Rooting for your stud when your game is already won. (1 Viewer)

[comfortably numb]

Lets say, your up 40 going into Monday night.

Your opponent is done with his players, you have won the game.

You still have LT to go.

Scoring in your league will only effect tie breakers.

Are you rooting for him to have a STUD like game, or to dud out.

I normaly would want a dud game.

I would figure, STUDS have a handfull of crap games, and would want that crap game to go down when I already won my game.

What would you root for?

 

[sheerterror]

If my league is awarding a prize for most points, of course I want him to blow up every week.

 

[comfortably numb]

If my league is awarding a prize for most points, of course I want him to blow up every week.

NaturallyLets just say that all the points can do is break a tie breaker, if needed

 

[Limp Ditka]

Everything in fantasy football is about value. Why would I ever want any of my players value to drop?

 

[SSOG]

I always root for all of my players to have ridiculously good days, even if they're on my bench. If nothing else, huge games will raise their trade value.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I always root for all of my players to have ridiculously good days, even if they're on my bench. If nothing else, huge games will raise their trade value.

Hey look, we agree!!!

 

[Kleck.]

Depends on which league I have them in.

Redraft - always root.

Survivor - of course, I'll root.

Dynasty - not as much, but this league has a performance cap and the better they do, the more it will cost me to keep them next year.

 

[Bobcat10]

You should never want a guy to dud, unless maybe he is like LT or Manning. Their value won't drop with a dud. But I would not want him to have his best game of the year. This is when you can casually watch a non-homer game and not be screaming at the tv or worried about fantasy.

 

[stevegamer]

Depends entirely on the NFL situation of the teams in question - that's where the rooting interest lies. I'd rather see a Super Bowl win than a Fantasy Bowl win, and with the fantasy game win locked up, let's help that team get to the playoffs!

 

[comfortably numb]

My logic is, you know your STUD will not give you 30pts each week. He will get shut down some weeks. So why not root for it on a week that you already have won.

Last year LT scored under 10pts 4 times.

If my game was won, I would root for him to have 15rushing yards.

Just playing the percentages.

 

[comfortably numb]

Depends entirely on the NFL situation of the teams in question - that's where the rooting interest lies. I'd rather see a Super Bowl win than a Fantasy Bowl win, and with the fantasy game win locked up, let's help that team get to the playoffs!

You lost me at, D

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Depends entirely on the NFL situation of the teams in question - that's where the rooting interest lies. I'd rather see a Super Bowl win than a Fantasy Bowl win, and with the fantasy game win locked up, let's help that team get to the playoffs!

You lost me at, D

 

[Sputnikv8]

Always a stud game. But above all, I root for no injury.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I always root for all of my players to have ridiculously good days, even if they're on my bench. If nothing else, huge games will raise their trade value.

Hey look, we agree!!!

And you're both right. The idea that a player has a store of 1274 yards, and the fewer he gets this week the more he'll get next week, is not correct. If anything, if you've projected him to get 1274 yards on the season and he ends up getting 200 in week one, it means your projection was off and should be revised upwards for future games. If he only got 4 yards, it doesn't mean he'll make up for it later. It probably means your projection was off and should be revised downwards for future games.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

My logic is, you know your STUD will not give you 30pts each week. He will get shut down some weeks. So why not root for it on a week that you already have won.

Getting shut down in Week N doesn't make getting shut down in Week N+M less likely. If anything, it makes it more likely since NFL teams now have a blueprint, in the form of game film, for how to shut him down.

 

[comfortably numb]

My logic is, you know your STUD will not give you 30pts each week. He will get shut down some weeks. So why not root for it on a week that you already have won.

Getting shut down in Week N doesn't make getting shut down in Week N+M less likely. If anything, it makes it more likely since NFL teams now have a blueprint, in the form of game film, for how to shut him down.

He doesn't have to get shut down per seBut lets say Chargers are up a quick 21-0 in the 1st qtr, and the HC just doesn't use LT as much and he ends up with 8 pts on the day.There would not be a blue print to shutting down LT in that case, and I am not sure you would need to adjust his projections based on the fact that it wasn't poor play or an injury that caused LT to net 8 pts on the day.I subscribe to the fact that I know a STUD will have his off days for whatever reason.I can count on that, and I would root for him to have and off day when my game has been won already, hoping that is one of his 4-5 off games for the year.

 

[Ears]

And you're both right. The idea that a player has a store of 1274 yards, and the fewer he gets this week the more he'll get next week, is not correct. If anything, if you've projected him to get 1274 yards on the season and he ends up getting 200 in week one, it means your projection was off and should be revised upwards for future games. If he only got 4 yards, it doesn't mean he'll make up for it later. It probably means your projection was off and should be revised downwards for future games.

MT, wouldn't your going forward projection depend on the game-to-game variance in the player's original projection? If your projection assumed that he got between 70 & 90 ypg, then I'd agree - revise the projection downward. But if he was projected between 20 & 140 ypg, I'd be more inclined to dismiss this game as part of the player's normal, highly variable output, and not revise my future outlook.

 

[Sheriff66]

It doesn't make a difference in real terms, your players are going to do what they do, but if I have it locked up, I'll think to myself "save it for next week when I might need it!"...

Superstition thang....

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

MT, wouldn't your going forward projection depend on the game-to-game variance in the player's original projection?

Yes, in accordance with Bayes' Theorem.

If your projection assumed that he got between 70 & 90 ypg, then I'd agree - revise the projection downward. But if he was projected between 20 & 140 ypg, I'd be more inclined to dismiss this game as part of the player's normal, highly variable output, and not revise my future outlook.

You wouldn't dismiss it, but it would have a lesser effect on future projections in the second case than in the first.

 

[comfortably numb]

It doesn't make a difference in real terms, your players are going to do what they do, but if I have it locked up, I'll think to myself "save it for next week when I might need it!"...Superstition thang....

Thats where I stand.Much like the guy who owns Chad Johnson.If he is 3-0, so far I am guessing he is saying at least these crap games are coming when I didn't need him to blowup.Because WHEN he does blowup, I may need it then more than ever.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I subscribe to the fact that I know a STUD will have his off days for whatever reason.

Everyone has off days, but they are not fixed in number. I might expect Tomlinson to have three off days this season. If he has an off day in the first week, I'll have to revise that number up to at least 3.9 or so.

 

[shamrock84]

GB Maurile making sense in this thread when no one else is.

 

[Sheriff66]

GB Maurile making sense in this thread when no one else is.

I gave it in layman's terms above, MT just used at that fancy theory and math stuff...

 

[Limp Ditka]

GB Maurile making sense in this thread when no one else is.

He's agreeing with some people, so I'm going to have to lump you in with the no one else group when it comes to making sense.

 

[SSOG]

My logic is, you know your STUD will not give you 30pts each week. He will get shut down some weeks. So why not root for it on a week that you already have won.Last year LT scored under 10pts 4 times.If my game was won, I would root for him to have 15rushing yards.Just playing the percentages.

Good posting. I also root for coins to come up tails 5 times in a row so that, when I really need it, it'll be that much more likely to come up heads on the next flip. A quick question... if every week of the season from week 1 to week 15, Tomlinson went off for 150 yards and a score (no variance, every week he got 150/1)... would you bench him in the fantasy superbowl because he's due for a bad game?

 

[AngryGorilla]

I think that if you're involved in this forum in any way, then we root for all games...because we all take part in a degenerative hobby

 

[Jackal King]

I'm with Comfy here...although I know the reasons are steeped in flawed logic.

Anyone who's played baseball understands the concept of a good hitter being 'due'. When Pujols has gone hitless in his first several at bats, I'm taking a step or two back when he's back at the plate.

Similarly...if my stud has had an off game....I expect his odds of returning to form in the next game are increased.

Then again...I'm just as apt to think my stud had an off day because I didn't have my lucky hat on.

 

[comfortably numb]

My logic is, you know your STUD will not give you 30pts each week. He will get shut down some weeks. So why not root for it on a week that you already have won.Last year LT scored under 10pts 4 times.If my game was won, I would root for him to have 15rushing yards.Just playing the percentages.

Good posting. I also root for coins to come up tails 5 times in a row so that, when I really need it, it'll be that much more likely to come up heads on the next flip. A quick question... if every week of the season from week 1 to week 15, Tomlinson went off for 150 yards and a score (no variance, every week he got 150/1)... would you bench him in the fantasy superbowl because he's due for a bad game?

No I wouldn'tI didn't ask this question to determine whether or not you start or sit someone.I guess when you blow out an opponent and your 2 backs give you a dud.There isn't a small part of you that says "at least it was when I didn't need it"There is a part of me that does.Maybe it is superstision

 

[-OZ-]

You should never want a guy to dud, unless maybe he is like LT or Manning. Their value won't drop with a dud. But I would not want him to have his best game of the year. This is when you can casually watch a non-homer game and not be screaming at the tv or worried about fantasy.

Why would I care about LT's value, as I wouldn't trade him anyway?I'd prefer if they played a little, the team got up and he rested. Other than that, play on playa.

 

[jurb26]

I like to score as many points as possible. even if it is just for a "fear" factor.

 

[Interception_Irwin]

This is a great question, and really gives an insight into who "gets it" and who doesn't. The thing about pretty much all fantasy leagues, regardless of sport, is that things generally even out in the end. So therefore, if you have already won your game for the week, you should hope for a poor game from your active player. A good game will not benefit you, so you should hope to get one of the stinkers out of the way while it doesn't count.

This ties into the buy low and sell high philosophy. All players go through ups and downs. A good manager will use this to his/her advantage.

This exact situation happened to me last week. I had won my game by like 45 points and still had Vick left to go. I was quite pleased to see a poor performance by Vick. That means the odds are that he will be better the next week.

 

[SSOG]

This is a great question, and really gives an insight into who "gets it" and who doesn't. The thing about pretty much all fantasy leagues, regardless of sport, is that things generally even out in the end. So therefore, if you have already won your game for the week, you should hope for a poor game from your active player. A good game will not benefit you, so you should hope to get one of the stinkers out of the way while it doesn't count. This ties into the buy low and sell high philosophy. All players go through ups and downs. A good manager will use this to his/her advantage.This exact situation happened to me last week. I had won my game by like 45 points and still had Vick left to go. I was quite pleased to see a poor performance by Vick. That means the odds are that he will be better the next week.

I agree that this thread demonstrates who "gets it" and who doesn't. I disagree that you're on the side of the fence that "gets it". Like I said, if Tomlinson has 15 straight weeks with 150/1, are you going to sit him because he's incredibly likely to have a bad game in the 16th week? And if a coin comes up heads 50 times in a row, are you going to bet your entire house on Tails because it's due?

 

[Mungo Burrows]

It often depends on whether I have that player or I am facing that player in another league. (We need a Smiley sitting on a fence.)

 

[stevegamer]

Depends entirely on the NFL situation of the teams in question - that's where the rooting interest lies. I'd rather see a Super Bowl win than a Fantasy Bowl win, and with the fantasy game win locked up, let's help that team get to the playoffs!

You lost me at, D

Really? So you're not a fan of ANY NFL team? Once my fantasy game is in the bag, all I care about fantasy-wise is that the guys on my team don't get hurt.However, if my player is playing agaisnt one of the teams I root for, I want him to do poorly, so my preferred NFL team will win. If he's playing for my prefeered team, or agaisnt a rival (whether hated or for a playoff spot) I want him to do well.

 

[bostonfred]

I think both camps are off here. It's not a matter of a player only having so many "good" games in him for the course of the season. Nor is a good game simply a matter of random chance, like a coinflip. There are a lot of factors that have to come together for a good player to have a good game. When my game is already won, I root for the combination that will lead to the most future good games. One of them, of course, is for my player not to get injured. But I also hope that they don't use a trick play with my player, because I know Tomlinson will only attempt so many halfback passes in a season. And that teams don't figure out a new way to slow him down. And if there's a selfish player on the team, I hope they feed him so he doesn't start calling for the ball next week. Those are the kinds of things you should be rooting for.

 

[The Noid]

I hope for a blow-out game where he gets the second half off and is healthy the next week. If it's because his team and him have had a stinker of a game or because his team is up by 40 because he's got 150+ and 3 TDs, doesn't matter.

 

[GregR_2]

I like to score as many points as possible. even if it is just for a "fear" factor.

Well said. I subjected my fantasy team to two-a-days in one league because I had a shot at tripling my opponent's score and my guys let up at the end.I want to be that team that other owners figure they will lose against anyway. So when it comes to balancing a move that will help them in this game, but maybe hurt them in future games, they choose for the latter and give me an easier time of it.

 

[comfortably numb]

Depends entirely on the NFL situation of the teams in question - that's where the rooting interest lies. I'd rather see a Super Bowl win than a Fantasy Bowl win, and with the fantasy game win locked up, let's help that team get to the playoffs!

You lost me at, D

Really? So you're not a fan of ANY NFL team? Once my fantasy game is in the bag, all I care about fantasy-wise is that the guys on my team don't get hurt.However, if my player is playing agaisnt one of the teams I root for, I want him to do poorly, so my preferred NFL team will win. If he's playing for my prefeered team, or agaisnt a rival (whether hated or for a playoff spot) I want him to do well.

I am, but I was asking an entierly fantasy football question, and you responded with "depends on the NFL situation".

 

[comfortably numb]

I think both camps are off here. It's not a matter of a player only having so many "good" games in him for the course of the season. Nor is a good game simply a matter of random chance, like a coinflip. There are a lot of factors that have to come together for a good player to have a good game. When my game is already won, I root for the combination that will lead to the most future good games. One of them, of course, is for my player not to get injured. But I also hope that they don't use a trick play with my player, because I know Tomlinson will only attempt so many halfback passes in a season. And that teams don't figure out a new way to slow him down. And if there's a selfish player on the team, I hope they feed him so he doesn't start calling for the ball next week. Those are the kinds of things you should be rooting for.

hmmmI may be understanding part of your post wrong, but...My theory is that LT is will dud about 2-4 games a year.So I would root for a dud, on a day that I have the game locked up.Your rooting interest in wanting LT to NOT use a trick play or half back pass, because he will only attempt so many each year sounds like my thinking that he will dud out, only so many times each year.Kinda sounds like the same theory, but just with a different circumstance.

 

[comfortably numb]

This is a great question, and really gives an insight into who "gets it" and who doesn't. The thing about pretty much all fantasy leagues, regardless of sport, is that things generally even out in the end. So therefore, if you have already won your game for the week, you should hope for a poor game from your active player. A good game will not benefit you, so you should hope to get one of the stinkers out of the way while it doesn't count. This ties into the buy low and sell high philosophy. All players go through ups and downs. A good manager will use this to his/her advantage.This exact situation happened to me last week. I had won my game by like 45 points and still had Vick left to go. I was quite pleased to see a poor performance by Vick. That means the odds are that he will be better the next week.

I don't think I "get it" or "don't get it" wither way I root for my player in this circumstance.I have been successfull with this logic.Others who are against it, or think its the wrong logic, are also successfull.Just a quirky rooting interest IMODon't matter what you root for anyway, your gonna get whats given to you.

 

[lions327]

I root for all of my players to hyave monster games, because I not only want to win my game against my opponent, I want to beat their brains out

 

[massraider]

Lets say, your up 40 going into Monday night.

Your opponent is done with his players, you have won the game.

You still have LT to go.

Scoring in your league will only effect tie breakers.

Are you rooting for him to have a STUD like game, or to dud out.

I normaly would want a dud game.

I would figure, STUDS have a handfull of crap games, and would want that crap game to go down when I already won my game.

What would you root for?

Every year, someone gets left out of the playoff party because of cumulative scores. I want all the points I can get, whenever I can get them.I also don't buy that if your guy has a crap game, you've somehow "saved" one of his stud games for another time.