Running two teams - good idea? (1 Viewer)

[Andrew74]

I am the commish in a 12 team dynasty league at work. We had to kick an owner out because he literally stopped responding to the league. He has a marginal team, hurt by Manning injury last year. But he does play in the weakest division.

We are having a hard time finding an owner and at this point have no leads. My league mates don't want to put anymore $ into the league to subsidize the team for a year (it is only $40 entry fee). We have a month until our draft.

I have thought about putting up the $40 for the team and running it myself, hoping to make the team better and land an owner next year. Is this a good idea? How do I handle interactions between my two teams (trades, HTH lineup submissions, waiver wire, etc)? Anyone have an idea on alternatives if we can't find an owner?

 

[gandalas]

Post it in the Looking for Teams section in these forums. Odds are, you will get a bite. Even if you have to cover part of the costs to get a new owner in there for this season, you should be able to do it.

If you SHOULD have to run the team, there should be ZERO activity between the 2 teams. No trades, if one team drops a player, the other one should not be allowed to pick that player up for X number of weeks, in H2H matchups, let someone else pick the starters, or use your best judgement.

But you should be able to find a new owner in the next 3 months before the season starts, no problem. Unless the previous owner COMPLETELY destroyed the team, somebody should pick it up. But like I said, you may have to offer it at half price or something.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Instead of asking other teams to subsidize (or you footing the bill), just lower the pool a bit for this year. Like the other posters suggested though, just post that you are looking for a new team in the other forum and you should get a bite (especially if no fee for this year).

I had a similar situation in one of my leagues, and the team was horribad. We still got an owner to take it for 1/2 price ($50 instead of $100). We also gave the guy an extra 1st round pick (1.13) to help him rebuild since that's in the best interest of the league. Think outside the box.

I'd recommend against running two teams yourself.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

Could you have it be co-managed by someone in another division in addition to you or a Co-Commissioner?

 

[David Yudkin]

I would not suggest having two teams in one league no matter how impartial you may be. There will always be a chance people will think you are siding with one team over another, whether it be directly or indirectly. For example, someone could accuse you of not picking up a player off of waivers on one squad and adding him to the other team instead. People will suggest you didn't play the right starters on one of the teams and that ended up helping your other team. Again, whether you did or you didn't is immaterial here . . . it will just look bad in someone's eyes.

Given the low cost of the league, I don't think you will have a tough time filling that spot (unless the team is so horrible that it stands no chance). Another option is to get rid of that team and use more of an all play schedule (all teams face each other each week and take total won loss record for standings). Then you could auction off those players to new teams or not count them at all (almost as if they were not in the league at all).

Another option might be to give a new owner a blank slate and have each existing owner protect a certain number of players and let the new owner draft a new team from the core of the old team and the guys not protected from other teams. That way, the new team would have a chance to start with some better players.

 

[DoubleG]

I'd recommend against running two teams yourself.

 

[Andrew74]

Another option might be to give a new owner a blank slate and have each existing owner protect a certain number of players and let the new owner draft a new team from the core of the old team and the guys not protected from other teams. That way, the new team would have a chance to start with some better players.

This was brought up by another owner in the league. We have 22 roster spots, 9 starters. How many players would u protect vs not?This is a local work league, so there isn't an interest in opening it up to "outsiders".

 

[DoubleG]

Another option might be to give a new owner a blank slate and have each existing owner protect a certain number of players and let the new owner draft a new team from the core of the old team and the guys not protected from other teams. That way, the new team would have a chance to start with some better players.

This was brought up by another owner in the league. We have 22 roster spots, 9 starters. How many players would u protect vs not?This is a local work league, so there isn't an interest in opening it up to "outsiders".

I hate to suggest this, but there is also the opposite possibility - that is contraction. While a 12 teamer is typical, a 10 would also work. You could see if any other owners would like to ste out, then simply hold a supplemental draft of players from those two teams.

 

[bostonfred]

the ghost team can't make the playoffs, but when you get together for the draft the following year, and the league champ will crack a raw egg on the head of each person who lost to the ghost team in the prior year which must stay put until the end of the draft unless washed off by beer.

 

[Andrew74]

Another option might be to give a new owner a blank slate and have each existing owner protect a certain number of players and let the new owner draft a new team from the core of the old team and the guys not protected from other teams. That way, the new team would have a chance to start with some better players.

This was brought up by another owner in the league. We have 22 roster spots, 9 starters. How many players would u protect vs not?This is a local work league, so there isn't an interest in opening it up to "outsiders".

I hate to suggest this, but there is also the opposite possibility - that is contraction. While a 12 teamer is typical, a 10 would also work. You could see if any other owners would like to ste out, then simply hold a supplemental draft of players from those two teams.

Would u use current draft order or a random order serpentine?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

the ghost team can't make the playoffs, but when you get together for the draft the following year, and the league champ will crack a raw egg on the head of each person who lost to the ghost team in the prior year which must stay put until the end of the draft unless washed off by beer.

This..

 

[Crazy Tony]

HERE"S what you do.

YOU DO NOT RUN TEAM as an owner RUNNNING TWO TEAMS.

YOU RUN YOUR TEAM THE BEST YOU CAN.

You have in writing league rules that you follow or a script for the most part that you follow as to how you will manage the "GHOST TEAM"

#1. Do as little as possible.

#2. Have a methodology on how to determine rosters.

#3. YAHOO is our league host. If someone doesn't set their line-up properly we go with the highest ranked person on their bench or on FA and drop the least valued player.

#4. When you play ghost team. A specified owner w/ no incentive win/lose is responsible for choosing GHOST TEAM starters.

#5. You cannot approve any trades with Ghost Team because their is no ownership in place to approve it.

#6 Drafting of Rookies goes Best available player at that position. Again use a predetermined 3rd party ranking.

OPTIONAL.

Have the potential new owner pay $40 for this year but give him discount/credit for 2013 entry fee based on wins or losses.

If you don't find new owner until after the draft...have each owner project round by round picks for owner.

(Pick 3 possibles for Round 1 pick at #4 spot) Do same for each round.

Go with the name that appears the most. Remind them the better they draft the more likely they'll be to get a good new owner in the league. Which for a year or to should mean extra money AND it increasesly the changes of a team overhaul/rebuild/trades oppty etc.

$5/for each win towards 2013 entry fees.

If he gets 9 wins...he's likely to place only get $40/credit. If he doesn't get in the money he still gets a free entry fee.

HAVE Each Owner Agree that if they lose to the Ghost team they pay $5 for losing. If guy gets 10 wins...some people will pay twice and that's more than $40. They still pay the general pool for the eventual winner.

Basically, the goal is to manage as little as possible.

If player is GTD...you let H2H opponent know that if Player X doesn't play you will edit roster to player Y who is a sub. You post that in league comments prior to game. This courtesy is extended to owners leaving for the weekend and won't be near their cpu to edit roster. They need to let you know who they want to fill-in in case so&so doesn't play.

Mainly get a guy that will be active, hangs out with you and likes beer.

Having these or similar guidelines in your league will allow the draft to occur w/o too much issue. It will allow you to continue to find an owner to start the season. Consider it like a guy away for the weekend and you need to make sure the team isn't screwed up. You're just holding it ready for the next person to come in. Your goal is to keep it as nice as possible so that it's as good as possible for new owner.

I think a guy that likes football will be open to paying and playing even if he doesn't have a great team to start out. My entry fee was $50 and $3 trade $1 Add/Drop and my team was dog poop.

ReCAP

Find a new owner if possible.

Manage the team as little

Have methodology, script in place to describe how you will proceed in making decisions.

Get it out of your hands.

Get it out of league owner's hands

Have it be a 3rd party like Host Site rankings/projections.

Make extra effort in monitoring that you're doing this fairly and notifying other people how you're doing it.

If they don't like it...tell them to find another owner.

 

[Sweet Love]

Have you had anyone turn you down for the team, or are you guys just at a point where there is no one to ask. Personally, if it is the former, I would go back to the people that turned you down and ask them if they would be willing to play for free for the first year...you guys are likely not going to fill the spot (from what it sounds) so you will not get that fee for the pot anyway. Plus, if the team is as bad as you say, it is not like he/she is going to waltz into the finals and get payout monies. It becomes a win-win for both sides.

I have never really seen the point of making a new owner pay full price for a crappy dynasty team in the first year (unless there is a waiting list to get in). It gives you a chance to evaluate the owner and also gives that person and incentive for them to join the league.

 

[comfortably numb]

I would offer the team for free before running 2 teams.

Push back you draft until you find a new owner.

Season doesn't start for like 19 months!

 

[Crazy Tony]

Have you had anyone turn you down for the team, or are you guys just at a point where there is no one to ask. Personally, if it is the former, I would go back to the people that turned you down and ask them if they would be willing to play for free for the first year...you guys are likely not going to fill the spot (from what it sounds) so you will not get that fee for the pot anyway. Plus, if the team is as bad as you say, it is not like he/she is going to waltz into the finals and get payout monies. It becomes a win-win for both sides.

I have never really seen the point of making a new owner pay full price for a crappy dynasty team in the first year (unless there is a waiting list to get in). It gives you a chance to evaluate the owner and also gives that person and incentive for them to join the league.

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Crap I wish o was in your league.

Prior to 2008.

I had Jeff garcia, jon kitna dan orlovsky and an injured bulger as my starting QBs in a 2QB league.

The previous owner just tradded michael turner and someone else to the commish for julius jones of dallas. I also had a worn out jamal lewis. A bunch of other crap.

Good players. M Lynch, welker, Fitzgerald, Bowe Chad Johnson, I was drafting from the #4 spot.

I took Forte, desean jackson and jerome simpson.

Simpson didn't pan out. my QBs got hurt and none we re available to start (2) that would actually play. Ocho was sucking and chad pennington was going off. no one would deal me a QB. I has to give ocho and a 3rd to get chad. He hurt his shoulder next year.... But I learned it was all about the qb in our league so I traded Welker, and Fitz (who wa to be on madden cover) and LeRon Mclain for phillip rivers a few draft picks and ....LMcoy, Britt, Freeman. I've screwed up ok some picks and players. even with set backs I've done pretty well in a very competitive league.

I paid $75, for that roster. the right owner wont care about a standard entry fee regardless out what the team looks like. If they balk a little that's when you offer some incentives.

 

[Andrew74]

Have you had anyone turn you down for the team, or are you guys just at a point where there is no one to ask. Personally, if it is the former, I would go back to the people that turned you down and ask them if they would be willing to play for free for the first year...you guys are likely not going to fill the spot (from what it sounds) so you will not get that fee for the pot anyway. Plus, if the team is as bad as you say, it is not like he/she is going to waltz into the finals and get payout monies. It becomes a win-win for both sides.I have never really seen the point of making a new owner pay full price for a crappy dynasty team in the first year (unless there is a waiting list to get in). It gives you a chance to evaluate the owner and also gives that person and incentive for them to join the league.

We've had lots of people turn us down. We are going back through the list offering some incentives. Thx for the ideas everyone.

 

[Deamon]

I would offer the team for free before running 2 teams.

Push back you draft until you find a new owner.

Season doesn't start for like 19 months!

 

[GregR]

Running two teams, very bad idea unless it can't be helped.

I would look at it like this. Do you want to stay at 12 teams?

If the answer is "yes" then you need to find someone to take the team. If that means the rest of the league has to potentially eat the new owner not having a fee for a year, or maybe no fee for a year and half fee in year two or whatever, then so be it. Bite the bullet and get it done.

If the answer is "no", that you're ok with it dropping to 11 teams, then have a supplemental draft of some sort to empty that team's roster and then the 12th team becomes a ghost team that still appears on the schedule with a score equal to each week's league average.

 

[Crazy Tony]

DUDE, that last post is a solution but I think it sucks.

Create an email account.

Create a fake cousin from out of town.

Manage the team...in the manner I said. Where it's fair. No trades. Put in starting roster. Try to grab best available talent and keep looking.

Surely someone from FBGs would be willing to be in the league for only $40.

 

[Gandalf]

Don't do it.

 

[comfortably numb]

I would offer the team for free before running 2 teams.

Push back you draft until you find a new owner.

Season doesn't start for like 19 months!

Just being a little sarcastic that they have plenty of time to get a new owner.

 

[B Maverick]

We had an 11 team league for awhile. Ghost team scored the ave of the 11 teams. Also made for some fun if you lost to the ghost. He didnt make the playoffs but it allowed us to take time to find an owner to join. Then you can do a dispersal (?) draft to move the players from the unowned team. Do a lottery or blind draw for the order and go for it....

If you ever find someone to join then you also get the fun of an expansion draft!

More drafting equals fun!