Roy Halladay (1 Viewer)

[Wrigley]

Blue Jays to field offers

Let the bidding begin.

 

[Oh Yes!]

Blue Jays to field offers

Let the bidding begin.

never happen but the cubs should give marmol, wells, and marshall. and soriano if they want him.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I hope he goes to the NL.

 

[Oh Yes!]

carlos marmol, jake fox, wells, marshall.

 

[jfranco77]

How about Deolis Guerra, Kevin Mulvey, Carlos Gomez and Philip Humber ?

 

[Balco]

Not many teams have the prospects to get him, I would think. And obviously big market teams would be in the running. Wouldn't mind the Sox making an offer, Halladay is worth it, no question. And the Sox have a very good farm system.

Halladay, Lester, and becket would be a fine 1-2-3 with me!!!

 

[Apollo]

Not many teams have the prospects to get him, I would think. And obviously big market teams would be in the running. Wouldn't mind the Sox making an offer, Halladay is worth it, no question. And the Sox have a very good farm system.Halladay, Lester, and becket would be a fine 1-2-3 with me!!!

No way in hell should they trade him within the division.

 

[rascal]

Rockies have plenty of prospects to bring him back home to Colorado.

 

[awesomeness]

Not many teams have the prospects to get him, I would think. And obviously big market teams would be in the running. Wouldn't mind the Sox making an offer, Halladay is worth it, no question. And the Sox have a very good farm system.Halladay, Lester, and becket would be a fine 1-2-3 with me!!!

No way in hell should they trade him within the division.

No chance he goes to the Sox or Yankees.

 

[boubucarow]

carlos marmol, jake fox, wells, marshall.

Vitters is probably a must. Cubs prospects like Vitters, Jay Jackson, Starlin Castro, Andrew Cashner have emerged along with Wells so the Cubs might actually have a chance in a bidding war. I don't see it happening but they have a chance. And it might be needed now that Dempster has a month off from bad celebration technique.

 

[Billy Bats]

Buster Olney just reported that Halladay has a 50-50 chance of being traded by July 31st and that the Phillies are in the best position and have the best chance to trade for him. They are talking to Toronto and agressively looking for a top flight starter. He said it would take at least 3 top prospects to get it done, and it would be more than the Mets paid for Johan. He mentioned Drabek and Happ as possible players that could be involved in a potential deal. (his opinion, not rumored)

I would offer them Drabek, Carrasco, Bastardo, Donald and a couple picks. Is that enough? Unfortunately Michael Taylor might have to be involed.

 

[hooter311]

Buster Olney just reported that Halladay has a 50-50 chance of being traded by July 31st and that the Phillies are in the best position and have the best chance to trade for him. They are talking to Toronto and agressively looking for a top flight starter. He said it would take at least 3 top prospects to get it done, and it would be more than the Mets paid for Johan. He mentioned Drabek and Happ as possible players that could be involved in a potential deal. (his opinion, not rumored)I would offer them Drabek, Carrasco, Bastardo, Donald and a couple picks. Is that enough? Unfortunately Michael Taylor might have to be involed.

Even for a guy like Halladay, that is just too much to give up for one player.

 

[sho nuff]

Buster Olney just reported that Halladay has a 50-50 chance of being traded by July 31st and that the Phillies are in the best position and have the best chance to trade for him. They are talking to Toronto and agressively looking for a top flight starter. He said it would take at least 3 top prospects to get it done, and it would be more than the Mets paid for Johan. He mentioned Drabek and Happ as possible players that could be involved in a potential deal. (his opinion, not rumored)I would offer them Drabek, Carrasco, Bastardo, Donald and a couple picks. Is that enough? Unfortunately Michael Taylor might have to be involed.

Even for a guy like Halladay, that is just too much to give up for one player.

Possibly...but a 1-2 punch of Halladay and Hamels for a few years? Just sick.

 

[Darth Cheney]

Buster Olney just reported that Halladay has a 50-50 chance of being traded by July 31st and that the Phillies are in the best position and have the best chance to trade for him. They are talking to Toronto and agressively looking for a top flight starter. He said it would take at least 3 top prospects to get it done, and it would be more than the Mets paid for Johan. He mentioned Drabek and Happ as possible players that could be involved in a potential deal. (his opinion, not rumored)I would offer them Drabek, Carrasco, Bastardo, Donald and a couple picks. Is that enough? Unfortunately Michael Taylor might have to be involed.

They could get him for less.

 

[Michael Brown]

Can't trade picks in baseball

 

[harryhood]

Sounds like Toronto wants a front line starter + SS prospect. That limits the team that could be involved but Philly and Milwaukee should be at the top of the list.

Atlanta also has some nice prospects and could be a Halladay away from contending deep into September.

I also agree Toronto should not trade him within the division however if they were crazy enough to do that, they should be calling TB. All those pitching prospects plus Tim Beckham should be able to get a deal done.

Will be interesting for sure. I would think he would DOMINATE if he gets sent to a NL team(not like he already hasn't in the AL East)

 

[strykerpks]

Sounds like Toronto wants a front line starter + SS prospect. That limits the team that could be involved but Philly and Milwaukee should be at the top of the list.

Atlanta also has some nice prospects and could be a Halladay away from contending deep into September.

I also agree Toronto should not trade him within the division however if they were crazy enough to do that, they should be calling TB. All those pitching prospects plus Tim Beckham should be able to get a deal done.

Will be interesting for sure. I would think he would DOMINATE if he gets sent to a NL team(not like he already hasn't in the AL East)

The Brewers just doesn't have any pitching to give up. Some of the radio honks around here were talking yesterday about a Corey Hart and one of Hardy/Escobar type deal for Halladay, but obviously nothing official.They were also rumored to be in talks with Atlanta about Vazquez, but Melvin shot that one down in his typical fashion.

 

[hooter311]

Sounds like Toronto wants a front line starter + SS prospect. That limits the team that could be involved but Philly and Milwaukee should be at the top of the list.

Atlanta also has some nice prospects and could be a Halladay away from contending deep into September.

I also agree Toronto should not trade him within the division however if they were crazy enough to do that, they should be calling TB. All those pitching prospects plus Tim Beckham should be able to get a deal done.

Will be interesting for sure. I would think he would DOMINATE if he gets sent to a NL team(not like he already hasn't in the AL East)

The Brewers just doesn't have any pitching to give up. Some of the radio honks around here were talking yesterday about a Corey Hart and one of Hardy/Escobar type deal for Halladay, but obviously nothing official.They were also rumored to be in talks with Atlanta about Vazquez, but Melvin shot that one down in his typical fashion.

If they would take Hart and Hardy, I would be ecstatic. I have the feeling though the Brewers organization values Escobar too much for any type of deal to be done with him involved, no matter who we would be receiving. With the Jeffress suspension, our only real pitching prospect is Manny Parra and there is no way we would sell this low on him as all the tools are there.I've pondered on how the Brewers could get a deal like this done, but I just don't see it happening, even in the best case scenario.

 

[scoobus]

Sounds like Toronto wants a front line starter + SS prospect. That limits the team that could be involved but Philly and Milwaukee should be at the top of the list.

Atlanta also has some nice prospects and could be a Halladay away from contending deep into September.

I also agree Toronto should not trade him within the division however if they were crazy enough to do that, they should be calling TB. All those pitching prospects plus Tim Beckham should be able to get a deal done.

Will be interesting for sure. I would think he would DOMINATE if he gets sent to a NL team(not like he already hasn't in the AL East)

The Brewers just doesn't have any pitching to give up. Some of the radio honks around here were talking yesterday about a Corey Hart and one of Hardy/Escobar type deal for Halladay, but obviously nothing official.They were also rumored to be in talks with Atlanta about Vazquez, but Melvin shot that one down in his typical fashion.

If they would take Hart and Hardy, I would be ecstatic. I have the feeling though the Brewers organization values Escobar too much for any type of deal to be done with him involved, no matter who we would be receiving. With the Jeffress suspension, our only real pitching prospect is Manny Parra and there is no way we would sell this low on him as all the tools are there.I've pondered on how the Brewers could get a deal like this done, but I just don't see it happening, even in the best case scenario.

I'd have to imagine Toronto would laugh at a Hardy/Hart offer

 

[Darth Cheney]

Philly: Donald, Drabek or Carasco, Brown or Taylor....and one more low level prospect.

 

[Billy Bats]

Buster Olney just reported that Halladay has a 50-50 chance of being traded by July 31st and that the Phillies are in the best position and have the best chance to trade for him. They are talking to Toronto and agressively looking for a top flight starter. He said it would take at least 3 top prospects to get it done, and it would be more than the Mets paid for Johan. He mentioned Drabek and Happ as possible players that could be involved in a potential deal. (his opinion, not rumored)I would offer them Drabek, Carrasco, Bastardo, Donald and a couple picks. Is that enough? Unfortunately Michael Taylor might have to be involed.

Even for a guy like Halladay, that is just too much to give up for one player.

Possibly...but a 1-2 punch of Halladay and Hamels for a few years? Just sick.

With the state of our starting pitchers, I think we should make that deal immediately. Halladay then Hamels makes you instant favorite to win the NL.

Can't trade picks in baseball

I never realized that, why is that rule in place?

Philly: Donald, Drabek or Carasco, Brown or Taylor....and one more low level prospect.

How about Drabek, Savory, Donald and an A ball kid? Enough?

 

[Balco]

Sounds like Toronto wants a front line starter + SS prospect. That limits the team that could be involved but Philly and Milwaukee should be at the top of the list.

Atlanta also has some nice prospects and could be a Halladay away from contending deep into September.

I also agree Toronto should not trade him within the division however if they were crazy enough to do that, they should be calling TB. All those pitching prospects plus Tim Beckham should be able to get a deal done.

Will be interesting for sure. I would think he would DOMINATE if he gets sent to a NL team(not like he already hasn't in the AL East)

The Brewers just doesn't have any pitching to give up. Some of the radio honks around here were talking yesterday about a Corey Hart and one of Hardy/Escobar type deal for Halladay, but obviously nothing official.They were also rumored to be in talks with Atlanta about Vazquez, but Melvin shot that one down in his typical fashion.

If they would take Hart and Hardy, I would be ecstatic. I have the feeling though the Brewers organization values Escobar too much for any type of deal to be done with him involved, no matter who we would be receiving. With the Jeffress suspension, our only real pitching prospect is Manny Parra and there is no way we would sell this low on him as all the tools are there.I've pondered on how the Brewers could get a deal like this done, but I just don't see it happening, even in the best case scenario.

I'd have to imagine Toronto would laugh at a Hardy/Hart offer

I think Toronto wants to shed salary and get big time prospects that will be under their control for a while. Hardy and Hart do not fit the bill. Escobar does, and would be a good start. Red Sox have plenty of prospects. Lawrie, Bowden, Bucholtz, Anderson. Plenty of players. And if I were the Toronto GM my main concern would be getting the best return for Halladay. Not trading in the division is foolish.

 

[Darth Cheney]

How about Drabek, Savory, Donald and an A ball kid? Enough?

I think that's a pretty close trade....especially considering how I can't see The Jays trading Halladay to either Boston or NY. Without those usual suspects to drive up the price....a team might be able to sneak in more of a low ball trade.I'd rather give up Carrasco and one of the OF than Drabek and Savery. I think Drabek has a bigger upside than Carrasco. Donald..... I'd have no problem let go. He's not going anywhere with the Phils.I don't know about Marson. I think Chooch is the Phillies catcher for a couple of more years....but Marson should be in the Bigs next year in a backup role.

 

[rascal]

Apparently Toronto GM JP Riccardi is going to try to make a trade that saves his job, in other words a steal. Reportedly JP would want a deal that starts with rockie players Stewart, Jimenez and Friedrich and another unidentified player.

Forget that.

 

[hooter311]

Sounds like Toronto wants a front line starter + SS prospect. That limits the team that could be involved but Philly and Milwaukee should be at the top of the list.

Atlanta also has some nice prospects and could be a Halladay away from contending deep into September.

I also agree Toronto should not trade him within the division however if they were crazy enough to do that, they should be calling TB. All those pitching prospects plus Tim Beckham should be able to get a deal done.

Will be interesting for sure. I would think he would DOMINATE if he gets sent to a NL team(not like he already hasn't in the AL East)

The Brewers just doesn't have any pitching to give up. Some of the radio honks around here were talking yesterday about a Corey Hart and one of Hardy/Escobar type deal for Halladay, but obviously nothing official.They were also rumored to be in talks with Atlanta about Vazquez, but Melvin shot that one down in his typical fashion.

If they would take Hart and Hardy, I would be ecstatic. I have the feeling though the Brewers organization values Escobar too much for any type of deal to be done with him involved, no matter who we would be receiving. With the Jeffress suspension, our only real pitching prospect is Manny Parra and there is no way we would sell this low on him as all the tools are there.I've pondered on how the Brewers could get a deal like this done, but I just don't see it happening, even in the best case scenario.

I'd have to imagine Toronto would laugh at a Hardy/Hart offer

Well, yeah, that was kind of my point.

 

[strykerpks]

Well, yeah, that was kind of my point.

Mine as well...I'm not saying it was a good trade, but the doofuses around these parts seem to think so. You should have seen/heard the "We should package Hall, Suppan and <insert minor leaguer here> for Pitcher A" debates back in the offseason

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Halladay is 32 with a pretty rich history of injuries. Are they serious about Johan type money here? Really?

 

[Finless]

Halladay is 32 with a pretty rich history of injuries. Are they serious about Johan type money here? Really?

He's baseball's best pitcher and will pitch effectively for another 8 years. The guy is dominant.

 

[shut it down]

Cardinals seem interested. From Joe Strauss' Twitter:

Asked about the price tag for Halladay, a club source said: "Give Ricciardi all our minor-league rosters and let him circle any 5 names."

 

[shut it down]

Roy Halladay's Trade Valueby Dave Cameron - 7/8/2009 - Comments (38)Yesterday, Toronto GM J.P. Ricciardi created quite the stir when he told several reporters that he was going to start listening to offers for Blue Jays ace Roy Halladay. He talked with Halladay about potentially waiving his no-trade clause, and both have made public statements about this possibly being the right time for a deal. Certainly, Ricciardi knows how heavy the demand is for starting pitching right now, and with the lack of availability of premium arms, the bidding for Halladay could get fierce. That is what J.P. is counting on, I'm sure. So, if you're a contending team in need of a starting pitcher, and the best pitcher in the game just became available, how much should you offer? What is Roy Halladay worth?First off, the basics. Halladay is under contract through 2010. He will make about $7 million over the remainder of 2009, and is due $15.75 million next year. He will then be eligible for free agency. We know he's worth more than his current salary, of course. $23 million for nine months of Roy Halladay is a pretty big bargain, even in today's economic market. To figure out Halladay's market value, we have to answer the question of what Halladay would get if he were declared a free agent tomorrow, but then only allowed to sign a deal taking him through 2010. First off, let's look at Halladay's win values over the years. Since 2002, he's been worth about 46 wins in 1,585 innings, or right around an average of six wins per year. He's on pace for about a seven win season this year, and he shows no signs of slowing down. Going forward, ZIPS projects a 3.21 FIP and 106 innings in his remaining 15 starts this year, which would be worth another 3.5 wins. Halladay is a +6 to +7 win pitcher, easily the best in baseball. The market value for wins took a tumble on the low end last year, but at the high end, teams were still willing to pay around $5 million per win for premium free agents. Based on that, we'd say that Halladay's fair market value is something like $30 to $35 million per season. However, those $5 million per win contracts were all long term deals, which carry extra risk to the organization and therefore pull down the annual average value that teams are willing to pay. With only a 15 month commitment, the long term risk with Halladay is substantially lower, and teams should (and will) pay a premium for that risk avoidance. So, for a Cy Young contender only under contract through 2010, $5.5 million per win is probably a more accurate number to use. That puts Halladay's market value between $33 and $38 million per year. If we settle on $35 million as a middle ground, which puts him around a +6.5 win pitcher, we then Halladay's value through the end of his current contract is about $52 million - a full year of 2010 plus a half year of 2009. But, you can't forget about the fact that he's very likely to be a Type A free agent at the end of 2010, and the acquiring team would be able to recoup two quality draft choices if they didn't re-sign him as a free agent. Thanks to some good work by Victor Wang, we can see that the value of Halladay's Type A status is around $8 million or so. $52 million for Halladay's performance + $8 million for the draft picks = $60 million in total value. He will be paid $22 million over that time frame, so 60-22 = $38 million. To acquire the Jays ace, teams should be expected to surrender something like $40 million in value. What does $40 million in value look like? Something like three terrific prospects who are not that far from the majors. No one's giving up players from the Matt Wieters/David Price mold, but it's going to take several players from that second prospect tier, the top 25-50 type guys. Phillies fans - that's Dominic Brown, Kyle Drabek, and Carlos Carrasco. Mets fans? Fernando Martinez, Wilmer Flores, and Jenrry Mejia. You get the idea. If the Blue Jays trade Roy Halladay, they're going to ask for the moon. And they should. He's worth it.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Baseball Prospectus had an interesting scenario.

If a team were to take on Vernon Wells and his atrocious contract (from 2011-2014 he earns 20+ million a year ) then maybe they wouldn't have to empty the farm to get Halladay.

They mentioned the Mets, maybe giving up Fernando Martinez only.

 

[Wrigley]

Well, yeah, that was kind of my point.

Mine as well...I'm not saying it was a good trade, but the doofuses around these parts seem to think so. You should have seen/heard the "We should package Hall, Suppan and <insert minor leaguer here> for Pitcher A" debates back in the offseason

I blame the CHEESE

 

[igbomb]

Sounds like Toronto wants a front line starter + SS prospect. That limits the team that could be involved but Philly and Milwaukee should be at the top of the list.

The Tigers should offer Rick Porcello and Cale Iorg. Porcello is the most accomplished pitching prospect that Toronto could get in a trade for Halladay. And as a Tigers fan, I'd do it in a second.

 

[iSnitch]

Baseball Prospectus had an interesting scenario.

If a team were to take on Vernon Wells and his atrocious contract (from 2011-2014 he earns 20+ million a year ) then maybe they wouldn't have to empty the farm to get Halladay.

They mentioned the Mets, maybe giving up Fernando Martinez only.

If wanting to dump Wells' salary is a factor, I cannot see how the BoSox and Yankees would NOT be potential trade partners. Who cares if it's in your division if it's the best deal you can net.

 

[jobarules]

Baseball Prospectus had an interesting scenario.

If a team were to take on Vernon Wells and his atrocious contract (from 2011-2014 he earns 20+ million a year ) then maybe they wouldn't have to empty the farm to get Halladay.

They mentioned the Mets, maybe giving up Fernando Martinez only.

If wanting to dump Wells' salary is a factor, I cannot see how the BoSox and Yankees would NOT be potential trade partners. Who cares if it's in your division if it's the best deal you can net.

And Wells still plays phenomenal defense

 

[Nigel]

Halladay is 32 with a pretty rich history of injuries. Are they serious about Johan type money here? Really?

He's baseball's best pitcher and will pitch effectively for another 8 years. The guy is dominant.

I'd take him over Johan for the next 6 years in a second. The guy has averaged 200+ innings over the past 7 years - seems pretty durable to me. Missed some time in 04 and 05 but 30+ starts the three years since, and put him on a pitching staff where you're not depending on him to go 8 every time out because the bullpen is shot from four crappy starts in a row previously.

 

[ditka...mike ditka]

Why dont the white sox make a run? The did at Peavy, granted he was younger.

 

[gump]

I'm watching him right now...what a horse. 105 pitches thru 6, 20-minute power outage delay. And there was no question he was coming out for the 7th.

And he just hit 96 on the gun.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Halladay is 32 with a pretty rich history of injuries. Are they serious about Johan type money here? Really?

He's baseball's best pitcher and will pitch effectively for another 8 years. The guy is dominant.

I'd take him over Johan for the next 6 years in a second. The guy has averaged 200+ innings over the past 7 years - seems pretty durable to me. Missed some time in 04 and 05 but 30+ starts the three years since, and put him on a pitching staff where you're not depending on him to go 8 every time out because the bullpen is shot from four crappy starts in a row previously.

Fin, I think you snagged one.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Baseball Prospectus had an interesting scenario.

If a team were to take on Vernon Wells and his atrocious contract (from 2011-2014 he earns 20+ million a year ) then maybe they wouldn't have to empty the farm to get Halladay.

They mentioned the Mets, maybe giving up Fernando Martinez only.

If the Mets had the ability to take on that kind of money, they would have signed Manny.

 

[gump]

I'm watching him right now...what a horse. 105 pitches thru 6, 20-minute power outage delay. And there was no question he was coming out for the 7th.And he just hit 96 on the gun.

The more I think about this, the more it seems like bringing him back out was a move that a team would make who wasn't real concerned about the pitchers future.

 

[hooter311]

I'm watching him right now...what a horse. 105 pitches thru 6, 20-minute power outage delay. And there was no question he was coming out for the 7th.And he just hit 96 on the gun.

The more I think about this, the more it seems like bringing him back out was a move that a team would make who wasn't real concerned about the pitchers future.

08 Brewers CC StyleYou don't bring your ace back out after a delay, no matter what kind of rubber arm her has.

 

[Wrigley]

Why dont the white sox make a run? The did at Peavy, granted he was younger.

Peavy didn't want to waive his no trade to play with the sux, what makes you think Hally would?

 

[hooter311]

Why dont the white sox make a run? The did at Peavy, granted he was younger.

Peavy didn't want to waive his no trade to play with the sux, what makes you think Hally would?

Because he is a free agent after next year if he doesn't feel like signing a long term deal with the CWS.Peavy's contract was till 2012 with a club option after that.

 

[Oh Yes!]

Why dont the white sox make a run? The did at Peavy, granted he was younger.

Peavy didn't want to waive his no trade to play with the sux, what makes you think Hally would?

because hes not a pansy and wouldnt mind staying in the AL

 

[dparker713]

Baseball Prospectus had an interesting scenario.

If a team were to take on Vernon Wells and his atrocious contract (from 2011-2014 he earns 20+ million a year ) then maybe they wouldn't have to empty the farm to get Halladay.

They mentioned the Mets, maybe giving up Fernando Martinez only.

If the Mets had the ability to take on that kind of money, they would have signed Manny.

I doubt you could convince even the Yankees to take on Wells' contract. But Rios has a bad, but not Zito-esk, contract that the Mets could stomach to reduce the price. Plus Rios can atleast field decently, unlike Wells. A deal with Pelfrey and Martinez while taking on Rios may be in the ballpark.

 

[awesomeness]

Baseball Prospectus had an interesting scenario.

If a team were to take on Vernon Wells and his atrocious contract (from 2011-2014 he earns 20+ million a year ) then maybe they wouldn't have to empty the farm to get Halladay.

They mentioned the Mets, maybe giving up Fernando Martinez only.

If wanting to dump Wells' salary is a factor, I cannot see how the BoSox and Yankees would NOT be potential trade partners. Who cares if it's in your division if it's the best deal you can net.

No.

 

[shut it down]

I think it's a mistake to not at least include the Yankees and Boston in talks. They could help potentially drive up the price, and Toronto's essentially conceding this year and next anyway.

 

[Tiger Fan]

TRADE THIS MOFO TO AN NL TEAM

 

[Seymour Corn]

Baseball Prospectus had an interesting scenario.

If a team were to take on Vernon Wells and his atrocious contract (from 2011-2014 he earns 20+ million a year ) then maybe they wouldn't have to empty the farm to get Halladay.

They mentioned the Mets, maybe giving up Fernando Martinez only.

If the Mets had the ability to take on that kind of money, they would have signed Manny.

I doubt you could convince even the Yankees to take on Wells' contract. But Rios has a bad, but not Zito-esk, contract that the Mets could stomach to reduce the price. Plus Rios can atleast field decently, unlike Wells. A deal with Pelfrey and Martinez while taking on Rios may be in the ballpark.

They're both pathetic on the bats, but Wells is superior to Rios in the field.I watch a lot of Jays games.