darrient Williams/Merriman

 

[Trey]

I'm sorry, but if Orton wins Rookie of the Year they should change the award's name to "Rookie Lucky Enough to be Drafted Onto a Team That Had a Bounce Back Year"...Ronnie Brown is going to break 1,000 yards rushing even with the RBBC... I don't see how you can even make a case for Kyle "I may be benched for Rex Grossman" Orton.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Ronnie Brown/Derrick Johnson my choicesCLose second Caddy Williams/Demarcus Ware

 

[fridayfrenzy]

For DROY, it should only be between two players....Tatupu vs. Thurman. Period.Looking a the disparity in votes for Rookie of the Week award going to Thurman, you can tell that Lofa is hindered because he plays in Seattle. Lofa had a better game than Thurman.Salisbury said the award should go to Lofa. Lofa is quarterbacking the Seahawks Defense and calling the shots at the line in his first year in the league and they are currently 7th in PPG allowed, compared to 22nd last year. Thurman is not doing the same in Cincy.

 

[Red Apples]

Sam Gado was named rookie of the week, rookie of the month...could rookie of the year be far off?

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Sam Gado was named rookie of the week, rookie of the month...

could rookie of the year be far off?

No way, not compared to Ronnie

 

[Red Apples]

Sam Gado was named rookie of the week, rookie of the month...

could rookie of the year be far off?

No way, not compared to Ronnie

ronnie has 4 TDs, gado has 5.yes, ronnie has like a 500 yard lead on gado but w/ ronnie splitting carries the rest of the way and gado being the only healthy back in green bay...

i say w/ 4 more weeks to play, it could be gado.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

For DROY, it should only be between two players....Tatupu vs. Thurman. Period.

Glad I am not the only one who thinks so.Pro Football Weekly

Tied-1. Seahawks MLB Lofa Tatupu

Season stats (12 games): 90 tackles, 3.5 sacks, two interceptions, six passes defended

Week 13 stats: nine tackles, interception, TD; four passes defended

Last week’s ranking: 3

Stock: RISING

Early in the second quarter of the Seahawks’ statement game Monday, Tatupu cut in front of Eagles TE L.J. Smith, picking off QB Mike McMahon's pass and running 38 yards for his first pro touchdown, making the game essentially over at 21-0. Tatupu made several nice stops on RB Brian Westbrook — as well as a great play in the backfield on Ryan Moats for a four-yard loss long after most people stopped watching — but also had a ridiculous four passes defended.

Tied-1. Bengals LB Odell Thurman

Season stats (12 games): 73 tackles, five interceptions, eight passes defended, four forced fumbles, fumble recovery, sack

Week 13 stats: 10 tackles, interception, pass defended, forced fumble

Last week’s ranking: 2

Stock: RISING

There was no way, even with Tatupu’s big game, that we could overlook the performance of Thurman, who had a huge stamp on Cincy’s big win in Pittsburgh. He made a big hit on Steelers RB Willie Parker, forcing a fumble late in the third quarter that the Steelers fell on, but two plays later CB Deltha O’Neal had a pick. Thurman did have a roughing-the-passer penalty before that, but made up for it with an athletic interception of QB Ben Roethlisberger, a turnover that led to the game-winning TD run by Rudi Johnson.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Featu...05/rookie13.htm

 

[ren hoek]

I dunno.. if we're talking about who statistically has had the better season, Tatupu would probably win out because of his lead in tackles (I personally value interceptions more and think they are a better indicator of a LB's ability to make plays, but whatevs). But if we're talking about a player coming in and making key plays in a big game, Thurman has to get the nod over Tatupu. His INT on the Roethlisberger pass intended for Ward was absolutely key in our victory, and his presence in the middle over the course of the season has been huge in improving our rushing defense from last year. I'll toss my vote in there for Thurman, but I do think Merriman has been a beast this year as well. The only thing keeping him out of this argument is the fact that he wasn't even starting until like Week 7.I think the best way to answer the Thurman/Tatupu argument is to ask yourself which LB you would rather build your defense around. And I've seen enough of Thurman to know that he's as real as they get at LB.

 

[JBaldachino]

Orton is having a terrible year. To quote the http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5120522

Orton has completed just 55 percent of passes for only 5.2 yards per attempt — barely higher than the historically low average allowed by the Bears defense. (By comparison, Trent Dilfer averaged 6.9 yards per attempt for the 2000 Ravens.) And his reputation as a turnover-avoiding game manager is ludicrous, considering that he's thrown 12 interceptions and fumbled the ball 10 times. . .

A football team has 45 active guys on game day, but only one of those players gets to ride the coattails of his more productive teammates to a reputation as a "winner." If Kyle Orton's 2005 season doesn't convince you that quarterbacks should not be judged by their win-loss record, I don't know what will. Chicago's defense should be offended whenever anyone suggests that Orton is a "game manager" who "just wins games." It denigrates the group's hard work and historically spectacular performance.

Orton has now breached the list of the 10 worst quarterback seasons since the beginning of DPAR stats in 1998:

QB Year DPAR

David Carr 2002 -64.0

Ryan Leaf 2000 -63.2

Bobby Hoying 1998 -59.7

Ryan Leaf 1998 -55.4

Jake Plummer 1999 -51.3

Alex Smith 2005* -47.0

Craig Krenzel 2004 -42.1

Kyle Orton 2005* -38.5

Chris Weinke 2001 -34.8

Donovan McNabb 1999 -34.2

For the record, Kerry Collins has a 39.4 DPAR, ranked 13. Joey Harrington has a -3.9, ranking 32 . Orton is dead last, ranking -34.9 for 40th place. (Alex Smith has not played enough snaps to be included yet). 39th place is Losman, at -18.8. Orton is terrible. That being said, he is in the IDEAL environment to grow. His offense is ok, with the top receiver from last year and a decent running game and a running back with hands. His OL is good, not oustanding but good. He has a historically good defense, that scores more points than he does. Hell he can be terrible and they still win. Like last week, pathetic. But he wins, it builds his confidence and lets him roll with the punches. His one chance is if the bears win out and he steps up his play. No other rookie is playing that well, but I could definately see C. Williams picking it up down the stretch and allievating voters of the condrum of Kyle Orton.

 

[jonessed]

Merriman has 7 sacks in 8 starts which is pretty amazing. It's also why his tackles are lower. If he can keep the pace now that he is starting he should get the nod. It might be tough though as I think Foley is back from injury.Cadillac has a chance for it if he finishes strong. If not I think Orton.

 

[mad sweeney]

I dunno.. if we're talking about who statistically has had the better season, Tatupu would probably win out because of his lead in tackles (I personally value interceptions more and think they are a better indicator of a LB's ability to make plays, but whatevs).

But if we're talking about a player coming in and making key plays in a big game, Thurman has to get the nod over Tatupu. His INT on the Roethlisberger pass intended for Ward was absolutely key in our victory, and his presence in the middle over the course of the season has been huge in improving our rushing defense from last year. I'll toss my vote in there for Thurman, but I do think Merriman has been a beast this year as well. The only thing keeping him out of this argument is the fact that he wasn't even starting until like Week 7.

I think the best way to answer the Thurman/Tatupu argument is to ask yourself which LB you would rather build your defense around. And I've seen enough of Thurman to know that he's as real as they get at LB.

Ihaven't seen much of Thurman, but watching all the Seahawk games, I can see the Hawks D is already built around Lofa. He calls the plays and adjustments and is involved on almost every single play it seems (he tipped the Boulware INT and caused the fumble that Dyson returned). So my answer to that is Tatupu. He's a super high motor beast from a championship school and seems to refuse to lose by will alone.

 

[stevec]

As a Seahawks fan, I didn't like the Tatupu pick when they made it - I thought it was a reach, and that they could've gotten him later. I was wrong.If Thurman wins, that'd be okay - but it's got to be one of those guys.On the other side of the ball, Orton is playing badly with high visibility and winning. If Miami or Tampa makes the playoffs the RB's have a good shot. How about Heath Miller?

 

[ajlight]

Heath Miller or Ronnie Brown.O. Thurman.Pretty easy in my eyes.

 

[FUBAR]

Heath Miller or Ronnie Brown.

O. Thurman.

Pretty easy in my eyes.

Maybe to you, but Lofa Tatupu is just as valuable. Heath Miller and Tatupu.

 

[Capella]

Caddy or Brown.Orton will be lucky to get 5 votes. It's the D and special-teams people. 6-17 for 40 yards isn't going to be winning any awards.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

What is the most important factor in football?Stats or Wins?I think that speaks for itself and that is why Orton will win the award. With 9 wins and getting them against some good defenses-TB, CAR, BALT....Lastly, you cannot compare Big Ben to Orton for the simple fact of weapons. Tommy Maddux had an awesome year for the steelers and those weapons and Kordell had a season in there too.....it is a system that fits well for a QB.The bears on the other hand have never been a passing team...the last time was back in the Erik Kramer days(ironically last time Ron Turner was the OC).However who would you rather have Burress, Ward, Randle El, Bettis, Staley, ParkerorMuhammed, Berrian, Gage, T Jones, Peterson, Benson?It is obvious that it is the system and the weapons.Orton does enough to make his team win....sorry if he isn't helping out your fantasy teams...but he is leading my team to there best season in a long time!!

 

[Newman]

Orton does enough to make his team win....sorry if he isn't helping out your fantasy teams...but he is leading my team to there best season in a long time!!

You honestly believe that Orton is leading the Bears to their best season in a long time?

 

[Capella]

What is the most important factor in football?

Stats or Wins?

I think that speaks for itself and that is why Orton will win the award. With 9 wins and getting them against some good defenses-TB, CAR, BALT....

Lastly, you cannot compare Big Ben to Orton for the simple fact of weapons. Tommy Maddux had an awesome year for the steelers and those weapons and Kordell had a season in there too.....it is a system that fits well for a QB.

The bears on the other hand have never been a passing team...the last time was back in the Erik Kramer days(ironically last time Ron Turner was the OC).

However who would you rather have Burress, Ward, Randle El, Bettis, Staley, Parker

or

Muhammed, Berrian, Gage, T Jones, Peterson, Benson?

It is obvious that it is the system and the weapons.

Orton does enough to make his team win....sorry if he isn't helping out your fantasy teams...but he is leading my team to there best season in a long time!!

Again, he's not leading your team anywhere.I'll never understand fans who blindly give the QB all the credit in the world, while the suffocating defense and terrific special-teams play gets no credit.

Those are the reasons why the Bears are winning, along with the Oline and Thomas Jones. Orton isn't even in the conversation.

 

[JBaldachino]

Krenzel also won his first what 4 games or something. Yea, winning is all that matters. Why does the QB get all the credit? Hell, if a player plays for a winning team that must mean he's worth of rookie of the year. Whats more important, winning or stats? Obviously winning. No rookie not on the team with the best record in the NFL should win any award. Period. Therefore, to win Offensive ROY, the bears better finish with a higher record than the Bucs, Steelers, and any other team with a rookie starting. IF the Bucs finish with 1 more win than the bears, how can you justify giving Orton the award? Wins are all that matter.

 

[jfontestad]

I think Orton has done a good job.... But it's the Bears D that has them where they're at....Cadillac is doing pretty well.... Heath Miller too...Merriman and Thurman also deserve mention from the D-Side

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

No because no one player wins a game...just like MJ needed pippen and others....however QB IS THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD!!! Those of us that are actually involved in football past the high school level and not a casual fan would know something like that. The pressure on Orton's shoulders is much more significant than any other rookie....Fitzpatrick has nothin to lost when he plays....RB is the easiest position to enter the league and make a smooth transition. WR rarely win the award.He has more pressure because he made his team in a playoff hunt and has done just enough to win......what more do you want from the guy? 3000 yard passing season and 30 tds with 10 int's....that is not our offense and not for a rookie with the weapons he has at his fingertips.

 

[jfontestad]

true,many of college's greats were QBs in HighSchool... then changed when they reached the college level...QB is a difficult position, but he has a great D that helps them win most games.

 

[FUBAR]

OROY - Orton - he wins games!DROY - Marlin Jackson - he wins games!End of discussion.

 

[SoFresh&SoClean]

When it's all said and done, Chris Henry will be the leading rookie receiver, he may get a look...

 

[Tremendous Upside]

What is the most important factor in football?

Stats or Wins?

I think that speaks for itself and that is why Orton will win the award. With 9 wins and getting them against some good defenses-TB, CAR, BALT....

Lastly, you cannot compare Big Ben to Orton for the simple fact of weapons. Tommy Maddux had an awesome year for the steelers and those weapons and Kordell had a season in there too.....it is a system that fits well for a QB.

The bears on the other hand have never been a passing team...the last time was back in the Erik Kramer days(ironically last time Ron Turner was the OC).

However who would you rather have Burress, Ward, Randle El, Bettis, Staley, Parker

or

Muhammed, Berrian, Gage, T Jones, Peterson, Benson?

It is obvious that it is the system and the weapons.

Orton does enough to make his team win....sorry if he isn't helping out your fantasy teams...but he is leading my team to there best season in a long time!!

Again, he's not leading your team anywhere.I'll never understand fans who blindly give the QB all the credit in the world, while the suffocating defense and terrific special-teams play gets no credit.

Those are the reasons why the Bears are winning, along with the Oline and Thomas Jones. Orton isn't even in the conversation.

Orton might be the worst QB on a very good team I have ever seen...

The Bears are not winning becuase of him, they are winning despite him...

He averages 13.75 completions for 132 yards per game and has turned the ball over 18 times compared to ony 9 TDs...

If the Bears defense was anything less than a dominant unit, they would be a sub-.500 team...

 

[Capella]

No because no one player wins a game...just like MJ needed pippen and others....however QB IS THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD!!! Those of us that are actually involved in football past the high school level and not a casual fan would know something like that.

The pressure on Orton's shoulders is much more significant than any other rookie....Fitzpatrick has nothin to lost when he plays....RB is the easiest position to enter the league and make a smooth transition. WR rarely win the award.

He has more pressure because he made his team in a playoff hunt and has done just enough to win......what more do you want from the guy? 3000 yard passing season and 30 tds with 10 int's....that is not our offense and not for a rookie with the weapons he has at his fingertips.

I'm sure you're a blind homer, but Orton sucks. He has the worst QB rating in the league. There is no objective analysis you can use to say he's the one responsible for them winning. At all. This "I played the game, I know how important the position is" nonsense won't fly here buddy, sorry. His QB rating is worse than Joey Harrington's. Joey Harrington. Let that sink in.

 

[Quez]

Caddy, especially with a good finish. He has won 3 ROW, and been nominated more than anyone else.If he does not get it, it will be 2 years in a row Buc's players have been robbed. I will puke if Orton gets it, that would be the same b.s. as Big Ben last year. An average QB looking good on a predominantly running offense.

 

[stevec]

I will puke if Orton gets it, that would be the same b.s. as Big Ben last year. An average QB looking good on a predominantly running offense.

There is NO comparison between Roethlisberger & Orton: G COMP ATT PCT YDS Y/A TD INT RUSH YDS TDOrton 12 165 309 53.4 1591 5.1 9 13 | 20 34 0Roeth 14 196 295 66.4 2621 8.9 17 11 | 56 144 1Roethlisberger:Better TD-INT ratioBetter YPABetter Percent CompletedBetter RushingBetter Team (in harder division and conference with better record)

 

[Capella]

Caddy is the only correct answer here.

 

[gigantor]

sad crop of rookies

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

LOL@ at all the Orton love.

 

[BGP]

The only correct answer here is ROY is a worthless opinion poll. The arguements have no value and neither does the award. The only winning move here is not participating in the discussion.

 

[Capella]

The only correct answer here is ROY is a worthless opinion poll. The arguements have no value and neither does the award. The only winning move here is not participating in the discussion.

and yet, here you are..

 

[Capella]

LOL@ at all the Orton love.

but his team is WINNING!

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

The only correct answer here is ROY is a worthless opinion poll. The arguements have no value and neither does the award. The only winning move here is not participating in the discussion.

Stick to your gold chat, son.

 

[Red Apples]

lets see what gado does tonight.

 

[Capella]

lets see what gado does tonight.

You really think a three-week starter on a 2-10 team has a shot against Caddy or Brown?It's a two-horse race now. Gado has about the same chance to win this thing as Orton does.

 

[Red Apples]

lets see what gado does tonight.

You really think a three-week starter on a 2-10 team has a shot against Caddy or Brown?It's a two-horse race now. Gado has about the same chance to win this thing as Orton does.

gado has won, rookie of the week & rookie of the month.caddy & brown have done well, but going into week 14 gado had more tds.

gado is a great story, has gotten some good press, and yes, i say if he finishes strong he could win it.

 

[Capella]

lets see what gado does tonight.

You really think a three-week starter on a 2-10 team has a shot against Caddy or Brown?It's a two-horse race now. Gado has about the same chance to win this thing as Orton does.

gado has won, rookie of the week & rookie of the month.caddy & brown have done well, but going into week 14 gado had more tds.

gado is a great story, has gotten some good press, and yes, i say if he finishes strong he could win it.

After today, Caddy will have about 930 yards and 5 TDs and has been the overwhelming reason why this team is in first place.Going into tonight's game, Gado has 366 yards, 5 TDs and is on a team that is currently 2-10.

Sorry, but it won't even be close. Gado isn't in this conversation.

Btw, voters aren't fantasy players, they don't necessarily stare at touchdown totals.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

lets see what gado does tonight.

You really think a three-week starter on a 2-10 team has a shot against Caddy or Brown?It's a two-horse race now. Gado has about the same chance to win this thing as Orton does.

gado has won, rookie of the week & rookie of the month.caddy & brown have done well, but going into week 14 gado had more tds.

gado is a great story, has gotten some good press, and yes, i say if he finishes strong he could win it.

He can fly in on a pig to accept the award.

 

[Donnybrook]

lets see what gado does tonight.

You really think a three-week starter on a 2-10 team has a shot against Caddy or Brown?It's a two-horse race now. Gado has about the same chance to win this thing as Orton does.

gado has won, rookie of the week & rookie of the month.caddy & brown have done well, but going into week 14 gado had more tds.

gado is a great story, has gotten some good press, and yes, i say if he finishes strong he could win it.

Dude, I think you are being naive. Even if it was close (and it isn’t), the deciding votes will go to a player on a playoff team.

 

[Capella]

lets see what gado does tonight.

You really think a three-week starter on a 2-10 team has a shot against Caddy or Brown?It's a two-horse race now. Gado has about the same chance to win this thing as Orton does.

gado has won, rookie of the week & rookie of the month.caddy & brown have done well, but going into week 14 gado had more tds.

gado is a great story, has gotten some good press, and yes, i say if he finishes strong he could win it.

He can fly in on a pig to accept the award.

 

[-OZ-]

lets see what gado does tonight.

You really think a three-week starter on a 2-10 team has a shot against Caddy or Brown?It's a two-horse race now. Gado has about the same chance to win this thing as Orton does.

gado has won, rookie of the week & rookie of the month.caddy & brown have done well, but going into week 14 gado had more tds.

gado is a great story, has gotten some good press, and yes, i say if he finishes strong he could win it.

Dude, I think you are being naive. Even if it was close (and it isn’t), the deciding votes will go to a player on a playoff team.

Gado might just get the vote afterall.

 

[Aaronur]

Statiscly speaking the winner has to be Cadillac, he has played in less games than Brown and has more yards is getting more carries and has more touchdowns. He was down because of injury for a bit, but when he has played he has been really good, he even toughed it out for a while when he wasn't 100%.

 

[Bri]

Caddy is the only correct answer here.

way to contribute to the debate."Beat up" anyone that says a player from a former or present Bucs rival.

How many rookie of the month awards does Caddy have? How many does Gado have?

Were you a Shaun King fan? Maybe if you thought of that when you commented on Orton you wouldn't be beating people up about liking Orton.

 

[Bri]

Statiscly speaking the winner has to be Cadillac, he has played in less games than Brown and has more yards is getting more carries and has more touchdowns. He was down because of injury for a bit, but when he has played he has been really good, he even toughed it out for a while when he wasn't 100%.

defensive players can't win?