Rumors from the Combine (1 Viewer)

[Dexter Manley]

Charles is going to be a solid pro. He did have some fumble troubles but I think that can be fixed with a good RB coach. He has burst like you wouldnt believe if you havent seen this guy play. He is also a tougher inside runner than people give him credit for. He is one of those guys who can take any carry to the house.

I don't know what you've seen out of him that suggests he is a tough inside runner, but I strongly disagree with that assessment. He runs off balance, is easily knocked down - lacks toughness, and fumbles too much. Not to mention the liability in the passing game.

Maybe you were watching a different game than me. The game when he had 200+ yards in particular, he hit the hole hard and blasted up the middle several times. I watched every game this guy has played he can run tough inside. Texas didnt have the best offensive line this year, he did good in spite of that. Guess we will have to agree to disagree. He ran solid all year long. I never argued the fumbling problem.

I believe you are referring to the Nebraska game when he had 200+ yards in the 4th quarter. While all of his big runs were between the tackles, he wasn't breaking any tackles -- Nebraska was blitzing nearly every play that game and had 8/9 guys in the box all day. It took 3 quarters (shocking I know) but Texas finally made the proper adjustments and Charles was able to find holes up the middle and then he was gone as there was no one at the second level. He was barely even touched, if he was touched at all, on those runs.

 

[mcintyre1]

Charles is going to be a solid pro. He did have some fumble troubles but I think that can be fixed with a good RB coach. He has burst like you wouldnt believe if you havent seen this guy play. He is also a tougher inside runner than people give him credit for. He is one of those guys who can take any carry to the house.

I don't know what you've seen out of him that suggests he is a tough inside runner, but I strongly disagree with that assessment. He runs off balance, is easily knocked down - lacks toughness, and fumbles too much. Not to mention the liability in the passing game.

Maybe you were watching a different game than me. The game when he had 200+ yards in particular, he hit the hole hard and blasted up the middle several times. I watched every game this guy has played he can run tough inside. Texas didnt have the best offensive line this year, he did good in spite of that. Guess we will have to agree to disagree. He ran solid all year long. I never argued the fumbling problem.

That game doesn't count. It was against Nebraska.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Charles is going to be a solid pro. He did have some fumble troubles but I think that can be fixed with a good RB coach. He has burst like you wouldnt believe if you havent seen this guy play. He is also a tougher inside runner than people give him credit for. He is one of those guys who can take any carry to the house.

I don't know what you've seen out of him that suggests he is a tough inside runner, but I strongly disagree with that assessment. He runs off balance, is easily knocked down - lacks toughness, and fumbles too much. Not to mention the liability in the passing game.

Maybe you were watching a different game than me. The game when he had 200+ yards in particular, he hit the hole hard and blasted up the middle several times. I watched every game this guy has played he can run tough inside. Texas didnt have the best offensive line this year, he did good in spite of that. Guess we will have to agree to disagree. He ran solid all year long. I never argued the fumbling problem.

I believe you are referring to the Nebraska game when he had 200+ yards in the 4th quarter. While all of his big runs were between the tackles, he wasn't breaking any tackles -- Nebraska was blitzing nearly every play that game and had 8/9 guys in the box all day. It took 3 quarters (shocking I know) but Texas finally made the proper adjustments and Charles was able to find holes up the middle and then he was gone as there was no one at the second level. He was barely even touched, if he was touched at all, on those runs.

Running through big holes and not breaking tackles.....bouncing outside at every opportunity......sounds like McFadden to me.

 

[Texasmouth]

Charles is going to be a solid pro. He did have some fumble troubles but I think that can be fixed with a good RB coach. He has burst like you wouldnt believe if you havent seen this guy play. He is also a tougher inside runner than people give him credit for. He is one of those guys who can take any carry to the house.

I don't know what you've seen out of him that suggests he is a tough inside runner, but I strongly disagree with that assessment. He runs off balance, is easily knocked down - lacks toughness, and fumbles too much. Not to mention the liability in the passing game.

Maybe you were watching a different game than me. The game when he had 200+ yards in particular, he hit the hole hard and blasted up the middle several times. I watched every game this guy has played he can run tough inside. Texas didnt have the best offensive line this year, he did good in spite of that. Guess we will have to agree to disagree. He ran solid all year long. I never argued the fumbling problem.

That game doesn't count. It was against Nebraska.

Just the one I remembered off the top of my head. I TIVO every longhorn game and watch them intensely because I have no other hobbies. Of course this doesnt make me any type of expert, I just pay attention. I really think Charles is going to surprise a lot of people in the NFL. He has all the talent. He CAN run inside and he did a lot this past year. He has unbelievable breakaway speed and he is a lot tougher than people are giving him credit for. Half the time the people posting here just repost what they have read and didnt actually see the guy play.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

Is it just me or are the descriptions of Charles sounding an awful like the criticisms of Benson?

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Is it just me or are the descriptions of Charles sounding an awful like the criticisms of Benson?

Its just you.

 

[Texasmouth]

Is it just me or are the descriptions of Charles sounding an awful like the criticisms of Benson?

Its just you. None of the comparisons are even close. Benson was a senior who played well but didnt have break away speed and had a lot of miles on the tires. Benson was a tough inside runner with no fumbling issues. Benson was considered a franchise type back. Charles is a speedster who doesnt have as much experience, has break away speed but isnt considered a tough runner. Charles also has fumbling issues. Charles is considered a 2-4th round pick with lots of upside but no sure thing.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

I was looking more at the criticisms that he can only run thru big holes and goes down too easily. Thats very much Benson-like.

 

[MAC_32]

Charles is going to be a solid pro. He did have some fumble troubles but I think that can be fixed with a good RB coach. He has burst like you wouldnt believe if you havent seen this guy play. He is also a tougher inside runner than people give him credit for. He is one of those guys who can take any carry to the house.

I don't know what you've seen out of him that suggests he is a tough inside runner, but I strongly disagree with that assessment. He runs off balance, is easily knocked down - lacks toughness, and fumbles too much. Not to mention the liability in the passing game.

Maybe you were watching a different game than me. The game when he had 200+ yards in particular, he hit the hole hard and blasted up the middle several times. I watched every game this guy has played he can run tough inside. Texas didnt have the best offensive line this year, he did good in spite of that. Guess we will have to agree to disagree. He ran solid all year long. I never argued the fumbling problem.

That game doesn't count. It was against Nebraska.

Just the one I remembered off the top of my head. I TIVO every longhorn game and watch them intensely because I have no other hobbies. Of course this doesnt make me any type of expert, I just pay attention. I really think Charles is going to surprise a lot of people in the NFL. He has all the talent. He CAN run inside and he did a lot this past year. He has unbelievable breakaway speed and he is a lot tougher than people are giving him credit for. Half the time the people posting here just repost what they have read and didnt actually see the guy play.

Well, I am not just repeating something I read; I've felt this way about Charles since last year and he did nothing this year to disprove that thought. I haven't seen this toughness you're referring to and we never disputed him not running between the tackles, we said his big plays between the tackles were a product of a big hole and breakaway speed. He didn't get hit on the big plays, that won't happen in the NFL. Show me some plays in which Charles ran between the tackles fighting off defender's for extra yardage, I never saw any but I'd think someone who watched every Longhorn game intensely would have picked up on some. Show them.

 

[Texasmouth]

Charles is going to be a solid pro. He did have some fumble troubles but I think that can be fixed with a good RB coach. He has burst like you wouldnt believe if you havent seen this guy play. He is also a tougher inside runner than people give him credit for. He is one of those guys who can take any carry to the house.

I don't know what you've seen out of him that suggests he is a tough inside runner, but I strongly disagree with that assessment. He runs off balance, is easily knocked down - lacks toughness, and fumbles too much. Not to mention the liability in the passing game.

Maybe you were watching a different game than me. The game when he had 200+ yards in particular, he hit the hole hard and blasted up the middle several times. I watched every game this guy has played he can run tough inside. Texas didnt have the best offensive line this year, he did good in spite of that. Guess we will have to agree to disagree. He ran solid all year long. I never argued the fumbling problem.

That game doesn't count. It was against Nebraska.

Just the one I remembered off the top of my head. I TIVO every longhorn game and watch them intensely because I have no other hobbies. Of course this doesnt make me any type of expert, I just pay attention. I really think Charles is going to surprise a lot of people in the NFL. He has all the talent. He CAN run inside and he did a lot this past year. He has unbelievable breakaway speed and he is a lot tougher than people are giving him credit for. Half the time the people posting here just repost what they have read and didnt actually see the guy play.

Well, I am not just repeating something I read; I've felt this way about Charles since last year and he did nothing this year to disprove that thought. I haven't seen this toughness you're referring to and we never disputed him not running between the tackles, we said his big plays between the tackles were a product of a big hole and breakaway speed. He didn't get hit on the big plays, that won't happen in the NFL. Show me some plays in which Charles ran between the tackles fighting off defender's for extra yardage, I never saw any but I'd think someone who watched every Longhorn game intensely would have picked up on some. Show them.

OK, come on over to my house and we will watch them on my TIVO.

 

[SayWhat?]

Charles is going to be a solid pro. He did have some fumble troubles but I think that can be fixed with a good RB coach. He has burst like you wouldnt believe if you havent seen this guy play. He is also a tougher inside runner than people give him credit for. He is one of those guys who can take any carry to the house.

I don't know what you've seen out of him that suggests he is a tough inside runner, but I strongly disagree with that assessment. He runs off balance, is easily knocked down - lacks toughness, and fumbles too much. Not to mention the liability in the passing game.

Maybe you were watching a different game than me. The game when he had 200+ yards in particular, he hit the hole hard and blasted up the middle several times. I watched every game this guy has played he can run tough inside. Texas didnt have the best offensive line this year, he did good in spite of that. Guess we will have to agree to disagree. He ran solid all year long. I never argued the fumbling problem.

That game doesn't count. It was against Nebraska.

Just the one I remembered off the top of my head. I TIVO every longhorn game and watch them intensely because I have no other hobbies. Of course this doesnt make me any type of expert, I just pay attention. I really think Charles is going to surprise a lot of people in the NFL. He has all the talent. He CAN run inside and he did a lot this past year. He has unbelievable breakaway speed and he is a lot tougher than people are giving him credit for. Half the time the people posting here just repost what they have read and didnt actually see the guy play.

Well, I am not just repeating something I read; I've felt this way about Charles since last year and he did nothing this year to disprove that thought. I haven't seen this toughness you're referring to and we never disputed him not running between the tackles, we said his big plays between the tackles were a product of a big hole and breakaway speed. He didn't get hit on the big plays, that won't happen in the NFL. Show me some plays in which Charles ran between the tackles fighting off defender's for extra yardage, I never saw any but I'd think someone who watched every Longhorn game intensely would have picked up on some. Show them.

OK, come on over to my house and we will watch them on my TIVO.

Nothing bothers me more than people trying to argue their viewpoint and then telling the other party in the argument to "show me the clips of blibidy blah blah." Like someone is going to pull out their archive of game film and splice together a collection of plays to prove their point. So dumb.ETA: Nothing against MAC, just been wanting to get that one off my chest for a while now.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

Charles is going to be a solid pro. He did have some fumble troubles but I think that can be fixed with a good RB coach. He has burst like you wouldnt believe if you havent seen this guy play. He is also a tougher inside runner than people give him credit for. He is one of those guys who can take any carry to the house.

I don't know what you've seen out of him that suggests he is a tough inside runner, but I strongly disagree with that assessment. He runs off balance, is easily knocked down - lacks toughness, and fumbles too much. Not to mention the liability in the passing game.

Maybe you were watching a different game than me. The game when he had 200+ yards in particular, he hit the hole hard and blasted up the middle several times. I watched every game this guy has played he can run tough inside. Texas didnt have the best offensive line this year, he did good in spite of that. Guess we will have to agree to disagree. He ran solid all year long. I never argued the fumbling problem.

That game doesn't count. It was against Nebraska.

Just the one I remembered off the top of my head. I TIVO every longhorn game and watch them intensely because I have no other hobbies. Of course this doesnt make me any type of expert, I just pay attention. I really think Charles is going to surprise a lot of people in the NFL. He has all the talent. He CAN run inside and he did a lot this past year. He has unbelievable breakaway speed and he is a lot tougher than people are giving him credit for. Half the time the people posting here just repost what they have read and didnt actually see the guy play.

Well, I am not just repeating something I read; I've felt this way about Charles since last year and he did nothing this year to disprove that thought. I haven't seen this toughness you're referring to and we never disputed him not running between the tackles, we said his big plays between the tackles were a product of a big hole and breakaway speed. He didn't get hit on the big plays, that won't happen in the NFL. Show me some plays in which Charles ran between the tackles fighting off defender's for extra yardage, I never saw any but I'd think someone who watched every Longhorn game intensely would have picked up on some. Show them.

OK, come on over to my house and we will watch them on my TIVO.

 

[KSUinSFO]

Charles is going to be a solid pro. He did have some fumble troubles but I think that can be fixed with a good RB coach. He has burst like you wouldnt believe if you havent seen this guy play. He is also a tougher inside runner than people give him credit for. He is one of those guys who can take any carry to the house.

I don't know what you've seen out of him that suggests he is a tough inside runner, but I strongly disagree with that assessment. He runs off balance, is easily knocked down - lacks toughness, and fumbles too much. Not to mention the liability in the passing game.

Maybe you were watching a different game than me. The game when he had 200+ yards in particular, he hit the hole hard and blasted up the middle several times. I watched every game this guy has played he can run tough inside. Texas didnt have the best offensive line this year, he did good in spite of that. Guess we will have to agree to disagree. He ran solid all year long. I never argued the fumbling problem.

That game doesn't count. It was against Nebraska.

Amen!

 

[jeter23]

A little more from DraftDaddy--

One of our sources in Indy, who watched the running backs workout at the RCA Dome, gives us some quick thoughts:

Darren McFadden ~ Arkansas -- He is a faster version of Eric Dickerson, but can't block anyone.

Jonathan Stewart ~ Oregon -- This Duck is the total package and he is a lot like Jamal Lewis.

Ray Rice ~ Rutgers -- His production within the offensive tackles is unparrelled and that is the N.F.L.

Chris Johnson ~ East Carolina -- This speedster will make an quick impact because he is also a special teams ace.

Reshard Mendenhall ~ Illinios -- Powerful back, fits well in a throwing offensive. Would be a great fit in Arizona.

Steve Slaton ~ West Virginia -- He's is going to be a great slot RB/WR, ala Reggie Bush. Will fit nicely with the Chargers or Patriots.

Kevin Smith ~ Central Florida -- Former C-USA star possesses the best lateral jump step since Barry Sanders.

Mike Hart ~ Michigan -- His three cone performance shows you why he is good, even at 4.7 (bty, Emmit Smith ran a 4.7).

 

[Avery]

A little more from DraftDaddy--

One of our sources in Indy, who watched the running backs workout at the RCA Dome, gives us some quick thoughts:

Darren McFadden ~ Arkansas -- He is a faster version of Eric Dickerson, but can't block anyone.

Jonathan Stewart ~ Oregon -- This Duck is the total package and he is a lot like Jamal Lewis.

Ray Rice ~ Rutgers -- His production within the offensive tackles is unparrelled and that is the N.F.L.

Chris Johnson ~ East Carolina -- This speedster will make an quick impact because he is also a special teams ace.

Reshard Mendenhall ~ Illinios -- Powerful back, fits well in a throwing offensive. Would be a great fit in Arizona.

Steve Slaton ~ West Virginia -- He's is going to be a great slot RB/WR, ala Reggie Bush. Will fit nicely with the Chargers or Patriots.

Kevin Smith ~ Central Florida -- Former C-USA star possesses the best lateral jump step since Barry Sanders.

Mike Hart ~ Michigan -- His three cone performance shows you why he is good, even at 4.7 (bty, Emmit Smith ran a 4.7).

Like McFadden or not, this is the biggest red flag for first year RB production for if you can't block, you won't play on many downs.

 

[Texasmouth]

A little more from DraftDaddy--One of our sources in Indy, who watched the running backs workout at the RCA Dome, gives us some quick thoughts: Darren McFadden ~ Arkansas -- He is a faster version of Eric Dickerson, but can't block anyone. Jonathan Stewart ~ Oregon -- This Duck is the total package and he is a lot like Jamal Lewis. Ray Rice ~ Rutgers -- His production within the offensive tackles is unparrelled and that is the N.F.L. Chris Johnson ~ East Carolina -- This speedster will make an quick impact because he is also a special teams ace. Reshard Mendenhall ~ Illinios -- Powerful back, fits well in a throwing offensive. Would be a great fit in Arizona. Steve Slaton ~ West Virginia -- He's is going to be a great slot RB/WR, ala Reggie Bush. Will fit nicely with the Chargers or Patriots. Kevin Smith ~ Central Florida -- Former C-USA star possesses the best lateral jump step since Barry Sanders. Mike Hart ~ Michigan -- His three cone performance shows you why he is good, even at 4.7 (bty, Emmit Smith ran a 4.7).

Felix Jones?

 

[MAC_32]

Charles is going to be a solid pro. He did have some fumble troubles but I think that can be fixed with a good RB coach. He has burst like you wouldnt believe if you havent seen this guy play. He is also a tougher inside runner than people give him credit for. He is one of those guys who can take any carry to the house.

I don't know what you've seen out of him that suggests he is a tough inside runner, but I strongly disagree with that assessment. He runs off balance, is easily knocked down - lacks toughness, and fumbles too much. Not to mention the liability in the passing game.

Maybe you were watching a different game than me. The game when he had 200+ yards in particular, he hit the hole hard and blasted up the middle several times. I watched every game this guy has played he can run tough inside. Texas didnt have the best offensive line this year, he did good in spite of that. Guess we will have to agree to disagree. He ran solid all year long. I never argued the fumbling problem.

That game doesn't count. It was against Nebraska.

Just the one I remembered off the top of my head. I TIVO every longhorn game and watch them intensely because I have no other hobbies. Of course this doesnt make me any type of expert, I just pay attention. I really think Charles is going to surprise a lot of people in the NFL. He has all the talent. He CAN run inside and he did a lot this past year. He has unbelievable breakaway speed and he is a lot tougher than people are giving him credit for. Half the time the people posting here just repost what they have read and didnt actually see the guy play.

Well, I am not just repeating something I read; I've felt this way about Charles since last year and he did nothing this year to disprove that thought. I haven't seen this toughness you're referring to and we never disputed him not running between the tackles, we said his big plays between the tackles were a product of a big hole and breakaway speed. He didn't get hit on the big plays, that won't happen in the NFL. Show me some plays in which Charles ran between the tackles fighting off defender's for extra yardage, I never saw any but I'd think someone who watched every Longhorn game intensely would have picked up on some. Show them.

OK, come on over to my house and we will watch them on my TIVO.

Nothing bothers me more than people trying to argue their viewpoint and then telling the other party in the argument to "show me the clips of blibidy blah blah." Like someone is going to pull out their archive of game film and splice together a collection of plays to prove their point. So dumb.ETA: Nothing against MAC, just been wanting to get that one off my chest for a while now.

I just want to see this toughness he's talking about, I've never seen it and I've watched my fair share of Texas football. As a homer I'm less inclined to believe him. However, he has watched more Texas football than I have and if I were to see this toughness he speaks of my mind could be changed regarding Charles as this item is the one that red flags me the most. This could be very beneficial before my dyno drafts this summer.

 

[vandyt]

No talk of Sedrick Ellis' 5.2 40 that was posted on the last page?

If thats legit, thats beyond horrible.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

A little more from DraftDaddy--One of our sources in Indy, who watched the running backs workout at the RCA Dome, gives us some quick thoughts: Darren McFadden ~ Arkansas -- He is a faster version of Eric Dickerson, but can't block anyone. Jonathan Stewart ~ Oregon -- This Duck is the total package and he is a lot like Jamal Lewis. Ray Rice ~ Rutgers -- His production within the offensive tackles is unparrelled and that is the N.F.L. Chris Johnson ~ East Carolina -- This speedster will make an quick impact because he is also a special teams ace. Reshard Mendenhall ~ Illinios -- Powerful back, fits well in a throwing offensive. Would be a great fit in Arizona. Steve Slaton ~ West Virginia -- He's is going to be a great slot RB/WR, ala Reggie Bush. Will fit nicely with the Chargers or Patriots. Kevin Smith ~ Central Florida -- Former C-USA star possesses the best lateral jump step since Barry Sanders. Mike Hart ~ Michigan -- His three cone performance shows you why he is good, even at 4.7 (bty, Emmit Smith ran a 4.7).

Jon Stewart a total package, a lot like Jamal Lewis.........Jamal Lewis is an average blocker at best and is less than average at catching the ball. I don't think Jamal Lewis is the total package in terms of all around running backs.What gets me about all this talk (and I understand there's not much else to talk about this time of year in football) is that we constantly hear all the positives and how great this person is going to be and how this person is going to be good for this team when the bottom line is many of these guys will be flat out busts. You'll have a couple of these guys who end up with solid NFL careers and then you'll have guys for various reasons who just.....didn't. I see two comparisons in there to Hall of Fame Rb's in Barry and Emmitt, they have a lot to do before we compare them to those guys.Best lateral jump since Barry Sanders.....Kevin Smith will be lucky to have a lateral jump like Ladanian Tomlinson. Reggie Bush to me is not a great RB/WR, he's borderline bust IMO.And the comparison of McFadden to Dickerson, I don't understand because I've heard that McFadden's weakness is that he's dead on contact. Eric Dickerson although wasn't a "power" back, the dude would/could run you over. He used to bring up those knees high and he'd rarely if ever run out of bounds, he'd take you on. Eric Dickerson is probably one of the most underrated backs in NFL history, that's how good Eric Dickerson is. If McFadden does those things, runs over people, then it may be a fair comparison but that's the kind of back Dickerson was.

 

[MAC_32]

No talk of Sedrick Ellis' 5.2 40 that was posted on the last page?If thats legit, thats beyond horrible.

The 40's over-rated to start with, a DL's 40 is border line irrelevant.

 

[jeter23]

*Former Louisiana State University star Jacob Hester can play a hybrid role as a halfback/fullback in the N.F.L......He may wind up as an H-back type, but our N.F.L. source thinks he is the kind of guy the Patriots will draft to eventually replace Kevin Faulk, who is also from Louisiana.

*Meanwhile, versatile Arkansas Razorback Peyton Hillis is one of the most athletic fullbacks around. A team like the Washington Redskins, under Joe Gibbs or Marty Schottenheimer, would utilize this type back extensively. But there are not many teams these days who feature the fullback that much, so if Peyton's gonna get drafted as high as he should be, a team will need to feel he can play some tailback -- as he did for Mike Martz at the Senior Bowl.

*Many N.F.L. scouts feel Owen Schmitt is fairly unidimensional. If you want a head cracker this is your guy - think recent A.F.C. All-Pro Lorenzo Neal. He is the new Lorenzo Neal. But look what is happening to Neal now in San Diego?....He is going to be cut, in large part, because Norv Turner never uses a fullback.....Pittsburgh might be the best fit for Schmitt. Cincinnati and Green Bay would also be good fits.

*Tennessee used a fullback a lot under Norm Chow, but Mike Heimerdinger does not. He uses a lot of three wide receiver sets and he will do the same next season with Vince Young

*The Titans absolutely have to sign tight end Alge Crumpler and our source expects that will happen by this Thursday. He is meeting with Tennessee's top execs today.

*Former East Carolina tailback Chris Johnson projects as a faster Brian Westbrook and is the most game ready to play this coming season, because he could make a huge impact on special teams.

*Former Auburn star Quentin Groves' ten yard split was among the best ever at any Indy Combine. He is at Dwight Freeney and Bruce Smith's level in that sense. But many scouts think he's ill fit to a 3-4 defense and better as a 4-3 defensive end, who would be let loose to wreck havoc. Scouts tell you to look at his Tennessee Tech game, in which he did not fare well in the 3-4 base. When he went back to a 4-3 end he was a monster -- check the South Florida tape.

*Also, the 3 cone score will elevate some wide receivers and hurt others. For example, the year Anquan Boldin came out people will remember he ran a slow 4.77 in the 40 yard dash, but he did have the third best cone score....Arizona took him in round 2 and many thought they were making another draft day mistake. But his first day in the N.F.L. he had over 200 yards in catches because he is fast out of breaks...This years wide receiver to watch is Earl Bennett of Vanderbilt. He ran a 4.51, but he had this years third best cone score and this should help people understand why this wide receiver lit up the best SEC defenses....Our source thinks Bennett will likely make a faster impact than James Hardy, Limas Sweed or Malcolm Kelley.

 

[JetMaxx]

A little more from DraftDaddy--One of our sources in Indy, who watched the running backs workout at the RCA Dome, gives us some quick thoughts: Darren McFadden ~ Arkansas -- He is a faster version of Eric Dickerson, but can't block anyone. Jonathan Stewart ~ Oregon -- This Duck is the total package and he is a lot like Jamal Lewis. Ray Rice ~ Rutgers -- His production within the offensive tackles is unparrelled and that is the N.F.L. Chris Johnson ~ East Carolina -- This speedster will make an quick impact because he is also a special teams ace. Reshard Mendenhall ~ Illinios -- Powerful back, fits well in a throwing offensive. Would be a great fit in Arizona. Steve Slaton ~ West Virginia -- He's is going to be a great slot RB/WR, ala Reggie Bush. Will fit nicely with the Chargers or Patriots. Kevin Smith ~ Central Florida -- Former C-USA star possesses the best lateral jump step since Barry Sanders. Mike Hart ~ Michigan -- His three cone performance shows you why he is good, even at 4.7 (bty, Emmit Smith ran a 4.7).

Jon Stewart a total package, a lot like Jamal Lewis.........Jamal Lewis is an average blocker at best and is less than average at catching the ball. I don't think Jamal Lewis is the total package in terms of all around running backs.What gets me about all this talk (and I understand there's not much else to talk about this time of year in football) is that we constantly hear all the positives and how great this person is going to be and how this person is going to be good for this team when the bottom line is many of these guys will be flat out busts. You'll have a couple of these guys who end up with solid NFL careers and then you'll have guys for various reasons who just.....didn't. I see two comparisons in there to Hall of Fame Rb's in Barry and Emmitt, they have a lot to do before we compare them to those guys.Best lateral jump since Barry Sanders.....Kevin Smith will be lucky to have a lateral jump like Ladanian Tomlinson. Reggie Bush to me is not a great RB/WR, he's borderline bust IMO.And the comparison of McFadden to Dickerson, I don't understand because I've heard that McFadden's weakness is that he's dead on contact. Eric Dickerson although wasn't a "power" back, the dude would/could run you over. He used to bring up those knees high and he'd rarely if ever run out of bounds, he'd take you on. Eric Dickerson is probably one of the most underrated backs in NFL history, that's how good Eric Dickerson is. If McFadden does those things, runs over people, then it may be a fair comparison but that's the kind of back Dickerson was.

 

[Liquid Tension]

A little more from DraftDaddy--One of our sources in Indy, who watched the running backs workout at the RCA Dome, gives us some quick thoughts: Darren McFadden ~ Arkansas -- He is a faster version of Eric Dickerson, but can't block anyone. Jonathan Stewart ~ Oregon -- This Duck is the total package and he is a lot like Jamal Lewis. Ray Rice ~ Rutgers -- His production within the offensive tackles is unparrelled and that is the N.F.L. Chris Johnson ~ East Carolina -- This speedster will make an quick impact because he is also a special teams ace. Reshard Mendenhall ~ Illinios -- Powerful back, fits well in a throwing offensive. Would be a great fit in Arizona. Steve Slaton ~ West Virginia -- He's is going to be a great slot RB/WR, ala Reggie Bush. Will fit nicely with the Chargers or Patriots. Kevin Smith ~ Central Florida -- Former C-USA star possesses the best lateral jump step since Barry Sanders. Mike Hart ~ Michigan -- His three cone performance shows you why he is good, even at 4.7 (bty, Emmit Smith ran a 4.7).

So, basically they are saying that this is the best RB class to ever come out and we will see five 1st round RB's who will all be major contributors Pardon my cynicism, especially when jeter has done such a great job with this thread, but for one of the few times, it seems like the people on this thread have more perspective than a site. I would like to see some of the concerns they see with each back, how do their strengths and weaknesses translating the game on the pro level and analysis like that. "His three cone performance shows you why he is good" is absurd if you ask me because that is not why he is so good...unless you combine it with great balance/leverage, anticipation/vision, strength etc...

 

[Burning Sensation]

A little more from DraftDaddy--

One of our sources in Indy, who watched the running backs workout at the RCA Dome, gives us some quick thoughts:

Darren McFadden ~ Arkansas -- He is a faster version of Eric Dickerson, but can't block anyone.

Jonathan Stewart ~ Oregon -- This Duck is the total package and he is a lot like Jamal Lewis.

Ray Rice ~ Rutgers -- His production within the offensive tackles is unparrelled and that is the N.F.L.

Chris Johnson ~ East Carolina -- This speedster will make an quick impact because he is also a special teams ace.

Reshard Mendenhall ~ Illinios -- Powerful back, fits well in a throwing offensive. Would be a great fit in Arizona.

Steve Slaton ~ West Virginia -- He's is going to be a great slot RB/WR, ala Reggie Bush. Will fit nicely with the Chargers or Patriots.

Kevin Smith ~ Central Florida -- Former C-USA star possesses the best lateral jump step since Barry Sanders.

Mike Hart ~ Michigan -- His three cone performance shows you why he is good, even at 4.7 (bty, Emmit Smith ran a 4.7).

So, basically they are saying that this is the best RB class to ever come out and we will see five 1st round RB's who will all be major contributors Pardon my cynicism, especially when jeter has done such a great job with this thread, but for one of the few times, it seems like the people on this thread have more perspective than a site. I would like to see some of the concerns they see with each back, how do their strengths and weaknesses translating the game on the pro level and analysis like that. "His three cone performance shows you why he is good" is absurd if you ask me because that is not why he is so good...unless you combine it with great balance/leverage, anticipation/vision, strength etc...

The only thing people in this thread, and any other thread do is regurgitate information they read on sites like this. Argue selected information as if it were their own idea, and this of course is all based on their own dynasty team bias.

 

[delusional]

*Former East Carolina tailback Chris Johnson projects as a faster Brian Westbrook and is the most game ready to play this coming season, because he could make a huge impact on special teams.

I would be pretty excited to be compared to Westy. Basically being compared to the best overall RB in the NFL..only faster. Westbrook really isn't that fast, he is just so agile and shifty. Still thats a compliment if i ever seen one.

 

[Burning Sensation]

*Former East Carolina tailback Chris Johnson projects as a faster Brian Westbrook and is the most game ready to play this coming season, because he could make a huge impact on special teams.

I would be pretty excited to be compared to Westy. Basically being compared to the best overall RB in the NFL..only faster. Westbrook really isn't that fast, he is just so agile and shifty. Still thats a compliment if i ever seen one.

Sure is, but if he was really a faster, younger Westbrook, i am guesing he would be the first overall pick.

 

[Duke1948]

...but westbrook was drafted in the 3rd round, he wasn't that highly though of , more of a change of pace guy and punt returner type.

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

*Look for Byron Leftwich's name to possibly surface in San Francisco. Martz thinks he can re-energize him and Alex Smith's support in the Bay Area is on life support.

If Martz can make Leftwich's release quick enough to work in his offense, then there's nothing he can't do as a QB coach.

Leftwich in Martz's scheme sound like just about the worst fit I could imagine. Average to below average decision making, questionable decision making speed, and a long, slow delivery doesn't sound much like a Martz system QB.

I totally agree here. I see Leftwich going to a team as a back-up with a strong OL to protect for him..a team like Minnesota maybe.

 

[JAA]

I would watch out for a WCO team taking slaton mid 2nd-3rd. He would be a great 8-15 touch RB/WR type.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

A little more from DraftDaddy--

One of our sources in Indy, who watched the running backs workout at the RCA Dome, gives us some quick thoughts:

Darren McFadden ~ Arkansas -- He is a faster version of Eric Dickerson, but can't block anyone.

Jonathan Stewart ~ Oregon -- This Duck is the total package and he is a lot like Jamal Lewis.

Ray Rice ~ Rutgers -- His production within the offensive tackles is unparrelled and that is the N.F.L.

Chris Johnson ~ East Carolina -- This speedster will make an quick impact because he is also a special teams ace.

Reshard Mendenhall ~ Illinios -- Powerful back, fits well in a throwing offensive. Would be a great fit in Arizona.

Steve Slaton ~ West Virginia -- He's is going to be a great slot RB/WR, ala Reggie Bush. Will fit nicely with the Chargers or Patriots.

Kevin Smith ~ Central Florida -- Former C-USA star possesses the best lateral jump step since Barry Sanders.

Mike Hart ~ Michigan -- His three cone performance shows you why he is good, even at 4.7 (bty, Emmit Smith ran a 4.7).

So, basically they are saying that this is the best RB class to ever come out and we will see five 1st round RB's who will all be major contributors Pardon my cynicism, especially when jeter has done such a great job with this thread, but for one of the few times, it seems like the people on this thread have more perspective than a site. I would like to see some of the concerns they see with each back, how do their strengths and weaknesses translating the game on the pro level and analysis like that. "His three cone performance shows you why he is good" is absurd if you ask me because that is not why he is so good...unless you combine it with great balance/leverage, anticipation/vision, strength etc...

The only thing people in this thread, and any other thread do is regurgitate information they read on sites like this. Argue selected information as if it were their own idea, and this of course is all based on their own dynasty team bias.

This is correct and I don't mean to be too critical in my above statement and certainly it isn't directed to the original poster. I'm as guilty as anyone in doing such things and again, what else is there really to talk about besides possible trade rumors at this time of the year. I'm just saying, when we all start talking about this guy moves like Barry, this guy has vision like Emmitt, this guy is the faster version of Eric Dickerson.We have to stop and think about what we're saying. Because the faster version of Erick Dickerson is basically superman, I mean it.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

*Former Auburn star Quentin Groves' ten yard split was among the best ever at any Indy Combine. He is at Dwight Freeney and Bruce Smith's level in that sense. But many scouts think he's ill fit to a 3-4 defense and better as a 4-3 defensive end, who would be let loose to wreck havoc. Scouts tell you to look at his Tennessee Tech game, in which he did not fare well in the 3-4 base. When he went back to a 4-3 end he was a monster -- check the South Florida tape.

*Also, the 3 cone score will elevate some wide receivers and hurt others. For example, the year Anquan Boldin came out people will remember he ran a slow 4.77 in the 40 yard dash, but he did have the third best cone score....Arizona took him in round 2 and many thought they were making another draft day mistake. But his first day in the N.F.L. he had over 200 yards in catches because he is fast out of breaks...This years wide receiver to watch is Earl Bennett of Vanderbilt. He ran a 4.51, but he had this years third best cone score and this should help people understand why this wide receiver lit up the best SEC defenses....Our source thinks Bennett will likely make a faster impact than James Hardy, Limas Sweed or Malcolm Kelley.

That part about Groves' split is amazing. These are the two guys that I dream about as a Vikings fan. I don't think Groves lasts until the 17th pick though, and Bennett will likely be gone before their 2nd round pick as well. Here's to hoping.

 

[saintfool]

...but westbrook was drafted in the 3rd round, he wasn't that highly though of , more of a change of pace guy and punt returner type.

westbrook is also the beneficiary of the system he's in. i don't think he'd fit in most other offensive schemes.

 

[flranger]

...but westbrook was drafted in the 3rd round, he wasn't that highly though of , more of a change of pace guy and punt returner type.

westbrook is also the beneficiary of the system he's in. i don't think he'd fit in most other offensive schemes.

BWAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHHAAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!Clearly one of the most ridiculous posts ever. Maybe I got doped and that was sarcasm. If not, wow.

 

[LILB811]

...but westbrook was drafted in the 3rd round, he wasn't that highly though of , more of a change of pace guy and punt returner type.

westbrook is also the beneficiary of the system he's in. i don't think he'd fit in most other offensive schemes.

BWAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHHAAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!Clearly one of the most ridiculous posts ever. Maybe I got doped and that was sarcasm. If not, wow.

He's average at best....

 

[redman]

...but westbrook was drafted in the 3rd round, he wasn't that highly though of , more of a change of pace guy and punt returner type.

westbrook is also the beneficiary of the system he's in. i don't think he'd fit in most other offensive schemes.

BWAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHHAAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!Clearly one of the most ridiculous posts ever. Maybe I got doped and that was sarcasm. If not, wow.

He's average at best....

He's got a non-standard mix of football talents for a RB to be sure, but he's far above average. When someone is as good as he is overall, I won't hold it against him if he isn't a 20-carry RB, just like I didn't hold it against Marshall Faulk.

 

[Bob Henry]

A little more from DraftDaddy--One of our sources in Indy, who watched the running backs workout at the RCA Dome, gives us some quick thoughts: Darren McFadden ~ Arkansas -- He is a faster version of Eric Dickerson, but can't block anyone. Jonathan Stewart ~ Oregon -- This Duck is the total package and he is a lot like Jamal Lewis. Ray Rice ~ Rutgers -- His production within the offensive tackles is unparrelled and that is the N.F.L. Chris Johnson ~ East Carolina -- This speedster will make an quick impact because he is also a special teams ace. Reshard Mendenhall ~ Illinios -- Powerful back, fits well in a throwing offensive. Would be a great fit in Arizona. Steve Slaton ~ West Virginia -- He's is going to be a great slot RB/WR, ala Reggie Bush. Will fit nicely with the Chargers or Patriots. Kevin Smith ~ Central Florida -- Former C-USA star possesses the best lateral jump step since Barry Sanders. Mike Hart ~ Michigan -- His three cone performance shows you why he is good, even at 4.7 (bty, Emmit Smith ran a 4.7).

So, basically they are saying that this is the best RB class to ever come out and we will see five 1st round RB's who will all be major contributors Pardon my cynicism, especially when jeter has done such a great job with this thread, but for one of the few times, it seems like the people on this thread have more perspective than a site. I would like to see some of the concerns they see with each back, how do their strengths and weaknesses translating the game on the pro level and analysis like that. "His three cone performance shows you why he is good" is absurd if you ask me because that is not why he is so good...unless you combine it with great balance/leverage, anticipation/vision, strength etc...

Great points. I think most people in the Shark Pool, and those in this thread, know how to temper their enthusiasm especially surrounding the events that transpire at the Combine when guys are in shorts and not playing football with 10 other guys.It's important to be familiar with each player's strengths so we can evaluate them and know what separates one guy from the next, but as you point out, that also needs to be down on their weaknesses as well.For example, I love Chris Johnson's speed and athleticism as much as anyone, but I have real concerns due to his lack of size about his ability to pick up the blitz and block in general.I don't have enough time to go further with this right now, but it's something we should explore more in this thread.

 

[Max Power]

*Former Auburn star Quentin Groves' ten yard split was among the best ever at any Indy Combine. He is at Dwight Freeney and Bruce Smith's level in that sense. But many scouts think he's ill fit to a 3-4 defense and better as a 4-3 defensive end, who would be let loose to wreck havoc. Scouts tell you to look at his Tennessee Tech game, in which he did not fare well in the 3-4 base. When he went back to a 4-3 end he was a monster -- check the South Florida tape.

*Also, the 3 cone score will elevate some wide receivers and hurt others. For example, the year Anquan Boldin came out people will remember he ran a slow 4.77 in the 40 yard dash, but he did have the third best cone score....Arizona took him in round 2 and many thought they were making another draft day mistake. But his first day in the N.F.L. he had over 200 yards in catches because he is fast out of breaks...This years wide receiver to watch is Earl Bennett of Vanderbilt. He ran a 4.51, but he had this years third best cone score and this should help people understand why this wide receiver lit up the best SEC defenses....Our source thinks Bennett will likely make a faster impact than James Hardy, Limas Sweed or Malcolm Kelley.

That part about Groves' split is amazing. These are the two guys that I dream about as a Vikings fan. I don't think Groves lasts until the 17th pick though, and Bennett will likely be gone before their 2nd round pick as well. Here's to hoping.

Bennett is rumored to be high on the Broncos list. I can't remember where I saw it, but Bennett has been training with Cutler and Brandon Marshall during the offseason.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Bennett is rumored to be high on the Broncos list. I can't remember where I saw it, but Bennett has been training with Cutler and Brandon Marshall during the offseason.

I've read that as well. I'm sure Cutler knows a little bit about Bennett as I think EB was a freshman the last year Cutler was at Vanderbilt.But he couldn't go as high as 1.12, could he?

 

[Max Power]

Bennett is rumored to be high on the Broncos list. I can't remember where I saw it, but Bennett has been training with Cutler and Brandon Marshall during the offseason.

I've read that as well. I'm sure Cutler knows a little bit about Bennett as I think EB was a freshman the last year Cutler was at Vanderbilt.But he couldn't go as high as 1.12, could he?

I hope not, but I don't think the Broncos will have an issue moving down or up to get who they want. I think Bennett is Ranked as the 4th-5th best WR in this class by most. However everything I read about him seems very positive. With the injury issues of Kelly and Sweed, Bennett is looking like a safer pick.ETA: Wow, I thought Bennett was rated higher, some sites have him as low as 10th best WR in the class.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Bennett is rumored to be high on the Broncos list. I can't remember where I saw it, but Bennett has been training with Cutler and Brandon Marshall during the offseason.

I've read that as well. I'm sure Cutler knows a little bit about Bennett as I think EB was a freshman the last year Cutler was at Vanderbilt.But he couldn't go as high as 1.12, could he?

I hope not, but I don't think the Broncos will have an issue moving down or up to get who they want. I think Bennett is Ranked as the 4th-5th best WR in this class by most. However everything I read about him seems very positive. With the injury issues of Kelly and Sweed, Bennett is looking like a safer pick.

I can't see him leapfrogging Reggie Kelly and Devin Thomas. Maybe Sweed, though.I think the difficulty in ranking the WRs this year is that while there isn't a real elite guy among them, there are a lot of really good ones.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Maybe someone can help me put things in perspective. Where would Brandon Jackson fit into this years draft?

 

[Burning Sensation]

Maybe someone can help me put things in perspective. Where would Brandon Jackson fit into this years draft?

In my unexpert opinion, i would say 10-12 range.

 

[Cookiemonster]

*Former Auburn star Quentin Groves' ten yard split was among the best ever at any Indy Combine. He is at Dwight Freeney and Bruce Smith's level in that sense. But many scouts think he's ill fit to a 3-4 defense and better as a 4-3 defensive end, who would be let loose to wreck havoc. Scouts tell you to look at his Tennessee Tech game, in which he did not fare well in the 3-4 base. When he went back to a 4-3 end he was a monster -- check the South Florida tape.

*Also, the 3 cone score will elevate some wide receivers and hurt others. For example, the year Anquan Boldin came out people will remember he ran a slow 4.77 in the 40 yard dash, but he did have the third best cone score....Arizona took him in round 2 and many thought they were making another draft day mistake. But his first day in the N.F.L. he had over 200 yards in catches because he is fast out of breaks...This years wide receiver to watch is Earl Bennett of Vanderbilt. He ran a 4.51, but he had this years third best cone score and this should help people understand why this wide receiver lit up the best SEC defenses....Our source thinks Bennett will likely make a faster impact than James Hardy, Limas Sweed or Malcolm Kelley.

That part about Groves' split is amazing. These are the two guys that I dream about as a Vikings fan. I don't think Groves lasts until the 17th pick though, and Bennett will likely be gone before their 2nd round pick as well. Here's to hoping.

Unless the Vikes are looking at a 3-4, I'd temper your enthusiasm for Groves. He'd be a pretty good situational pass rusher as a 4-3 end, but his calling should come as a 3-4 OLB.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Maybe someone can help me put things in perspective. Where would Brandon Jackson fit into this years draft?

After Jones and Rice, and possibly Johnson. I'd say just above Forte and Charles.

 

[faux_bear]

Maybe someone can help me put things in perspective. Where would Brandon Jackson fit into this years draft?

this is a bad question, as it can only be answered under the bias of knowing that he had a disappointing rookie season.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Unless the Vikes are looking at a 3-4, I'd temper your enthusiasm for Groves. He'd be a pretty good situational pass rusher as a 4-3 end, but his calling should come as a 3-4 OLB.

Actually, that's exactly what they need. I personally think he's a bit more than just situational, but point taken.I'm game for either he or Derrick Harvey.

It's probably irrelevant as there's a strong likelihood that Arizona takes Groves.

 

[Barry Jive and The Uptown Five]

Unless the Vikes are looking at a 3-4, I'd temper your enthusiasm for Groves. He'd be a pretty good situational pass rusher as a 4-3 end, but his calling should come as a 3-4 OLB.

Actually, that's exactly what they need. I personally think he's a bit more than just situational, but point taken.I'm game for either he or Derrick Harvey.

It's probably irrelevant as there's a strong likelihood that Arizona takes Groves.

Heaven forbid he would fall as low as 23.... the Stillers, despite all their offensive needs, would have to take a very long look at QG. Classic OLB-DE twener that they need. Can play today as a 3-4 OLB and make a transition to the 4-3 DE when and if they ever make the philosophical change in their scheme.

 

[Riflemen]

Unless the Vikes are looking at a 3-4, I'd temper your enthusiasm for Groves. He'd be a pretty good situational pass rusher as a 4-3 end, but his calling should come as a 3-4 OLB.

Actually, that's exactly what they need. I personally think he's a bit more than just situational, but point taken.I'm game for either he or Derrick Harvey.

It's probably irrelevant as there's a strong likelihood that Arizona takes Groves.

Yeah when I mocked Arizona I was targeting Harvey (went pick before me) or Groves in the 2nd (Attempting to move up to snag him in the top 5 picks or so). He went late in the first. Arizona should look for a DE/OLB like Harvey or Grove with their first pick, tap a CB with #81 and then hope a RB with a future drops to them in the 3rd. The deep RB/CB draft works in the Cards favor this year.

 

[Liquid Tension]

*Former East Carolina tailback Chris Johnson projects as a faster Brian Westbrook and is the most game ready to play this coming season, because he could make a huge impact on special teams.

I would be pretty excited to be compared to Westy. Basically being compared to the best overall RB in the NFL..only faster. Westbrook really isn't that fast, he is just so agile and shifty. Still thats a compliment if i ever seen one.

the thing about Westbrook is that he almost always beats a guy one on one and that is a GREAT feature

 

[Liquid Tension]

*Look for Byron Leftwich's name to possibly surface in San Francisco. Martz thinks he can re-energize him and Alex Smith's support in the Bay Area is on life support.

If Martz can make Leftwich's release quick enough to work in his offense, then there's nothing he can't do as a QB coach.

Leftwich in Martz's scheme sound like just about the worst fit I could imagine. Average to below average decision making, questionable decision making speed, and a long, slow delivery doesn't sound much like a Martz system QB.

I totally agree here. I see Leftwich going to a team as a back-up with a strong OL to protect for him..a team like Minnesota maybe.

He would be the starter in Minnesota.