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ElvisLives

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In my league, Ryan Grant has put up 13, 12, 11 points per week in that order.

What are the odds that he blows up tonight on MNF?

I seem to have targeted him in every league that I'm in. In all three leagues he a starter.

I think/Hope that he will step up tonight.

Is Green Bays O Line really as bad as I have been hearing?

Thanks for any input / proj.

 
I would expect Grant to have some bigger games coming up, but we're mostly seeing what he is. His upside is limited without catching more passes, but he is finding the EZ some, which is a very good sign. I think the big yardage games will come as well.

 
Grant is an "ordinary" RB in what should be an explosive passing offense. I drafted him because I figured he'd be in the red zone a lot this year. Until the o-line improves (which would lead to more explosive passing plays), Grant will remain ordinary. I have him on my bench this week (went w/ Moreno) b/c I expect GB to be throwing all night, and Minny, while not dominant like in years past, is still extremely tough to run on. He gets some soft run D's after the BYE, so he should put up some numbers

 
cubbie5150 said:
Grant is an "ordinary" RB in what should be an explosive passing offense. I drafted him because I figured he'd be in the red zone a lot this year. Until the o-line improves (which would lead to more explosive passing plays), Grant will remain ordinary. I have him on my bench this week (went w/ Moreno) b/c I expect GB to be throwing all night, and Minny, while not dominant like in years past, is still extremely tough to run on. He gets some soft run D's after the BYE, so he should put up some numbers
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Played well against the Vikes last year
 
ElvisLives said:
In my league, Ryan Grant has put up 13, 12, 11 points per week in that order.What are the odds that he blows up tonight on MNF?
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I don't know, but it looks like he's heading for 10. I'd trade him now or at least before he gets a negative in Week 16.Can't expect much tonight. He has a good track record against Minnesota, but that was with a much better offensive line. The only chance I see for a big night is if he can get two short TDs. A lot of luck involved for that to happen.Frankly, the best thing you have going for Grant is that I don't expect a lot out of him. (See Jerome Harrison thread.)
 
I think it sort of depends on the game. If the Vikes air it out then the Packers will likely need to keep pace which does not bode well for GRant. If the Vikes keep it on the ground and grind out the clock then the Packers will need to do the same. If the Vikes get off to a big lead the Grant will likely suffer. If the Packers were to maybe have a pick 6, a ST TD and an offensive TD in the first half it could be all Grant all second half...

I would say his floor is probably 60-70 yards. His ceiling maybe 120 and a TD.

 
One issue the Packers have on offense is the play calling. Grant and any RB have been taken out of the passing game the last couple of seasons in set passing plays. Meaning, the RB's do see some catches but they are on 3rd downs mostly. Remember the Packers screens in the 90's? They are gone now. Yes, the OL issues hurt that famous screen play but there are no set 1st/2nd down screen plays designed for the RB's anymore.

The play calling is rather vanilla and opponents do not need to devote one of their better defenders to shadow the RB because they are not utilized in the passing attack. The Packers passing attack is: WR, WR, WR, TE, WR, RB/FB... in that order.

 
Yes, the screens have gone away more in the McCArthy era...frankly, they suck running them anyway. Green and that line were very good with them.

Grant and this line, not so much.

 
I'm really looking forward to see how he does tonight. He usually runs good against the Vikings & our rush defense doesn't seem to be as good as years past.. I really see a lower scoring type game thought tonight. 20-17 one way or the other.. The chances aren't great for a huge game but I think he'll do okay.. 70 yards & possibly a TD..

 
sho nuff said:
Yes, the screens have gone away more in the McCArthy era...frankly, they suck running them anyway. Green and that line were very good with them.Grant and this line, not so much.
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The point is not that the screens have gone away rather that the RB is not used at all in the passing game. Send them out on a flat or a middle, 5-yard screen, to utilize the RB and take a defender away from the WR/TE. Point is that is never the case. The play calling has been vanilla the past few seasons, even when Favre was there but at least Favre improvised on some plays. Not knocking Rodgers here but defenses do not "fear" Rodgers the same way they did Favre. Grant could be a top 10, maybe top 5 RB is the Packers actually used the RB in the passing game.
 
He is not "blowing up" tonight. I agree with some of the others, 60-70 yards & a TD, maybe 20 rec yards. That's about it in this game. He has done well in each game he's played vs the Vikes, and that predicted stat line is actually quite good considering the opponent. I liked his chances enough to start him.

Going forward, he's a very good RB2 IMO. He may not be one of the top-12 RBs in talent, but opportunity can be > talent in FF.

 
ElvisLives said:
In my league, Ryan Grant has put up 13, 12, 11 points per week in that order.

What are the odds that he blows up tonight on MNF?

I seem to have targeted him in every league that I'm in. In all three leagues he a starter.

I think/Hope that he will step up tonight.

Is Green Bays O Line really as bad as I have been hearing?

Thanks for any input / proj.
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I think the odds are better that he blows tonight.
 
Well I'm down 14 and he has the Vikings Kicker going. It's going to take a bizarro night for him to put up the numbers I need.

May be a couple of short td's and 70 yards. ???

 
ElvisLives said:
Well I'm down 14 and he has the Vikings Kicker going. It's going to take a bizarro night for him to put up the numbers I need. May be a couple of short td's and 70 yards. ???
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You almost have to have a couple of TD's to win tonight... Good luck...
 
Challenge Everything said:
sho nuff said:
Yes, the screens have gone away more in the McCArthy era...frankly, they suck running them anyway. Green and that line were very good with them.Grant and this line, not so much.
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The point is not that the screens have gone away rather that the RB is not used at all in the passing game. Send them out on a flat or a middle, 5-yard screen, to utilize the RB and take a defender away from the WR/TE. Point is that is never the case. The play calling has been vanilla the past few seasons, even when Favre was there but at least Favre improvised on some plays. Not knocking Rodgers here but defenses do not "fear" Rodgers the same way they did Favre. Grant could be a top 10, maybe top 5 RB is the Packers actually used the RB in the passing game.
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Completely agree with this. However, how do they do this when the O line can't win their battles? If the O line doesn't block well, the RB stays in to provide a bit of assistance and they forgo the passes into the flat, etc. Actually, one way to stop blitzing and some porous o line play is through screens, so it would not surprise me at all to see a few more tonight.
 
ElvisLives said:
Well I'm down 14 and he has the Vikings Kicker going. It's going to take a bizarro night for him to put up the numbers I need. May be a couple of short td's and 70 yards. ???
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I have Grant and Jennings down 20 in a PPR and I don't feel all that confident. I can see Jennings getting his 2 for 40 and Grant having 50 total yards.
 
In one league I am down by 25, my opponent has noone playing tonight and I have Grant, Crosby, and GB Def.

In another league I am down by 3, my opponent has AP and I have Grant & Driver.

So yeah I'm kind of hoping Grant has a big night.

 
he would have had a better game if mccarthy didn't get pass happy. He was able to get a lot of positive yardage running underneath the vikings upfield ends.

 
grant did alright 101 total yds which is not bad considering the defense he faced...grant did not bad in his run after the catch ability last night he had a couple good runs...i hope this is a sign of things to come they really should pass the ball to him more often..he had 4 receptions tonight...

 
to be fair the vikings run d is just not as great as it has been in years past and once you get the ball in your hands they are vulnerable. All 4 teams they have played have been able to move the ball (cleveland kind of) ... so far they have played bend but don't break (not something you say about elite D's that are healthy)

 
Grant does well against the Vikings defense because of the draws and screens.

To be honest Grant was not a very high priority for the Vikings defense to stop in this game or in games past. The ends were coming like crazy nevermind outside contain.

Griffin and Winfield are such good tacklers that the Vikings will cheat like this sometimes. It is aggressive however as opposed to gap diciplined cover 2. It can give up big plays.

But the Vikings played very physical and high risk most of this game. In others they would be more conservative.

 
Biabreakable said:
Grant does well against the Vikings defense because of the draws and screens.To be honest Grant was not a very high priority for the Vikings defense to stop in this game or in games past. The ends were coming like crazy nevermind outside contain.Griffin and Winfield are such good tacklers that the Vikings will cheat like this sometimes. It is aggressive however as opposed to gap diciplined cover 2. It can give up big plays.But the Vikings played very physical and high risk most of this game. In others they would be more conservative.
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nice post.what do you mean by gap? zone gaps? usually gaps are associated at DL lineups.i dont get why they dont feed grant more and pass all day.
 
Biabreakable said:
Grant does well against the Vikings defense because of the draws and screens.To be honest Grant was not a very high priority for the Vikings defense to stop in this game or in games past. The ends were coming like crazy nevermind outside contain.Griffin and Winfield are such good tacklers that the Vikings will cheat like this sometimes. It is aggressive however as opposed to gap diciplined cover 2. It can give up big plays.But the Vikings played very physical and high risk most of this game. In others they would be more conservative.
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Very good analysis, and correct IMO b/c Grant doesn't/shouldn't scare anyone. He's a relatively pedestrian talent, actually, I'd call him a "plodder" sometimes.
 
Yeah they will be more conservative against teams that have credible o-lines. The vikings are a very very good squad but will need to be better than this if they are going to beat teams like the Giants, Saints, Colts, Ravens, and a healthy Steelers team.

 
kdt said:
Biabreakable said:
Grant does well against the Vikings defense because of the draws and screens.To be honest Grant was not a very high priority for the Vikings defense to stop in this game or in games past. The ends were coming like crazy nevermind outside contain.Griffin and Winfield are such good tacklers that the Vikings will cheat like this sometimes. It is aggressive however as opposed to gap diciplined cover 2. It can give up big plays.But the Vikings played very physical and high risk most of this game. In others they would be more conservative.
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nice post.what do you mean by gap? zone gaps? usually gaps are associated at DL lineups.i dont get why they dont feed grant more and pass all day.
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Well. You getting into fundamentals of each defensive alignment and play call.I am just an observer. But what I would see almost every down both DE are pass rushing. They were not responsible for either gap on each side of the offensive tackle. Either the linebackers or corners were responsible for that contain. So this allows the offense to get mismatches with TE out blocking the LB or even the cornerbacks and they have to make the play or it is going to be a 1st down.
 
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