RUMOR: Giants trading 1st for DeAngelo Hall (1 Viewer)

[Ramblin Wreck]

The latest rumors I have seen and heard have the price going up to a 1st and a 3rd. Would Giants fans be happy with this? I would not think so.

This one wouldn't.I'd be ok with just the 1st, though.

Latest reports are the skins are also going after hall, so it looks like a first alone won't cut it anymore

Redskins are just driving up the price for NYG, IMO.

 

[Avery]

The latest rumors I have seen and heard have the price going up to a 1st and a 3rd. Would Giants fans be happy with this? I would not think so.

This one wouldn't.I'd be ok with just the 1st, though.

Latest reports are the skins are also going after hall, so it looks like a first alone won't cut it anymore

Redskins are just driving up the price for NYG, IMO.

Not to be derisive, but I'm skeptical that Snyder or the Redskins "brain trust" are adept enough at running a football team to do that.

 

[RC94]

Atlanta then takes the 5 and the 31 and trades them to Miami for the #1 overall to get ryan.

they just the 3rd pick in the draft apparently. #3 and #31 would still work to get #1 i would imagine.why don't the Giants just go after Samuel in FA and keep the pick?

If the Giants are going to spend big money on a CB, which is what it will take to sign Hall to an extension, I would much rather they go after Samuel and keep the 1st round pick than trade for a malcontent like Hall. Samuel will cost a little more, but he is much better and the difference in price won't be so much where it makes going after Hall a better option.

 

[Avery]

Atlanta then takes the 5 and the 31 and trades them to Miami for the #1 overall to get ryan.

they just the 3rd pick in the draft apparently. #3 and #31 would still work to get #1 i would imagine.why don't the Giants just go after Samuel in FA and keep the pick?

If the Giants are going to spend big money on a CB, which is what it will take to sign Hall to an extension, I would much rather they go after Samuel and keep the 1st round pick than trade for a malcontent like Hall. Samuel will cost a little more, but he is much better and the difference in price won't be so much where it makes going after Hall a better option.

Reese was quoted as saying that he thinks that Samuel is much a product of the system and is not worth nearly his asking price... too lazy to link.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

The latest rumors I have seen and heard have the price going up to a 1st and a 3rd. Would Giants fans be happy with this? I would not think so.

This one wouldn't.I'd be ok with just the 1st, though.

Latest reports are the skins are also going after hall, so it looks like a first alone won't cut it anymore

Redskins are just driving up the price for NYG, IMO.

Not to be derisive, but I'm skeptical that Snyder or the Redskins "brain trust" are adept enough at running a football team to do that.

I agree but the point stands, how can they possibly afford him?

 

[Koya]

The latest rumors I have seen and heard have the price going up to a 1st and a 3rd. Would Giants fans be happy with this? I would not think so.

No, too much. Thankfully, the Giants are in a position where they don't have to overpay for anyone, and considering how well the Giants drafted under this regime last year, I'd expect them to (1) be fine sitting still and taking someone at 31 and (2) not wanting to give up additional picks without very good reason.

 

[RC94]

Atlanta then takes the 5 and the 31 and trades them to Miami for the #1 overall to get ryan.

they just the 3rd pick in the draft apparently. #3 and #31 would still work to get #1 i would imagine.why don't the Giants just go after Samuel in FA and keep the pick?

If the Giants are going to spend big money on a CB, which is what it will take to sign Hall to an extension, I would much rather they go after Samuel and keep the 1st round pick than trade for a malcontent like Hall. Samuel will cost a little more, but he is much better and the difference in price won't be so much where it makes going after Hall a better option.

Reese was quoted as saying that he thinks that Samuel is much a product of the system and is not worth nearly his asking price... too lazy to link.

I could agree with that to a certain extent, but I don't think Hall is better than him either way. I would rather keep the pick and sign a good free agent than trade the pick, overspend on an extension for Hall and wind up with an overrated, overpriced head case on the team.

 

[Avery]

Atlanta then takes the 5 and the 31 and trades them to Miami for the #1 overall to get ryan.

they just the 3rd pick in the draft apparently. #3 and #31 would still work to get #1 i would imagine.why don't the Giants just go after Samuel in FA and keep the pick?

If the Giants are going to spend big money on a CB, which is what it will take to sign Hall to an extension, I would much rather they go after Samuel and keep the 1st round pick than trade for a malcontent like Hall. Samuel will cost a little more, but he is much better and the difference in price won't be so much where it makes going after Hall a better option.

Reese was quoted as saying that he thinks that Samuel is much a product of the system and is not worth nearly his asking price... too lazy to link.

I could agree with that to a certain extent, but I don't think Hall is better than him either way. I would rather keep the pick and sign a good free agent than trade the pick, overspend on an extension for Hall and wind up with an overrated, overpriced head case on the team.

It's all well and good for discussion here but to be blunt, it doesn't matter if you and the whole world don't think the Hall is better than Samuel and you would rather keep the pick and sign a good free agent.The fact remains that Reese and the Giants don't feel that way.

I do trust Reese that he will not let himself get carried away and overspend on Hall, at least according to his own assessment of what overspending for Hall is. But you likely don' agree with him on what overspending for Hall would be either.



Edit to add: I may have been technically incorrect in saying that Reese was quoted. For the sake of accuracy, the best I could find is that the Star-Ledger reported Reese's lack of interest in Samuel. As a side note, the Giants are reportedly inquiring about Tufant from Seattle as well.

 

[Avery]

from draft daddy:

The other elite cornerback being shopped here is DeAngelo Hall and it appears there are now about 10 suitors for him. Talks between Atlanta and Detroit have heated up in a Rogers for Hall swap.

All rumor and conjecture at this point, but the more teams that are involved, the more likelihood that some eager GM will overpay.

 

[Dodge]

Reese was quoted as saying that he thinks that Samuel is much a product of the system and is not worth nearly his asking price... too lazy to link.

I read this as well. Can't remember where I found it, but it wasn't a quote but was inferred.

 

[jhib]

Reese was quoted as saying that he thinks that Samuel is much a product of the system and is not worth nearly his asking price... too lazy to link.

I read this as well. Can't remember where I found it, but it wasn't a quote but was inferred.

It's in the original post.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I don't understand where the Giants are going with this, but they did just win a Super Bowl.

 

[Avery]

I don't understand where the Giants are going with this, but they did just win a Super Bowl.

Rumor are they are likely releasing McQuarters and if they get Hall/Trufant, an aging Madison (now 33 year old) is likely to go who has a healthy cap number for next year.That would put them with Hall/Trufant, Ross, Webster and Dockery as their 4 CBs. A very strong group that would allow them a lot of options in their pass rush with four guys who can play man-to-man.

 

[RC94]

Atlanta then takes the 5 and the 31 and trades them to Miami for the #1 overall to get ryan.

they just the 3rd pick in the draft apparently. #3 and #31 would still work to get #1 i would imagine.why don't the Giants just go after Samuel in FA and keep the pick?

If the Giants are going to spend big money on a CB, which is what it will take to sign Hall to an extension, I would much rather they go after Samuel and keep the 1st round pick than trade for a malcontent like Hall. Samuel will cost a little more, but he is much better and the difference in price won't be so much where it makes going after Hall a better option.

Reese was quoted as saying that he thinks that Samuel is much a product of the system and is not worth nearly his asking price... too lazy to link.

I could agree with that to a certain extent, but I don't think Hall is better than him either way. I would rather keep the pick and sign a good free agent than trade the pick, overspend on an extension for Hall and wind up with an overrated, overpriced head case on the team.

It's all well and good for discussion here but to be blunt, it doesn't matter if you and the whole world don't think the Hall is better than Samuel and you would rather keep the pick and sign a good free agent.The fact remains that Reese and the Giants don't feel that way.

I do trust Reese that he will not let himself get carried away and overspend on Hall, at least according to his own assessment of what overspending for Hall is. But you likely don' agree with him on what overspending for Hall would be either.



Edit to add: I may have been technically incorrect in saying that Reese was quoted. For the sake of accuracy, the best I could find is that the Star-Ledger reported Reese's lack of interest in Samuel. As a side note, the Giants are reportedly inquiring about Tufant from Seattle as well.

Do I need to actually say "in my opinion" after every statement? Do you really think Reese reads this and cares what you or I think? I certainly don't. We are having a discussion and I was simply stating my opinion. Believe it or not we are still allowed to do that here.

 

[FTRWRTR]

Trufant was franchised by seattle so he's not going anywhere

 

[Liquid Tension]

Champ Bailey, Dre Bly, Quentin Jammer, Antonio Cromartie, Nnamdi Asomugha, Anthony Henry, Sheldon Brown, Lito Sheppard, Marcus Trufant, Asante Samuel, Antrel Rolle, Jonathan Joseph, Terrence Newman, Nate Clements, Charles Woodson, Charles Tillman, Leigh Bodden, Ike Taylor, Darrelle Revis, Terrence McGee

BetterChamp, Cromartie, Asomugha, Trufant, Clements

Same Class

Jammer, Newman, Woodson, Bodden,

Very Close

Bly, Samuel, Sheppard, Tillman

Worse

Henry, Brown, Taylor, McGee

Too Early to Say

Revis, Rolle, Joseph

People keep saying that Hall gets beat ALL the time, but all CB's get beat. The good ones are usually locked one on one and that is hard to play all the time. Champ Bailey has gotten toasted at times, but we all believe he is one the of the best. If I am the Giants I do the deal.

 

[RC94]

Peter King's take on this: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writ.../combine/1.html

I'm warning you about DeAngelo Hall, Giants. And I'm warning you other suitors: Don't overpay for this man. A good beat guy on the Giants, Mike Garofolo of the Newark Star-Ledger, reports New York is considering trading its first-round pick, 31st overall, for Hall, who wants out of Atlanta so bad he'd walk to East Rutherford.

I can say two good things about Hall: He's a cornerback with guts, and he's only 24 years old. But coaches and some former teammates who've been around him thinks he's an immature risk-taker and not a team guy; I saw him throw some cheap shots in a training-camp brawl two years ago.

In my informal canvassing of personnel people over the last three days, I've gotten some incredulous looks about the report that the Giants might deal a low first-rounder for Hall. The reaction: Tom Coughlin would be playing with fire. Playing with fire is worth it for, say, a low third-rounder. But with the startling success of the G-men last year in the draft -- they drafted eight players, and all not only made the team, but also were active for at least one playoff game in New York's Super Bowl run -- it's much smarter to let your personnel staff find a good-citizen corner with a bright upside.

That would be miles better than to trade for a wiseacre who last year reamed out his head coach on the sideline after taking multiple personal-foul penalties against Carolina. I think Atlanta GM Thomas Dimitroff would be doing well to get a third-rounder for Hall, whose exit is a must for new coach Mike Smith to start fresh with a good locker room.

 

[Avery]

Atlanta then takes the 5 and the 31 and trades them to Miami for the #1 overall to get ryan.

they just the 3rd pick in the draft apparently. #3 and #31 would still work to get #1 i would imagine.why don't the Giants just go after Samuel in FA and keep the pick?

If the Giants are going to spend big money on a CB, which is what it will take to sign Hall to an extension, I would much rather they go after Samuel and keep the 1st round pick than trade for a malcontent like Hall. Samuel will cost a little more, but he is much better and the difference in price won't be so much where it makes going after Hall a better option.

Reese was quoted as saying that he thinks that Samuel is much a product of the system and is not worth nearly his asking price... too lazy to link.

I could agree with that to a certain extent, but I don't think Hall is better than him either way. I would rather keep the pick and sign a good free agent than trade the pick, overspend on an extension for Hall and wind up with an overrated, overpriced head case on the team.

It's all well and good for discussion here but to be blunt, it doesn't matter if you and the whole world don't think the Hall is better than Samuel and you would rather keep the pick and sign a good free agent.The fact remains that Reese and the Giants don't feel that way.

I do trust Reese that he will not let himself get carried away and overspend on Hall, at least according to his own assessment of what overspending for Hall is. But you likely don' agree with him on what overspending for Hall would be either.



Edit to add: I may have been technically incorrect in saying that Reese was quoted. For the sake of accuracy, the best I could find is that the Star-Ledger reported Reese's lack of interest in Samuel. As a side note, the Giants are reportedly inquiring about Tufant from Seattle as well.

Do I need to actually say "in my opinion" after every statement? Do you really think Reese reads this and cares what you or I think? I certainly don't. We are having a discussion and I was simply stating my opinion. Believe it or not we are still allowed to do that here.

Sorry, man.Not trying to quash your right to (semi-)free speech on this board.

Just reiterating that, according to all reports, Samuel is not on the radar for the Giants.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I don't understand where the Giants are going with this, but they did just win a Super Bowl.

Rumor are they are likely releasing McQuarters and if they get Hall/Trufant, an aging Madison (now 33 year old) is likely to go who has a healthy cap number for next year.That would put them with Hall/Trufant, Ross, Webster and Dockery as their 4 CBs. A very strong group that would allow them a lot of options in their pass rush with four guys who can play man-to-man.

Even so, giving up a 1st rounder for him? Didn't we just get done talking about how much better the Giants got after losing locker room distractions in Shockey and Tiki Barber?

 

[Avery]

I don't understand where the Giants are going with this, but they did just win a Super Bowl.

Rumor are they are likely releasing McQuarters and if they get Hall/Trufant, an aging Madison (now 33 year old) is likely to go who has a healthy cap number for next year.That would put them with Hall/Trufant, Ross, Webster and Dockery as their 4 CBs. A very strong group that would allow them a lot of options in their pass rush with four guys who can play man-to-man.

Even so, giving up a 1st rounder for him? Didn't we just get done talking about how much better the Giants got after losing locker room distractions in Shockey and Tiki Barber?

Valid point for concern.Don't forget however, that Strahan was a big problem as well and his contentious relationship with Coughlin lead many Giants fans to call for him to be traded or outright released.Winning can cure a lot, and part of what is reported that Reese likes about Hall is his "passion to win." I'm guessing that they think much of his outspoken behavior is a result of him languishing on a perpetually loosing franchise.

 

[LILB811]

I don't understand where the Giants are going with this, but they did just win a Super Bowl.

Rumor are they are likely releasing McQuarters and if they get Hall/Trufant, an aging Madison (now 33 year old) is likely to go who has a healthy cap number for next year.That would put them with Hall/Trufant, Ross, Webster and Dockery as their 4 CBs. A very strong group that would allow them a lot of options in their pass rush with four guys who can play man-to-man.

Even so, giving up a 1st rounder for him? Didn't we just get done talking about how much better the Giants got after losing locker room distractions in Shockey and Tiki Barber?

Valid point for concern.Don't forget however, that Strahan was a big problem as well and his contentious relationship with Coughlin lead many Giants fans to call for him to be traded or outright released.

Winning can cure a lot, and part of what is reported that Reese likes about Hall is his "passion to win." I'm guessing that they think much of his outspoken behavior is a result of him languishing on a perpetually loosing franchise.

One of my favorite examples of "passion to win"