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I totally acknowledge it is a rumor but its from a couple of sources inside the organization. One of which is usually right. (although he did say that Richardson had a deal with Gruden not too long ago)

Riviera is currently negotiating with the Panthers to be the head coach, he is trying to bring the quarterbacks coach as OC. The Panthers are balking on this a bit. Then they are going to try and put together a deal for Rivers.

I personally have my doubts but its San Diego and they have done some questionable things in the past plus they are in a franchise limbo now so who knows.

Any homers want to chime in?

 
Haven't heard anything locally about this. And while I'm sure Rivers would enjoy being back in NC, I seriously doubt he'd leave a situation where he's producing like he is, and becoming one of the best players in the league.

 
There certainly has been a lot of wishful thinking down here lately and rightly so. I'm new on the scene, but at this time I wish there was a new GM. Seems to be getting a free ride.

 
Wow, that seems very far-fetched. Why in the world would SD trade off Rivers (a player who was in the running for MVP)? SD would be taking a huge

step backwards.. I mean, who else do they have at QB? And why would they draft a new one and start over?

 
I am not sure how anyone read Rivers in this conversation other than inability to read

It says Rivera from the get go. HC position only

 
Sinrman said:
Wow, that seems very far-fetched. Why in the world would SD trade off Rivers (a player who was in the running for MVP)? SD would be taking a hugestep backwards.. I mean, who else do they have at QB? And why would they draft a new one and start over?
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Again I dont fully believe it but the dude I know has been pretty good with info before. He told me before the draft that they would draft J Stewart even when they had DWill that year. He has told me a lot of other little stuff that has turned out true. The one major thing he has said recently that was incorrect was that Richardson had a deal in place for Gruden. This was when Gruden backed out of the U of M head coaching search. He was pretty wrong there but thats the only recent thing.The only thing I can think of is that since Rivers is aging a little bit, the whole SD team is getting a older as well, plus the fact it seems that they may move to LA after 2011 that this may be a good time to "rebuild". Thats the only thing I can think of. Rivers seems to like it there. I would think the #1 this year, maybe a 3rd this year and next years #1 would do it. Maybe, I dont know. That still doesnt seem like enough. Who knows?
 
I think that Rivera would be a good option for HC.

But with Luck not declaring, I don't see how the Panthers could put a package together that would entice the Bolts. It is too hard to find a franchise QB, and I am not sure that I believe that any of the other QBs in the draft are "can't miss" that would be able to maintain their current level of play. Franchise QBs just don't get traded, and if they do, it generally is a mistake. Prime example is Denver.....they were primed for a bright future with a young Cutler and Marshall, and now they have struggled the last 2 years to just be a competitve team.

 
This sounds like someone's creating rumors. Franchise QB's are in short supply I couldn't even imagine how much it would take to get Rivers away from SD.

 
I can see there being an inkling of truth to this in terms of the Rivera aspect, and then the game of "telephone" evolved into someone throwing in, "hey, what if they try to acquire Rivers? He played at NC State and would be awesome back here with his coach as the new play caller?"

 
Jason Wood said:
I can see there being an inkling of truth to this in terms of the Rivera aspect, and then the game of "telephone" evolved into someone throwing in, "hey, what if they try to acquire Rivers? He played at NC State and would be awesome back here with his coach as the new play caller?"
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I think that is exactly what has happened. I just thought it was interesting so I started a thread. Feel free to lock if you want. Although the Riveria rumor is pretty much confirmed now. The Panthers are balking at the QB coach as OC. This much I know for a fact. Does anyone know anything about the quarterback coach?
 
pantherclub said:
Jason Wood said:
I can see there being an inkling of truth to this in terms of the Rivera aspect, and then the game of "telephone" evolved into someone throwing in, "hey, what if they try to acquire Rivers? He played at NC State and would be awesome back here with his coach as the new play caller?"
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I think that is exactly what has happened. I just thought it was interesting so I started a thread. Feel free to lock if you want. Although the Riveria rumor is pretty much confirmed now. The Panthers are balking at the QB coach as OC. This much I know for a fact. Does anyone know anything about the quarterback coach?
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No need to lock it, you made it clear it was a rumor from the start. And I think, as you noted, the Rivera talk is probably legitimate.
 
pantherclub said:
The only thing I can think of is that since Rivers is aging a little bit
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Technically correct since we're all aging, but Rivers is smack dab in his prime (turned 29 last month), many years away from beginning any age-related decline. He also just signed a 7-year $98 mil contract in 2009 with $38 mil in guarantees. With his expected-to-be starting RB, TE, and WRs banged up / sitting out most of the season he still put up monster numbers anyway and carried the team on its back. There is no way Carolina is going to pry Rivers away from San Diego. Not a chance.
 
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pantherclub said:
Jason Wood said:
I can see there being an inkling of truth to this in terms of the Rivera aspect, and then the game of "telephone" evolved into someone throwing in, "hey, what if they try to acquire Rivers? He played at NC State and would be awesome back here with his coach as the new play caller?"
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I think that is exactly what has happened. I just thought it was interesting so I started a thread. Feel free to lock if you want. Although the Riveria rumor is pretty much confirmed now. The Panthers are balking at the QB coach as OC. This much I know for a fact. Does anyone know anything about the quarterback coach?
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Definitely. Nothing wrong with that, it's not like you came on and said something like "Rivers about to be traded to Panthers". You did this exactly like it should be done, making it clear that it was a rumor and even mentioning your source has not been infallible in the past. :shrug:
 
Jason Wood said:
pantherclub said:
Jason Wood said:
I can see there being an inkling of truth to this in terms of the Rivera aspect, and then the game of "telephone" evolved into someone throwing in, "hey, what if they try to acquire Rivers? He played at NC State and would be awesome back here with his coach as the new play caller?"
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I think that is exactly what has happened. I just thought it was interesting so I started a thread. Feel free to lock if you want. Although the Riveria rumor is pretty much confirmed now. The Panthers are balking at the QB coach as OC. This much I know for a fact. Does anyone know anything about the quarterback coach?
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No need to lock it, you made it clear it was a rumor from the start. And I think, as you noted, the Rivera talk is probably legitimate.
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I actually caught the rumor yesterday on an iPhone app, so it probably has some legs. What I find funny about it, is Fox and Rivera are kind of cut from the same cloth. As for the Rivers thing, I can tell you this. His father coached at my local HS here in raleigh when Philip went to State. The family up and moved with him to SD when he got drafted and moved back the next year. You can take it as they were just "seeing him off", but my neighbor took their dog when they moved and said that they did not care for SD (they are into country life, not city life). Phillip, to my knowledge, has never himself displayed a sense of not wanting to be in SD, and obviously bullying AJ Smith will get you nowhere, but who knows. I just don't think there is a thing the Panthers could give the Chargers to entice them to part with Rivers. If Luck were coming out, that would be a different story.Now, if you are a conspiracy theorist, you may think this has legs as if the #1 pick is traded for Rivers (with other stuff of course), Luck magically declares for the draft in 2011...
 
Well it looks like Riveria is hired. My guy was right about that.

No word yet on his OC.

Any homers have input on Riveria? Good guy? Is he exciting contrary to Fox?

 
pantherclub said:
Well it looks like Riveria is hired. My guy was right about that. No word yet on his OC.Any homers have input on Riveria? Good guy? Is he exciting contrary to Fox?
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As a Bear's fan, he put up a good defensive product in Chicago. And with his success as the DC in San Diego, he is long due to have HC shot. i am sure he will be defensive minded and could do well.Honestly, jury is still out if he be a head coach, but I am sure the defense will become a top defense in a couple years.
 
Another disaster HC possibility this off season. They have waited and waited, might as well wait and tlak to some of the sst coaches form the really good teams that are going deep into the playoffs. I haven't heard much talk about Rivera from SD.

 
The San Diego Union-Tribune reports that the Panthers are expected to name Chargers defensive coordinator Ron Rivera the new head coach in Carolina on Tuesday.

Rivera is already contacting staff members, and FOX Sports' Jay Glazer reports that the Panthers have begun informing previous interviewees that they'll no longer be part of the search. Prior to getting the job in Carolina, Rivera interviewed for a whopping eight head coaching positions, often as a means for those teams to satisfy the Rooney Rule. Rivera, 49, will become the fourth head coach in Panthers history. All four -- also Dom Capers, George Seifert, and John Fox -- were former defensive coordinators.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines...L&hl=198517

One less team after Fewell.

 
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pantherclub said:
Jason Wood said:
I can see there being an inkling of truth to this in terms of the Rivera aspect, and then the game of "telephone" evolved into someone throwing in, "hey, what if they try to acquire Rivers? He played at NC State and would be awesome back here with his coach as the new play caller?"
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I think that is exactly what has happened. I just thought it was interesting so I started a thread. Feel free to lock if you want. Although the Riveria rumor is pretty much confirmed now. The Panthers are balking at the QB coach as OC. This much I know for a fact. Does anyone know anything about the quarterback coach?
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I like the QB coach in San Diego, I like his track record with QBs...he has experience coaching TE, WR, and QB at the pro level. I want him in Cincy as the new OC personally if we fire Brat.
 
Ramsdell is highly thought of in San Diego. But the Panthers would need the Chargers' permission to hire him away. Marty Schottenheimer always gave permission when a position coach was being considered for a coordinator position, but Norv Turner may not. In fact, I think the Chargers already denied the Redskins permission to interview Ramsdell for the OC job in Washington in 2008.

 
Kevin Acee in the SDUT:

Rivera all but certain to be Panthers' new head coach

By Kevin Acee

Monday, January 10, 2011 at 9:55 a.m.

Peyton Manning congratulated Chargers Defensive Coordinator Ron Rivera after the Chargers beat the Colts in November.

Long considered the front-runner for the Carolina Panthers head coaching job, Chargers defensive coordinator Ron Rivera is meeting with team owner Jerry Richardson today and is expected to be announced as head coach on Tuesday.

It is known that Rivera has had people put out feelers in an effort to assemble a staff as he closes in on his first head coaching position.

The Panthers were the ninth team with which Rivera has interviewed for a top job since 2006. He has been the Chargers' defensive coordinator since midway through the 2008 season. He served in the same capacity with the Chicago Bears from 2004-06.

Rivera, who turned 49 on Friday, is one of four defensive coordinators the Panthers interviewed last week and the only one to have a second interview.

All three of the Panthers' previous head coaches (Dom Capers, George Seifert and John Fox) were former defensive coordinators.

The Chargers will now need to replace Rivera.

The team is expected to give current assistants such as linebackers coach John Pagano and secondary coach Steve Wilks a look, as well as extend its search to outside candidates.

The Chargers are not expected to allow any of their assistants to leave with Rivera. All of the Chargers' coaches except special teams coordinator Steve Crosby, who was let go last week, agreed to extensions last offseason.
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This is from Kevin Acee's mailbag.

Q. Oscar Gonzalez (4:22 PM Jan 5, 2011): Any chance we trade Rivers to the Panthers if Rivera takes the Job. We can possibly get Cam newton or Andrew Locke from Standford!!!

A. Kevin Acee (3:00 PM Jan 7, 2011): I posted this for others' amusement.

Q. Oscar Gonzalez (3:38 PM Jan 10, 2011): I saw you made fun of me saying Rivera will become the panthers coach and rivers would join him. it makes sense tough, rivera is about to take the job. on top of that, they need offense. we have too much offense and we can use rivers as trade bait for a good defensive player they have or maybe steve smith. and were not even talking about the number of draft picks we can get. easly get a qg like newton or luck from standford to replace rivers.

A. Kevin Acee (7:57 PM Jan 10, 2011): I can do this forever. I am actually enjoying your lunacy.

 
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This is from Kevin Acee's mailbag.

Q. Oscar Gonzalez (4:22 PM Jan 5, 2011): Any chance we trade Rivers to the Panthers if Rivera takes the Job. We can possibly get Cam newton or Andrew Locke from Standford!!!

A. Kevin Acee (3:00 PM Jan 7, 2011): I posted this for others' amusement.

Q. Oscar Gonzalez (3:38 PM Jan 10, 2011): I saw you made fun of me saying Rivera will become the panthers coach and rivers would join him. it makes sense tough, rivera is about to take the job. on top of that, they need offense. we have too much offense and we can use rivers as trade bait for a good defensive player they have or maybe steve smith. and were not even talking about the number of draft picks we can get. easly get a qg like newton or luck from standford to replace rivers.

A. Kevin Acee (7:57 PM Jan 10, 2011): I can do this forever. I am actually enjoying your lunacy.
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Now that's funny stuff. Thanks for posting MT. :lmao:
 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Ramsdell is highly thought of in San Diego. But the Panthers would need the Chargers' permission to hire him away. Marty Schottenheimer always gave permission when a position coach was being considered for a coordinator position, but Norv Turner may not. In fact, I think the Chargers already denied the Redskins permission to interview Ramsdell for the OC job in Washington in 2008.
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For some reason, I thought it was mandatory that position coaches be allowed to interview for Coordinator positions. I thought teams can prohibit coaches from interviewing from lateral positions, but not if it was a "step-up." -- I thought this was so because of the times that Rod Marinelli was in Tampa and he was the DLine Coach AND associate head coach -- therefore he couldn't interview for a DC position. If he had been "just" the Dline coach, then Tampa couldn't stop him from moving up the coaching ladder.
 
Couch Potato said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
This is from Kevin Acee's mailbag.

Q. Oscar Gonzalez (4:22 PM Jan 5, 2011): Any chance we trade Rivers to the Panthers if Rivera takes the Job. We can possibly get Cam newton or Andrew Locke from Standford!!!

A. Kevin Acee (3:00 PM Jan 7, 2011): I posted this for others' amusement.

Q. Oscar Gonzalez (3:38 PM Jan 10, 2011): I saw you made fun of me saying Rivera will become the panthers coach and rivers would join him. it makes sense tough, rivera is about to take the job. on top of that, they need offense. we have too much offense and we can use rivers as trade bait for a good defensive player they have or maybe steve smith. and were not even talking about the number of draft picks we can get. easly get a qg like newton or luck from standford to replace rivers.

A. Kevin Acee (7:57 PM Jan 10, 2011): I can do this forever. I am actually enjoying your lunacy.
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Now that's funny stuff. Thanks for posting MT. :thanks:
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pantherclub = Oscar Gonzalez ???
 
Maurile Tremblay said:
This is from Kevin Acee's mailbag.

Q. Oscar Gonzalez (4:22 PM Jan 5, 2011): Any chance we trade Rivers to the Panthers if Rivera takes the Job. We can possibly get Cam newton or Andrew Locke from Standford!!!

A. Kevin Acee (3:00 PM Jan 7, 2011): I posted this for others' amusement.

Q. Oscar Gonzalez (3:38 PM Jan 10, 2011): I saw you made fun of me saying Rivera will become the panthers coach and rivers would join him. it makes sense tough, rivera is about to take the job. on top of that, they need offense. we have too much offense and we can use rivers as trade bait for a good defensive player they have or maybe steve smith. and were not even talking about the number of draft picks we can get. easly get a qg like newton or luck from standford to replace rivers.

A. Kevin Acee (7:57 PM Jan 10, 2011): I can do this forever. I am actually enjoying your lunacy.
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:o :lmao:
 
DanFouts said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
This is from Kevin Acee's mailbag.

Q. Oscar Gonzalez (4:22 PM Jan 5, 2011): Any chance we trade Rivers to the Panthers if Rivera takes the Job. We can possibly get Cam newton or Andrew Locke from Standford!!!

A. Kevin Acee (3:00 PM Jan 7, 2011): I posted this for others' amusement.

Q. Oscar Gonzalez (3:38 PM Jan 10, 2011): I saw you made fun of me saying Rivera will become the panthers coach and rivers would join him. it makes sense tough, rivera is about to take the job. on top of that, they need offense. we have too much offense and we can use rivers as trade bait for a good defensive player they have or maybe steve smith. and were not even talking about the number of draft picks we can get. easly get a qg like newton or luck from standford to replace rivers.

A. Kevin Acee (7:57 PM Jan 10, 2011): I can do this forever. I am actually enjoying your lunacy.
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:stirspot: :lmao:
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OMG Everybody. It's THE Dan Fouts.
 
Maurile Tremblay said:
This is from Kevin Acee's mailbag.

Q. Oscar Gonzalez (4:22 PM Jan 5, 2011): Any chance we trade Rivers to the Panthers if Rivera takes the Job. We can possibly get Cam newton or Andrew Locke from Standford!!!

A. Kevin Acee (3:00 PM Jan 7, 2011): I posted this for others' amusement.

Q. Oscar Gonzalez (3:38 PM Jan 10, 2011): I saw you made fun of me saying Rivera will become the panthers coach and rivers would join him. it makes sense tough, rivera is about to take the job. on top of that, they need offense. we have too much offense and we can use rivers as trade bait for a good defensive player they have or maybe steve smith. and were not even talking about the number of draft picks we can get. easly get a qg like newton or luck from standford to replace rivers.

A. Kevin Acee (7:57 PM Jan 10, 2011): I can do this forever. I am actually enjoying your lunacy.
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:shock:
 
Maurile Tremblay said:
This is from Kevin Acee's mailbag.

Q. Oscar Gonzalez (4:22 PM Jan 5, 2011): Any chance we trade Rivers to the Panthers if Rivera takes the Job. We can possibly get Cam newton or Andrew Locke from Standford!!!

A. Kevin Acee (3:00 PM Jan 7, 2011): I posted this for others' amusement.

Q. Oscar Gonzalez (3:38 PM Jan 10, 2011): I saw you made fun of me saying Rivera will become the panthers coach and rivers would join him. it makes sense tough, rivera is about to take the job. on top of that, they need offense. we have too much offense and we can use rivers as trade bait for a good defensive player they have or maybe steve smith. and were not even talking about the number of draft picks we can get. easly get a qg like newton or luck from standford to replace rivers.

A. Kevin Acee (7:57 PM Jan 10, 2011): I can do this forever. I am actually enjoying your lunacy.
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Regardless of the stupidity behind the posts, why are SD fans (even if just a smaller percentage) looking to move Rivers?
 
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blend said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
Ramsdell is highly thought of in San Diego. But the Panthers would need the Chargers' permission to hire him away. Marty Schottenheimer always gave permission when a position coach was being considered for a coordinator position, but Norv Turner may not. In fact, I think the Chargers already denied the Redskins permission to interview Ramsdell for the OC job in Washington in 2008.
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For some reason, I thought it was mandatory that position coaches be allowed to interview for Coordinator positions. I thought teams can prohibit coaches from interviewing from lateral positions, but not if it was a "step-up." -- I thought this was so because of the times that Rod Marinelli was in Tampa and he was the DLine Coach AND associate head coach -- therefore he couldn't interview for a DC position. If he had been "just" the Dline coach, then Tampa couldn't stop him from moving up the coaching ladder.
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It's mandatory that teams let assistant coaches interview to be head coaches. Under the rule, only two levels of coaching are recognized: assistant coaches and head coaches. There aren't different levels of assistant coaches.So a quarterback coach moving to an offensive coordinator position would not be considered a promotion under the NFL rule: it would be considered a lateral move.
 
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