Rumor Confirmed: Josh Gordon suspended 2 games (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

With 3 drug tests failed already coming out of college, I'm not buying the cough syrup story, 2 game suspension. Next!

Pead got 1 game for marijuana arrest and Gordon gets 2 games for supposed mistakenly taking codine. It really doesn't add up.

I don't think Pead got busted for substance abuse. He got busted for some sort of personal conduct. Also, as far as I can tell Gordon did get a reduction in his penalty. The policy doesn't mention a two game suspension as an option.

Just read this on rotoworld:

>Isaiah Pead's one-game suspension stems from a July 2012 arrest for possession of two ounces of marijuana.The details of Pead's one-game ban initially went undisclosed as neither the NFL nor its players is under any obligation to explain suspensions. Coach Jeff Fisher has publicly supported Pead, who is almost a year removed from the violation and insists he's in a better place "mentally" after a lost rookie year.

If Pead got busted in 2012 why is he getting suspended in 2013? Something is also fishy w/ his case as well, bet the charges didn't hold up but the NFL saw it appond themselves to take the law into their hands again.

"This is where the law stops and I start"

 

[cstu]

Isaiah Pead's one-game suspension stems from a July 2012 arrest for possession of two ounces of marijuana.

I looked this up since 2 ounces is a lot of weed and he was actually charged with 'possession of less THAN two ounces of marijuana'.

 

[Adam Harstad]

On a side note........................why is codeine banned?? Are all pain killers banned?? I mean, isn't pretty much everyone hurt all the time with stuff that most of the general public would take some Percocet or Vikodin or something for?

Purple drank

 

[ghostguy123]

On a side note........................why is codeine banned?? Are all pain killers banned?? I mean, isn't pretty much everyone hurt all the time with stuff that most of the general public would take some Percocet or Vikodin or something for?

Purple drank

I am aware of this, but what does it have to do with pain killers being banned? When these guys have surgery they can't use pain killers???

 

[Adam Harstad]

On a side note........................why is codeine banned?? Are all pain killers banned?? I mean, isn't pretty much everyone hurt all the time with stuff that most of the general public would take some Percocet or Vikodin or something for?

Purple drank

I am aware of this, but what does it have to do with pain killers being banned? When these guys have surgery they can't use pain killers???

Not all painkillers are banned. Jene was saying that oxy and other narcotics are not on the list.

 

[Faust]

Gordon's suspension extends bad news

By Jamison Hensley | ESPN.com

The Cleveland Browns' owner is under federal investigation. Their franchise running back is sidelined with another injury. And their top wide receiver just got suspended for violating the NFL substance abuse policy.

But, wait, wide receiver Josh Gordon has an explanation for why he was suspended two games and docked an additional two game checks by the NFL.

"In February, I was diagnosed with strep throat for which a doctor prescribed antibiotics and cough medicine," Gordon said in a statement released by the team. "Apparently, the medicine I took contained codeine, which is prohibited by the NFL policy. The policy terms are strict about unintentional ingestion, but the NFL has not imposed the maximum punishment in light of the facts of my case. Therefore, I have chosen to be immediately accountable for the situation. I sincerely apologize for the impact on my team, coaches, and Browns fans. I look forward to working hard in training camp and preseason, and contributing immediately when I return in Week 3.”

Whatever Gordon's explanation is, this doesn't remove the dark cloud that has hovered over this franchise this offseason. The new regime has encountered the same old problems that have haunted the Browns since their return to the league in 1999. It's difficult to be optimistic about the upgraded pass rush and improved downfield passing game when the Browns are always in damage control.

This latest incident won't endear Gordon to the likes of CEO Joe Banner, general manager Mike Lombardi and coach Rob Chudzinski. It was the previous decision-makers who took a chance on Gordon despite his history of questionable character and immaturity. Gordon failed three marijuana tests in college, two at Baylor and a third at Utah.

Going forward, the Browns have to decide whether they can build their passing game around Gordon. There's no doubt Gordon has the physical skills to be a playmaker in the league. Quarterback Brandon Weeden said Gordon "has the ability to be a top-three receiver in the NFL."

But can the Browns trust that Gordon can stay out of trouble? This incident comes less than 11 months after the Browns spent a second-round pick on him. This mistake will cost him four game checks, a total of $148,894.

It now makes sense why the Browns traded for Davone Bess during the draft and why they have been hesitant to give a ringing endorsement of Gordon.

Three days ago, Chudzinski said he didn't know anything about rumors circulating about a Browns player being suspended. This is what Chudzinski said about Gordon after the news broke: “Obviously we are all disappointed in this news. In our short time with Josh, he has done everything that we’ve asked him to do and he has exhibited substantial improvement. We believe that he will continue to work diligently through training camp and the preseason. I am confident that others will step up in his absence.”

This is the second straight year that a Browns player has been suspended. Last season, cornerback Joe Haden was suspended four games for taking the drug Adderall. The Browns went 0-4 in his absence.

Different year, same problems for the Browns.

 

[ghostguy123]

On a side note........................why is codeine banned?? Are all pain killers banned?? I mean, isn't pretty much everyone hurt all the time with stuff that most of the general public would take some Percocet or Vikodin or something for?

Purple drank

I am aware of this, but what does it have to do with pain killers being banned? When these guys have surgery they can't use pain killers???

Not all painkillers are banned. Jene was saying that oxy and other narcotics are not on the list.

Gotcha. I guess Gordon really is an idiot. Or lying. Or both.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I don't get the attempts to connect the Bess trade to Gordon. They paid next to nothing to get Bess and brought him in to be a slot WR.

 

[ghostguy123]

I don't get the attempts to connect the Bess trade to Gordon. They paid next to nothing to get Bess and brought him in to be a slot WR.

there is no connection at all. You are right. What would Bess have to do with losing Gordon, a totally different WR.

PLus it is 2 games.

 

[Steed]

On a side note........................why is codeine banned?? Are all pain killers banned?? I mean, isn't pretty much everyone hurt all the time with stuff that most of the general public would take some Percocet or Vikodin or something for?

Purple drank

I am aware of this, but what does it have to do with pain killers being banned? When these guys have surgery they can't use pain killers???

Not all painkillers are banned. Jene was saying that oxy and other narcotics are not on the list.

Are we sure about this? Oxycodone, morphine, hydrocodone, and codeine are all opioids. Is the test sensitive enough to differentiate? I can't remember anyone getting suspended for codeine use, only the possession of it. Not even jamarcus got caught with it in his systrm and he's as dumb as they come and many knew he had a problem. Makes me think this is all spin to hide his marijuana problem.

 

[Adam Harstad]

On a side note........................why is codeine banned?? Are all pain killers banned?? I mean, isn't pretty much everyone hurt all the time with stuff that most of the general public would take some Percocet or Vikodin or something for?

Purple drank

I am aware of this, but what does it have to do with pain killers being banned? When these guys have surgery they can't use pain killers???

Not all painkillers are banned. Jene was saying that oxy and other narcotics are not on the list.

Are we sure about this? Oxycodone, morphine, hydrocodone, and codeine are all opioids. Is the test sensitive enough to differentiate? I can't remember anyone getting suspended for codeine use, only the possession of it. Not even jamarcus got caught with it in his systrm and he's as dumb as they come and many knew he had a problem. Makes me think this is all spin to hide his marijuana problem.

I'm not at all sure. I was just going off of what the good doctor said.

 

[Jene Bramel]

On a side note........................why is codeine banned?? Are all pain killers banned?? I mean, isn't pretty much everyone hurt all the time with stuff that most of the general public would take some Percocet or Vikodin or something for?

Purple drank

I am aware of this, but what does it have to do with pain killers being banned? When these guys have surgery they can't use pain killers???

Not all painkillers are banned. Jene was saying that oxy and other narcotics are not on the list.

Are we sure about this? Oxycodone, morphine, hydrocodone, and codeine are all opioids. Is the test sensitive enough to differentiate? I can't remember anyone getting suspended for codeine use, only the possession of it. Not even jamarcus got caught with it in his systrm and he's as dumb as they come and many knew he had a problem. Makes me think this is all spin to hide his marijuana problem.

I think most urine tests are non-specific, but I believe followup testing can further differentiate among the types of narcotics. I don't know which tests and how specific the NFL may be with their screens.

I'm not certain about the possession vs usage question either. My comment was just that suspension for codeine when the use of narcotics as painkillers is so frequent always makes me think, "Huh?" for a split second before I remember the purple drank connection.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Many players will claim a lesser evil when they have been caught doing something else. I remember hearing last year or the year before that the Adderal claims were often not actually for Adderal but for PEDs or other drugs, but since players can say whatever they want and the NFL can not specify or release details, we often don't get the real story. Claiming cough syrup, or Adderal for ADD or any number of benign "oopsies" is just an attempt to salvage their reputation with the fans and more importantly with other general managers for future contracts.

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Not buying it. The dude has been an out of control pothead for years. Maybe he found Jesus or the light bulb came on, but in the words of George Bush, "Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again."

 

[ShaHBucks]

He could get kicked out of the league for a year if he fails another test. I'm no fan but I hope he tackles his addictions, if he actually has one.

https://twitter.com/marykaycabot/status/343656144830599168

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

For a player to be suspended, he must have violated the policy at least one other time. That means that Gordon -- who failed three marijuana tests in college and was dismissed from Baylor and Utah -- has tested positive at least five times since October, 2010.

Gordon's positive test in February likely pushes him into Stage 3 of the program, according to league sources, where he faces banishment from the NFL for at least one calendar year if he fails another test.

A player kicked out of the league for substance abuse can apply for reinstatement after the year is up, and it's up to Commissioner Roger Goodell to decide if and when the player can return. Once a player reaches Stage 3, he remains there for the duration of his career.

One failed test in Stage 2 doesn't automatically enter a player into Stage 3, but in Gordon's case, it's believed he's that far down the road in less than one year since being taken in the supplemental draft. There are three ways in which a player immediately advances to Stage 3:

• 1. Two positive drug tests in Stage 2;

• 2. Two instances in which he fails to cooperate with his testing or treatment; or

• 3. One positive test and one instance of failure to comply with his testing or treatment program.

If Gordon is still in Stage 2 after this current episode, he'd face a six-game suspension if he fails another test. But at least one NFL source said Gordon's track record has likely landed him in the third and final phase of the program.

 

[KellysHeroes]

He could get kicked out of the league for a year if he fails another test. I'm no fan but I hope he tackles his addictions, if he actually has one.https://twitter.com/marykaycabot/status/343656144830599168

hes only on strike 1, 3 strikes is the yr ban

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Gordon's suspension extends bad news

By Jamison Hensley | ESPN.com

The Cleveland Browns' owner is under federal investigation. Their franchise running back is sidelined with another injury. And their top wide receiver just got suspended for violating the NFL substance abuse policy.

But, wait, wide receiver Josh Gordon has an explanation for why he was suspended two games and docked an additional two game checks by the NFL."In February, I was diagnosed with strep throat for which a doctor prescribed antibiotics and cough medicine," Gordon said in a statement released by the team. "Apparently, the medicine I took contained codeine, which is prohibited by the NFL policy. The policy terms are strict about unintentional ingestion, but the NFL has not imposed the maximum punishment in light of the facts of my case. Therefore, I have chosen to be immediately accountable for the situation. I sincerely apologize for the impact on my team, coaches, and Browns fans. I look forward to working hard in training camp and preseason, and contributing immediately when I return in Week 3.”Whatever Gordon's explanation is, this doesn't remove the dark cloud that has hovered over this franchise this offseason. The new regime has encountered the same old problems that have haunted the Browns since their return to the league in 1999. It's difficult to be optimistic about the upgraded pass rush and improved downfield passing game when the Browns are always in damage control.This latest incident won't endear Gordon to the likes of CEO Joe Banner, general manager Mike Lombardi and coach Rob Chudzinski. It was the previous decision-makers who took a chance on Gordon despite his history of questionable character and immaturity. Gordon failed three marijuana tests in college, two at Baylor and a third at Utah.Going forward, the Browns have to decide whether they can build their passing game around Gordon. There's no doubt Gordon has the physical skills to be a playmaker in the league. Quarterback Brandon Weeden said Gordon "has the ability to be a top-three receiver in the NFL."But can the Browns trust that Gordon can stay out of trouble? This incident comes less than 11 months after the Browns spent a second-round pick on him. This mistake will cost him four game checks, a total of $148,894.It now makes sense why the Browns traded for Davone Bess during the draft and why they have been hesitant to give a ringing endorsement of Gordon.Three days ago, Chudzinski said he didn't know anything about rumors circulating about a Browns player being suspended. This is what Chudzinski said about Gordon after the news broke: “Obviously we are all disappointed in this news. In our short time with Josh, he has done everything that we’ve asked him to do and he has exhibited substantial improvement. We believe that he will continue to work diligently through training camp and the preseason. I am confident that others will step up in his absence.”This is the second straight year that a Browns player has been suspended. Last season, cornerback Joe Haden was suspended four games for taking the drug Adderall. The Browns went 0-4 in his absence.Different year, same problems for the Browns.

Lazy Cleveland bashing ESPN article by Hensly..

The Browns are nothing like last year when their were numersous issues that srpung up.

Gordon's actions have been known to anyone who has been paying attention, he has been pushing the envelope like someone who is screaming for help. Now the team can address his situation.

- Last year the Browns got blindsided by CB Joe Haden's adderall suspension and Joe got a month's suspension while Seattle CB Richard Sherman walked away scott-free due to an appeal of the proccess that is tainted.

- Last year in the off-season conditioning program the Browns lost starting DT Phil Tailor with a pec tear for over half of the season and that loss significantly impacted the run defense.

- Last year the Browns had a suspension of starting outside LB Scott Fujita hanging over their heads by Rodger Goodell for something he 'alledgedly did' with New Orleans years prior. Fujita was distracted and wound up getting a one-game suspension and went down with injuries and landed on IR.

- Last year the Browns lost their OTHER starting OLB Chris Gocong for the entire year due to injury.

- Last year the Browns ownership was in the proccess of changing hands meaning that the head coach and the GM and the CEO all were lame ducks and Mike Holmgren mentally checked out and collected his big fat paycheck and seemed disinterested while GM Tom Heckertt seemed to be seeking another position the second Jimmy Haslam hired Joe Banner.

Hensley's article suggests that somehow Josh Gordon's suspension equates to what transpired last year.

Last year the club ran into numerous negative issues, this year the opposite is true. This off-season their has been numerous positive things connected with the club.

- The Browns hired two of two of the best coordinators in the league in offensive coordinator Norv Turner and defensive coordinator Ray Horton.

- The Browns parted ways with old and injury prone defenders who lost a step or never had speed in the first place, Fujita, Gocong, Sheldon Brown, and replaced them with younger and faster and more athletic players.

- The offensive scheme fits the, QB, RB, WRs, and offensive line to a T.

- The defensive scheme is built around the aggressive intensity of the new DC where last year the only pass rusher was Jabaal Sheard. The team focused on acquiring pass rushers and now has FOUR in, OLB/DE Jabaal Sheard, OLB Quentin Groves, OLB/DE Paul Kruger, OLB/DE Barkevious Mingo.

Jason Hensly and ESPN claim that a two-game suspension somehow equals 'the same ole Browns' and quite frankly they are not just wrong but they will be proven to be wrong.

Last year Josh Gordon was an unknown quantity. He was out of shape in camp, he didn't play the first three games, he was learning on the job and only knew limited routes but improved and flashed last year.

Right now, he's in better shape then he was last year, he was tearing it up in mini camps and OTAs, he knows more routes and has improved from last year when he caught 50 passes after only catching 43 his entire college career. He will only miss two games, it is not the end of the world which Helsly falsely implies.

If anything the suspension is a positive if it wakes him up and the club can now address his off-field actions directly. Gordon should definitely improve on his production from last year even if he misses the first two games, heck he didn't even see the field last year till the third game and he was a rookie learning on the job and came in out of shape to boot. He's already light years ahead of where he was last year in terms of conditioning and knowing his routes. Add he is getting reps with the first unit, something he didn't have all of last year till injuries struck the WR corps three games into the season.

Oh and Hensley suggest that the trade for Davone Bess is somehow connected to Josh Gordon's suspension? Um, no.

Bess is a slot receiver and Gordon is the Browns #1 WR. The club improved their slot WR situation as last year's slot WR Mohammed Massaquoi never has had a season like Davone Bess has had for Miami let alone having the consistency of Bess. So that is yet another position, slot WR, that is improved over last year which makes Hensly's article laughable.

Different year but ESPN and Jason Hensley don't have a clue about what is really happening with the Browns so their credibility should take a hit because this article is criminally misleading.

 

[Touchdown There]

The Browns will win less than six games.

 

[gandalas]

The Browns will win less than six games.

I hope so, for our long-term prospects. I would MUCH rather be 2-14 than 8-8, especially with the QB class that will be coming in next season.

We lost out on RG3 because of winning a few meaningless games 2 years ago. Don't want the same thing to happen next draft as well. I would much rather be a top-2 pick than miss out on the playoffs by a game or 2 and have a meaningless mid-round draft slot.

 

[Boone22]

From Rotoworld...

The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports Josh Gordon is already in Stage 3 of the NFL's drug program and is now one failed drug test away from a one-year suspension.

Gordon's February failed drug test for codeine was his "second strike," suggesting he either failed another drug test before that, or entered the NFL already in the league's drug program. The codeine test vaulted Gordon into Stage 3. As Browns beat reporter Mary Kay Cabot writes, "One more failed test and Gordon's storybook NFL career could be in serious jeopardy." Players suspended for one year under the substance policy can apply for reinstatement after the year is up. For now, Gordon is only suspended for Weeks 1 and 2.

Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer Jun 9 - 12:13 PM

 

[menobrown]

I don't know about the rest of you but when I read yesterday that he was in stage 3 I've seriously dropped him in my dynasty rankings. In fact I had two outstanding trade offers that I pulled yesterday after reading that article.The thing with stage 3 that I find so daunting is not only the one hefty one year pop but the fact he's stuck in it for his entire career. All I can say for anyone who thinks he is a good dynasty buy is you have a 23 year old guy who has shown such little will power he's already got booted off a team in college and suspended in the NFL and has apparently failed 5 drug tests since 2010. You really want to bank on him not failing another test the rest of his career? Honestly I think it's a matter of when, not if.Before news of the first suspension broke I was looking at him as guy I'd have been comfortable moving on in the 4th round range of a startup. After the 2 gamer, and not knowing he was in stage 3, I dropped in him a tad due to the increased risk but by only 1-2 rounds max. Now with this news I'd probably drop him down to the 8th-10th round kind of range. At that point I'll live with the upside but would still go into it with the thought it's only a matter of time.As for re-drafts my opinion of him has changed very little. I picked him in the middle 5th round of a draftmasters league a week ago and don't really regret it but would concede with the 2 gamer already in the books I might have been able to wait a round or two. From a redraft angle I'm thinking the 2 game suspension actually is going to make him a good value play, granted you believe in him as a player.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Players with a drug (or any) problem so bad that they get booted off NCAA teams are a terrible risk in the NFL. Coaches and football schools do everything they can to keep NFL caliber talent. When it gets to the point that they turn them loose for cause it's usually a terrible indicator for their pro prospects.

c.f. Da'Rick Rogers, Isaiah Crowell, Michael Dyer

 

[Pickle Rody]

I don't know about the rest of you but when I read yesterday that he was in stage 3 I've seriously dropped him in my dynasty rankings. In fact I had two outstanding trade offers that I pulled yesterday after reading that article. The thing with stage 3 that I find so daunting is not only the one hefty one year pop but the fact he's stuck in it for his entire career. All I can say for anyone who thinks he is a good dynasty buy is you have a 23 year old guy who has shown such little will power he's already got booted off a team in college and suspended in the NFL and has apparently failed 5 drug tests since 2010. You really want to bank on him not failing another test the rest of his career? Honestly I think it's a matter of when, not if. Before news of the first suspension broke I was looking at him as guy I'd have been comfortable moving on in the 4th round range of a startup. After the 2 gamer, and not knowing he was in stage 3, I dropped in him a tad due to the increased risk but by only 1-2 rounds max. Now with this news I'd probably drop him down to the 8th-10th round kind of range. At that point I'll live with the upside but would still go into it with the thought it's only a matter of time. As for re-drafts my opinion of him has changed very little. I picked him in the middle 5th round of a draftmasters league a week ago and don't really regret it but would concede with the 2 gamer already in the books I might have been able to wait a round or two. From a redraft angle I'm thinking the 2 game suspension actually is going to make him a good value play, granted you believe in him as a player.

I agree completely with your thought process here. His dynasty stock is at the bottom now. I'd grab him late 4th/early 5th in a redraft league where my competitors are very knowledgeable, just because I think his potential for this year is worth at least that risk as a fantasy WR3 pick.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I don't know about the rest of you but when I read yesterday that he was in stage 3 I've seriously dropped him in my dynasty rankings. In fact I had two outstanding trade offers that I pulled yesterday after reading that article. The thing with stage 3 that I find so daunting is not only the one hefty one year pop but the fact he's stuck in it for his entire career. All I can say for anyone who thinks he is a good dynasty buy is you have a 23 year old guy who has shown such little will power he's already got booted off a team in college and suspended in the NFL and has apparently failed 5 drug tests since 2010. You really want to bank on him not failing another test the rest of his career? Honestly I think it's a matter of when, not if. Before news of the first suspension broke I was looking at him as guy I'd have been comfortable moving on in the 4th round range of a startup. After the 2 gamer, and not knowing he was in stage 3, I dropped in him a tad due to the increased risk but by only 1-2 rounds max. Now with this news I'd probably drop him down to the 8th-10th round kind of range. At that point I'll live with the upside but would still go into it with the thought it's only a matter of time. As for re-drafts my opinion of him has changed very little. I picked him in the middle 5th round of a draftmasters league a week ago and don't really regret it but would concede with the 2 gamer already in the books I might have been able to wait a round or two. From a redraft angle I'm thinking the 2 game suspension actually is going to make him a good value play, granted you believe in him as a player.

I agree completely with your thought process here. His dynasty stock is at the bottom now. I'd grab him late 4th/early 5th in a redraft league where my competitors are very knowledgeable, just because I think his potential for this year is worth at least that risk as a fantasy WR3 pick.

makes zero sense, if he was in stage 3 he wouldn't be getting just 2 games but 4 games; something isn't right about this case.

But yes, I would drop him down a lot similiar to Blackmon for me.

 

[menobrown]

I don't know about the rest of you but when I read yesterday that he was in stage 3 I've seriously dropped him in my dynasty rankings. In fact I had two outstanding trade offers that I pulled yesterday after reading that article. The thing with stage 3 that I find so daunting is not only the one hefty one year pop but the fact he's stuck in it for his entire career. All I can say for anyone who thinks he is a good dynasty buy is you have a 23 year old guy who has shown such little will power he's already got booted off a team in college and suspended in the NFL and has apparently failed 5 drug tests since 2010. You really want to bank on him not failing another test the rest of his career? Honestly I think it's a matter of when, not if. Before news of the first suspension broke I was looking at him as guy I'd have been comfortable moving on in the 4th round range of a startup. After the 2 gamer, and not knowing he was in stage 3, I dropped in him a tad due to the increased risk but by only 1-2 rounds max. Now with this news I'd probably drop him down to the 8th-10th round kind of range. At that point I'll live with the upside but would still go into it with the thought it's only a matter of time. As for re-drafts my opinion of him has changed very little. I picked him in the middle 5th round of a draftmasters league a week ago and don't really regret it but would concede with the 2 gamer already in the books I might have been able to wait a round or two. From a redraft angle I'm thinking the 2 game suspension actually is going to make him a good value play, granted you believe in him as a player.

I agree completely with your thought process here. His dynasty stock is at the bottom now. I'd grab him late 4th/early 5th in a redraft league where my competitors are very knowledgeable, just because I think his potential for this year is worth at least that risk as a fantasy WR3 pick.

makes zero sense, if he was in stage 3 he wouldn't be getting just 2 games but 4 games; something isn't right about this case.But yes, I would drop him down a lot similiar to Blackmon for me.

Well he did lose 4 games pay. It actually adds some validity to his codeine story. Pure speculation on my part but it's possible it's essentially a compromise suspension, 2 games missed and 4 games pay instead of 4 across the board so a somewhat lighter suspension than the normal.To me it makes it makes no difference how he got to stage 3. I just believe he's in it and even if his last failed test was truly codeine related it still means he failed a previous drug test since entering the NFL. This to me makes his situation worse than Blackmons. In both cases it would appear they are both in stage 3 for the rest of their careers which is a major concern but what makes Gordon's situation so worse he's already been kicked out of college and already lived the ups and downs of seeing his draft stock tumble and putting his career at risk. Even after that experience he's still failed two drug tests in the NFL. That's a huge concern because his actions indicate he's not getting the message.

 

[Steed]

I don't think he ever expected to be a 2nd round pick, so saying his draft stock stumbled isn't exactly accurate. It's one of the few times the supplemental draft helped a prospect.

 

[Adam Harstad]

I don't know about the rest of you but when I read yesterday that he was in stage 3 I've seriously dropped him in my dynasty rankings. In fact I had two outstanding trade offers that I pulled yesterday after reading that article. The thing with stage 3 that I find so daunting is not only the one hefty one year pop but the fact he's stuck in it for his entire career. All I can say for anyone who thinks he is a good dynasty buy is you have a 23 year old guy who has shown such little will power he's already got booted off a team in college and suspended in the NFL and has apparently failed 5 drug tests since 2010. You really want to bank on him not failing another test the rest of his career? Honestly I think it's a matter of when, not if. Before news of the first suspension broke I was looking at him as guy I'd have been comfortable moving on in the 4th round range of a startup. After the 2 gamer, and not knowing he was in stage 3, I dropped in him a tad due to the increased risk but by only 1-2 rounds max. Now with this news I'd probably drop him down to the 8th-10th round kind of range. At that point I'll live with the upside but would still go into it with the thought it's only a matter of time. As for re-drafts my opinion of him has changed very little. I picked him in the middle 5th round of a draftmasters league a week ago and don't really regret it but would concede with the 2 gamer already in the books I might have been able to wait a round or two. From a redraft angle I'm thinking the 2 game suspension actually is going to make him a good value play, granted you believe in him as a player.

IF Gordon is in stage 3, I completely agree. That's a major, major strike against him. I'm holding off on updating my dynasty rankings for a couple of days hoping we'll get a bit more information on the topic confirming one way or another. I do think it seems odd that the violation which kicked him all the way into stage 3 only resulted in a 2-game suspension.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Trying to piece together the fine/suspension I come up with this (guess)...

Either he entered the league in Stage Two due to his history with drugs, or he failed a test and was entered into Stage One previously. Unless the violation is behaviorally related to drugs (i.e. not a positive test) the player is passed onto Stage Two automatically after a review period.

So the 4/17ths fine was for the 1st violation after entering Stage Two (per the policy).

And the "codeine" incident was the 2nd positive test in Stage Two, coming close enough on the heels of the first violation that they announced the penalties at the same time. If so, the two game suspension is for the 2nd violation while in Stage Two, and could indicates that there may actually be some mitigating circumstances since the normal penalty would be four games.

If that's right -- and he has two violations after entering Stage Two -- he'd be in Stage Three now for the rest of his career.

 

[beer 302]

Trying to piece together the fine/suspension I come up with this (guess)... Either he entered the league in Stage Two due to his history with drugs, or he failed a test and was entered into Stage One previously. Unless the violation is behaviorally related to drugs (i.e. not a positive test) the player is passed onto Stage Two automatically after a review period. So the 4/17ths fine was for the 1st violation after entering Stage Two (per the policy). And the "codeine" incident was the 2nd positive test in Stage Two, coming close enough on the heels of the first violation that they announced the penalties at the same time. If so, the two game suspension is for the 2nd violation while in Stage Two, and could indicates that there may actually be some mitigating circumstances since the normal penalty would be four games. If that's right -- and he has two violations after entering Stage Two -- he'd be in Stage Three now for the rest of his career.

Hope so, kid's an idiot. Hopefully the threat of losing the only good job he'll ever have will sober him up. Put the bong down for a few years, make some scrilla then party like there's no tomorrow.

 

[Half in the bag]

Was really excited to see what this kid could become. Excitement has turned to concern that he is just another Chris Henry( RIP) or Titus Young.

 

[Touchdown There]

Was really excited to see what this kid could become. Excitement has turned to concern that he is just another Chris Henry( RIP) or Titus Young.

His past actions from college should have been enough to concern you. His current actions are the same as his past ones. This is not surprising. The surprise would be him becoming a model citizen.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Was really excited to see what this kid could become. Excitement has turned to concern that he is just another Chris Henry( RIP) or Titus Young.

His past actions from college should have been enough to concern you. His current actions are the same as his past ones. This is not surprising. The surprise would be him becoming a model citizen.

His talent is the reason he was scouted and selected so high in the supplemental draft.

His play proved he is talented.

His off-field pot smoking is well known.

Who said anything about him being a model citizen? Is that why you think he was taken so high in the supplemental draft?

If he can handle his pot smoking he's already proven he has talent and I think he will show even more of his talent this season and that the club will come down on him hard enough to manage his propencity of pot smoking at least thru this rest of this season but you've already shown your colors with your dismissive comments about the Browns winning less than six games so I consider you a troll TT.

 

[amnesiac]

Was really excited to see what this kid could become. Excitement has turned to concern that he is just another Chris Henry( RIP) or Titus Young.

His past actions from college should have been enough to concern you. His current actions are the same as his past ones. This is not surprising. The surprise would be him becoming a model citizen.

His talent is the reason he was scouted and selected so high in the supplemental draft. His play proved he is talented. His off-field pot smoking is well known. Who said anything about him being a model citizen? Is that why you think he was taken so high in the supplemental draft? If he can handle his pot smoking he's already proven he has talent and I think he will show even more of his talent this season and that the club will come down on him hard enough to manage his propencity of pot smoking at least thru this rest of this season but you've already shown your colors with your dismissive comments about the Browns winning less than six games so I consider you a troll TT.

he's also already proven he can't handle his pot/substance issues. and with a brand new offense and defense, 6 games is not a bad over/under for wins for the Browns. i like your enthusiasm, but you might be well served to add a dash of reality to it.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Was really excited to see what this kid could become. Excitement has turned to concern that he is just another Chris Henry( RIP) or Titus Young.

His past actions from college should have been enough to concern you. His current actions are the same as his past ones. This is not surprising. The surprise would be him becoming a model citizen.

His talent is the reason he was scouted and selected so high in the supplemental draft. His play proved he is talented. His off-field pot smoking is well known. Who said anything about him being a model citizen? Is that why you think he was taken so high in the supplemental draft? If he can handle his pot smoking he's already proven he has talent and I think he will show even more of his talent this season and that the club will come down on him hard enough to manage his propencity of pot smoking at least thru this rest of this season but you've already shown your colors with your dismissive comments about the Browns winning less than six games so I consider you a troll TT.

he's also already proven he can't handle his pot/substance issues.and with a brand new offense and defense, 6 games is not a bad over/under for wins for the Browns.i like your enthusiasm, but you might be well served to add a dash of reality to it.

He certainly has shown he wasn't mature enough to stop smoking pot, I agree but his first issues came as a teenager and when he was twenty and twenty-one years old. Add, he was left to his own divices and at that time the reality of how much money he was costing himself wasn't as real and in his face as it is now. Additionally we all age and in-spite of ourselves we tend to mature and Josh Gordon isn't an exception with aging and now he's seen hard evidence of how smoking has cost him and could jeapordize his career.

Now the club can get involved and I think Josh is going to be dealing with guys in the lockerroom who will impart their will on him because its not about Josh having a personal issue, its about his personal issue costing the team victories and veterans can see how that will hurt them so his personal issue suddenly involves many people, more than his pot smoking buddies who also have to wake-up and realize how much they have hurt Gordon or if they bring down Josh that they will have to answer to many Browns fans who might bring them down.

I've followed the team for a long time, a long time. Seen plenty.

I've heard sizzle and little steak. I've heard the pomp and circumstane of new schemes and systems but saw no talent. We've been developing real tealent and Norv Turner and Ray Horton are coaching steak.

I think people are not aware and are underestimating the Browns this year.

This isn't 1999 with, Camen Policy, Chris Palmer, and Dwight Clark and the expansion Browns.

Stating the Browns won't win six games this year is not a reasonable statement.

 

[msommer]

Trying to piece together the fine/suspension I come up with this (guess)... Either he entered the league in Stage Two due to his history with drugs, or he failed a test and was entered into Stage One previously. Unless the violation is behaviorally related to drugs (i.e. not a positive test) the player is passed onto Stage Two automatically after a review period. So the 4/17ths fine was for the 1st violation after entering Stage Two (per the policy). And the "codeine" incident was the 2nd positive test in Stage Two, coming close enough on the heels of the first violation that they announced the penalties at the same time. If so, the two game suspension is for the 2nd violation while in Stage Two, and could indicates that there may actually be some mitigating circumstances since the normal penalty would be four games. If that's right -- and he has two violations after entering Stage Two -- he'd be in Stage Three now for the rest of his career.

Hope so, kid's an idiot. Hopefully the threat of losing the only good job he'll ever have will sober him up. Put the bong down for a few years, make some scrilla then party like there's no tomorrow.

Until there is.

 

[Shutout]

I don't know about the rest of you but when I read yesterday that he was in stage 3 I've seriously dropped him in my dynasty rankings. In fact I had two outstanding trade offers that I pulled yesterday after reading that article. The thing with stage 3 that I find so daunting is not only the one hefty one year pop but the fact he's stuck in it for his entire career. All I can say for anyone who thinks he is a good dynasty buy is you have a 23 year old guy who has shown such little will power he's already got booted off a team in college and suspended in the NFL and has apparently failed 5 drug tests since 2010. You really want to bank on him not failing another test the rest of his career? Honestly I think it's a matter of when, not if. Before news of the first suspension broke I was looking at him as guy I'd have been comfortable moving on in the 4th round range of a startup. After the 2 gamer, and not knowing he was in stage 3, I dropped in him a tad due to the increased risk but by only 1-2 rounds max. Now with this news I'd probably drop him down to the 8th-10th round kind of range. At that point I'll live with the upside but would still go into it with the thought it's only a matter of time. As for re-drafts my opinion of him has changed very little. I picked him in the middle 5th round of a draftmasters league a week ago and don't really regret it but would concede with the 2 gamer already in the books I might have been able to wait a round or two. From a redraft angle I'm thinking the 2 game suspension actually is going to make him a good value play, granted you believe in him as a player.

I thought I read somewhere a long time ago but don't have it in front of me that a player who is suspended for a year gets that wiped out if they come back for 2 calendar years without further suspension. I think the protocol was a much heavier dose of both scheduled and random testing but over that time of being clean, they kind of get "reset". I will try to find that info and update.

I was so excited about this guy last year, both in real life and as a fantasy prospect. I did end up having him in one league and had to trade him away to make a playoff push. I was really grinding my teeth over that one at the time but now I think it was for the best because I agree with you that I believe it is now a matter of when and not if he takes another hit (no pun intended).

ETA: Found the info and you are right.. Rest of their career...WOW!

Here's the link I was reading: http://www.nflevolution.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2011-synopsis-of-the-policies-final-8-19-11-5081.pdf

Just added it because there is some info about the additional testing I was mentioning and adds a bit to the discussion. If I read this right, he could, in addition to the normal stuff, be subjected to up to 10 random tests a month. That's a lot and, like most work places, failure to submit a valid sample counts as a positive so unless he is absolutely squeaky clean, it will be very difficult for him to just keep participating in the program without having issues.

Year ago, I worked with a young transit driver who lost his job becuase he was in a random drug program and he happened to get tagged four times in one month. He was clean, but his number came up an unusually large amount of times and, just him being young like we all do, just got tired of if when he was tagged one day when he had some things planned and he just said forget it and didn't show. Some people might say "well, he was probably guilty" but I always thought it was just a case where things get to young kids when we aren't yet mature.

Anyway, at 23 years old and in the program for the rest of his career, I can't see having him very high at all in a dynasty ranking.

 

[amnesiac]

Was really excited to see what this kid could become. Excitement has turned to concern that he is just another Chris Henry( RIP) or Titus Young.

His past actions from college should have been enough to concern you. His current actions are the same as his past ones. This is not surprising. The surprise would be him becoming a model citizen.

His talent is the reason he was scouted and selected so high in the supplemental draft. His play proved he is talented. His off-field pot smoking is well known. Who said anything about him being a model citizen? Is that why you think he was taken so high in the supplemental draft? If he can handle his pot smoking he's already proven he has talent and I think he will show even more of his talent this season and that the club will come down on him hard enough to manage his propencity of pot smoking at least thru this rest of this season but you've already shown your colors with your dismissive comments about the Browns winning less than six games so I consider you a troll TT.

he's also already proven he can't handle his pot/substance issues.and with a brand new offense and defense, 6 games is not a bad over/under for wins for the Browns.i like your enthusiasm, but you might be well served to add a dash of reality to it.

He certainly has shown he wasn't mature enough to stop smoking pot, I agree but his first issues came as a teenager and when he was twenty and twenty-one years old. Add, he was left to his own divices and at that time the reality of how much money he was costing himself wasn't as real and in his face as it is now. Additionally we all age and in-spite of ourselves we tend to mature and Josh Gordon isn't an exception with aging and now he's seen hard evidence of how smoking has cost him and could jeapordize his career.

Now the club can get involved and I think Josh is going to be dealing with guys in the lockerroom who will impart their will on him because its not about Josh having a personal issue, its about his personal issue costing the team victories and veterans can see how that will hurt them so his personal issue suddenly involves many people, more than his pot smoking buddies who also have to wake-up and realize how much they have hurt Gordon or if they bring down Josh that they will have to answer to many Browns fans who might bring them down.

I've followed the team for a long time, a long time. Seen plenty.

I've heard sizzle and little steak. I've heard the pomp and circumstane of new schemes and systems but saw no talent. We've been developing real tealent and Norv Turner and Ray Horton are coaching steak.

I think people are not aware and are underestimating the Browns this year.

This isn't 1999 with, Camen Policy, Chris Palmer, and Dwight Clark and the expansion Browns.

Stating the Browns won't win six games this year is not a reasonable statement.

like i said, i appreciate you're an excited fan, i hope they win a bunch of games too. hell, it would be awesome if they somehow sniffed the playoffs.

fact is, they haven't won more than 5 games since the 2007 season. saying they likely won't win 6 games this year isn't exactly an unreasonable statement.

 

[humpback]

I guess Vegas is unreasonable too:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/futures/

CLEVELAND BROWNS 6.0 (OVER -130 UNDER +110)

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/First-wave-of-2013-NFL-win-totals-hit-the-board.html

CLEVELAND BROWNS

[SIZE=12pt]2013 Total[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]5 (Over: +120, Under: -150)[/SIZE]

 

[Adam Harstad]

Do we have confirmation that Gordon is in stage 3 going forward?

 

[Shutout]

Do we have confirmation that Gordon is in stage 3 going forward?

Reading page 18 of this http://www.nflevolution.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2011-synopsis-of-the-policies-final-8-19-11-5081.pdf

it appears, based upon his known punishment of 4 missed paychecks and 2 game suspension that he sucessfully completed Stage 1 and has now committed the 1st violation of stage 2. But since there are two stages of Stage 2 and he hasn't been suspended 4 games, I read into it that he is in the middle of Stage 2 and, should he commit another violation, he would be suspended 4 games and moved to Stage 3.

The interesting paraphrased remark in that reading is that it also appears that since he has been suspended in the 1st stage of Stage 2 (if that is, in fact, where he is), that the next violation would actually be a 6 game suspension. The wording of the rule is clear but I am struggling to ever think of a player who has been suspended 6 games. It seems to me that they always go from 4 to 1 year which I suppose suggests that you have very few cases where a player actually goes to Stage 1 and does NOT mess up, and then subsequently hits two more seprate violations.

 

[Two Deep]

Maybe they should have Dez Bryant mentor him.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

I don't know about the rest of you but when I read yesterday that he was in stage 3 I've seriously dropped him in my dynasty rankings. In fact I had two outstanding trade offers that I pulled yesterday after reading that article. The thing with stage 3 that I find so daunting is not only the one hefty one year pop but the fact he's stuck in it for his entire career. All I can say for anyone who thinks he is a good dynasty buy is you have a 23 year old guy who has shown such little will power he's already got booted off a team in college and suspended in the NFL and has apparently failed 5 drug tests since 2010. You really want to bank on him not failing another test the rest of his career? Honestly I think it's a matter of when, not if. Before news of the first suspension broke I was looking at him as guy I'd have been comfortable moving on in the 4th round range of a startup. After the 2 gamer, and not knowing he was in stage 3, I dropped in him a tad due to the increased risk but by only 1-2 rounds max. Now with this news I'd probably drop him down to the 8th-10th round kind of range. At that point I'll live with the upside but would still go into it with the thought it's only a matter of time. As for re-drafts my opinion of him has changed very little. I picked him in the middle 5th round of a draftmasters league a week ago and don't really regret it but would concede with the 2 gamer already in the books I might have been able to wait a round or two. From a redraft angle I'm thinking the 2 game suspension actually is going to make him a good value play, granted you believe in him as a player.

I thought I read somewhere a long time ago but don't have it in front of me that a player who is suspended for a year gets that wiped out if they come back for 2 calendar years without further suspension. I think the protocol was a much heavier dose of both scheduled and random testing but over that time of being clean, they kind of get "reset". I will try to find that info and update.

I was so excited about this guy last year, both in real life and as a fantasy prospect. I did end up having him in one league and had to trade him away to make a playoff push. I was really grinding my teeth over that one at the time but now I think it was for the best because I agree with you that I believe it is now a matter of when and not if he takes another hit (no pun intended).

ETA: Found the info and you are right.. Rest of their career...WOW!

Here's the link I was reading: http://www.nflevolution.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2011-synopsis-of-the-policies-final-8-19-11-5081.pdf

Just added it because there is some info about the additional testing I was mentioning and adds a bit to the discussion. If I read this right, he could, in addition to the normal stuff, be subjected to up to 10 random tests a month. That's a lot and, like most work places, failure to submit a valid sample counts as a positive so unless he is absolutely squeaky clean, it will be very difficult for him to just keep participating in the program without having issues.

Year ago, I worked with a young transit driver who lost his job becuase he was in a random drug program and he happened to get tagged four times in one month. He was clean, but his number came up an unusually large amount of times and, just him being young like we all do, just got tired of if when he was tagged one day when he had some things planned and he just said forget it and didn't show. Some people might say "well, he was probably guilty" but I always thought it was just a case where things get to young kids when we aren't yet mature.

Anyway, at 23 years old and in the program for the rest of his career, I can't see having him very high at all in a dynasty ranking.

in all seriousness as a dynasty owner of Gordon who recently traded away Denarius Moore Im very concerned that he will continue to be a bonehead... MAYBE he can get his head right but I am NOT optimistic... anybody have any ideas how we should be valuing Gordon in dynasty formats going forward? Kinda feels like a hold to me because I don't believe most people RIGHT NOW are going to give much for him... great potential but kinda dumb

 

[KellysHeroes]

I will admit, i didn't realize he had this much trouble in college which is why i like to read everyone's opnion. I just traded him and moving on

 

[Half in the bag]

Starting to wonder if there is an underlying issue with him. Drug use with a young rich athlete can be a slippery slope. Really hope he has learned his lesson and stays on the straight and narrow from here on. If he does theres a good chance he'll blossom into a top flight wr.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

I will admit, i didn't realize he had this much trouble in college which is why i like to read everyone's opnion. I just traded him and moving on

what did you get for him? (i'm trying to sell him as well in my dynasty non-ppr league)

 

[KellysHeroes]

I don't understand why everyone is so eager to sell? We all agree that he has the talent to be a top 8 WR.His value is in the crapper. Is someone with potential to be a top WR for the next 10 years worth giving up for a 2nd or 3rd round pick? I'd rather hold him unless I'm getting a stud in return than be the guy who sells and watches him blow up for the next 10 years only hoping he messes up again so I can say I told you so.

We do?

 

[KellysHeroes]

I will admit, i didn't realize he had this much trouble in college which is why i like to read everyone's opnion. I just traded him and moving on

what did you get for him? (i'm trying to sell him as well in my dynasty non-ppr league)

I'll PM it too u, sick of posting my trades in threads like this and then getting ridiculed for half a page. I was offered a player I wanted and took it. Rather take a hit on perceived off-season value now while I can still get a decent buck then have to sit on him and get nothing while hes suspended for a yr.

 

[Half in the bag]

I will admit, i didn't realize he had this much trouble in college which is why i like to read everyone's opnion. I just traded him and moving on

what did you get for him? (i'm trying to sell him as well in my dynasty non-ppr league)

I'll PM it too u, sick of posting my trades in threads like this and then getting ridiculed for half a page. I was offered a player I wanted and took it. Rather take a hit on perceived off-season value now while I can still get a decent buck then have to sit on him and get nothing while hes suspended for a yr.

Why not post it? Who cares if people ridicule you. It's a message board.

Yeah! Being ridiculed is just the boards way of saying " I think I'm better than I really am, and here's why...". Everyone does it

 

[wadegarrett]

Trying to piece together the fine/suspension I come up with this (guess)... Either he entered the league in Stage Two due to his history with drugs, or he failed a test and was entered into Stage One previously. Unless the violation is behaviorally related to drugs (i.e. not a positive test) the player is passed onto Stage Two automatically after a review period. So the 4/17ths fine was for the 1st violation after entering Stage Two (per the policy). And the "codeine" incident was the 2nd positive test in Stage Two, coming close enough on the heels of the first violation that they announced the penalties at the same time. If so, the two game suspension is for the 2nd violation while in Stage Two, and could indicates that there may actually be some mitigating circumstances since the normal penalty would be four games. If that's right -- and he has two violations after entering Stage Two -- he'd be in Stage Three now for the rest of his career.

Hope so, kid's an idiot.

Come's from upbringing. Parents are probably idiots too.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I will admit, i didn't realize he had this much trouble in college which is why i like to read everyone's opnion. I just traded him and moving on

what did you get for him? (i'm trying to sell him as well in my dynasty non-ppr league)

I'll PM it too u, sick of posting my trades in threads like this and then getting ridiculed for half a page. I was offered a player I wanted and took it. Rather take a hit on perceived off-season value now while I can still get a decent buck then have to sit on him and get nothing while hes suspended for a yr.

So post it in the Dynasty Trade thread so we can ridicule you there.