Rules Issue..need advice (1 Viewer)

[atcdav]

Here is our rules: Over written and written 12 years ago. before Thursday games

Each team is responsible for submitting the correct lineup with the correct number of players in the right positions. Since the current website we are using for the league may allow an illegal lineup (it warns you but does not prevent it) it is each team’s responsibility to submit a legal lineup. However, in the event an illegal lineup is received the following describes the rules for determining the legal lineup for a team.For any position or positions where more players are activated than is allowed the league will remove the players required in order to make the lineup legal. The highest scoring player(s) will be removed. The only exception will be if one of the active players is a player on bye week. For a bye week player, we will assume that the player was accidentally left in the lineup and the player will be removed from the active lineup. The sequence of removal will be as follows; 1) Remove bye week players and 2) Remove highest scoring player in the position(s) that is illegal. In no event will a player be allowed to be removed other reason than for bye week reasons. This includes injuries and coach’s decision not to play a player. Two examples are provided to demonstrate the procedure:

So basically, if you start a player on a bye and have bench players available, it is assumed you forget and the lowest scoring bench is inserted. This is to keep things competitive. However, Only one game has played and this team owner can still go to WW and grab a QB, does not have to(hopefully he will). So do I insert Freeman, his only bench player?

 

[Black]

Here is our rules: Over written and written 12 years ago. before Thursday games

Each team is responsible for submitting the correct lineup with the correct number of players in the right positions. Since the current website we are using for the league may allow an illegal lineup (it warns you but does not prevent it) it is each team’s responsibility to submit a legal lineup. However, in the event an illegal lineup is received the following describes the rules for determining the legal lineup for a team.For any position or positions where more players are activated than is allowed the league will remove the players required in order to make the lineup legal. The highest scoring player(s) will be removed. The only exception will be if one of the active players is a player on bye week. For a bye week player, we will assume that the player was accidentally left in the lineup and the player will be removed from the active lineup. The sequence of removal will be as follows; 1) Remove bye week players and 2) Remove highest scoring player in the position(s) that is illegal. In no event will a player be allowed to be removed other reason than for bye week reasons. This includes injuries and coach’s decision not to play a player. Two examples are provided to demonstrate the procedure:

So basically, if you start a player on a bye and have bench players available, it is assumed you forget and the lowest scoring bench is inserted. This is to keep things competitive. However, Only one game has played and this team owner can still go to WW and grab a QB, does not have to(hopefully he will). So do I insert Freeman, his only bench player?

you do if he doesn't get another QB...which he would be smart to avoid.

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

I'm confused here. Is the lineup illegal or did the guy just leave in a bye week starter by mistake? If his lineup is legal but has a bye week player inserted, I don't see how that rule would apply.

 

[solorca]

It's kind of a dumb rule, because you're benefiting someone who was too lazy to submit a proper lineup, but the way it's written you have no choice but to make the change.

 

[Pantherz]

Did he in fact have an illegal lineup, or did he just have a bye week player still in his line-up? The way I read it you only replace players if the website allowed him to have too many players(an illegal line-up).

 

[FootballGuy22]

According to how I read the rule the bye week replacement only comes into play if an illegal lineup was started but your wording says something different.

 

[solorca]

According to how I read the rule the bye week replacement only comes into play if an illegal lineup was started but your wording says something different.

Yeah, after reading it a little closer, that's how I see it too. This guy started a bye week player, he should get the 0 for Flacco.

 

[Hoosier16]

I'm confused here. Is the lineup illegal or did the guy just leave in a bye week starter by mistake? If his lineup is legal but has a bye week player inserted, I don't see how that rule would apply.

I agree here. The rule looks like it applies when more than the legal number of players are started (which I don't know how that's possible). It doesn't spell out the procedure for starting a legal number of players that includes a bye week player. I think you do nothing.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Each team is responsible for submitting the correct lineup with the correct number of players in the right positions. Since the current website we are using for the league may allow an illegal lineup (it warns you but does not prevent it) it is each team’s responsibility to submit a legal lineup. However, in the event an illegal lineup is received the following describes the rules for determining the legal lineup for a team.

For any position or positions where more players are activated than is allowed the league will remove the players required in order to make the lineup legal. The highest scoring player(s) will be removed. The only exception will be if one of the active players is a player on bye week. For a bye week player, we will assume that the player was accidentally left in the lineup and the player will be removed from the active lineup. The sequence of removal will be as follows; 1) Remove bye week players and 2) Remove highest scoring player in the position(s) that is illegal. In no event will a player be allowed to be removed other reason than for bye week reasons. This includes injuries and coach’s decision not to play a player. Two examples are provided to demonstrate the procedure:

Asked and answered.

 

[FootballGuy22]

Each team is responsible for submitting the correct lineup with the correct number of players in the right positions. Since the current website we are using for the league may allow an illegal lineup (it warns you but does not prevent it) it is each team’s responsibility to submit a legal lineup. However, in the event an illegal lineup is received the following describes the rules for determining the legal lineup for a team.

For any position or positions where more players are activated than is allowed the league will remove the players required in order to make the lineup legal. The highest scoring player(s) will be removed. The only exception will be if one of the active players is a player on bye week. For a bye week player, we will assume that the player was accidentally left in the lineup and the player will be removed from the active lineup. The sequence of removal will be as follows; 1) Remove bye week players and 2) Remove highest scoring player in the position(s) that is illegal. In no event will a player be allowed to be removed other reason than for bye week reasons. This includes injuries and coach’s decision not to play a player. Two examples are provided to demonstrate the procedure:

Asked and answered.

Forgot to highlight this which changes things IMO

 

[GregR]

As others have said, it looks like this rule deals only with illegal lineups where more players were started at a position than are allowed. And all it addresses is the order in which players from the submitted lineup get REMOVED in order to make it a legal lineup. My league has the same type of rule as our flex set up is too complex for the website to properly restrict all illegal lineups.

No where does it speak of inserting players back into a lineup. So the only way the rule would be applied is if the owner's submitted lineup had more QBs than are allowed. If it did then Flacco gets removed and now the lineup has the correct number of players. If the lineup already had the right number of QBs including Flacco, the lineup stands with Flacco in it. Assuming you can't still change players whose game hasn't started, anyway. Why anyone wouldn't want to allow the latter in their league I wouldn't understand. Though you couldn't sub Freeman in since his game already started.

 

[ImTheScientist]

It's kind of a dumb rule, because you're benefiting someone who was too lazy to submit a proper lineup, but the way it's written you have no choice but to make the change.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

As others have said, it looks like this rule deals only with illegal lineups where more players were started at a position than are allowed. And all it addresses is the order in which players from the submitted lineup get REMOVED in order to make it a legal lineup. My league has the same type of rule as our flex set up is too complex for the website to properly restrict all illegal lineups.No where does it speak of inserting players back into a lineup. So the only way the rule would be applied is if the owner's submitted lineup had more QBs than are allowed. If it did then Flacco gets removed and now the lineup has the correct number of players. If the lineup already had the right number of QBs including Flacco, the lineup stands with Flacco in it. Assuming you can't still change players whose game hasn't started, anyway. Why anyone wouldn't want to allow the latter in their league I wouldn't understand. Though you couldn't sub Freeman in since his game already started.

Agreed, he can still pick p a fa an play them, but this rule doesn't require you to retroactively start a benched player.

 

[The_Wolfman]

There's no way you can retroactively insert Freeman because that sets a terrible precedent. What will stop other teams in the future from doing the same thing? If I had a guy on Thursday I was unsure about and another guy at the same position on the bye, I'd definitely just leave the bye week player in to see how things go, then I can decide later if I want the Thursday night guy's score or a WW replacement.

Very dangerous precedent to set IMO. Leave Flacco or remind the guy to hit the WW, but DONT give him Freeman.

 

[BaBastage]

For any position or positions where more players are activated than is allowed the league will remove the players required in order to make the lineup legal. The highest scoring player(s) will be removed. The only exception will be if one of the active players is a player on bye week. For a bye week player, we will assume that the player was accidentally left in the lineup and the player will be removed from the active lineup. The sequence of removal will be as follows; 1) Remove bye week players and 2) Remove highest scoring player in the position(s) that is illegal. In no event will a player be allowed to be removed other reason than for bye week reasons. This includes injuries and coach’s decision not to play a player. Two examples are provided to demonstrate the procedure:

The rule, as written, doesn't pertain to a player left on bye accidentally. It specifies what happens if an illegal lineup is submitted AND one of those players is on bye. And then, the rule governs what player will be removed. There's nothing that says another player will be substituted. So I don't think how it's possible you could substitute Freeman.Before you amend your rules (for next year), be sure to ask : 1) Are you sure you want to do this? The roster technically was legal, albeit incompetently set. 2) How will you determine what player gets activated? If you have rosters with multiple backups, how will you choose player B over player C? Total points scored on the year? What about if a player is injured (or worse, a game time decision.)?Personally, I'm not sure I'd touch it. Bye week errors = sorry. Illegal lineups = forfeit of the game. Two many of either (disrupting the competitive balance of the league) = replace the owner with someone more serious.

 

[elbowrm]

12 year old league is most likely friends - just send an email to the league a) making fun of his lazy ### and b) informing everyone that he has to pick up a QB off the WW. His option to start Freeman ended at 8:20 yesterday.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

12 year old league is most likely friends - just send an email to the league a) making fun of his lazy ### and b) informing everyone that he has to pick up a QB off the WW. His option to start Freeman ended at 8:20 yesterday.

 

[Nemesis]

12 year old league is most likely friends - just send an email to the league a) making fun of his lazy ### and b) informing everyone that he has to pick up a QB off the WW. His option to start Freeman ended at 8:20 yesterday.

If this happened in my league and I had to re-write the rulebook, I always name the new rule after the knucklehead that caused it to be written in the first place. Helps us have a good chuckle yrs down the road and instantly brings back WHY we wrote the rule. (even if the owner has left the league)