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RUMOR: Giants trading 1st for DeAngelo Hall (1 Viewer)

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Giants seek trade for DeAngelo Hall

Posted by Mike Garafolo February 22, 2008 12:18AM

INDIANAPOLIS -- With their top two free-agent targets wearing pricey franchise tags, the Giants are trying another route toward getting a top cornerback: A trade with the Falcons for two-time Pro Bowl cornerback DeAngelo Hall.

According to two people with knowledge of discussions between the teams, the Giants are willing to give Atlanta their first-round pick (31st overall) in April's draft in exchange for Hall. The people requested anonymity because of the private nature of the trade talks.

Giants general manager Jerry Reese declined to comment yesterday morning when asked whether the Giants have inquired about Hall, the eighth overall pick in the 2004 draft.

The Giants had hoped to make a run at the Seahawks' Marcus Trufant and the Raiders' Nnamdi Asomugha, according to one of the people familiar with the team's off-season plans, but each was made the franchise players by their respective teams. The Giants would owe two first-round picks if they signed either player. Patriots cornerback Asante Samuel, who will become a free agent next Friday, is viewed by the Giants more as a player whose success is the product of New England's defensive system than his own ability.

Hall, 24, is a fast, tough and talented player who had 17 interceptions in his four NFL seasons. However, he had a tumultuous 2007 season with the Falcons. In a loss to the Panthers in September, he drew three penalties on Carolina's game-tying drive and then got into a shouting match with coach Bobby Petrino on the sideline. Hall was fined $100,000 and benched for the first quarter of the next week's game for the incident.

Hall further criticized Petrino when the first-year coach resigned in mid-December -- with three games left in the season.

"If I saw him in the street, I wouldn't have anything to say to him," Hall said at the time. "I don't have any respect for him. He turned his back on the organization."

Even though Petrino is now at the University of Arkansas, Hall's relationship with the Falcons is still unsettled. Newly hired general manager Thomas Dimitroff told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution this week he would listen to trade offers for Hall, though new coach Mike Smith and the rest of his staff would like to keep the four-year veteran. Dimitroff is believed to be shopping for a better deal at the Combine, which began yesterday and runs through Tuesday.

The Falcons already have dumped several veterans, including four-time Pro Bowl tight end Alge Crumpler, and seem to be interested in shedding other salaries.

Since he was hired 13 months ago, Reese has made two trades -- for placekicker Lawrence Tynes and running back Reuben Droughns. Tynes recently agreed to a five-year, $7 million deal to remain with the Giants, but Droughns, who was overtaken on the depth chart by Derrick Ward and then Ahmad Bradshaw, likely will be released soon. Reese nearly pulled off a third trade last spring, but that fell through when former Broncos linebacker Al Wilson failed a physical.

Reese's successes as GM have mostly come via the draft. All eight of his picks from a year ago became contributors for the Super Bowl XLII champions, including Bradshaw and first-rounder Aaron Ross.

The Giants are confident they have a long-term starting cornerback in Ross, who had three interceptions and six more passes defensed in his rookie season. Ross also had 1½ sacks and many quarterback pressures while blitzing from his spot as the nickel cornerback on passing downs.

The Giants also like what they've seen recently from Corey Webster -- the three-year veteran and former second-round pick who looked to be a bust during his first two seasons with the Giants. Webster quickly turned things around with an interception returned for a touchdown against the Bills in December, an interception against the Buccaneers in the first round of the playoffs and another interception to set up the game-winning field goal against the Packers in the NFC Championship game.

But cornerback is one area where Reese likes to have as much depth as possible. (Defensive end is clearly another.) By adding Hall, the Giants would increase depth and give themselves one of the league's best corners. They might also be able to shed the $1.47 million in salary 11-year veteran Sam Madison is owed this upcoming season by cutting him. Backup corner R.W. McQuarters, who is scheduled to earn $2.525 million in salary, is expected to be released -- perhaps as soon as this week.

Hall's 2008 salary is $4.22 million. The following season he's owed $957,500, though that year is voidable. Chances are the Giants will want to work out a new long-term deal if they complete the trade with Atlanta.

Hall's agent, Joel Segal, did not return an e-mail seeking comment.

MG
http://blog.nj.com/ledgergiants/2008/02/gi...r_deangelo.html
 
Man, if this guy had trouble dealing with the stress and pressure of playing in Atlanta, what'll he do with the Disciplinarian in the media madness of NY? I predict an arrest or questioning before the start of the regular season if this happens.

 
I'm not a Giants fan but that seems like a good trade to me. I guess it depends on who you could target in the draft at #31. But DeAngelo Hall is worth a late first round pick for sure.

 
Giants talking to Atlanta... hmmm... Alge getting cut hmmm... shockey under the microscope... hmmm.. haha... just speculation... keeps it interesting... as a giants fan... id welcome hall with open arms... and i also would throw a #### fit if shock treatment goes anywhere.

 
Atlanta then takes the 5 and the 31 and trades them to Miami for the #1 overall to get ryan.

 
Man, if this guy had trouble dealing with the stress and pressure of playing in Atlanta, what'll he do with the Disciplinarian in the media madness of NY? I predict an arrest or questioning before the start of the regular season if this happens.
Hall barking all the time probably had as much to do with playing for a loser organization as it did the coach. Just like all the malcontents that went to the Patriots and turned into model citizens, a championship (or the possibility of a championship) would probably keep him in line. That, or Antonio Pierce's foot in his ###
 
Atlanta then takes the 5 and the 31 and trades them to Miami for the #1 overall to get ryan.
they just the 3rd pick in the draft apparently. #3 and #31 would still work to get #1 i would imagine.why don't the Giants just go after Samuel in FA and keep the pick?
 
If the Falcons could get that deal, it would be the first thing that's gone right for the franchise in a very long time.

And it would be a stupid move by the Giants. The CB position is so deep, they're nearly guaranteed to get a rookie that's better than Hall anyway.

 
Not sure if I like this, but Jerry Reese has done a good job so far as the GM so I gotta trust him

I would much rather have Samuel or Trufant but my guess is the Giants/Reese don’t want to spend the kind of money those two guys are going to demand.

Of course I’m pretty sure that Hall thinks he should get that type of money too

Hall definitely isn’t as good as he thinks he is and he seems to be a bit of a “cancer”

 
If the Falcons could get that deal, it would be the first thing that's gone right for the franchise in a very long time.And it would be a stupid move by the Giants. The CB position is so deep, they're nearly guaranteed to get a rookie that's better than Hall anyway.
Is Hall really that poor of a player? He seems like a decent starting CB to me? I would like some info from a lot of people who watch him often. forget attitude, how does he play?
 
If the Falcons could get that deal, it would be the first thing that's gone right for the franchise in a very long time.And it would be a stupid move by the Giants. The CB position is so deep, they're nearly guaranteed to get a rookie that's better than Hall anyway.
Is Hall really that poor of a player? He seems like a decent starting CB to me? I would like some info from a lot of people who watch him often. forget attitude, how does he play?
He's really not that good. He's just not. :D
 
Man, if this guy had trouble dealing with the stress and pressure of playing in Atlanta, what'll he do with the Disciplinarian in the media madness of NY? I predict an arrest or questioning before the start of the regular season if this happens.
Hall barking all the time probably had as much to do with playing for a loser organization as it did the coach. Just like all the malcontents that went to the Patriots and turned into model citizens, a championship (or the possibility of a championship) would probably keep him in line. That, or Antonio Pierce's foot in his ###
The Giants aren't the Pats in that respect. They have no history of turning malcontents into model citizens and have very recently had their own troubles with team leaders, not just players, being malcontents to the media. The Giants didn't have a smooth season. Besides, which malcontents have the Pats brainwashed? Dillon? He clearly wanted to win and was on a team that refused to spend money, the Falcons had Vick and lots of money to go around. Hall's bad attitude doesn't strike me as the same kind of bad attitude that Dillon had. The rest of their castoffs are almost all cap casualties and good players to begin with, not repeatedly fined disgruntled tools like Hall.
 
If the Falcons could get that deal, it would be the first thing that's gone right for the franchise in a very long time.And it would be a stupid move by the Giants. The CB position is so deep, they're nearly guaranteed to get a rookie that's better than Hall anyway.
Is Hall really that poor of a player? He seems like a decent starting CB to me? I would like some info from a lot of people who watch him often. forget attitude, how does he play?
Gambler, better in man coverage than zone, but inconsistent in press coverage and how willing he is to defend the run. Most feel that most of his inconsistency comes from his poor attitude and work ethic, so the two are intertwined.He's actually not a bad fit for the Giants defensive scheme, which asks its corners to play a lot of man coverage behind a complicated blitz scheme. The issue will be how many big plays he gives up in comparison to the big plays he generates against a hurried quarterback.
 
If the Falcons could get that deal, it would be the first thing that's gone right for the franchise in a very long time.And it would be a stupid move by the Giants. The CB position is so deep, they're nearly guaranteed to get a rookie that's better than Hall anyway.
Is Hall really that poor of a player? He seems like a decent starting CB to me? I would like some info from a lot of people who watch him often. forget attitude, how does he play?
He's really not that good. He's just not. :shrug:
I disagree with you there. He's a top 15 corner, and would be higher with a better pass rush, which the Giants have. I'd still take a 1st round pick for him, though I'd like a 1st round and something else, a player or another pick.Hall is a man coverage guy, and doesn't like playing zone schemes, which he's had to play a lot in Atlanta, especially under Donatell.
 
While the term "brilliant" gets tossed around far too freely by the opinion makers in the adjective-challenged circuit of football commentary, it would be no stretch to characterize a straight-up swap of a late first round pick for DeAnagelo Hall as a masterstroke by Jerry Reese, the new wunderkind of GM circles. It proves that Reese is a student of recent football history and has paid close attention to how the Pats have parlayed success on the field into front office bargaining power and replenished their roster with fresh talent year after year. As the newly minted royalty of the NFL, the Giants, for the first time in decades, are at the top of the food chain this offseason. Even the Pats cannot match their ability to set the terms of the negotiation with disgruntled stars who are looking for more than a big payday. Under Spags, the Giants have built a defensive system that puts strong matchup CBs in a position to make plays when protection caves under the relentless pressure from the front 7. What self-respecting trash-talking, high-stepping primadonna of a cornerback could not sink his 24K capped incisors into such an opportunity?

Before Captain Petrino and the Bad Newz Falcons began ricocheting from iceberg to iceberg this season, Hall was widely considered to be in competition with Trufant, Samuel, Asomugha, and Dunta Robinson to grab the mantle of premiere shutdown corner in the NFL away from an aging Champ Bailey. His modest success and mental breakdowns this year seem more the product of a hapless, rudderless team than any diminishment in skills. Even as he enters the prime of his career, Hall's pricetag has never been lower. If the Giants can replace an oft-injured and geriatric Sam Madison for the price of the 31st pick in the draft, it would be a coup. In one fell swoop, the Giants defensive backfield, a question mark all season, would enter 2008 as a team strength.

 
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If the Falcons could get that deal, it would be the first thing that's gone right for the franchise in a very long time.

And it would be a stupid move by the Giants. The CB position is so deep, they're nearly guaranteed to get a rookie that's better than Hall anyway.
Is Hall really that poor of a player? He seems like a decent starting CB to me? I would like some info from a lot of people who watch him often. forget attitude, how does he play?
He's really not that good. He's just not. :)
I disagree with you there. He's a top 15 corner, and would be higher with a better pass rush, which the Giants have. I'd still take a 1st round pick for him, though I'd like a 1st round and something else, a player or another pick.Hall is a man coverage guy, and doesn't like playing zone schemes, which he's had to play a lot in Atlanta, especially under Donatell.
Just out of curiosity, here is a handful of about 20 guys I think are definitely better than DeAngelo. I'm sure there are many others who I would say are comparable or slightly better. Who would you put him ahead of on this list:Champ Bailey, Dre Bly, Quentin Jammer, Antonio Cromartie, Nnamdi Asomugha, Anthony Henry, Sheldon Brown, Lito Sheppard, Marcus Trufant, Asante Samuel, Antrel Rolle, Jonathan Joseph, Terrence Newman, Nate Clements, Charles Woodson, Charles Tillman, Leigh Bodden, Ike Taylor, Darrelle Revis, Terrence McGee

I guess the Giants are impressed with what they see at :28 and 1:30. The guy gets beat all the time, is a complete disruption to the organization, and as has been previously said is very difficult if not impossible to coach. Getting a first round pick for Hall is a steal in my opinion

 
If the Falcons could get that deal, it would be the first thing that's gone right for the franchise in a very long time.

And it would be a stupid move by the Giants. The CB position is so deep, they're nearly guaranteed to get a rookie that's better than Hall anyway.
Is Hall really that poor of a player? He seems like a decent starting CB to me? I would like some info from a lot of people who watch him often. forget attitude, how does he play?
He's really not that good. He's just not. :confused:
I disagree with you there. He's a top 15 corner, and would be higher with a better pass rush, which the Giants have. I'd still take a 1st round pick for him, though I'd like a 1st round and something else, a player or another pick.Hall is a man coverage guy, and doesn't like playing zone schemes, which he's had to play a lot in Atlanta, especially under Donatell.
Just out of curiosity, here is a handful of about 20 guys I think are definitely better than DeAngelo. I'm sure there are many others who I would say are comparable or slightly better. Who would you put him ahead of on this list:Champ Bailey, Dre Bly, Quentin Jammer, Antonio Cromartie, Nnamdi Asomugha, Anthony Henry, Sheldon Brown, Lito Sheppard, Marcus Trufant, Asante Samuel, Antrel Rolle, Jonathan Joseph, Terrence Newman, Nate Clements, Charles Woodson, Charles Tillman, Leigh Bodden, Ike Taylor, Darrelle Revis, Terrence McGee

I guess the Giants are impressed with what they see at :28 and 1:30. The guy gets beat all the time, is a complete disruption to the organization, and as has been previously said is very difficult if not impossible to coach. Getting a first round pick for Hall is a steal in my opinion
I started to pick the names that Hall is better than on that list but there's just too many. We're not talking fantasy DB's, talking pure talent on an NFL level. I am not a Hall fan, but he should crack the top 15 talent for CB. That's not saying that Hall is that good, but there are very few great CBs in this league, the rest are muddled together and it's more of a "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" type thing after the elite ones.You are also forgetting a monsterous fact. The guys you mention aren't available. Their plan was to go after Trufant or Asomugha. So although you believe Hall isn't top 20, the limited supply of available CBs on the market bump up his value, simple economics.

Thank god for Giants fans Reese is smart enough to not go for Samuel. There's a guy that wins the Philadelphia Eagle's CB Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, Sheldon Brown, Lito Sheperd - Product of the System AWARD.

 
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While the term "brilliant" gets tossed around far too freely by the opinion makers in the adjective-challenged circuit of football commentary, it would be no stretch to characterize a straight-up swap of a late first round pick for DeAnagelo Hall as a masterstroke by Jerry Reese, the new wunderkind of GM circles. It proves that Reese is a student of recent football history and has paid close attention to how the Pats have parlayed success on the field into front office bargaining power and replenished their roster with fresh talent year after year. As the newly minted royalty of the NFL, the Giants, for the first time in decades, are at the top of the food chain this offseason. Even the Pats cannot match their ability to set the terms of the negotiation with disgruntled stars who are looking for more than a big payday. Under Spags, the Giants have built a defensive system that puts strong matchup CBs in a position to make plays when protection caves under the relentless pressure from the front 7. What self-respecting trash-talking, high-stepping primadonna of a cornerback could not sink his 24K capped incisors into such an opportunity?

Before Captain Petrino and the Bad Newz Falcons began ricocheting from iceberg to iceberg this season, Hall was widely considered to be in competition with Trufant, Samuel, Asomugha, and Dunta Robinson to grab the mantle of premiere shutdown corner in the NFL away from an aging Champ Bailey. His modest success and mental breakdowns this year seem more the product of a hapless, rudderless team than any diminishment in skills. Even as he enters the prime of his career, Hall's pricetag has never been lower. If the Giants can replace an oft-injured and geriatric Sam Madison for the price of the 31st pick in the draft, it would be a coup. In one fell swoop, the Giants defensive backfield, a question mark all season, would enter 2008 as a team strength.
:goodposting: You gotta have Platinum and Diamond grills now

 
Point taken. I originally wrote platinum, but then edited it out. I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a bigger waste of money than welding a melted down engagement ring to my bicuspids. I'd rather be fitted with titanium mandibles like Jaws in Moonraker.

 
If the Falcons could get that deal, it would be the first thing that's gone right for the franchise in a very long time.

And it would be a stupid move by the Giants. The CB position is so deep, they're nearly guaranteed to get a rookie that's better than Hall anyway.
Is Hall really that poor of a player? He seems like a decent starting CB to me? I would like some info from a lot of people who watch him often. forget attitude, how does he play?
He's really not that good. He's just not. :confused:
I disagree with you there. He's a top 15 corner, and would be higher with a better pass rush, which the Giants have. I'd still take a 1st round pick for him, though I'd like a 1st round and something else, a player or another pick.Hall is a man coverage guy, and doesn't like playing zone schemes, which he's had to play a lot in Atlanta, especially under Donatell.
Just out of curiosity, here is a handful of about 20 guys I think are definitely better than DeAngelo. I'm sure there are many others who I would say are comparable or slightly better. Who would you put him ahead of on this list:Champ Bailey, Dre Bly, Quentin Jammer, Antonio Cromartie, Nnamdi Asomugha, Anthony Henry, Sheldon Brown, Lito Sheppard, Marcus Trufant, Asante Samuel, Antrel Rolle, Jonathan Joseph, Terrence Newman, Nate Clements, Charles Woodson, Charles Tillman, Leigh Bodden, Ike Taylor, Darrelle Revis, Terrence McGee

I guess the Giants are impressed with what they see at :28 and 1:30. The guy gets beat all the time, is a complete disruption to the organization, and as has been previously said is very difficult if not impossible to coach. Getting a first round pick for Hall is a steal in my opinion
I started to pick the names that Hall is better than on that list but there's just too many. We're not talking fantasy DB's, talking pure talent on an NFL level. I am not a Hall fan, but he should crack the top 15 talent for CB. That's not saying that Hall is that good, but there are very few great CBs in this league, the rest are muddled together and it's more of a "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" type thing after the elite ones.You are also forgetting a monsterous fact. The guys you mention aren't available. Their plan was to go after Trufant or Asomugha. So although you believe Hall isn't top 20, the limited supply of available CBs on the market bump up his value, simple economics.

Thank god for Giants fans Reese is smart enough to not go for Samuel. There's a guy that wins the Philadelphia Eagle's CB Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, Sheldon Brown, Lito Sheperd - Product of the System AWARD.
I couldn't agree more with the bolded part. We're not talking fantasy. We're not talking about the fact that Hall was in the top 10 in interceptions and passes defensed for corners and probably was a good contributor in IDP leagues. He has outstanding speed and makes some good plays on the ball, but I don't think that indicates talent at the position.I'm talking about the fact that WR's constantly put up numbers on him, and when they don't he's throwing a temper tantrum and costing his team in other ways. I also agree that his value is up due to availability, and he's probably one of the better CB's available, I'm just happy it's not my team who's interested.

 
If the Falcons could get that deal, it would be the first thing that's gone right for the franchise in a very long time.

And it would be a stupid move by the Giants. The CB position is so deep, they're nearly guaranteed to get a rookie that's better than Hall anyway.
Is Hall really that poor of a player? He seems like a decent starting CB to me? I would like some info from a lot of people who watch him often. forget attitude, how does he play?
He's really not that good. He's just not. :lmao:
I disagree with you there. He's a top 15 corner, and would be higher with a better pass rush, which the Giants have. I'd still take a 1st round pick for him, though I'd like a 1st round and something else, a player or another pick.Hall is a man coverage guy, and doesn't like playing zone schemes, which he's had to play a lot in Atlanta, especially under Donatell.
Just out of curiosity, here is a handful of about 20 guys I think are definitely better than DeAngelo. I'm sure there are many others who I would say are comparable or slightly better. Who would you put him ahead of on this list:Champ Bailey, Dre Bly, Quentin Jammer, Antonio Cromartie, Nnamdi Asomugha, Anthony Henry, Sheldon Brown, Lito Sheppard, Marcus Trufant, Asante Samuel, Antrel Rolle, Jonathan Joseph, Terrence Newman, Nate Clements, Charles Woodson, Charles Tillman, Leigh Bodden, Ike Taylor, Darrelle Revis, Terrence McGee

I guess the Giants are impressed with what they see at :28 and 1:30. The guy gets beat all the time, is a complete disruption to the organization, and as has been previously said is very difficult if not impossible to coach. Getting a first round pick for Hall is a steal in my opinion
McGee, Joseph, Henry, Jammer, Taylor. Probably others, but I'm lazy. I'm telling you, he's been put in some schemes that don't suit him well.At :28, he's looking for inside help and didn't get it. I remember the analysis on that play, someone else dropped the ball there, not Hall. He forced the receiver inside like he was supposed to. At 1:30, it's hard to even see where he is but, again, it looks like he was passing the receiver off to the next zone, cause he just came to a dead stop (if that was him, I couldn't tell for sure).

Look, he gets burned, it happens to all of them. He takes chances and he's a hothead, but he's got superior coverage skills. But, after this latest rant, he's probably found the straw that broke the back, he'll be traded, and I'll take the 1st rounder and whatever else we can get.

 
Man, if this guy had trouble dealing with the stress and pressure of playing in Atlanta, what'll he do with the Disciplinarian in the media madness of NY? I predict an arrest or questioning before the start of the regular season if this happens.
Hall barking all the time probably had as much to do with playing for a loser organization as it did the coach. Just like all the malcontents that went to the Patriots and turned into model citizens, a championship (or the possibility of a championship) would probably keep him in line. That, or Antonio Pierce's foot in his ###
The Giants aren't the Pats in that respect. They have no history of turning malcontents into model citizens and have very recently had their own troubles with team leaders, not just players, being malcontents to the media. The Giants didn't have a smooth season. Besides, which malcontents have the Pats brainwashed? Dillon? He clearly wanted to win and was on a team that refused to spend money, the Falcons had Vick and lots of money to go around. Hall's bad attitude doesn't strike me as the same kind of bad attitude that Dillon had. The rest of their castoffs are almost all cap casualties and good players to begin with, not repeatedly fined disgruntled tools like Hall.
Plaxico was considered by many to be a lazy malcontent.Now he is considered a team leader, a team player, and a tough SOB who played the better part of the season with torn ligaments in his ankle.

Winning can cure a lot.

 
Champ Bailey, Dre Bly, Quentin Jammer, Antonio Cromartie, Nnamdi Asomugha, Anthony Henry, Sheldon Brown, Lito Sheppard, Marcus Trufant, Asante Samuel, Antrel Rolle, Jonathan Joseph, Terrence Newman, Nate Clements, Charles Woodson, Charles Tillman, Leigh Bodden, Ike Taylor, Darrelle Revis, Terrence McGee
BetterChamp, Cromartie, Asomugha, Trufant, Clements

Same Class

Jammer, Newman, Woodson, Bodden,

Very Close

Bly, Samuel, Sheppard, Tillman

Worse

Henry, Brown, Taylor, McGee

Too Early to Say

Revis, Rolle, Joseph

 
Hall, Ross, Webster would be a step behind Cromartie/Jammer/Florence (assuming it remains intact) as the best young nickel package in the league.

 
Man, if this guy had trouble dealing with the stress and pressure of playing in Atlanta, what'll he do with the Disciplinarian in the media madness of NY? I predict an arrest or questioning before the start of the regular season if this happens.
Hall barking all the time probably had as much to do with playing for a loser organization as it did the coach. Just like all the malcontents that went to the Patriots and turned into model citizens, a championship (or the possibility of a championship) would probably keep him in line. That, or Antonio Pierce's foot in his ###
The Giants aren't the Pats in that respect. They have no history of turning malcontents into model citizens and have very recently had their own troubles with team leaders, not just players, being malcontents to the media. The Giants didn't have a smooth season. Besides, which malcontents have the Pats brainwashed? Dillon? He clearly wanted to win and was on a team that refused to spend money, the Falcons had Vick and lots of money to go around. Hall's bad attitude doesn't strike me as the same kind of bad attitude that Dillon had. The rest of their castoffs are almost all cap casualties and good players to begin with, not repeatedly fined disgruntled tools like Hall.
Plaxico was considered by many to be a lazy malcontent.Now he is considered a team leader, a team player, and a tough SOB who played the better part of the season with torn ligaments in his ankle.

Winning can cure a lot.
True, but I don't recall Plax'(s?) being anywhere near the malcontent that Hall is. Not even the same league.
 
Man, if this guy had trouble dealing with the stress and pressure of playing in Atlanta, what'll he do with the Disciplinarian in the media madness of NY? I predict an arrest or questioning before the start of the regular season if this happens.
Hall barking all the time probably had as much to do with playing for a loser organization as it did the coach. Just like all the malcontents that went to the Patriots and turned into model citizens, a championship (or the possibility of a championship) would probably keep him in line. That, or Antonio Pierce's foot in his ###
The Giants aren't the Pats in that respect. They have no history of turning malcontents into model citizens and have very recently had their own troubles with team leaders, not just players, being malcontents to the media. The Giants didn't have a smooth season. Besides, which malcontents have the Pats brainwashed? Dillon? He clearly wanted to win and was on a team that refused to spend money, the Falcons had Vick and lots of money to go around. Hall's bad attitude doesn't strike me as the same kind of bad attitude that Dillon had. The rest of their castoffs are almost all cap casualties and good players to begin with, not repeatedly fined disgruntled tools like Hall.
Plaxico was considered by many to be a lazy malcontent.Now he is considered a team leader, a team player, and a tough SOB who played the better part of the season with torn ligaments in his ankle.

Winning can cure a lot.
True, but I don't recall Plax'(s?) being anywhere near the malcontent that Hall is. Not even the same league.
... and the Steelers weren't any near as crappy a franchise as the Falcons are. Not even the same league.I'm not excusing Hall, and his may well be a bigger pain in the ### than Burress every was, but I think there is a direct correlation with how sucky the franchise is and how vocal the malcontents are.

Furthermore, Hall is taking some heat in this thread for his on the field play and I haven't watched him a ton, but it seems he would fit into the Giants system quite well and it would also seem he would immediately be the best cover corner the Giants have had since Sehorn in his prime.

If the Giants can get that for the 30th pick, and free up some cap space since Madison could be let go, I'd be pretty happy with that.

As a Giants fan, after this past season, I trust in Reese!

 
D Hall is the most overrated CB in the NFL. Can't stand the guy. Talks like Deion Sanders and plays like Lewis Sanders.
I would have said Colonel Sanders.
You must be forgetting Colonel Sanders blanket coverage and pick on Mayor McCheese back in the '47 Championship game.
Plus Colonel Sanders is a seasoned veteran. A special seasoned veteran.
Colonel Sanders could never make it in the modern NFL though. If Ricky Williams can't make it through a drug test with 1 secret herb in his sytem, the Colonel will never make it through one with 11 herbs in him.
 
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Hall, Ross, Webster would be a step behind Cromartie/Jammer/Florence (assuming it remains intact) as the best young nickel package in the league.
Webster finished 2007 looking like the player he was in 2005. Those three would be nice. Drayton Florence is overrated and won't be a Charger next year. Carolina's top three corners are nice all-around players. I think the Chicago group (or a healthy Washington top three) would have good arguments as well.
 
Man, if this guy had trouble dealing with the stress and pressure of playing in Atlanta, what'll he do with the Disciplinarian in the media madness of NY? I predict an arrest or questioning before the start of the regular season if this happens.
Hall barking all the time probably had as much to do with playing for a loser organization as it did the coach. Just like all the malcontents that went to the Patriots and turned into model citizens, a championship (or the possibility of a championship) would probably keep him in line. That, or Antonio Pierce's foot in his ###
The Giants aren't the Pats in that respect. They have no history of turning malcontents into model citizens and have very recently had their own troubles with team leaders, not just players, being malcontents to the media. The Giants didn't have a smooth season. Besides, which malcontents have the Pats brainwashed? Dillon? He clearly wanted to win and was on a team that refused to spend money, the Falcons had Vick and lots of money to go around. Hall's bad attitude doesn't strike me as the same kind of bad attitude that Dillon had. The rest of their castoffs are almost all cap casualties and good players to begin with, not repeatedly fined disgruntled tools like Hall.
Winning a championship will turn even the most "problem" of players around. The truth about the NFL is that 90% of the players are a pain in the ### in one way or another, and Hall is no different. You have 50+ hyper competitive, over testosteroned human beings who want to win at all costs in each locker room. The only "secret" the Pats have to keeping players in line is that they win, and now the Giants do too.
 
The latest rumors I have seen and heard have the price going up to a 1st and a 3rd. Would Giants fans be happy with this? I would not think so.

 
Man, if this guy had trouble dealing with the stress and pressure of playing in Atlanta, what'll he do with the Disciplinarian in the media madness of NY? I predict an arrest or questioning before the start of the regular season if this happens.
Hall barking all the time probably had as much to do with playing for a loser organization as it did the coach. Just like all the malcontents that went to the Patriots and turned into model citizens, a championship (or the possibility of a championship) would probably keep him in line. That, or Antonio Pierce's foot in his ###
The Giants aren't the Pats in that respect. They have no history of turning malcontents into model citizens and have very recently had their own troubles with team leaders, not just players, being malcontents to the media. The Giants didn't have a smooth season. Besides, which malcontents have the Pats brainwashed? Dillon? He clearly wanted to win and was on a team that refused to spend money, the Falcons had Vick and lots of money to go around. Hall's bad attitude doesn't strike me as the same kind of bad attitude that Dillon had. The rest of their castoffs are almost all cap casualties and good players to begin with, not repeatedly fined disgruntled tools like Hall.
Winning a championship will turn even the most "problem" of players around. The truth about the NFL is that 90% of the players are a pain in the ### in one way or another, and Hall is no different. You have 50+ hyper competitive, over testosteroned human beings who want to win at all costs in each locker room. The only "secret" the Pats have to keeping players in line is that they win, and now the Giants do too.
Hall wasn't a part of the team that won the championship. He doesn't get that benefit of comeraderie that the SB winners on the team have. And although many players are pains in the butt, I think 90% is too high a figure. And even if 90% IS true, Hall is worse than 95% of them. You can't say winning will change a player who didn't actually win.
 
If Hall goes to the Gmen, you don't think the defensive players, especially the backfield, would keep him in check if he did run his mouth? How can you come into a new team and talk #### when they just won the superbowl? I think the locker room is solid, more so then anytime I can remember.

 
Man, if this guy had trouble dealing with the stress and pressure of playing in Atlanta, what'll he do with the Disciplinarian in the media madness of NY? I predict an arrest or questioning before the start of the regular season if this happens.
Hall barking all the time probably had as much to do with playing for a loser organization as it did the coach. Just like all the malcontents that went to the Patriots and turned into model citizens, a championship (or the possibility of a championship) would probably keep him in line. That, or Antonio Pierce's foot in his ###
The Giants aren't the Pats in that respect. They have no history of turning malcontents into model citizens and have very recently had their own troubles with team leaders, not just players, being malcontents to the media. The Giants didn't have a smooth season. Besides, which malcontents have the Pats brainwashed? Dillon? He clearly wanted to win and was on a team that refused to spend money, the Falcons had Vick and lots of money to go around. Hall's bad attitude doesn't strike me as the same kind of bad attitude that Dillon had. The rest of their castoffs are almost all cap casualties and good players to begin with, not repeatedly fined disgruntled tools like Hall.
Winning a championship will turn even the most "problem" of players around. The truth about the NFL is that 90% of the players are a pain in the ### in one way or another, and Hall is no different. You have 50+ hyper competitive, over testosteroned human beings who want to win at all costs in each locker room. The only "secret" the Pats have to keeping players in line is that they win, and now the Giants do too.
Hall wasn't a part of the team that won the championship. He doesn't get that benefit of comeraderie that the SB winners on the team have. And although many players are pains in the butt, I think 90% is too high a figure. And even if 90% IS true, Hall is worse than 95% of them. You can't say winning will change a player who didn't actually win.
Yeah, there are too many offensive lineman in the league for the number to be that high.
 
The redskins are always in the mix for every free agent on the market.

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I also think a 1 and a 3 is too much for D.Hall

 
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