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Rooting for an Orton/Marshall reunion (1 Viewer)
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Hüsker Brü
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A reunion with Orton would put Marshall squarely in the top 10 at WR, wouldn't it?
Curious whether you guys think it would move Marshall ahead of guys like V-Jax, D-Jax, Wayne and Fitz in redraft leagues. I'd be tempted to move Marshall ahead of all of the above except maybe Fitz, the one guy in that group with raw talent equal to or greater than Marshall. Thoughts?
Curious whether you guys think it would move Marshall ahead of guys like V-Jax, D-Jax, Wayne and Fitz in redraft leagues. I'd be tempted to move Marshall ahead of all of the above except maybe Fitz, the one guy in that group with raw talent equal to or greater than Marshall. Thoughts?
I agree-I probably would put him behind Fitz especially if the Cardinals sign Kolb.
sihaokills
Footballguy
That would put the Miami offense on the map especially if Reggie or Bradshaw comes
Jayrod
Footballguy
Same players, but not the same system and coaches. I would temper expectations of a 100+catch 10+TD season.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
But can we assume that Miami is keeping the status quo for the offense? That seems unlikely given their attempted acquisitions (Orton, Bush). You don't go after Reggie Bush unless you plan to open up your passing game.
Banger
Footballguy
why? he was on a 100 catch pace last year and he caught 100 the 3 prior years. 10 tds is likely high (I'd say 708) but I'd expect him to catch around 100 balls.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
As others have said, this isn't an analog. The Dolphins are going to have a different offense in place, different play caller, and should have a respectable enough defense that their run/pass ratio will be different from the 2009 Broncos. Now that said, the Dolphins cupboard is bare outside of Marshall and Reggie Bush right now. I would think if they make no other moves, Bush could catch 70+ balls and Marshall would be 85+ in a 16-game tilt.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
But, why are we predicting near career high numbers for Bush, and near career low numbers for Marshall? Marshall is the more talented of the two, and he's more vocal about "getting his." I'd say its more likely that Marshall gets to 100 catches than it is Bush catches 70 passes. Of course, both could happen.
In 2009, Denver passed the ball 34.9 times per game.In 2010, Miami passed the ball 34.8 times per game.I'm not sure there is reason to believe that their run game will be more effective this coming year, but I do see good reason to believe the passing game could be better with an Orton, Marshall, Bess, Bush combo.Some other Marshall stats:Year Att/gm Rec/gm 16gm QB2007 32.2 6.375 102 Cutler2008 38.8 6.933 111 Cutler2009 34.9 6.733 108 Orton2010 34.8 6.143 98 Henne
Shutout
Footballguy
I'm surprised more people are talking about this. It would REALLY put Marshall's value back up in the near-elite category. I wouldn't put him above Fitz or Wayne in PPR because those guys are just going to flat out get their share but VJAX is about where I would draw the line in comparison (and I think he out performs DJAX).
Orton and Marshall together agains would be very good for both, regardless of offensive philosophies in Miami. The dolphins have said all offseason that they intend very much to open things up and, well, you have two guys that can step on the practice field and say "this is how we did it and can still do it". Even last year, as bad as it was, Marshall was on a very good catch pace. If he stay healthy, I see no reason why he doesnt hit the 90+ range and if the TDs come back; yeah, he's on the cusp of the great ones again.
Orton and Marshall together agains would be very good for both, regardless of offensive philosophies in Miami. The dolphins have said all offseason that they intend very much to open things up and, well, you have two guys that can step on the practice field and say "this is how we did it and can still do it". Even last year, as bad as it was, Marshall was on a very good catch pace. If he stay healthy, I see no reason why he doesnt hit the 90+ range and if the TDs come back; yeah, he's on the cusp of the great ones again.
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
I think the "X-factor" in all of this, who everyone is forgetting, is Davone Bess. Nifty player, who has 209 receptions in 3 years in the NFL (just for perspective, Marshall had 226 his first three years). I think his numbers will be effected by Bush's prescence, but unles his does a "Lance Moore" like disappearing act when Bush is on the field (and I don't think he will), he will take away from Bush. I also think that there are enough guys on the team (the Hartlines of the world), that projecting Marshall at 85 catches is fair (especially when you consider he has four games against the jets and pats, plus their NFC schedule is against the East and a game against Tampa).
I've never been a big fan of Orton but I cant think of another trade/ signing that would lift so many fantasy players at one time. At least at this moment.
Orton, Marshall, Bush, Thomas and Bess.
That's 5 guys getting a bump and I'm not including fringe players.
Make this happen.
Orton, Marshall, Bush, Thomas and Bess.
That's 5 guys getting a bump and I'm not including fringe players.
Make this happen.
tim_whatley
Footballguy
Jake Plummer
massraider
Footballguy
Until Tony Sparano shows he is halfway decent, I am really nervous about any Miami players. If Orton goes there, is it good news for Marshall? Sure. But I am not expecting Orton's Denver numbers to follow him to MIA.
Also: Bess, Bush, and Marshall all catch balls in the same area. That's not great for any of them.
Also: Bess, Bush, and Marshall all catch balls in the same area. That's not great for any of them.
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I dont expect his Denver #'s either. But you have to admit, compared to Henne, Orton is AllPro.And Sporano better step up this year, he's on the hottest of hot seats.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Why is everyone talking about his potential to get 100 receptions? The receptions are irrelevant. He already had them last year when people considered him a bust. Had he not missed two games he likely would have finished with 95. You mean to say that 6 additional receptions is going to transform him from huge bust to elite WR again?
Marshall's problems last year were his extremely low YPC and lack of touchdowns. That's what we should be discussing Orton's affect on, not receptions that he was already getting.
Personally, I just don't think Miami is going to provide those for him. It's just not the offense they run. People can talk about them "wanting to open it up more" all they want, but we hear nonsense like that a dozen times every offseason that never amounts to even so much as an effort to do what they were claiming. New OC this year so there's some hope on that front, but he hasn't exactly shown a knack for the downfield passing and I highly doubt Sporano is going to encourage him to shift in that direction.
Marshall's problems last year were his extremely low YPC and lack of touchdowns. That's what we should be discussing Orton's affect on, not receptions that he was already getting.
Personally, I just don't think Miami is going to provide those for him. It's just not the offense they run. People can talk about them "wanting to open it up more" all they want, but we hear nonsense like that a dozen times every offseason that never amounts to even so much as an effort to do what they were claiming. New OC this year so there's some hope on that front, but he hasn't exactly shown a knack for the downfield passing and I highly doubt Sporano is going to encourage him to shift in that direction.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Sometimes people post things off the cuff. I don't thnk that was an official Jason Wood "Projection 2011" type post...'mcintyre1 said:
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Coach Sporano is frightened to death of turnovers. If you want to scare him, show up at his door on Halloween dressed as a turnover. Orton is Pennington with a neckbeard. He's perfect for this regime although I don't think he is anything close to top10 material. Still he would be the best Miami has had at QB since Jay Fiedler.
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