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RunningBacks - List your top ten (1 Viewer)
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Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Not even top 20Emmitt SmithBarry Sanders
Walter Peyton
Jim Brown
Gale Sayers
OJ Simpson
Earl Campbell
Eric Dickerson
Marshall Faulk
Tony Dorsett
Koya
Footballguy
Career or at their peak? Some combo of both, with slightly more emphasis on peak:
Jim Brown
Gale Sayers
OJ
Sanders
Dickerson
Earl Cambell
Faulk
Payton
E Smith
Dorsett
Thurman Thomas just misses... could argue him ahead of Dorsett, and dare I say even Smith. The middle of the top 10 are somewhat interchangeable.
ETA - we are two seasons from LT2 smashing that list. He could end up top 5 with the right luck (aka health)
Jim Brown
Gale Sayers
OJ
Sanders
Dickerson
Earl Cambell
Faulk
Payton
E Smith
Dorsett
Thurman Thomas just misses... could argue him ahead of Dorsett, and dare I say even Smith. The middle of the top 10 are somewhat interchangeable.
ETA - we are two seasons from LT2 smashing that list. He could end up top 5 with the right luck (aka health)
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Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
It's Walter Payton.
And I dunno where LT is supposed to be, but he's very clearly on this list.
These lists are always confusing. Should Tiki be on here? He was better for longer than Sayers or Campbell, and arguably better than Campbell was at his prime.
And what do we do with someone like Frank Gore, or Jamal Lewis, Steven Jackson or Clinton Portis? At their peak, they were pretty incredible. If we're going to say that one insane year isn't enough, then we need a more precise system.
Gore averaged 5.43 YPC on a terrible team, Lewis is one of five RBs with 2000+ yards, Jackson is fifth all time in yards from scrimmage in a season, and Portis had back to back 1500, 5.5+YPC seasons.
And I dunno where LT is supposed to be, but he's very clearly on this list.
These lists are always confusing. Should Tiki be on here? He was better for longer than Sayers or Campbell, and arguably better than Campbell was at his prime.
And what do we do with someone like Frank Gore, or Jamal Lewis, Steven Jackson or Clinton Portis? At their peak, they were pretty incredible. If we're going to say that one insane year isn't enough, then we need a more precise system.
Gore averaged 5.43 YPC on a terrible team, Lewis is one of five RBs with 2000+ yards, Jackson is fifth all time in yards from scrimmage in a season, and Portis had back to back 1500, 5.5+YPC seasons.
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Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I dabbled with putting LT on the list but added Faulk and Dorsett instead. Bettis and Martin are the glaring weaknesses in the OP list. I could have easily had LT on the list.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Dorsett's incredible and all, but LT is better.Martin is defensible because the OP didn't give any parameters. Martin's consistency and durability is legendary; only him and Sanders have 10 straight 1,000 yard seasons, and ranked 8th before this year in yards above the #10 baseline. Martin wasn't one of the most talented RBs of all time, and was not, at his peak, one of the top ten runners of all time. But he was very good for very long, a feat that less than ten runners have done.
Bettis isn't defensible at all, unless we're just regurgitating the career rushing yards list.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Riggins only had 5 1000 yd seasons in 14 years, but seem to have his best years at the end of his career, where 2 out of his last 3 were pretty damn good, even if his YPC was under 4 for both of those years. He had 1347 yds and 24 tds in 1983 with a 3.6 ypc, and 1239 yds and 14 tds in 1984 with a 3.8 ypc. I wouldn't call his career studly, but he is in the HOF.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Seriously, that's just absurd.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Yeah, it's a four-man race for best RB over 31 and over. Emmitt, Riggins, John Henry Johnson and Marcus Allen. Best RB 34+ is between Riggins and Allen.
Please fix the title, it's a top 5 RB list with comedic relief.
radballs
Footballguy
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I took it as the best running backs that I have ever seen with a small longevity requirement (its not a 1 year thing). Its not career because then Martin and dare I say it Bettis (I dont think he belongs anywhere near this list but he has his defenders) start joining the conversation.
Koya
Footballguy
Before you break out the "comic relief" card, you are going to have to explain your top 10 that has neither Cambell, Sayers nor Smith in it. Seriously.
Koya
Footballguy
(1) Just needs a bit more time. (2) What? Tiki in the same sentence as Sayers? And better than Cambell in Cambell's prime?
(3) Ask for more than ONE FREAKING SEASON, a good but not all time great back with one amazing year, really, S-Jax, you want to go there? and would be in this conversation MAYBE if he stayed in Denver and didnt get hurt and lots of other non realities.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Barry
Payton
Tomlinson
Emmitt
Brown
Faulk
Sayers
Campbell
Davis
Dickerson
Payton
Tomlinson
Emmitt
Brown
Faulk
Sayers
Campbell
Davis
Dickerson
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
This is a curious list.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Stephen?
bostonfred
Footballguy
Domanick
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Good list. The only change that I have is Tony Dorsett for Marcus Allen.My list in order is:1. Jim Brown2. Walter Payton3. Barry Sanders4. Emmitt Smith (great blocker in pass protection, does not get credit for this)5. OJ Simpson6. Marshall Faulk7. Earl Campbell8. Eric Dickerson9. Gale Sayers10. Tony DorsettGale Sayers is my favorite football player of all time (although Brady is catching him fast) but I have a hard time putting him any higher on my list.
Koya
Footballguy
I would assume Terrell.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Fix it.
turkishkamel
Footballguy
My Top 10 (based on being a football fan)
1. Barry Sanders
2. Jim Brown
3. Walter Payton
4. Marshall Faulk
5. Eric Dickerson
6. Gayle Sayers
7. O.J. Simpson
8. Emmitt Smith
9. L. Tomlinson
10. Earl Campbell
i wanted to put Bo on the list because he's the greatest athlete i've ever seen. unfortunately he never played an entire pro football season. other than that there was no one i struggled to leave off this list. LT2 has been in the league long enough to earn his spot on a top 10 list. if his career ended today, we'd talk about him like people talk about Sayers. another few years and he's near the top all-time.
1. Barry Sanders
2. Jim Brown
3. Walter Payton
4. Marshall Faulk
5. Eric Dickerson
6. Gayle Sayers
7. O.J. Simpson
8. Emmitt Smith
9. L. Tomlinson
10. Earl Campbell
i wanted to put Bo on the list because he's the greatest athlete i've ever seen. unfortunately he never played an entire pro football season. other than that there was no one i struggled to leave off this list. LT2 has been in the league long enough to earn his spot on a top 10 list. if his career ended today, we'd talk about him like people talk about Sayers. another few years and he's near the top all-time.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Why? The only curious one that I see is Terrell Davis.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
(1)LT needs a bit more time for what?(2)I don't know how you define prime, but Campbell had only three incredible years anyway, so using three biases it in his favor. His best three year totals: 5,081 rushing yards, 4.87 YPC, 45 TDs; 5270 total yards, 45 total TDs. Tiki's last three years: 5,040 rushing yards, 5.01 YPC, 27 TDs; 6,613 total yards, 31 total TDs.So in the statistic most biased to Campbell -- top three years -- Barber had over 1400 more total yards and a higher YPC average. And he didn't play behind an incredible line or have very good QB play to help him.(3)Why are you asking for more than ONE FREAKING SEASON? What's the reasoning behind this (I think I know, but I want to hear what you think)?(1) Just needs a bit more time. (2) What? Tiki in the same sentence as Sayers? And better than Cambell in Cambell's prime?(3) Ask for more than ONE FREAKING SEASON, a good but not all time great back with one amazing year, really, S-Jax, you want to go there? and would be in this conversation MAYBE if he stayed in Denver and didnt get hurt and lots of other non realities.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I have nothing to fix. I just found it curious that someone took the time to make a list of the best running backs in the history of the National Football League to never have been on trial for double murder.
bostonfred
Footballguy
I gave bonus points for character and dancing ability, and took away points for each alleged murder.
Koya
Footballguy
(1) I have no problem with someone putting LT2 on their list but imo he needs a shade more time. We tend to overestimate the dominant player of that specific year (i.e. Randy Moss and his place amongst the greats before the wheels just fell off) so for some of us, we want one more year from LT2 before a top ever list inclusion.(2) Stats dont tell an accurate story without context. It was a different game when Cambell played, and he dominated that game far more than Tiki ever did. Tiki is a borderline and probably not a HoF. Cambell is widely considered an all time great and sure HoF. In his era, he was a monster and a half. (3) Not going to waste the energy to explain. You are talking about Frank Gore and S Jax and a top ever 10 list? Im not the one needing to explain here.(1)LT needs a bit more time for what?(2)I don't know how you define prime, but Campbell had only three incredible years anyway, so using three biases it in his favor. His best three year totals: 5,081 rushing yards, 4.87 YPC, 45 TDs; 5270 total yards, 45 total TDs. Tiki's last three years: 5,040 rushing yards, 5.01 YPC, 27 TDs; 6,613 total yards, 31 total TDs.So in the statistic most biased to Campbell -- top three years -- Barber had over 1400 more total yards and a higher YPC average. And he didn't play behind an incredible line or have very good QB play to help him.(3)Why are you asking for more than ONE FREAKING SEASON? What's the reasoning behind this (I think I know, but I want to hear what you think)?(1) Just needs a bit more time. (2) What? Tiki in the same sentence as Sayers? And better than Cambell in Cambell's prime?
Jedimaster21
Footballguy
I need 12 spots...
Marion Motley
Jim Brown
Payton
Gale Sayers
OJ
Dickerson
Emmitt Smith
Barry Sanders
Marshall Faulk
Bo Jackson
Tomlinson
Campbell
Marion Motley
Jim Brown
Payton
Gale Sayers
OJ
Dickerson
Emmitt Smith
Barry Sanders
Marshall Faulk
Bo Jackson
Tomlinson
Campbell
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
(1) You want more than one year from LT2? He ranks fifth all time in career VBD, which obviously penalizes current players, especially ones in their prime.(2) This doesn't really say anything. This amounts to "I like Campbell better than Tiki", which is interesting, but not convincing.(1) I have no problem with someone putting LT2 on their list but imo he needs a shade more time. We tend to overestimate the dominant player of that specific year (i.e. Randy Moss and his place amongst the greats before the wheels just fell off) so for some of us, we want one more year from LT2 before a top ever list inclusion.(2) Stats dont tell an accurate story without context. It was a different game when Cambell played, and he dominated that game far more than Tiki ever did. Tiki is a borderline and probably not a HoF. Cambell is widely considered an all time great and sure HoF. In his era, he was a monster and a half.(1)LT needs a bit more time for what?(2)I don't know how you define prime, but Campbell had only three incredible years anyway, so using three biases it in his favor. His best three year totals: 5,081 rushing yards, 4.87 YPC, 45 TDs; 5270 total yards, 45 total TDs. Tiki's last three years: 5,040 rushing yards, 5.01 YPC, 27 TDs; 6,613 total yards, 31 total TDs.(1) Just needs a bit more time. (2) What? Tiki in the same sentence as Sayers? And better than Cambell in Cambell's prime?
(3) Ask for more than ONE FREAKING SEASON, a good but not all time great back with one amazing year, really, S-Jax, you want to go there? and would be in this conversation MAYBE if he stayed in Denver and didnt get hurt and lots of other non realities.
So in the statistic most biased to Campbell -- top three years -- Barber had over 1400 more total yards and a higher YPC average. And he didn't play behind an incredible line or have very good QB play to help him.
(3)Why are you asking for more than ONE FREAKING SEASON? What's the reasoning behind this (I think I know, but I want to hear what you think)?
(3) Not going to waste the energy to explain. You are talking about Frank Gore and S Jax and a top ever 10 list? Im not the one needing to explain here.
(3) Who was better -- Frank Gore in 2006, or Tony Dorsett in his best season ever? Gore in 2006, or Walter Payton in any season but 1977? Steven Jackson had more total yards last year than any player in NFL history, except for Faulk in 1999, Barber in 2005, Tomlinson in 2003 and Sanders in 1997.
Koya
Footballguy
Bo just didnt show nearly enough in the NFL to make such a list, imo but Motley is a great pick and deserves to at least be mentioned here.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Gotcha. Seriously, though, where would you put Simpson if we ignored alleged murders?
Koya
Footballguy
(1) I want one more year, not more than one year.(2) Earl Cambell was a better, more dominating player in his time than Tiki. I'm not sure if you havent seen the gametape, havent heard from their respective contemporaries or are just playing the contrarian honestly.(1) You want more than one year from LT2? He ranks fifth all time in career VBD, which obviously penalizes current players, especially ones in their prime.(2) This doesn't really say anything. This amounts to "I like Campbell better than Tiki", which is interesting, but not convincing.(1) I have no problem with someone putting LT2 on their list but imo he needs a shade more time. We tend to overestimate the dominant player of that specific year (i.e. Randy Moss and his place amongst the greats before the wheels just fell off) so for some of us, we want one more year from LT2 before a top ever list inclusion.(2) Stats dont tell an accurate story without context. It was a different game when Cambell played, and he dominated that game far more than Tiki ever did. Tiki is a borderline and probably not a HoF. Cambell is widely considered an all time great and sure HoF. In his era, he was a monster and a half.(1)LT needs a bit more time for what?(2)I don't know how you define prime, but Campbell had only three incredible years anyway, so using three biases it in his favor. His best three year totals: 5,081 rushing yards, 4.87 YPC, 45 TDs; 5270 total yards, 45 total TDs. Tiki's last three years: 5,040 rushing yards, 5.01 YPC, 27 TDs; 6,613 total yards, 31 total TDs.(1) Just needs a bit more time. (2) What? Tiki in the same sentence as Sayers? And better than Cambell in Cambell's prime?
(3) Ask for more than ONE FREAKING SEASON, a good but not all time great back with one amazing year, really, S-Jax, you want to go there? and would be in this conversation MAYBE if he stayed in Denver and didnt get hurt and lots of other non realities.
So in the statistic most biased to Campbell -- top three years -- Barber had over 1400 more total yards and a higher YPC average. And he didn't play behind an incredible line or have very good QB play to help him.
(3)Why are you asking for more than ONE FREAKING SEASON? What's the reasoning behind this (I think I know, but I want to hear what you think)?
(3) Not going to waste the energy to explain. You are talking about Frank Gore and S Jax and a top ever 10 list? Im not the one needing to explain here.
(3) Who was better -- Frank Gore in 2006, or Tony Dorsett in his best season ever? Gore in 2006, or Walter Payton in any season but 1977? Steven Jackson had more total yards last year than any player in NFL history, except for Faulk in 1999, Barber in 2005, Tomlinson in 2003 and Sanders in 1997.
(3) I would probably say Dorsett as his best ever but that is not the point. The point is it is one freaking season. Again, just a contrarian view to put those guys even in a conversation with the 10 best RBs EVER? Certainly appears that way because it makes no sense.
bostonfred
Footballguy
I don't think I can divorce my personal thoughts on him from my talent evaluation. Imagine if I asked you, the guy who suggested that the Pats trade up to get a franchise quarterback, to rank Brady on the all time list. Now imagine how hard it would be for you to put him in the top ten, but multiply it by a double homicide, the landmark victory of fame, money and racial tension over justice, and a guy who was going to run a TV show called how I would have done it. In the unlikely event that you're the last guy on earth who believes he didn't do it, if somebody else really did murder his wife, wouldn't it bother him enough not to fantasize about how he would have done it and created a book and TV show giving graphic details? Just a horrible human being.
Jedimaster21
Footballguy
Tiki was a great all around back that was elusive, quick, and maybe a top 5 back in the NFL. Campbell was a man among boys, and dominated defenses. Tiki didn't instill the kind of fear that Campbell did. You can't go by the stats in this case, and when you do, it actually makes your points less persuasive. This isn't even close.(1) You want more than one year from LT2? He ranks fifth all time in career VBD, which obviously penalizes current players, especially ones in their prime.(2) This doesn't really say anything. This amounts to "I like Campbell better than Tiki", which is interesting, but not convincing.(1) I have no problem with someone putting LT2 on their list but imo he needs a shade more time. We tend to overestimate the dominant player of that specific year (i.e. Randy Moss and his place amongst the greats before the wheels just fell off) so for some of us, we want one more year from LT2 before a top ever list inclusion.(2) Stats dont tell an accurate story without context. It was a different game when Cambell played, and he dominated that game far more than Tiki ever did. Tiki is a borderline and probably not a HoF. Cambell is widely considered an all time great and sure HoF. In his era, he was a monster and a half.(1)LT needs a bit more time for what?(2)I don't know how you define prime, but Campbell had only three incredible years anyway, so using three biases it in his favor. His best three year totals: 5,081 rushing yards, 4.87 YPC, 45 TDs; 5270 total yards, 45 total TDs. Tiki's last three years: 5,040 rushing yards, 5.01 YPC, 27 TDs; 6,613 total yards, 31 total TDs.(1) Just needs a bit more time. (2) What? Tiki in the same sentence as Sayers? And better than Cambell in Cambell's prime?
(3) Ask for more than ONE FREAKING SEASON, a good but not all time great back with one amazing year, really, S-Jax, you want to go there? and would be in this conversation MAYBE if he stayed in Denver and didnt get hurt and lots of other non realities.
So in the statistic most biased to Campbell -- top three years -- Barber had over 1400 more total yards and a higher YPC average. And he didn't play behind an incredible line or have very good QB play to help him.
(3)Why are you asking for more than ONE FREAKING SEASON? What's the reasoning behind this (I think I know, but I want to hear what you think)?
(3) Not going to waste the energy to explain. You are talking about Frank Gore and S Jax and a top ever 10 list? Im not the one needing to explain here.
(3) Who was better -- Frank Gore in 2006, or Tony Dorsett in his best season ever? Gore in 2006, or Walter Payton in any season but 1977? Steven Jackson had more total yards last year than any player in NFL history, except for Faulk in 1999, Barber in 2005, Tomlinson in 2003 and Sanders in 1997.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
(1) That's more acceptable, but still not logical. Tomlinson is 6th all time in rushing TDs. He's fifth all time in career VBD. He's fifth all time in career YPC by a RB with 9,000 rushing yards. He's got one of the greatest seasons of all time under his belt. (2) Once again, you're just saying you like Campbell more. That's fine, and maybe you're right. But it's not convincing. And the only data presented seem to favor Barber.(1) I want one more year, not more than one year.(2) Earl Cambell was a better, more dominating player in his time than Tiki. I'm not sure if you havent seen the gametape, havent heard from their respective contemporaries or are just playing the contrarian honestly.(1) You want more than one year from LT2? He ranks fifth all time in career VBD, which obviously penalizes current players, especially ones in their prime.(2) This doesn't really say anything. This amounts to "I like Campbell better than Tiki", which is interesting, but not convincing.(1) I have no problem with someone putting LT2 on their list but imo he needs a shade more time. We tend to overestimate the dominant player of that specific year (i.e. Randy Moss and his place amongst the greats before the wheels just fell off) so for some of us, we want one more year from LT2 before a top ever list inclusion.(2) Stats dont tell an accurate story without context. It was a different game when Cambell played, and he dominated that game far more than Tiki ever did. Tiki is a borderline and probably not a HoF. Cambell is widely considered an all time great and sure HoF. In his era, he was a monster and a half.(1)LT needs a bit more time for what?(2)I don't know how you define prime, but Campbell had only three incredible years anyway, so using three biases it in his favor. His best three year totals: 5,081 rushing yards, 4.87 YPC, 45 TDs; 5270 total yards, 45 total TDs. Tiki's last three years: 5,040 rushing yards, 5.01 YPC, 27 TDs; 6,613 total yards, 31 total TDs.(1) Just needs a bit more time. (2) What? Tiki in the same sentence as Sayers? And better than Cambell in Cambell's prime?
(3) Ask for more than ONE FREAKING SEASON, a good but not all time great back with one amazing year, really, S-Jax, you want to go there? and would be in this conversation MAYBE if he stayed in Denver and didnt get hurt and lots of other non realities.
So in the statistic most biased to Campbell -- top three years -- Barber had over 1400 more total yards and a higher YPC average. And he didn't play behind an incredible line or have very good QB play to help him.
(3)Why are you asking for more than ONE FREAKING SEASON? What's the reasoning behind this (I think I know, but I want to hear what you think)?
(3) Not going to waste the energy to explain. You are talking about Frank Gore and S Jax and a top ever 10 list? Im not the one needing to explain here.
(3) Who was better -- Frank Gore in 2006, or Tony Dorsett in his best season ever? Gore in 2006, or Walter Payton in any season but 1977? Steven Jackson had more total yards last year than any player in NFL history, except for Faulk in 1999, Barber in 2005, Tomlinson in 2003 and Sanders in 1997.
(3) I would probably say Dorsett as his best ever but that is not the point. The point is it is one freaking season. Again, just a contrarian view to put those guys even in a conversation with the 10 best RBs EVER? Certainly appears that way because it makes no sense.
(3) There aren't any parameters yet for what the 10 best RBs ever should be. I was hoping you could help explain them. You obviously don't want to look at the single season leaders or the career leaders, so maybe you could explain it a bit more.
billymays
Footballguy
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Wow. Not used to seeing that side of you, BF. Not being able to divorce your personal thoughts on him from your talent evaluation is fine, and understandable (if not necessarily correct). But really, any list of the top RBs of all time for a season, a series of seasons or a career has to include him. Or a disclaimer. Just my
. (Oh, and the Brady question is pretty easy.)
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Is it really fair to say someone was a man among boys, when in his only three uber-studly seasons, he averaged 3.11 YPC in the playoffs? 135 carries, 420 yards and 4 TDs doesn't exactly scream man among boys. And FWIW, I'd rather have a RB that gets me more yards and less fear, than vice versa. But that's just me.(Note: I've got no beef with Campbell, but rather the arguments being presented in his favor.)
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
How can you disagree with that? :( I wish we could all agree to dis-recognize him.Also - I checked out that Barry Sanders highlight video.... he sure had alot of wide open holes. I wonder what statistics a guy like Emmitt Smith would have amassed if he ran through those holes.
Koya
Footballguy
(1) I wont argue if LT2 is on someones list. He is very close to being top 7 in my book.(2) I am not saying I like Cambell more. And when you know that data must be looked at in context, it seems foolish to ignore that context (i.e. Tiki played in an era where he would get more yards). The fact is, by most objective and contextual accounts there is hardly a competition here. I like Tiki, too. As a runner at least.
(3) Best ever means career and ability at peak. What combination? Different for everyone. But I dont think anyone will argue that Vinny Testaverde is one of the top few QBs ever just because his career stats dictate so. So, I take career and their peak/extended peak.
That said, to mention some of the players you did was silly to be honest. One great season does not make a greatest ever. Here T. Davis hardly gets mentioned and you are bringing up Gore and S Jax.
In a greatest ever conversation. Once again, it takes away from your good points because tossing those names just seems to be hyperbole.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
(1) Ok.(2) Yes, you are. Go back and read the arguments, and see if there's anything on whichan unbiased observer could base a claim that Campbell was better. You said that Tiki played in an era where he would get more yards. Tiki Barber twice led the league in yards from scrimmage, and twice more finished in the top five. Campbell once led the league in yards from scrimmage, and twice more finished in the top five. So I disagree that most objective reports say that there's hardly a competition (at least, in Campbell's favor).(3) Different for everyone is fine; that's why I wanted to know what you were using. I don't think Testaverde's career stats dictate he is one of the top few QBs ever; quite to the contrary, I think his stats dictate that he clearly was not one of the top few QBs ever. You might want to reconsider which stats you're using. You said you take career and extended peak. Is there a formula you use? You may not like using Gore, who I think at his very best (over the span of a year) was absolutely incredible. Not including Gore is fine, but I'm looking for more precision in how you decide who to include and where to rank them.
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Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Does having watched both backs throughout their career work for you? Campbell passes the eye test. You knew he was great just watching him play. I didnt get that feeling watching Tiki although he had some great games and seasons.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Not really. I try to base my arguments in things that a third person could confidently state in an argument with a fourth person. An argument that "Pat Patriot watched both backs throughout their careers, and thinks Campbell was better, isn't going to convince a fourth person that Campbell is better (no offense intended). An argument that Barber led his league in yards from scrimmage more often, ranked in the top five in yards from scrimmage more often, ranked in the top ten in yards from scrimmage more often, averaged more yards per carry, was better for longer, and did not play with on very talented teams or offensive lines, is more convincing to that fourth person. Those facts are objectively verifiable (for the most part).
