sorry, aside from an obvious lack in interest to capitalize, where's my grammar incorrect? i can see a couple punctuation missteps, but my grammar is on point, thanks. read a book.sorry, all. i just had to defend myself. i'm out.I'm not sure if he was talking about the post he was responding to or the post he was about to write.
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S.I. ask 361 players who is the most overrated (1 Viewer)
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PsychoMan
Footballguy
he did not win the mvp or make it to the pro bowl, but i've heard an awful lot of praise over the last couple years for him that i thought wasn't entirely deserved. prior to this season, he's gotten about as much praise as anyone in the league, but what he's actually done on the field hasn't wowed me as much as other guys on this list: TO, Urlacher, Vick, Peyton Manning ...
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I don't think I agree with any on this list until the bottom three.
Pipes
Footballguy
But everyone KNOWS that Favre has lost it and is a shadow of his former self, just as likely to throw a TD as an INT on any given play - I think it's pretty though to be "overrated" when everyone thinks that.10 different smiley faces doesn't help make your case. What has Brett Favre done lately? What's his TD/INT ratio in the last few years? He's been a terrible QB for the last few years yet still get high praise from the likes of John Madden. Favre is the pure definition of overrated (we're talking about now, not 5 years ago).You mean the NFL MVP, SuperBowl Winning, Record holding QB?His name crossed my mind too....
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MLBrandow
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I agree with this statement.My vote would probably be Ronnie Brown or Reggie Bush. Both have great talent, but similarly, both seem to lack the necessary vision to be good RBs. Both are very indecisive. But I guess even at that, I can see both turning into solid RBs.As far as overratedness for talent that's just not even there to begin with, I really can't think of anyone off-hand who is just really incredibly overrated. I mean, I'd have said Harrington or Culpepper hands down last year, but everyone knows they are terrible now. Maybe some still believe in Culpepper, and I guess in that case I'd go with him.Actually Edgerrin James is probably the most overrated player in terms of actual talent in the league. Ever since his injury he's been a fluff.Keyshawn Johnson probably topped this list 5 or 6 years running at one point.
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-OZ-
Footballguy
Same logic applies now with Charles Woodson and Warren Sapp. Obviously their teams think they're worth something, but I'm surprised to see players even know they're in the league now. The answer here is Randy Moss.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
He received a lot of praise because he took over a team that was 6-10 the year before and led them to a 15-1 record and an AFC Championship berth his first year, then won the Super Bowl in his his second season, while ranking #2 in passer rating and #1 in yards per attempt over that same span (behind Manning in passer rating and ahead of Brady in both categories.) He didn't have gaudy yardage and TD numbers because the Steelers were and always will be a run-furst team by nature, but in the games where they were forced to open it up, Roethlisberger proved he could get it done with his arm (see all 3 AFC playoff games last year for evidence of this - he basically carried that offense to the Super Bowl.) All this depsite being an early-entry junior and getting all of 1 game to learn the offense before being handed the reigns for good.The praise was deserved, no QB in league history ever had this much success this fast. At a time when most QBs are just getting their feet wet, the guy already has a ring and established himself as one of the better QBs in the league. Granted, the injuries and poor line play has hurt him a lot this year, but we saw what he can do when given time to throw vs. Kansas City and Atlanta. Yet, he has not won his team MVP award, has not been selected for a Pro Bowl, and is not considered by most to be an elite NFL QB.I'm not saying he's the second coming, but based on the above, I also don't think he's "over-rated" by any stretch. He's deserved the credit he's been given. The fact that the "game manager" cracks and the Trent Dilfer comparisons persist is mind-boggling to me, and a lot of those who feel he is overrated are the same people making these erroneous assertions and comparisons. No Steeler fan would make those mistakes because we watch the guy week in and week out, recent play notwithstanding. The fact that so many are envious of his success and whatever verbal accolades he's received thus far is what results in all this backlash. Trust me, though, if you've been a Steelers fan for the last 20-30 years, like I have, you KNOW just how good this guy is when he's on his game. He's the best QB the Steelers have had since Bradshaw.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Only one guy on this list has been called "the most dangerous player in the league," "the most athletic guy to ever play his position," "the future of the NFL," and "the most exciting player to ever play the game" even though he's only finished among the top half of the players at his position once in his entire career... Michael Vick. Can we just retire this and all future overrated lists now?
PsychoMan
Footballguy
exactly. i think he gets way too much praise for this. pittsburgs rushing attack & defense deserves ten times the credit for that superbowl win. i think you could name plenty of starting quarterbacks that would have won a superbowl starting on that team last year.he won a Super Bowl.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Did you watch the Cincinnati, Indy, or Denver playoff games?exactly. i think he gets way too much praise for this. pittsburgs rushing attack & defense deserves ten times the credit for that superbowl win. i think you could name plenty of starting quarterbacks that would have won a superbowl starting on that team last year.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
In case you didn't, he was 49/72 (68%) in those games with 680 yards and 8 TDs (1 rushing) against 1 INT.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Did you watch the Cincinnati, Indy, or Denver playoff games?exactly. i think he gets way too much praise for this. pittsburgs rushing attack & defense deserves ten times the credit for that superbowl win. i think you could name plenty of starting quarterbacks that would have won a superbowl starting on that team last year.
I'm an anti-Steeler fan, but you cannot overlook how incredible a post-season Roethlisberger had on the way to the SB.
PsychoMan
Footballguy
he played very well those games. although it's a bit easier to get those kind of numbers when you're a run first team and everyone knows and expects it.evilgrin - i agree that ben is a very good quarterback, but i think he has been in a perfect situation for a young QB to succeed (maybe similar to rex grossmans situation now) ... i'm just not sold that he's all that "great" like many believe until i see more.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Ahh, but the difference being that TO is yelling on te sidelines "Why am I here" and "Get me more involved, you know what I bring to the table" and other such 'I'm the greatest' quotes. When you call out your coaches and QBs that you're so good they need to feed you the ball, and then lead the league in dropped passes it makes you look like much more of a goat than less belicose guys like Holt and Smith. That 4th down drop wasn't the opnly play that lost them the game, but it was a key turning point.steve smith had a couple drops this past weekend. holt had some this year too. doesn't discredit TO at all. it happens.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
He's definitely been in a terrific situation, and that has clearly helped him. I just see his value to the team, and as a result, do not believe he is over-rated, that's all. I think we're seeing eye to eye here.
PsychoMan
Footballguy
As a homer, you would be able to see that kind of thing more than myself. That's understandable. If anyone told me they thought Urlacher was overrated (apparently some people think so), I would think they're downright insane.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Hey, leave Vince Young out of this.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Vick is far more overrated than Roethlisberger. I would say Owens is, too.
PsychoMan
Footballguy
I think Owens is a moron, and would never want him on my team for many reasons ... When talking about pure physical talent, and what he can bring to the field, I think Owens is a stud.Vick - Harder to argue with you, but he's definitely something "special". He's unlike any other QB out there ... Brings a completely unique aspect to the game.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
That is fine, but when talking about the player as a whole, which you must when rating them, intangibles, which work against Owens, must be taken into account.
That might be, but until the last two weeks (and I assume this poll was not conducted in the last two weeks), he has been a medicore at best passing QB, yet he has always been overhyped as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Overrated? Very. Roethlisberger is probably overrated a bit by Steelers fans, but not by NFL fans in general.
Futility
Footballguy
Get Roy Williams a Darren Woodson-caliber FS and he'll live up to the hype. There's no coincidence that his best overall seasons came with Woodson lined up next to him.Ok so Roy makes A big play in every Dallas game (except against the Giants on Monday night 4 tackles, 0 interceptions, 0 passes defended and beat like a drum by Shockey for a TD) the guy is still overrated.Sure he can light up a RB in the hole with the best of them.Have you also noticed that Roy Williams leads the Dallas Defense (which is ranked #4 in the NFL) with 3 ints and 7 passes defensed in 7 games? Not only that, but sit back, chill and watch a Cowboys game without any judgement and I can almost promise that you'll witness Roy will make a big time play at some point during the game. Lastly, I distinctly remember Roy lighting up Brandon Jacobs on the inch yard line last year resulting in a game deciding fumble. Do you really think Roy makes the Pro-Bowl every year based on reputation or his ability on the field?I see plenty of games. Why would I hate on Roy? As a Giants fan I love watching him take bad angles when trying to tackle Tiki Barber, I also enjoy seeing him getting run over by Jacobs and most of all I love seeing him attempting to cover Shockey down field.
You sit back an watch him play without judgments and count how many times he takes bad angles and has no other choice but to horse collar a RB to bring him down.
And to answer your question, I think he went to the last of Pro-Bowl on reputation. I think he is good but I also think he is overrated.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Exactly, and he got a ton of votes in this poll.gferrell20 said:
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
Do you think Favre has been terrible this season?10 different smiley faces doesn't help make your case. What has Brett Favre done lately? What's his TD/INT ratio in the last few years? He's been a terrible QB for the last few years yet still get high praise from the likes of John Madden. Favre is the pure definition of overrated (we're talking about now, not 5 years ago).You mean the NFL MVP, SuperBowl Winning, Record holding QB?
DaWidowMaker
Footballguy
Ummm...I don't have man-love for Roy or anything (met him in Jamaica and he is cool) but he only played his rookie season with Darren. Ok I'm done....if all of you guys think Roy is overrated just continue to watch the rest of the season.Futility said:Get Roy Williams a Darren Woodson-caliber FS and he'll live up to the hype. There's no coincidence that his best overall seasons came with Woodson lined up next to him.Ok so Roy makes A big play in every Dallas game (except against the Giants on Monday night 4 tackles, 0 interceptions, 0 passes defended and beat like a drum by Shockey for a TD) the guy is still overrated.Sure he can light up a RB in the hole with the best of them.Have you also noticed that Roy Williams leads the Dallas Defense (which is ranked #4 in the NFL) with 3 ints and 7 passes defensed in 7 games? Not only that, but sit back, chill and watch a Cowboys game without any judgement and I can almost promise that you'll witness Roy will make a big time play at some point during the game. Lastly, I distinctly remember Roy lighting up Brandon Jacobs on the inch yard line last year resulting in a game deciding fumble. Do you really think Roy makes the Pro-Bowl every year based on reputation or his ability on the field?I see plenty of games. Why would I hate on Roy? As a Giants fan I love watching him take bad angles when trying to tackle Tiki Barber, I also enjoy seeing him getting run over by Jacobs and most of all I love seeing him attempting to cover Shockey down field.
You sit back an watch him play without judgments and count how many times he takes bad angles and has no other choice but to horse collar a RB to bring him down.
And to answer your question, I think he went to the last of Pro-Bowl on reputation. I think he is good but I also think he is overrated.
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Tau837
Footballguy
Derek Jeter is and always has been overrated.
bentley
Footballguy
And there's the little fact that Darren Woodson was a strong safety, not a FS.Ummm...I don't have man-love for Roy or anything (met him in Jamaica and he is cool) but he only played his rookie season with Darren. Ok I'm done....if all of you guys think Roy is overrated just continue to watch the rest of the season.Futility said:Get Roy Williams a Darren Woodson-caliber FS and he'll live up to the hype. There's no coincidence that his best overall seasons came with Woodson lined up next to him.Ok so Roy makes A big play in every Dallas game (except against the Giants on Monday night 4 tackles, 0 interceptions, 0 passes defended and beat like a drum by Shockey for a TD) the guy is still overrated.Sure he can light up a RB in the hole with the best of them.Have you also noticed that Roy Williams leads the Dallas Defense (which is ranked #4 in the NFL) with 3 ints and 7 passes defensed in 7 games? Not only that, but sit back, chill and watch a Cowboys game without any judgement and I can almost promise that you'll witness Roy will make a big time play at some point during the game. Lastly, I distinctly remember Roy lighting up Brandon Jacobs on the inch yard line last year resulting in a game deciding fumble. Do you really think Roy makes the Pro-Bowl every year based on reputation or his ability on the field?I see plenty of games. Why would I hate on Roy? As a Giants fan I love watching him take bad angles when trying to tackle Tiki Barber, I also enjoy seeing him getting run over by Jacobs and most of all I love seeing him attempting to cover Shockey down field.
You sit back an watch him play without judgments and count how many times he takes bad angles and has no other choice but to horse collar a RB to bring him down.
And to answer your question, I think he went to the last of Pro-Bowl on reputation. I think he is good but I also think he is overrated.
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