Rumor: Kolb to AZ (1 Viewer)

[humpback]

He absolutely has a choice- he can holdout and say "I'm not reporting unless you up my deal or trade me". I think there's a zero percent chance that Kolb stays on the Eagles as a back up at his current contract. That deal was structured that way because it was the only way to get around the 30% raise rule- it wasn't so they could lock him up for a tiny salary for this year.

Regardless, even if you think that's the number he'll play for, keeping Kolb and signing a guy like Taylor is still going to be much more expensive than trading him for DRC.

 

[humpback]

Do you think he's going to play for that?

He absolutely, 100% would. He would play for it, wait for a Vick injury to further showcase his talent, then be a FA next year, and choose his city and contract. What do you think he would do, holdout? The backup QB, holding out? Never happen.

Or, he could effectively choose his city and contract this year, which he has basically done. Don't forget, they could franchise him next year as well. You think he's going to risk injury and ruining his big payday by playing for $1.4 MM?

 

[Jason Wood]

He absolutely has a choice- he can holdout and say "I'm not reporting unless you up my deal or trade me". I think there's a zero percent chance that Kolb stays on the Eagles as a back up at his current contract. That deal was structured that way because it was the only way to get around the 30% raise rule- it wasn't so they could lock him up for a tiny salary for this year.Regardless, even if you think that's the number he'll play for, keeping Kolb and signing a guy like Taylor is still going to be much more expensive than trading him for DRC.

You honestly don't know what you're talking about. Kolb has said REPEATEDLY that he'll play for the Eagles this year if that's what they decide, but that he views himself as a starter and would rather have that opportunity. Additionally, if he sat out (which he wouldn't), the Eagles would retain his rights next year, putting him back in the same boat of either being traded, playing for $1.4 million, or sitting out.

 

[baconisgood]

To those making the argument that Arizona shouldn't feel compelled to pay a lot for Kolb because of alternatives out there, please recognize that your views on Kolb then don't match Arizona's. If they do in fact trade for Kolb as seems likely, it's because they think he's a franchise prospect, which none of the other options are close to (either because they're well past their primes - Bulger, McNabb, Hasselbeck, or just not skilled enough - Orton, Young). Arizona endured one of the worst QB situations in modern memory last year, and many felt that was the one thing keeping them from winning a very winnable division. While I'm not personally sold on Kolb as an elite starter, it's not about what I think, it's about what the Cardinals front office thinks. Kolb is the only real shot this offseason at hitting the QB lottery. Not saying it'll be a winning ticket, but it's the only guy they can get that would at least project as a star if things fell right.

Even if he is not elite and he was just as good as, say, Orton then they still have a good chance of winning the division. Obviously if you pay the higher price for Kolb instead of Orton its because you think his ceiling is higher but if you are reasonably sure he has a decent floor then he will definitely add more wins than DRC over his tenure.

 

[Jason Wood]

To those making the argument that Arizona shouldn't feel compelled to pay a lot for Kolb because of alternatives out there, please recognize that your views on Kolb then don't match Arizona's. If they do in fact trade for Kolb as seems likely, it's because they think he's a franchise prospect, which none of the other options are close to (either because they're well past their primes - Bulger, McNabb, Hasselbeck, or just not skilled enough - Orton, Young). Arizona endured one of the worst QB situations in modern memory last year, and many felt that was the one thing keeping them from winning a very winnable division. While I'm not personally sold on Kolb as an elite starter, it's not about what I think, it's about what the Cardinals front office thinks. Kolb is the only real shot this offseason at hitting the QB lottery. Not saying it'll be a winning ticket, but it's the only guy they can get that would at least project as a star if things fell right.

Even if he is not elite and he was just as good as, say, Orton then they still have a good chance of winning the division. Obviously if you pay the higher price for Kolb instead of Orton its because you think his ceiling is higher but if you are reasonably sure he has a decent floor then he will definitely add more wins than DRC over his tenure.

Personally I think Kolb has a higher ceiling AND a lower floor than Orton. That's kind of Orton's problem in this whole mix. He too (according to Cecil, who covers Denver football as closely as anyone for a living) wants to be a starter this year and believes he shouldn't be a backup under any situation. Yet, he's a guy that the league HAS seen a lot of film on and has now seen him be deemed replaceable in two cities. I think Arizona could win with Orton, but I don't know if Arizona believes that. The problem with signing Orton though is you also get the sense people don't see greatness out of him, and it's hard for a team to give a QB a big extension without at least the possibility of greatness.

 

[humpback]

He absolutely has a choice- he can holdout and say "I'm not reporting unless you up my deal or trade me". I think there's a zero percent chance that Kolb stays on the Eagles as a back up at his current contract. That deal was structured that way because it was the only way to get around the 30% raise rule- it wasn't so they could lock him up for a tiny salary for this year.Regardless, even if you think that's the number he'll play for, keeping Kolb and signing a guy like Taylor is still going to be much more expensive than trading him for DRC.

You honestly don't know what you're talking about. Kolb has said REPEATEDLY that he'll play for the Eagles this year if that's what they decide, but that he views himself as a starter and would rather have that opportunity. Additionally, if he sat out (which he wouldn't), the Eagles would retain his rights next year, putting him back in the same boat of either being traded, playing for $1.4 million, or sitting out.

Yeah, okay. You're 100% correct, I know nothing.Do you admit that keeping him at that contract and signing a big time FA like Taylor would be much more expensive than dealing Kolb for DRC (leave out the part that they'll probably get more than straight up), or am I wrong again?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

To those making the argument that Arizona shouldn't feel compelled to pay a lot for Kolb because of alternatives out there, please recognize that your views on Kolb then don't match Arizona's. If they do in fact trade for Kolb as seems likely, it's because they think he's a franchise prospect, which none of the other options are close to (either because they're well past their primes - Bulger, McNabb, Hasselbeck, or just not skilled enough - Orton, Young).

You're assumption though starts with the premise that they would be willing to over-pay for Kolb (if they do) and while there's been rampant speculation that Kolb will be shipped to Arizona (and I do beleive it), my only point was that the Eagles better be careful not to push too far, since Arizona does have other options. They also really like Kyle Orton from what I hear. And those stop gap options would not preclude them from drafting a QB next year in order to have a long term franchise QB - and there are more good prospects than just Luck (who is in a universe all of his own).What skills does Kolb possess that Orton doesn't? - since you said Orton lacks the skills to be a franchise QB. I think they are pretty similiar QBs and Orton is only 28 so he has plenty of years left in his career. I don't think either Orton or Kolb will be elite QBs, but I do think both can be very effective NFL QBs that can help their team win.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

To those making the argument that Arizona shouldn't feel compelled to pay a lot for Kolb because of alternatives out there, please recognize that your views on Kolb then don't match Arizona's. If they do in fact trade for Kolb as seems likely, it's because they think he's a franchise prospect, which none of the other options are close to (either because they're well past their primes - Bulger, McNabb, Hasselbeck, or just not skilled enough - Orton, Young).

You're assumption though starts with the premise that they would be willing to over-pay for Kolb (if they do) and while there's been rampant speculation that Kolb will be shipped to Arizona (and I do beleive it), my only point was that the Eagles better be careful not to push too far, since Arizona does have other options. They also really like Kyle Orton from what I hear. And those stop gap options would not preclude them from drafting a QB next year in order to have a long term franchise QB - and there are more good prospects than just Luck (who is in a universe all of his own).What skills does Kolb possess that Orton doesn't? - since you said Orton lacks the skills to be a franchise QB. I think they are pretty similiar QBs and Orton is only 28 so he has plenty of years left in his career. I don't think either Orton or Kolb will be elite QBs, but I do think both can be very effective NFL QBs that can help their team win.

I would wager that the deal has been complete for some time now.

 

[Amused to Death]

I would wager that the deal has been complete for some time now.

Yup. Since May it seems. Verified on the Kolb side by Kev...er, G-King, and on the Cards side by LHUCKS' contact. And Schefter even talked about a deal earlier this week that "hypothetically" could be Cromartie + pick.

 

[cacksman]

He absolutely has a choice- he can holdout and say "I'm not reporting unless you up my deal or trade me". I think there's a zero percent chance that Kolb stays on the Eagles as a back up at his current contract. That deal was structured that way because it was the only way to get around the 30% raise rule- it wasn't so they could lock him up for a tiny salary for this year.Regardless, even if you think that's the number he'll play for, keeping Kolb and signing a guy like Taylor is still going to be much more expensive than trading him for DRC.

Haha what exactly would his leverage be? I'm going to hold out and not hold the clip board for you this season unless you pay me a ton of money to do so? This is not like vincent jackson's scenario last year.

 

[Lehigh98]

He absolutely has a choice- he can holdout and say "I'm not reporting unless you up my deal or trade me". I think there's a zero percent chance that Kolb stays on the Eagles as a back up at his current contract. That deal was structured that way because it was the only way to get around the 30% raise rule- it wasn't so they could lock him up for a tiny salary for this year.Regardless, even if you think that's the number he'll play for, keeping Kolb and signing a guy like Taylor is still going to be much more expensive than trading him for DRC.

You honestly don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

To those making the argument that Arizona shouldn't feel compelled to pay a lot for Kolb because of alternatives out there, please recognize that your views on Kolb then don't match Arizona's. If they do in fact trade for Kolb as seems likely, it's because they think he's a franchise prospect, which none of the other options are close to (either because they're well past their primes - Bulger, McNabb, Hasselbeck, or just not skilled enough - Orton, Young).

You're assumption though starts with the premise that they would be willing to over-pay for Kolb (if they do) and while there's been rampant speculation that Kolb will be shipped to Arizona (and I do beleive it), my only point was that the Eagles better be careful not to push too far, since Arizona does have other options. They also really like Kyle Orton from what I hear. And those stop gap options would not preclude them from drafting a QB next year in order to have a long term franchise QB - and there are more good prospects than just Luck (who is in a universe all of his own).What skills does Kolb possess that Orton doesn't? - since you said Orton lacks the skills to be a franchise QB. I think they are pretty similiar QBs and Orton is only 28 so he has plenty of years left in his career. I don't think either Orton or Kolb will be elite QBs, but I do think both can be very effective NFL QBs that can help their team win.

I would wager that the deal has been complete for some time now.

I'd say so:

Appearing on ESPN Radio Thursday, ESPN's Sal Paolantonio reported that Kevin Kolb is already looking at real estate in Arizona.

Kolb seemed convinced he'd be traded to the Cardinals on a recent Dan Patrick Show appearance, so it's not surprising that he's already perusing the real estate market. The obvious stumbling block to a Kolb-Cardinals trade is the amount of compensation. It's expected to include Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and a draft pick, and Arizona will also have to fork over a long-term deal at least in the Matt Cassel range (six years, $63 million).

I'm just not sure if the total compensation has been worked out.

 

[humpback]

He absolutely has a choice- he can holdout and say "I'm not reporting unless you up my deal or trade me". I think there's a zero percent chance that Kolb stays on the Eagles as a back up at his current contract. That deal was structured that way because it was the only way to get around the 30% raise rule- it wasn't so they could lock him up for a tiny salary for this year.Regardless, even if you think that's the number he'll play for, keeping Kolb and signing a guy like Taylor is still going to be much more expensive than trading him for DRC.

Haha what exactly would his leverage be? I'm going to hold out and not hold the clip board for you this season unless you pay me a ton of money to do so? This is not like vincent jackson's scenario last year.

Okay, let's use your logic then. If he's only going to hold the clip board for them, then they should be willing to deal him for whatever they can get, correct? Why would a clip board holder be worth much at all?You guys can't have it both ways- if they value him, then he has leverage. If they want to maximize his trade value, then he has leverage. I'm not saying he holds all of the cards and they have to just do whatever he wants, but to say he has no leverage is just plain wrong. He absolutely has some.Anytime anyone wants to address the main point of my original post, that keeping him and signing Taylor would be a much more expensive option (regardless of Kolb's contract), feel free.

 

[G-King]

The Cards will not trade Cromartie, they will trade for Orton before that happens.

What do you think Whiz thinks about that? They WILL trade Cromartie.

 

[cacksman]

He absolutely has a choice- he can holdout and say "I'm not reporting unless you up my deal or trade me". I think there's a zero percent chance that Kolb stays on the Eagles as a back up at his current contract. That deal was structured that way because it was the only way to get around the 30% raise rule- it wasn't so they could lock him up for a tiny salary for this year.Regardless, even if you think that's the number he'll play for, keeping Kolb and signing a guy like Taylor is still going to be much more expensive than trading him for DRC.

Haha what exactly would his leverage be? I'm going to hold out and not hold the clip board for you this season unless you pay me a ton of money to do so? This is not like vincent jackson's scenario last year.

Okay, let's use your logic then. If he's only going to hold the clip board for them, then they should be willing to deal him for whatever they can get, correct? Why would a clip board holder be worth much at all?You guys can't have it both ways- if they value him, then he has leverage. If they want to maximize his trade value, then he has leverage. I'm not saying he holds all of the cards and they have to just do whatever he wants, but to say he has no leverage is just plain wrong. He absolutely has some.Anytime anyone wants to address the main point of my original post, that keeping him and signing Taylor would be a much more expensive option (regardless of Kolb's contract), feel free.

So you will say he'll hold out and force the eagles to pay him a large contact at the chance vick gets hurt? Thats laughable. Kolb will not hold out sup this is a moot point.

 

[Kruppe]

He absolutely has a choice- he can holdout and say "I'm not reporting unless you up my deal or trade me". I think there's a zero percent chance that Kolb stays on the Eagles as a back up at his current contract. That deal was structured that way because it was the only way to get around the 30% raise rule- it wasn't so they could lock him up for a tiny salary for this year.Regardless, even if you think that's the number he'll play for, keeping Kolb and signing a guy like Taylor is still going to be much more expensive than trading him for DRC.

Haha what exactly would his leverage be? I'm going to hold out and not hold the clip board for you this season unless you pay me a ton of money to do so? This is not like vincent jackson's scenario last year.

Okay, let's use your logic then. If he's only going to hold the clip board for them, then they should be willing to deal him for whatever they can get, correct? Why would a clip board holder be worth much at all?You guys can't have it both ways- if they value him, then he has leverage. If they want to maximize his trade value, then he has leverage. I'm not saying he holds all of the cards and they have to just do whatever he wants, but to say he has no leverage is just plain wrong. He absolutely has some.Anytime anyone wants to address the main point of my original post, that keeping him and signing Taylor would be a much more expensive option (regardless of Kolb's contract), feel free.

The main point is he will get traded. They will not keep him. Whether or not they get DRC, Kolb is gone. Too many people with a lot more knowledge of the situation than you or me have stated it as a foregone conclusion. But to your point, if I understand you right, you are correct; keeping him and signing another CB will be more expensive than trading him away for DRC. Kolb's salary plus hypothetical CB's salary will add up to more than DRC's salary. If that is your point, you are correct that the Eagles will spend more money on 2 players than 1. What point are you trying to make other than that?

 

[Eminence]

Any questions?

I've read it could be Beanie Wells and a pick for Kolb. What would you think about that?

Considering that the Cardinals drafted a RB in the second-round of the draft this year with Hightower and Wells both in the mix, it makes sense from their side. I however don't see it make any sense from the Eagles side. Why would they show any interest when:1.) Wells is not a pass-catching back which is VERY important in that offense.

2.) Philly already has STUD RB in McCoy.

3.) Wells has the stigma of being an injury-prone fumbler.

As a Cardinals fan, I'd be licking my chops at that trade but that's about as realistic as us sending DRC over.

Everyone acts like the Eagles have some type of leverage. The Cardinals have PLENTY of QBs to after:

Kyle Orton

Donovan McNaab

Matt Hasselbeck

Vince Young

Marc Bulger

Any questions?

None of those QB are potential franchise QB's though. A Franchise QB can completely turn a franchise around, and the Cardinals saw how St Louis did after getting one (and getting RID of Marc Bulger). Kolb may not turn out to be any better, but he's got more potential then anyone out there, and that is a risk teams want to take. That's why QB's almost always go 1.1 if the drafting team need one. Even if there is a better 'football player' out there, the QB position is the most valuable one.

I'm not saying that the Cardinals aren't going to trade for Kolb, the compensation won't be DRC or any king's ransom for that matter. It would be in their best interest to:1.) Keep DRC.

2.) Keep their 1st-Round pick.

If Philly demands either of those two, expect the Cardinals to acquire a different veteran QB. If that veteran Quarterback fails and gives the Cardinals a Top-5 expect one thing:

Andrew Luck

The Cards will not trade Cromartie, they will trade for Orton before that happens.

What do you think Whiz thinks about that?They WILL trade Cromartie.

Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt said Wednesday that no one on the roster is untouchable.http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2011/07/20/20110720ken-whisenhunt-cardinals-trading-qb-no-one-untouchable.html#ixzz1SgAmto7Q

Why do you say that with such confidence? You just listen to what the dirtsheets are saying. A while back the 'experts' were saying it was going to be a 1st and a 3rd/4th and you posted:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=591101&st=0&p=13129116entry13129116

Then they started saying it was going to be a 1st rounder AND a player:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=591101&st=150&p=13180206entry13180206

The FIRST TIME you mentioned anything about Cromartie was yesterday AFTER every news site was preaching that same idea. Had you posted an unambiguous post regarding the whole thing I'd be inclined to believe you have some kind of 'insider info'. Until then I'm left to believe you're just cold reading.

Did you introduce the idea of Kolb to Arizona on this forum? Yes, but since then every post you've made has been equally ambiguous. I've written a detailed summary WHY it makes no sense for AZ to pay a king's ransom:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=591101&view=findpost&p=13344467

Which you chose to ignore so you wouldn't have to fight an argument based on logic.

 

[humpback]

He absolutely has a choice- he can holdout and say "I'm not reporting unless you up my deal or trade me". I think there's a zero percent chance that Kolb stays on the Eagles as a back up at his current contract. That deal was structured that way because it was the only way to get around the 30% raise rule- it wasn't so they could lock him up for a tiny salary for this year.Regardless, even if you think that's the number he'll play for, keeping Kolb and signing a guy like Taylor is still going to be much more expensive than trading him for DRC.

Haha what exactly would his leverage be? I'm going to hold out and not hold the clip board for you this season unless you pay me a ton of money to do so? This is not like vincent jackson's scenario last year.

Okay, let's use your logic then. If he's only going to hold the clip board for them, then they should be willing to deal him for whatever they can get, correct? Why would a clip board holder be worth much at all?You guys can't have it both ways- if they value him, then he has leverage. If they want to maximize his trade value, then he has leverage. I'm not saying he holds all of the cards and they have to just do whatever he wants, but to say he has no leverage is just plain wrong. He absolutely has some.Anytime anyone wants to address the main point of my original post, that keeping him and signing Taylor would be a much more expensive option (regardless of Kolb's contract), feel free.

The main point is he will get traded. They will not keep him. Whether or not they get DRC, Kolb is gone. Too many people with a lot more knowledge of the situation than you or me have stated it as a foregone conclusion. But to your point, if I understand you right, you are correct; keeping him and signing another CB will be more expensive than trading him away for DRC. Kolb's salary plus hypothetical CB's salary will add up to more than DRC's salary. If that is your point, you are correct that the Eagles will spend more money on 2 players than 1. What point are you trying to make other than that?

My original response was post #242- someone asked why the Eagles would trade Kolb for DRC straight up when they could just keep him and sign a guy like Taylor. I repsonded by saying money is one reason why the Eagles might make that trade. In that post I also said that Kolb would have a monster contract for a back-up QB, and that's when all heck broke lose.I completely agree, I think it's a near certainty that Kolb is dealt. I only responded to give my opinion why the deal for DRC may make sense for the Eagles as well. I still firmly believe that Kolb absolutely has options and some leverage in the situation, but we've already gotten too far off track with that. Even at his current modest salary, the deal for DRC is financially much more attractive to the Eagles than keeping Kolb and signing Taylor. That was the only point I was making, the rest was a spin-off of that.cacksman, I didn't say he would hold out, I said it's an option. It may not be a good one, it may not work, or he may choose not to use it if it came down to it, but what's laughable is people saying he has zero options or leverage.

 

[Kruppe]

He absolutely has a choice- he can holdout and say "I'm not reporting unless you up my deal or trade me". I think there's a zero percent chance that Kolb stays on the Eagles as a back up at his current contract. That deal was structured that way because it was the only way to get around the 30% raise rule- it wasn't so they could lock him up for a tiny salary for this year.Regardless, even if you think that's the number he'll play for, keeping Kolb and signing a guy like Taylor is still going to be much more expensive than trading him for DRC.

Haha what exactly would his leverage be? I'm going to hold out and not hold the clip board for you this season unless you pay me a ton of money to do so? This is not like vincent jackson's scenario last year.

Okay, let's use your logic then. If he's only going to hold the clip board for them, then they should be willing to deal him for whatever they can get, correct? Why would a clip board holder be worth much at all?You guys can't have it both ways- if they value him, then he has leverage. If they want to maximize his trade value, then he has leverage. I'm not saying he holds all of the cards and they have to just do whatever he wants, but to say he has no leverage is just plain wrong. He absolutely has some.Anytime anyone wants to address the main point of my original post, that keeping him and signing Taylor would be a much more expensive option (regardless of Kolb's contract), feel free.

The main point is he will get traded. They will not keep him. Whether or not they get DRC, Kolb is gone. Too many people with a lot more knowledge of the situation than you or me have stated it as a foregone conclusion. But to your point, if I understand you right, you are correct; keeping him and signing another CB will be more expensive than trading him away for DRC. Kolb's salary plus hypothetical CB's salary will add up to more than DRC's salary. If that is your point, you are correct that the Eagles will spend more money on 2 players than 1. What point are you trying to make other than that?

My original response was post #242- someone asked why the Eagles would trade Kolb for DRC straight up when they could just keep him and sign a guy like Taylor. I repsonded by saying money is one reason why the Eagles might make that trade. In that post I also said that Kolb would have a monster contract for a back-up QB, and that's when all heck broke lose.I completely agree, I think it's a near certainty that Kolb is dealt. I only responded to give my opinion why the deal for DRC may make sense for the Eagles as well. I still firmly believe that Kolb absolutely has options and some leverage in the situation, but we've already gotten too far off track with that. Even at his current modest salary, the deal for DRC is financially much more attractive to the Eagles than keeping Kolb and signing Taylor. That was the only point I was making, the rest was a spin-off of that.cacksman, I didn't say he would hold out, I said it's an option. It may not be a good one, it may not work, or he may choose not to use it if it came down to it, but what's laughable is people saying he has zero options or leverage.

Kolb's options are to report or hold out. I don't think holding out would work with the Eagles and I don't think Kolb is the type of guy to do it anyway. Kolb has leverage in so far as Reid and the Eagles want to do right by him, especially after how everything played out last year. They feel like he is a franchise QB and they want him to be happy. While it's ultimately a business decision, Reid will still make every effort to do right by Kolb - I think so anyway. I think he will get traded and will get a new big money contract. Based on all I've read - and primarily based on the reports coming from G-King and DH both of whom I will believe before any media source -all of this has already been worked out, from the details of the trade to the details of the contract. If you consider a team is willing to rate him as a franchise QB and trade for him and pay him as such then the pricetag of DRC plus a decent pick is not crazy.

 

[twally]

Any questions?

I've read it could be Beanie Wells and a pick for Kolb. What would you think about that?

Considering that the Cardinals drafted a RB in the second-round of the draft this year with Hightower and Wells both in the mix, it makes sense from their side. I however don't see it make any sense from the Eagles side. Why would they show any interest when:1.) Wells is not a pass-catching back which is VERY important in that offense.

2.) Philly already has STUD RB in McCoy.

3.) Wells has the stigma of being an injury-prone fumbler.

As a Cardinals fan, I'd be licking my chops at that trade but that's about as realistic as us sending DRC over.

Everyone acts like the Eagles have some type of leverage. The Cardinals have PLENTY of QBs to after:

Kyle Orton

Donovan McNaab

Matt Hasselbeck

Vince Young

Marc Bulger

Any questions?

None of those QB are potential franchise QB's though. A Franchise QB can completely turn a franchise around, and the Cardinals saw how St Louis did after getting one (and getting RID of Marc Bulger). Kolb may not turn out to be any better, but he's got more potential then anyone out there, and that is a risk teams want to take. That's why QB's almost always go 1.1 if the drafting team need one. Even if there is a better 'football player' out there, the QB position is the most valuable one.

I'm not saying that the Cardinals aren't going to trade for Kolb, the compensation won't be DRC or any king's ransom for that matter. It would be in their best interest to:1.) Keep DRC.

2.) Keep their 1st-Round pick.

If Philly demands either of those two, expect the Cardinals to acquire a different veteran QB. If that veteran Quarterback fails and gives the Cardinals a Top-5 expect one thing:

Andrew Luck

The Cards will not trade Cromartie, they will trade for Orton before that happens.

What do you think Whiz thinks about that?They WILL trade Cromartie.

Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt said Wednesday that no one on the roster is untouchable.http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2011/07/20/20110720ken-whisenhunt-cardinals-trading-qb-no-one-untouchable.html#ixzz1SgAmto7Q

Why do you say that with such confidence? You just listen to what the dirtsheets are saying. A while back the 'experts' were saying it was going to be a 1st and a 3rd/4th and you posted:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=591101&st=0&p=13129116entry13129116

Then they started saying it was going to be a 1st rounder AND a player:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=591101&st=150&p=13180206entry13180206

The FIRST TIME you mentioned anything about Cromartie was yesterday AFTER every news site was preaching that same idea. Had you posted an unambiguous post regarding the whole thing I'd be inclined to believe you have some kind of 'insider info'. Until then I'm left to believe you're just cold reading.

Did you introduce the idea of Kolb to Arizona on this forum? Yes, but since then every post you've made has been equally ambiguous. I've written a detailed summary WHY it makes no sense for AZ to pay a king's ransom:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=591101&view=findpost&p=13343975

Which you chose to ignore so you wouldn't have to fight an argument based on logic.

King knows what he is talking about as I have been following his posts for over a year! It really doesn't matter what anyone will say as he will be proven right in a couple of days.

 

[G-King]

Its Arizona.... Same as it was Arizona back in February. And after the way McNabb proved to be a major bust in Washington and now a year older, how someone could say they would rather have a proven has-been over a young veteran with potential is beyond me. Granted the come back will be "What has Kolb proven?" by people looking only at stats- but we have certainly saw what McNott has proved.... Failure.

McNabb was a disappointment, but he wasn't a "major bust". Part of the problem with the McNabb situation is that people had unrealistic expectations for both McNabb and for the Redskins. People thought the Redskins were just a quarterback away from the playoffs (they weren't) and they assumed that McNabb could somehow maintain his high level of play despite his advanced age and the inferior status of Washington's roster.As for the second bolded statement......I haven't seen any statistical data showing that "young veterans with potential" have been any more successful than "proven has-beens". I can think of several has-beens who were successful (Kurt Warner, Trent Green, Rich Gannon) as well as several "young veterans" who were failures (Derek Anderson, Seneca Wallace, Charlie Whitehurst, A.J. Feeley, etc.).

Maybe "major bust" was to harsh for you, but I just feel that a guy that was traded in the division because the Eagles WANTED to play against him twice; who then proves what the Eagles knew about him; then gets benched the last couple of games for failure to produce..... in my book is a "major bust."

As far as statistical data- I'm not really into looking up stats, but as a business owner I would rather hitch my wagon to the younger guy who is hungry to succeeed than to old guy looking for a final pay day to retire on.

Besides, I don't really put someone drafted 36 overall, in with the same failed "young veterans" as 6th round/213th OA (Anderson), 4th round 110th OA (Wallace), and 3rd/81st OA Whitehurst(who I still don't know for sure he is a bust).

 

[G-King]

I would wager that the deal has been complete for some time now.

Yup. Since May it seems. Verified on the Kolb side by Kev...er, G-King, and on the Cards side by LHUCKS' contact. And Schefter even talked about a deal earlier this week that "hypothetically" could be Cromartie + pick.

No man, havent you heard? He's playing for peanuts this year in Philly. No, He's playing in Cleveland.... I mean it's gonna be a hold out for more money with.....

 

[Eminence]

King knows what he is talking about as I have been following his posts for over a year! It really doesn't matter what anyone will say as he will be proven right in a couple of days.

Read my post: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=591101&view=findpost&p=13344467If you're willing to ignore that logic and the word of mouth of Adrian Wilson simply because G-King says DRC will be in the trade, then more power to you.

G-King hasn't been saying anything different than what the media has. When they said it would take a 1st and 4th, so did he. When they said it'd take DRC, so did he. He has brought no insider expertise; only ambiguous statements.

Think about the situation, draw conclusions based on logic.

 

[G-King]

Any questions?

I've read it could be Beanie Wells and a pick for Kolb. What would you think about that?

Considering that the Cardinals drafted a RB in the second-round of the draft this year with Hightower and Wells both in the mix, it makes sense from their side. I however don't see it make any sense from the Eagles side. Why would they show any interest when:1.) Wells is not a pass-catching back which is VERY important in that offense.

2.) Philly already has STUD RB in McCoy.

3.) Wells has the stigma of being an injury-prone fumbler.

As a Cardinals fan, I'd be licking my chops at that trade but that's about as realistic as us sending DRC over.

Everyone acts like the Eagles have some type of leverage. The Cardinals have PLENTY of QBs to after:

Kyle Orton

Donovan McNaab

Matt Hasselbeck

Vince Young

Marc Bulger

Any questions?

None of those QB are potential franchise QB's though. A Franchise QB can completely turn a franchise around, and the Cardinals saw how St Louis did after getting one (and getting RID of Marc Bulger). Kolb may not turn out to be any better, but he's got more potential then anyone out there, and that is a risk teams want to take. That's why QB's almost always go 1.1 if the drafting team need one. Even if there is a better 'football player' out there, the QB position is the most valuable one.

I'm not saying that the Cardinals aren't going to trade for Kolb, the compensation won't be DRC or any king's ransom for that matter. It would be in their best interest to:1.) Keep DRC.

2.) Keep their 1st-Round pick.

If Philly demands either of those two, expect the Cardinals to acquire a different veteran QB. If that veteran Quarterback fails and gives the Cardinals a Top-5 expect one thing:

Andrew Luck

The Cards will not trade Cromartie, they will trade for Orton before that happens.

What do you think Whiz thinks about that?They WILL trade Cromartie.

Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt said Wednesday that no one on the roster is untouchable.http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2011/07/20/20110720ken-whisenhunt-cardinals-trading-qb-no-one-untouchable.html#ixzz1SgAmto7Q

Why do you say that with such confidence? You just listen to what the dirtsheets are saying. A while back the 'experts' were saying it was going to be a 1st and a 3rd/4th and you posted:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=591101&st=0&p=13129116entry13129116

Then they started saying it was going to be a 1st rounder AND a player:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=591101&st=150&p=13180206entry13180206

The FIRST TIME you mentioned anything about Cromartie was yesterday AFTER every news site was preaching that same idea. Had you posted an unambiguous post regarding the whole thing I'd be inclined to believe you have some kind of 'insider info'. Until then I'm left to believe you're just cold reading.

Did you introduce the idea of Kolb to Arizona on this forum? Yes, but since then every post you've made has been equally ambiguous. I've written a detailed summary WHY it makes no sense for AZ to pay a king's ransom:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=591101&view=findpost&p=13344467

Which you chose to ignore so you wouldn't have to fight an argument based on logic.

Oh crap... I've been busted as a nobody. Your right, I don't know anything so I'll just keep my "ambigiguous thoughts" to myself and the the PM's that can fully comprehend my info. Good luck with your fantasy season, Pardner.

 

[Eminence]

Any questions?

I've read it could be Beanie Wells and a pick for Kolb. What would you think about that?

Considering that the Cardinals drafted a RB in the second-round of the draft this year with Hightower and Wells both in the mix, it makes sense from their side. I however don't see it make any sense from the Eagles side. Why would they show any interest when:1.) Wells is not a pass-catching back which is VERY important in that offense.

2.) Philly already has STUD RB in McCoy.

3.) Wells has the stigma of being an injury-prone fumbler.

As a Cardinals fan, I'd be licking my chops at that trade but that's about as realistic as us sending DRC over.

Everyone acts like the Eagles have some type of leverage. The Cardinals have PLENTY of QBs to after:

Kyle Orton

Donovan McNaab

Matt Hasselbeck

Vince Young

Marc Bulger

Any questions?

None of those QB are potential franchise QB's though. A Franchise QB can completely turn a franchise around, and the Cardinals saw how St Louis did after getting one (and getting RID of Marc Bulger). Kolb may not turn out to be any better, but he's got more potential then anyone out there, and that is a risk teams want to take. That's why QB's almost always go 1.1 if the drafting team need one. Even if there is a better 'football player' out there, the QB position is the most valuable one.

I'm not saying that the Cardinals aren't going to trade for Kolb, the compensation won't be DRC or any king's ransom for that matter. It would be in their best interest to:1.) Keep DRC.

2.) Keep their 1st-Round pick.

If Philly demands either of those two, expect the Cardinals to acquire a different veteran QB. If that veteran Quarterback fails and gives the Cardinals a Top-5 expect one thing:

Andrew Luck

The Cards will not trade Cromartie, they will trade for Orton before that happens.

What do you think Whiz thinks about that?They WILL trade Cromartie.

Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt said Wednesday that no one on the roster is untouchable.http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2011/07/20/20110720ken-whisenhunt-cardinals-trading-qb-no-one-untouchable.html#ixzz1SgAmto7Q

Why do you say that with such confidence? You just listen to what the dirtsheets are saying. A while back the 'experts' were saying it was going to be a 1st and a 3rd/4th and you posted:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=591101&st=0&p=13129116entry13129116

Then they started saying it was going to be a 1st rounder AND a player:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=591101&st=150&p=13180206entry13180206

The FIRST TIME you mentioned anything about Cromartie was yesterday AFTER every news site was preaching that same idea. Had you posted an unambiguous post regarding the whole thing I'd be inclined to believe you have some kind of 'insider info'. Until then I'm left to believe you're just cold reading.

Did you introduce the idea of Kolb to Arizona on this forum? Yes, but since then every post you've made has been equally ambiguous. I've written a detailed summary WHY it makes no sense for AZ to pay a king's ransom:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=591101&view=findpost&p=13344467

Which you chose to ignore so you wouldn't have to fight an argument based on logic.

Oh crap... I've been busted as a nobody. Your right, I don't know anything so I'll just keep my "ambigiguous thoughts" to myself and the the PM's that can fully comprehend my info. Good luck with your fantasy season, Pardner.

Way to dismiss my arguments without saying anything of actual substance.

 

[renesauz]

King knows what he is talking about as I have been following his posts for over a year! It really doesn't matter what anyone will say as he will be proven right in a couple of days.

Read my post: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=591101&view=findpost&p=13344467If you're willing to ignore that logic and the word of mouth of Adrian Wilson simply because G-King says DRC will be in the trade, then more power to you.

G-King hasn't been saying anything different than what the media has. When they said it would take a 1st and 4th, so did he. When they said it'd take DRC, so did he. He has brought no insider expertise; only ambiguous statements.

Think about the situation, draw conclusions based on logic.

The problem with "logic" is that the conclusions are based on subjective evaluations. If Kolb truly is a franchise QB, than paying a CB (no matter how good he is) and a high (even a first...since it could be assumed to be a relatively late first if the initial assumption is good) pick is WELL WORTH it. If Kolb is not a franchise QB, then trading a young corner with a ton of potential AND a high pick for a marginal starter/good backup will look silly in a couple of years. What any of us believe as individuals really doesn't matter. For that matter, DRC didn't look like a perrenial pro-bowl player in the making last year. He looked like any other starting corner. If he's just another average corner, than Kolb is easily worth more than him even as a lower end starter....because starting QBs in general are worth more than corners. If he's the budding pro-bowler everyone seems to assume he is, than obviously Kolb needs to pan out as no worse than a dependable starter to make the deal worthwhile. Either way, let's not pretend that DRC is a sure thing either. He isn't...his floor might still be as a starter...but "starter" at CB is not all that big a deal.

In the end, the deal makes sense for both teams for anyone believing Kolb is a franchise QB. It makes sense if both DRC and Kolb are merely solid starters instead of franchise players. You can't evaluate someone else's deal based solely on your own pre-mature evaluation of the players in question. The truth is, ANY evaluation of Kolb is very premature, and the evaluations of DRC are still at least somewhat questionable. It boggles my mind how much folks value draft picks, but two years later not the still relatively untested young players that those picks produced.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

G-King mentioned this a week ago in the Philly thread and its just now coming out?

A source familiar with the situation told FOXSportsArizona.com that Fitzgerald and Kolb organized a private throwing session inside Arizona State University’s Verde Dickey Center (the football team’s practice bubble) earlier this month. That would require advance planning and approval of the university.

Fitzgerald has worked out with multiple NFL players from around the league this summer without any attempt to keep those workouts private. So why keep this one secret?

Link

 

[Joe Summer]

As far as statistical data- I'm not really into looking up stats, but as a business owner I would rather hitch my wagon to the younger guy who is hungry to succeeed than to old guy looking for a final pay day to retire on.

That's great for business...not so much for football. Lots of hungry guys suck.

 

[Sabertooth]

Mark it down. The Eagles rue the day they trade Kolb. Vick isn't the answer, not with the concussion rules what they are. All that running never works. Ask McNair. Ask McNabb.

 

[Eminence]

G-King mentioned this a week ago in the Philly thread and its just now coming out?

A source familiar with the situation told FOXSportsArizona.com that Fitzgerald and Kolb organized a private throwing session inside Arizona State University’s Verde Dickey Center (the football team’s practice bubble) earlier this month. That would require advance planning and approval of the university.

Fitzgerald has worked out with multiple NFL players from around the league this summer without any attempt to keep those workouts private. So why keep this one secret?

Link

I'm not questioning whether or not G-King has any extra insight. I'm just heavily disputing the fact that DRC would be included in the aforementioned deal. Especially since G-King's speculation of what it would take to acquire Kolb went RIGHT ALONG with what the media has been saying.Maybe he has close ties to Kolb, Philadelphia, or whatnot, cool. But that does not mean he has ANY insight on what the Cardinals would be willing to give up. Especially when Arizona's own player Team Captain Adrian Wilson disputes the idea of trading DRC. I'm taking his word over G-King.

Had G-King publicly stated a month ago that it would take DRC and a 1st-Rounder than I'd take it with credence. However, G-King only started throwing around the DRC possibility once the media did.

 

[twally]

King knows what he is talking about as I have been following his posts for over a year! It really doesn't matter what anyone will say as he will be proven right in a couple of days.

Read my post: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=591101&view=findpost&p=13344467If you're willing to ignore that logic and the word of mouth of Adrian Wilson simply because G-King says DRC will be in the trade, then more power to you.

G-King hasn't been saying anything different than what the media has. When they said it would take a 1st and 4th, so did he. When they said it'd take DRC, so did he. He has brought no insider expertise; only ambiguous statements.

Think about the situation, draw conclusions based on logic.

I believe King broke the Arizona news months before the media got a hold of it. I will believe what King says because I have found his information to be correct and broken before the media got a hold of it. You may have just picked up on his information recently but the guy does have a track record that I have witnessed for over a year.

 

[azgroover]

All that running never works. Ask McNair.

Unavailable for comment.

 

[Insein]

All that running never works. Ask McNair.

Unavailable for comment.

Too soon?

 

[Gachi]

Mark it down. The Eagles rue the day they trade Kolb. Vick isn't the answer, not with the concussion rules what they are. All that running never works. Ask McNair. Ask McNabb.

It kinda did work for them for a while. But they could throw when they needed to, Vick can't.

 

[G-King]

Hey M &M, if you want to follow me around and try to disprove what I know so you can get a merit badge at your next 6 team fantasy draft, I'm actually flattered. And when I see Adrian I'll ask him why he sent you on a G- king witch hunt with obvious media control fodder.

What was he suppose to say, "Oh Cromartie sucks! Hope we trade him!!

Come on man, go keep LHucks or JettMaxx in check.

 

[Instinctive]

Hey M &M, if you want to follow me around and try to disprove what I know so you can get a merit badge at your next 6 team fantasy draft, I'm actually flattered. And when I see Adrian I'll ask him why he sent you on a G- king witch hunt with obvious media control fodder.What was he suppose to say, "Oh Cromartie sucks! Hope we trade him!!Come on man, go keep LHucks or JettMaxx in check.

 

[T with T]

The Cards will not trade Cromartie, they will trade for Orton before that happens.

What do you think Whiz thinks about that? They WILL trade Cromartie.

I wouldn't tell G king he doesn't know what he's talking about, He knows bud.. Kolb is goin to ARI, it's a done deal, Cromartie and a pick, and the money sit may need to be completed but G KING knows his stuff and I would listen to him before any random ding dong

 

[Insein]

The Cards will not trade Cromartie, they will trade for Orton before that happens.

What do you think Whiz thinks about that? They WILL trade Cromartie.

I wouldn't tell G king he doesn't know what he's talking about, He knows bud.. Kolb is goin to ARI, it's a done deal, Cromartie and a pick, and the money sit may need to be completed but G KING knows his stuff and I would listen to him before any random ding dong

Its not blind faith in G-King. He has a track record. Doubters need to search his posts and see what he's predicted before so they know he has insider info. I will believe him until he is proven wrong on his predictions. Hasn't happened yet.

 

[Insein]

Besides if the Cards want to give us someone like Darnell Dockett and a Pick for Kolb, I ain't gonna stop them. I think they realize DRC is expendable with Peterson there. So it makes sense for both sides which is what a professional trade has to do. Sides are not going to fleece the other. There's too much at stake for both teams to be dumb about it. If AZ gives DRC plus a pick, its because they think Kolb is worth it.

 

[Amused to Death]

Hey M &M, if you want to follow me around and try to disprove what I know so you can get a merit badge at your next 6 team fantasy draft, I'm actually flattered. And when I see Adrian I'll ask him why he sent you on a G- king witch hunt with obvious media control fodder.What was he suppose to say, "Oh Cromartie sucks! Hope we trade him!!Come on man, go keep LHucks or JettMaxx in check.

Gonna miss you in the Eagles threads! Check in from time to time.

 

[Jason Wood]

Hey M &M, if you want to follow me around and try to disprove what I know so you can get a merit badge at your next 6 team fantasy draft, I'm actually flattered. And when I see Adrian I'll ask him why he sent you on a G- king witch hunt with obvious media control fodder.What was he suppose to say, "Oh Cromartie sucks! Hope we trade him!!Come on man, go keep LHucks or JettMaxx in check.

Gonna miss you in the Eagles threads! Check in from time to time.

Yeah, but how awesome is it going to be to see G-King screwing around with LHUCKS all the time.

 

[JetMaxx]

Hey M &M, if you want to follow me around and try to disprove what I know so you can get a merit badge at your next 6 team fantasy draft, I'm actually flattered. And when I see Adrian I'll ask him why he sent you on a G- king witch hunt with obvious media control fodder.What was he suppose to say, "Oh Cromartie sucks! Hope we trade him!!Come on man, go keep LHucks or JettMaxx in check.

Gonna miss you in the Eagles threads! Check in from time to time.

Yeah, but how awesome is it going to be to see G-King screwing around with LHUCKS all the time.

But wait a sec, how the heck did I get lumped in with LHUCKS? Gking, I think you've been spending too much time in that Gulf sun. May your lines go limp and Kevin outfish you.

 

[[scooter]]

Mark it down. The Eagles rue the day they trade Kolb. Vick isn't the answer, not with the concussion rules what they are. All that running never works. Ask McNair. Ask McNabb.

A gross oversimplification.McNair and McNabb played in Super Bowls -- something that 90% of pocket passers never do. Steve Young and John Elway have multiple rings. Aaron Rodgers rushed more than any QB except Vick and Josh Freeman last year......and he won the Super Bowl.

 

[Irish Chaos]

Mark it down. The Eagles rue the day they trade Kolb. Vick isn't the answer, not with the concussion rules what they are. All that running never works. Ask McNair. Ask McNabb.

A gross oversimplification.McNair and McNabb played in Super Bowls -- something that 90% of pocket passers never do. Steve Young and John Elway have multiple rings. Aaron Rodgers rushed more than any QB except Vick and Josh Freeman last year......and he won the Super Bowl.

Yeah how can you say ask mcnabb? are we ignoring 5 nfc championship games and a superbowl appearance or is it more convenient if we don't include those? Pretty sure before last season mcnabb was behind only peyton and brady in win%. IMO, if the giants didn't collapse and got into the playoffs over GB, the eagles would've ran through the NFC in last years playoffs.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Mark it down. The Eagles rue the day they trade Kolb. Vick isn't the answer, not with the concussion rules what they are. All that running never works. Ask McNair. Ask McNabb.

A gross oversimplification.McNair and McNabb played in Super Bowls -- something that 90% of pocket passers never do. Steve Young and John Elway have multiple rings. Aaron Rodgers rushed more than any QB except Vick and Josh Freeman last year......and he won the Super Bowl.

Yeah how can you say ask mcnabb? are we ignoring 5 nfc championship games and a superbowl appearance or is it more convenient if we don't include those? Pretty sure before last season mcnabb was behind only peyton and brady in win%. IMO, if the giants didn't collapse and got into the playoffs over GB, the eagles would've ran through the NFC in last years playoffs.

Maybe. But they were leaking oil at the end, and I don't think their defense was good enough to win it all. Just my opinion though. They were the second best NFC team behind GB.

 

[Bri]

To those making the argument that Arizona shouldn't feel compelled to pay a lot for Kolb because of alternatives out there, please recognize that your views on Kolb then don't match Arizona's. If they do in fact trade for Kolb as seems likely, it's because they think he's a franchise prospect, which none of the other options are close to (either because they're well past their primes - Bulger, McNabb, Hasselbeck, or just not skilled enough - Orton, Young). Arizona endured one of the worst QB situations in modern memory last year, and many felt that was the one thing keeping them from winning a very winnable division. While I'm not personally sold on Kolb as an elite starter, it's not about what I think, it's about what the Cardinals front office thinks. Kolb is the only real shot this offseason at hitting the QB lottery. Not saying it'll be a winning ticket, but it's the only guy they can get that would at least project as a star if things fell right.

Better than current AZ QBs is understood...I don't see him as a difference maker when on a good team. Do you?Did Arizona's window of opportunity close? I don't project greatness if Kolb is on their team and I don't think it strikes the same fear into opponents as Warner to their then trio of WRs.Maybe they were right about Boldin. He didn't seem the same in Baltimore, although he didn't seem comfy either so maybe he needed a year....anyway, is Kolb the missing piece?I don't think so. Curious what an Eagles fan thinks

 

[Snotbubbles]

To those making the argument that Arizona shouldn't feel compelled to pay a lot for Kolb because of alternatives out there, please recognize that your views on Kolb then don't match Arizona's. If they do in fact trade for Kolb as seems likely, it's because they think he's a franchise prospect, which none of the other options are close to (either because they're well past their primes - Bulger, McNabb, Hasselbeck, or just not skilled enough - Orton, Young). Arizona endured one of the worst QB situations in modern memory last year, and many felt that was the one thing keeping them from winning a very winnable division. While I'm not personally sold on Kolb as an elite starter, it's not about what I think, it's about what the Cardinals front office thinks. Kolb is the only real shot this offseason at hitting the QB lottery. Not saying it'll be a winning ticket, but it's the only guy they can get that would at least project as a star if things fell right.

Better than current AZ QBs is understood...I don't see him as a difference maker when on a good team. Do you?Did Arizona's window of opportunity close? I don't project greatness if Kolb is on their team and I don't think it strikes the same fear into opponents as Warner to their then trio of WRs.Maybe they were right about Boldin. He didn't seem the same in Baltimore, although he didn't seem comfy either so maybe he needed a year....anyway, is Kolb the missing piece?I don't think so. Curious what an Eagles fan thinks

I think he is a passable NFL starter. Matt Hasselbeck is a pretty good comparison. Could be pretty good with the right components around him, but not an perennial ProBowl type of guy.

 

[Donnybrook]

Tyler Thigpen has four year experience so he will be an unrestricted free agent once the CBA is signed. There has been some speculation that Chan Gailey will try to sign him to backup Fitzpatrick. I am not sure why Arizona wouldn't be interested in him. Even if Arizona isn't interested in him, If I ran the Arizona FO, I would act like I was just to drive the price for Kolb down a little.

 

[Insein]

Tyler Thigpen has four year experience so he will be an unrestricted free agent once the CBA is signed. There has been some speculation that Chan Gailey will try to sign him to backup Fitzpatrick. I am not sure why Arizona wouldn't be interested in him. Even if Arizona isn't interested in him, If I ran the Arizona FO, I would act like I was just to drive the price for Kolb down a little.

I don't think the Eagles would bite. They'd pull the "well Seattle has made a pretty substantial offer, Wouldn't want a division rival getting him now would you" angle. Plus the Eagles do have the fallback position of just keeping Kolb. Vick does get hurt often and Kolb only costs $1.4m this year. I don't think they'd be fooling anybody. Add in the fact that there's no time to play around with a shortened offseason and you will see the sides putting their best offer on the table right away. They've been negotiating this for almost 6 months now. I think they have an idea of what each other wants.

 

[T with T]

Mark it down. The Eagles rue the day they trade Kolb. Vick isn't the answer, not with the concussion rules what they are. All that running never works. Ask McNair. Ask McNabb.

A gross oversimplification.McNair and McNabb played in Super Bowls -- something that 90% of pocket passers never do. Steve Young and John Elway have multiple rings. Aaron Rodgers rushed more than any QB except Vick and Josh Freeman last year......and he won the Super Bowl.

Yeah how can you say ask mcnabb? are we ignoring 5 nfc championship games and a superbowl appearance or is it more convenient if we don't include those? Pretty sure before last season mcnabb was behind only peyton and brady in win%. IMO, if the giants didn't collapse and got into the playoffs over GB, the eagles would've ran through the NFC in last years playoffs.

6 actually