Rumor: Kolb to AZ (1 Viewer)

[5Rings]

G-king broke this in the Philly thread weeks ago.

First and 3rd or 4th

For those who are speculating AZ would trade their 2012 1st round pick and someone like Wells, the above post should not be ignored.

I like Kolb. Good fit in AZ. The NFC West just got a bit more competitive. I could see the standings reversed in 2011.

 

[moleculo]

Eagles sure are gettin' alot on the basis of a handful of good games.

 

[Lash]

I dont see it happenming. The reason being is what would the Eagles get in return? A first round pick next year? Then why not just hold onto Kolb and trade him for the pick after the season ends. Im sure the Eagles would take Peterson, and im also sure the Cardinals wouldnt take Kolb for Peterson.I bet Kolb remains an Eagle this season.

why would AZ do that?if they don't get a QB they can just pick Luck next year cuz they'll be 2-14 LOLi'm sure PHI would take a 2012 mid 1st for Kolb no question

 

[LHUCKS]

No schtick this time fellas...this is legit.

As for the details, I'm working on it, but I'm assuming there is a reason why I didn't get them the first time.

 

[Joe Summer]

checking in with my cards contacts the internet tomorrow

 

[LHUCKS]

checking in with my cards contacts the internet tomorrow

yep, that's it.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I prefer the Bulger move for Arizona. I think the Kolb trade will not help this team and that 1st could be top 5 again next year. Go with Bulger and let Skelton learn more. IN fact I think Skelton could be a better long term answer than Kolb in the end. Just not impressed with what I have seen from him.

Tough crowd here. Kolb was the first QB in NFL history to throw for 300 yards in his first two starts. That's impressive.

In 2010, Kolb started 4 games (I don't count the week 1 injury or the week 17 starter-depleted lineup): Weeks 4 through 7. Kolb had a HUGE game against the Falcons, but was very pedestrian in the other starts, only throwing 1 TD in each contest and only once breaking 250 yards.I tend to agree with the OP in regards to Kolb's talent level... although I disagree with the premise that Bulger is a better option at this point. The Cardinals need to make this move... they have the ability to win now in a weak division, and they have to keep Fitz happy. I guess I am tempering my enthusiasm at this point from Kolb's 2011 fantasy outlook.Since we don't know details of this impending move, it's fun to speculate.... maybe Kolb to AZ for the 2012 1st and Beanie Wells? PHI seems to love that 2nd power back, and Beanie could be a nice complimentary back to Shady.

Week 4, he came in as a backup. The entire offensive gameplan was set with Michael Vick as the QB. Vick got all the reps in practice. They were all Vick oriented plays.Week 5, he had a 103.3 QB rating and a 67.7% completion percentage and the Eagles controlled the entire game vs. San Fran.Week 6, he was surgical against Atlanta. Week 7, the Eagles were dominating the play until McCoy fumbles on the goalline going in and then for the rest of the game, the defense couldn't stop Kenny Britt. Not Kolb's best game, but he really wasn't to fault for anything that went wrong in that game.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Eagles sure are gettin' alot on the basis of a handful of good games.

see Feeley, AJ

 

[Desert_Power]

The moral of the story kids, upgrade your az players, thank me later

Just moved Rodgers-Cromartie from DB45 to DB43 based on this thread.

While LHUCKS holds steady at DB1

 

[eaglesfan7]

The eagles don't want beanie. They have a stud in McCoy and drafted dion Lewis to take some of the load off of McCoy in relief. If anything it would be for 2012 first rounder and a player (most likely a db).

surely not pat pete and a 3 or 4 right? I would hope not but a buddy of mine (serious Eagles homer) was talking seriously about it and I'm really hoping he's wrong cause I can't stand it when he's right.

Well I'm told it will be a combination of things. If a 2012 first round pick is involved then it won't be Patrick Peterson that we get. I imagine it would be Kolb for a future 1st and another player (not beanie or peterson) or possibly Kolb and a player from our secondary for Peterson without any picks involved.

 

[TheFanatic]

Are the Eagles sending any linemen to help protect Kolb?

 

[Polish Hammer]

The eagles don't want beanie. They have a stud in McCoy and drafted dion Lewis to take some of the load off of McCoy in relief. If anything it would be for 2012 first rounder and a player (most likely a db).

surely not pat pete and a 3 or 4 right? I would hope not but a buddy of mine (serious Eagles homer) was talking seriously about it and I'm really hoping he's wrong cause I can't stand it when he's right.

Well I'm told it will be a combination of things. If a 2012 first round pick is involved then it won't be Patrick Peterson that we get. I imagine it would be Kolb for a future 1st and another player (not beanie or peterson) or possibly Kolb and a player from our secondary for Peterson without any picks involved.

Eaglesfan, do you have inside sources? If so that would be great since we have DH and have (had) G-King. Always interested to hear from folks in the know...

 

[eaglesfan7]

The eagles don't want beanie. They have a stud in McCoy and drafted dion Lewis to take some of the load off of McCoy in relief. If anything it would be for 2012 first rounder and a player (most likely a db).

surely not pat pete and a 3 or 4 right? I would hope not but a buddy of mine (serious Eagles homer) was talking seriously about it and I'm really hoping he's wrong cause I can't stand it when he's right.

Well I'm told it will be a combination of things. If a 2012 first round pick is involved then it won't be Patrick Peterson that we get. I imagine it would be Kolb for a future 1st and another player (not beanie or peterson) or possibly Kolb and a player from our secondary for Peterson without any picks involved.

Eaglesfan, do you have inside sources? If so that would be great since we have DH and have (had) G-King. Always interested to hear from folks in the know...

My brother-in-law is a field manager and event coordinator at Lincoln Financial Field so he hears things here and there but I'm not allowed to quote anything he tells me. At least that's what he tells me.

 

[ImTheScientist]

checking in with my cards contacts the internet tomorrow

yep, that's it.

Cool, let me know when rotoworld posts it.

 

[FUBAR]

I prefer the Bulger move for Arizona. I think the Kolb trade will not help this team and that 1st could be top 5 again next year. Go with Bulger and let Skelton learn more. IN fact I think Skelton could be a better long term answer than Kolb in the end. Just not impressed with what I have seen from him.

Dont agree with this at all. Bulger is old and damaged goods. He hasnt been right for four years. Arizona made the right picks at all glaring holes except QB in the draft. Az now have three talented rbs (I know some will argue wells and hightower have their issues but the depth is there now), Fitz is a stud and the supporting cast is solid. They drafted a large, athletic TE which should open up things a bit for the passing game. Peterson is an immediate upgrade on D. They got some LB help to go with Washington from last year. If they land a qb, I see no possible way they are looking at a top 5 pick in 2012. I think seattle is the bottom of the NFC west, with AZ SF and Stl fighting for the top spot. Kolb would be a massive upgrade over anyone rostered in 2010. He can deliver the ball to fitz (finally) and the rest of the team.

meh, it's not so much that Kolb is worse than Bulger or Skelton, but if it's my team I prefer the Bulger/Skelton combo and the picks that it would take to get Kolb. of course, I could be completely wrong.

 

[JetMaxx]

No schtick this time fellas...this is legit.As for the details, I'm working on it, but I'm assuming there is a reason why I didn't get them the first time.

A simple PM to G-King will surely provide all the details you need. Let us know what you find out.

 

[Yenrub]

No schtick this time fellas...this is legit.As for the details, I'm working on it, but I'm assuming there is a reason why I didn't get them the first time.

A simple PM to G-King will surely provide all the details you need. Let us know what you find out.

Are the teams allowed to get down to details during the lockout?

 

[Insein]

Seriously, G-King had this a month ago in the PHI thread.

No way Fitz is traded; he is the reason Kolb will be joining his Cardinals. Draft picks will be moved, not the player who is lobbying hardest for him.

 

[MDSkinner]

No schtick this time fellas...this is legit.

As for the details, I'm working on it, but I'm assuming there is a reason why I didn't get them the first time.

Some details from the G-King post a week ago.Philly Thread

 

[Crippler]

I prefer the Bulger move for Arizona. I think the Kolb trade will not help this team and that 1st could be top 5 again next year. Go with Bulger and let Skelton learn more. IN fact I think Skelton could be a better long term answer than Kolb in the end. Just not impressed with what I have seen from him.

Dont agree with this at all. Bulger is old and damaged goods. He hasnt been right for four years. Arizona made the right picks at all glaring holes except QB in the draft. Az now have three talented rbs (I know some will argue wells and hightower have their issues but the depth is there now), Fitz is a stud and the supporting cast is solid. They drafted a large, athletic TE which should open up things a bit for the passing game. Peterson is an immediate upgrade on D. They got some LB help to go with Washington from last year. If they land a qb, I see no possible way they are looking at a top 5 pick in 2012. I think seattle is the bottom of the NFC west, with AZ SF and Stl fighting for the top spot. Kolb would be a massive upgrade over anyone rostered in 2010. He can deliver the ball to fitz (finally) and the rest of the team.

meh, it's not so much that Kolb is worse than Bulger or Skelton, but if it's my team I prefer the Bulger/Skelton combo and the picks that it would take to get Kolb. of course, I could be completely wrong.

Add in the huge contract that he wants also

 

[kylechoffman]

I prefer the Bulger move for Arizona. I think the Kolb trade will not help this team and that 1st could be top 5 again next year. Go with Bulger and let Skelton learn more. IN fact I think Skelton could be a better long term answer than Kolb in the end. Just not impressed with what I have seen from him.

Dont agree with this at all. Bulger is old and damaged goods. He hasnt been right for four years. Arizona made the right picks at all glaring holes except QB in the draft. Az now have three talented rbs (I know some will argue wells and hightower have their issues but the depth is there now), Fitz is a stud and the supporting cast is solid. They drafted a large, athletic TE which should open up things a bit for the passing game. Peterson is an immediate upgrade on D. They got some LB help to go with Washington from last year. If they land a qb, I see no possible way they are looking at a top 5 pick in 2012. I think seattle is the bottom of the NFC west, with AZ SF and Stl fighting for the top spot. Kolb would be a massive upgrade over anyone rostered in 2010. He can deliver the ball to fitz (finally) and the rest of the team.

meh, it's not so much that Kolb is worse than Bulger or Skelton, but if it's my team I prefer the Bulger/Skelton combo and the picks that it would take to get Kolb. of course, I could be completely wrong.

Add in the huge contract that he wants also

Not disagreeing with the cost involved. He will not come cheap but does anyone have AZ cap figures? Would going all in on Kolb hose them in the future at other positions? Im not an AZ fan nor do I follow them but if his contract wont bankrupt the team in terms of other positions in the future, I would go after him as my #1 FA priority. He has shown you that he can be the QB for your franchise in enough ways, more than an old has-been and an unproven rostered qb.

 

[eaglesfan7]

I prefer the Bulger move for Arizona. I think the Kolb trade will not help this team and that 1st could be top 5 again next year. Go with Bulger and let Skelton learn more. IN fact I think Skelton could be a better long term answer than Kolb in the end. Just not impressed with what I have seen from him.

Dont agree with this at all. Bulger is old and damaged goods. He hasnt been right for four years. Arizona made the right picks at all glaring holes except QB in the draft. Az now have three talented rbs (I know some will argue wells and hightower have their issues but the depth is there now), Fitz is a stud and the supporting cast is solid. They drafted a large, athletic TE which should open up things a bit for the passing game. Peterson is an immediate upgrade on D. They got some LB help to go with Washington from last year. If they land a qb, I see no possible way they are looking at a top 5 pick in 2012. I think seattle is the bottom of the NFC west, with AZ SF and Stl fighting for the top spot. Kolb would be a massive upgrade over anyone rostered in 2010. He can deliver the ball to fitz (finally) and the rest of the team.

meh, it's not so much that Kolb is worse than Bulger or Skelton, but if it's my team I prefer the Bulger/Skelton combo and the picks that it would take to get Kolb. of course, I could be completely wrong.

Add in the huge contract that he wants also

High first round picks demand big contracts anyway. It's not that much of a difference. And I'd rather give money to a skill player than someone who may not a significant impact. Patrick Peterson will get huge money. Who you kidding?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I prefer the Bulger move for Arizona. I think the Kolb trade will not help this team and that 1st could be top 5 again next year. Go with Bulger and let Skelton learn more. IN fact I think Skelton could be a better long term answer than Kolb in the end. Just not impressed with what I have seen from him.

Dont agree with this at all. Bulger is old and damaged goods. He hasnt been right for four years. Arizona made the right picks at all glaring holes except QB in the draft. Az now have three talented rbs (I know some will argue wells and hightower have their issues but the depth is there now), Fitz is a stud and the supporting cast is solid. They drafted a large, athletic TE which should open up things a bit for the passing game. Peterson is an immediate upgrade on D. They got some LB help to go with Washington from last year. If they land a qb, I see no possible way they are looking at a top 5 pick in 2012. I think seattle is the bottom of the NFC west, with AZ SF and Stl fighting for the top spot. Kolb would be a massive upgrade over anyone rostered in 2010. He can deliver the ball to fitz (finally) and the rest of the team.

meh, it's not so much that Kolb is worse than Bulger or Skelton, but if it's my team I prefer the Bulger/Skelton combo and the picks that it would take to get Kolb. of course, I could be completely wrong.

Add in the huge contract that he wants also

High first round picks demand big contracts anyway. It's not that much of a difference. And I'd rather give money to a skill player than someone who may not a significant impact. Patrick Peterson will get huge money. Who you kidding?

depends on the whole rookie wage scale thing.

 

[massraider]

It's a done deal? The Cards are trading for a player with one year left on his deal? I don't think that's very bright.

 

[renesauz]

It's a done deal? The Cards are trading for a player with one year left on his deal? I don't think that's very bright.

Trades like this often have conditionals put in requiring an extension. You can bet that Kolb himself is involved in the process (lockout or not) to at least a small degree.

 

[Lehigh98]

Eagles sure are gettin' alot on the basis of a handful of good games.

Yeah, KK steps right in for ARI while the Eagles have to wait a whole year to guess at a guy or two with no NFL experience that won't have played any games. And you know how good they've been with those draft picks lately.

 

[massraider]

It's a done deal? The Cards are trading for a player with one year left on his deal? I don't think that's very bright.

Trades like this often have conditionals put in requiring an extension. You can bet that Kolb himself is involved in the process (lockout or not) to at least a small degree.

Yeah, I can bet against that actually.During a lockout, when no contact is allowed, not only has Kolb made contact, he has also agreed to an extension?Does that sound feasible to you?

 

[LHUCKS]

It's a done deal? The Cards are trading for a player with one year left on his deal? I don't think that's very bright.

Word on the street is that Fitz is threatening to leave if the situation isn't fixed right away...and I don't blame him.

 

[bweiser]

If we're really getting peterson that would be awesome. i don't care if the cards don't want to include anyone else. i'd trade kolb for peterson straight. but that's just me.

 

[LHUCKS]

It's a done deal? The Cards are trading for a player with one year left on his deal? I don't think that's very bright.

Trades like this often have conditionals put in requiring an extension. You can bet that Kolb himself is involved in the process (lockout or not) to at least a small degree.

Yeah, I can bet against that actually.During a lockout, when no contact is allowed, not only has Kolb made contact, he has also agreed to an extension?Does that sound feasible to you?

details were likely worked out prior to lockout I would guess.

 

[JetMaxx]

I think its safe to assume that Kolb gets an extension at the completion of the trade.

 

[eaglesfan7]

Kolb would obviously get a deal if he accepts a trade to AZ. Think my friend...

 

[renesauz]

It's a done deal? The Cards are trading for a player with one year left on his deal? I don't think that's very bright.

Trades like this often have conditionals put in requiring an extension. You can bet that Kolb himself is involved in the process (lockout or not) to at least a small degree.

Yeah, I can bet against that actually.During a lockout, when no contact is allowed, not only has Kolb made contact, he has also agreed to an extension?Does that sound feasible to you?

Really? And this whole thing has only happened since the lockout was put in place? Nobody talked to Kevin right before the draft and asked him, "Hey, would you be willing to sign an extension with us in the 7 or 8 million $$ area? We'd love to have you play in 'Zona, but we'll have to work out the details later." Philly and 'Zona were'nt discussing this possibility MONTHS ago? Kolb didn't know this was possible MONTHS ago? Sorry...you're the one being unrealistic here.Yes, it sounds perfectly feasible to me. Nobody's suggesting that all the details are worked out, but there's been plenty of opportunity to feel out the player. And that's assuming NOBODY violated the lockout (which is not IMHO, a reasonable assumption either. I gaurentee some players anc coaches have talked!)

 

[Routilla]

If AZ ships a 1st for KK then every Eagles fan must be salivating. Feel sorry for the Cards if they are going to forego a future 1st rounder for Kolb. I would offer no more than a 3rd. If he was worth a 1st he would have taken the pass happy job in Philly and Vick would not have seen the field.

 

[eaglesfan7]

If we're really getting peterson that would be awesome. i don't care if the cards don't want to include anyone else. i'd trade kolb for peterson straight. but that's just me.

This is how my dream is played out.

 

[renesauz]

If AZ ships a 1st for KK then every Eagles fan must be salivating. Feel sorry for the Cards if they are going to forego a future 1st rounder for Kolb. I would offer no more than a 3rd. If he was worth a 1st he would have taken the pass happy job in Philly and Vick would not have seen the field.

Vick was a legit MVP candidate, and a former #1 pick, but Kolb must suck because he couldn't beat him out with all of 4 starts under his own belt?

 

[eaglesfan7]

If AZ ships a 1st for KK then every Eagles fan must be salivating. Feel sorry for the Cards if they are going to forego a future 1st rounder for Kolb. I would offer no more than a 3rd. If he was worth a 1st he would have taken the pass happy job in Philly and Vick would not have seen the field.

He was hurt and Vick got on the field. End of story.

 

[eaglesfan7]

On 97.5 the Fanatic Andy Reid just denied any deal is or has been on the table for Kolb. He probably has to say that though.

 

[Polish Hammer]

On 97.5 the Fanatic Andy Reid just denied any deal is or has been on the table for Kolb. He probably has to say that though.

Of course he has to deny something is in place. Did he deny that discussions took place? If he admits to discussions but not a finalized deal, that would drive the price up, correct?BTW, I don't think it will happen but would be thrilled with Kolb for Peterson (though that would be tempered by whatever other player we'd need to throw in to make it happen).

 

[JetMaxx]

If AZ ships a 1st for KK then every Eagles fan must be salivating. Feel sorry for the Cards if they are going to forego a future 1st rounder for Kolb. I would offer no more than a 3rd. If he was worth a 1st he would have taken the pass happy job in Philly and Vick would not have seen the field.

He played 20 mins of 1 game before he was lost to injury. He came back later in the year and won player of the week honors in 1 of his 2 starts, against playoff bound ATL no less. AZ is doing very well getting a game ready starter for a couple of picks.

 

[Routilla]

If AZ ships a 1st for KK then every Eagles fan must be salivating. Feel sorry for the Cards if they are going to forego a future 1st rounder for Kolb. I would offer no more than a 3rd. If he was worth a 1st he would have taken the pass happy job in Philly and Vick would not have seen the field.

He was hurt and Vick got on the field. End of story.

Kolb sucks, end of story. But again, I would be all over fleecing AZ for a 1st rounder if I was a Philly fan.

 

[Lehigh98]

If AZ ships a 1st for KK then every Eagles fan must be salivating.

Would have preferred the pick(s) this year than waiting a year but what can you do?

Feel sorry for the Cards if they are going to forego a future 1st rounder for Kolb.

Did you see the QB's that went in the first this year?

I would offer no more than a 3rd.

Ok but don't bother, you wouldn't get a call back.

 

[Lehigh98]

If AZ ships a 1st for KK then every Eagles fan must be salivating. Feel sorry for the Cards if they are going to forego a future 1st rounder for Kolb. I would offer no more than a 3rd. If he was worth a 1st he would have taken the pass happy job in Philly and Vick would not have seen the field.

He was hurt and Vick got on the field. End of story.

Kolb sucks, end of story.

Ok, looks like we're done here then... SHUT IT DOWN!

 

[Routilla]

Forgot to mention I am a Cowboys fan and would rather not see PHI load up on extra picks. Carry on.

 

[theglorydays]

I don't see how Kolb is worth a first rounder. Any team willing to give up a first rounder for Kolb is making a huge mistake.

 

[TheFanatic]

Forgot to mention I am a Cowboys fan and would rather not see PHI load up on extra picks. Carry on.

Maybe you shouldn't have unforgotten to tell us. Or maybe you can tell us how this impacts your FFB team personally.

 

[Jason Wood]

We're not getting Patrick Peterson back for Kolb fellas...but the 2012 1st and something extra? Yeah, I see that as the baseline for what will come once a deal is finally consummated.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Rotoworld is now reporting Lhucks rumor.

Coach Andy Reid is denying reports that he has an offer on the table for Kevin Kolb.It's exactly what we'd expect Reid to say, considering teams aren't technically allowed to talk trade during the lockout. His history suggests he has a hard time telling the truth on his QB situation, though. We've seen several internet rumors suggesting the Cardinals and Eagles have already agreed to the parameters of a Kolb deal. As is the case with all ambiguous trade rumors, skepticism is advised.

 

[Routilla]

Forgot to mention I am a Cowboys fan and would rather not see PHI load up on extra picks. Carry on.

Maybe you shouldn't have unforgotten to tell us. Or maybe you can tell us how this impacts your FFB team personally.

I have Vick and Charles and can keep 1. Since I missed the playoffs and won the toilet bowl I get the first pick so this is likely my first 2 players for 2011. I just don't want to see a desperate AZ team mortgage their future chasing after the ghost of Kurt Warner. I know KK is not it. I had hoped he would be the starter long enough for PHI to let Vick go. But here we are and Vick has several dual threat years left in him IMO. I'm sure anyone can relate to my view when a divisional opponent of your favorite team stands to upgrade quickly due to a trade of a player you don't even want. Fair enough? Again, I would want this trade to go down ASAP if I were a Philly fan.

 

[Insein]

On 97.5 the Fanatic Andy Reid just denied any deal is or has been on the table for Kolb. He probably has to say that though.

Oh then its definitely off then.

Kevin Kolb is the starter when he's healthy.