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S JAX value through the rest of the year? (1 Viewer)

ace_spaid

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just curious what you guys think is STEVEN JACKSONs value. is he still a RB1? do you see him returning to old form or is this going to be a bad year?

 
His value is just fine. He'll have a big game this week as he will against all weaker defenses. Starting off the year @ PHI and against the NYG is not easy on any back. The tail end of his schedule is beautiful...so hold steady or buy low and be rewarded in the second half of the season.

 
S-Jax is gonna be fine.

I think most of the FBG staff agrees due to his still high ranking in the Top 250 Forward.

As long as you get points for receiving yards in addition to rushing, he's still Top 6.

In Sunday's game (a blowout), he led the team in receptions and almost had a 60+yard TD run but got tripped up in the turf.

His numbers would have looked studly Sunday if not for a little trip up.

Hang tight if you got 'em, Buy low if you don't.

 
i have him..............i heard of this trip up but didnt see any highlights that would make me feel better............video anywhere of this?

 
never mind..............caught in on NFL.com................and yes Giants fan......he woulda been gone.

 
Wish he hadn't tripped... I lost my matchup due to Cutlers "extra" stats he gained after the blown call.. Lost by 4 pts.... Would have easily won if Jackson took it to the endzone. I'm 0-2, lost my first matchup in a tiebreaker, and I have Colsten and Burleson out... I'm hurting at WR... I don't know if I can keep the ship afloat long enough for the sweet spot of Jackson's season to hit!!

 
how low do you think i could get him at? would anyone take either turner, jones drew, or graham. coupled with desean jackson? or any combo with those players.

 
I just traded LT straight up for him in a PPR 12 team 2 keeper league. Quite honestly I just wanted to rid myself of the toe drama, even if it's just a "few" weeks which I don't believe to be the case. I like knowing that I have a top 5 stud that is going to play this week rather than the #1 guy who may be a GTD or worse yet play and sit like he did this week for the next 4 weeks...turf toe doesn't go away in a week. I agree better days are ahead for SJax especially in PPR leagues...he IS their offense. I also like that he is 4 years younger and has a ton less mileage.

 
ace_spaid said:
just curious what you guys think is STEVEN JACKSONs value. is he still a RB1? do you see him returning to old form or is this going to be a bad year?
NOT a chance he finishes in the top 10..I'd wait for a big game, and trade him for whatever you can get out of him.that line is putrid, the QB is worn out, the offensive system is pathetic, the wr's are old and slow, and they are by far the worst team in their division ( even worse than SF).you have to realize that not many pro bowl RB's come from teams that win just 2-4 games, because thats as many as St Louis will win all year long..Barry Sanders, maybe, Sjax - not so much... :lmao: :lmao:
 
ace_spaid said:
just curious what you guys think is STEVEN JACKSONs value. is he still a RB1? do you see him returning to old form or is this going to be a bad year?
NOT a chance he finishes in the top 10..I'd wait for a big game, and trade him for whatever you can get out of him.that line is putrid, the QB is worn out, the offensive system is pathetic, the wr's are old and slow, and they are by far the worst team in their division ( even worse than SF).you have to realize that not many pro bowl RB's come from teams that win just 2-4 games, because thats as many as St Louis will win all year long..Barry Sanders, maybe, Sjax - not so much... :lmao: :lmao:
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Put him "on the block" in a funky dynasty league yesterday (involves contracts, salary cap, etc.). Right now he's at about 20-25% of my cap, and probably a year or maybe two away from being a dependable *top 5-10* rb. He may have a few nice weeks this season, but it doesn't look good.

No PPR in this league and TD only - so my opinion wouldn't translate to other performance leagues.

Offered him for B Marshall s/u to get some nice cap relief to go practice squad sniping to build the roster around J Stewart. Brutal team in STL. Horrible O line, QB getting killed, Holt's lost a step, and they're very close to a coaching change which will put them another year behind the curve IMO learning the new offense/system.

Redrafters - I'd hang on b/c you won't get close to ADP value in this market. If you can manage to stay in the race till the schedule opens up, it might be OK.

SOOOO glad I took MBIII #5 over Addai/Jax.

 
ace_spaid said:
just curious what you guys think is STEVEN JACKSONs value. is he still a RB1? do you see him returning to old form or is this going to be a bad year?
NOT a chance he finishes in the top 10..I'd wait for a big game, and trade him for whatever you can get out of him.that line is putrid, the QB is worn out, the offensive system is pathetic, the wr's are old and slow, and they are by far the worst team in their division ( even worse than SF).you have to realize that not many pro bowl RB's come from teams that win just 2-4 games, because thats as many as St Louis will win all year long..Barry Sanders, maybe, Sjax - not so much... :fishing: :lmao:
What's the difference between his situation right now and the last 8 games of '07...when he averaged 16.5 fpg in my league?That average of 16 games puts him at RB#3 in my league last year.
 
Kiddnets said:
See week 9 to 16 - if you can float until then he may very well carry you to a title!
Exactly. They opened with two very tough games, his schedule is cake late. I'm holding.
 
ace_spaid said:
just curious what you guys think is STEVEN JACKSONs value. is he still a RB1? do you see him returning to old form or is this going to be a bad year?
NOT a chance he finishes in the top 10..I'd wait for a big game, and trade him for whatever you can get out of him.that line is putrid, the QB is worn out, the offensive system is pathetic, the wr's are old and slow, and they are by far the worst team in their division ( even worse than SF).you have to realize that not many pro bowl RB's come from teams that win just 2-4 games, because thats as many as St Louis will win all year long..Barry Sanders, maybe, Sjax - not so much... :unsure: :lmao:
I only play PPR so I can just speak to that and say you can be a top 10 RB real easy on a bad team. The guy is very skilled and in his prime, don't let the shaky team scare you, he'll get TONS of touches.
 
ace_spaid said:
just curious what you guys think is STEVEN JACKSONs value. is he still a RB1? do you see him returning to old form or is this going to be a bad year?
NOT a chance he finishes in the top 10..I'd wait for a big game, and trade him for whatever you can get out of him.that line is putrid, the QB is worn out, the offensive system is pathetic, the wr's are old and slow, and they are by far the worst team in their division ( even worse than SF).you have to realize that not many pro bowl RB's come from teams that win just 2-4 games, because thats as many as St Louis will win all year long..Barry Sanders, maybe, Sjax - not so much... :wub: :thumbdown:
What's the difference between his situation right now and the last 8 games of '07...when he averaged 16.5 fpg in my league?That average of 16 games puts him at RB#3 in my league last year.
Actually...the Data Dominator has him as the #4 RB in fantasy points over the last 8 weeks in '07.
 
I have a rather big trade being offered to me...

The guy is offering me SJAX - Gore - Andre Johnson

For Westbrook - R. Williams - Houshmanzadeh

Keep in mind this is a PPR league.... and Westbrook is the man. We have to start three running backs and outside of Westbrook, I am thin. He still has good backs including Forte.

 
WiDDoW_MaKeR said:
I have a rather big trade being offered to me...The guy is offering me SJAX - Gore - Andre JohnsonFor Westbrook - R. Williams - HoushmanzadehKeep in mind this is a PPR league.... and Westbrook is the man. We have to start three running backs and outside of Westbrook, I am thin. He still has good backs including Forte.
no brainer...pull that trigger
 
WiDDoW_MaKeR said:
I have a rather big trade being offered to me...The guy is offering me SJAX - Gore - Andre JohnsonFor Westbrook - R. Williams - HoushmanzadehKeep in mind this is a PPR league.... and Westbrook is the man. We have to start three running backs and outside of Westbrook, I am thin. He still has good backs including Forte.
I still do that trade in a heartbeat...
 
ace_spaid said:
just curious what you guys think is STEVEN JACKSONs value. is he still a RB1? do you see him returning to old form or is this going to be a bad year?
NOT a chance he finishes in the top 10..I'd wait for a big game, and trade him for whatever you can get out of him.that line is putrid, the QB is worn out, the offensive system is pathetic, the wr's are old and slow, and they are by far the worst team in their division ( even worse than SF).you have to realize that not many pro bowl RB's come from teams that win just 2-4 games, because thats as many as St Louis will win all year long..Barry Sanders, maybe, Sjax - not so much... :hifive: :thumbup:
I only play PPR so I can just speak to that and say you can be a top 10 RB real easy on a bad team. The guy is very skilled and in his prime, don't let the shaky team scare you, he'll get TONS of touches.
He has great value in all leagues. Just look at last year under worse OL situations. The guy carried teams through the playoffs. Unfortunately some people don't see history as fact but there isn't a projecter out there that has him below player ranking 8 for the rest of the year. I challenge anyone to find a pro who thinks otherwise.
 
WiDDoW_MaKeR said:
I have a rather big trade being offered to me...The guy is offering me SJAX - Gore - Andre JohnsonFor Westbrook - R. Williams - HoushmanzadehKeep in mind this is a PPR league.... and Westbrook is the man. We have to start three running backs and outside of Westbrook, I am thin. He still has good backs including Forte.
I still do that trade in a heartbeat...
You are questioning this. Run with it and congrats.
 
Non PPR league, I gave up Brandon Jacobs and Selvin Young and got S Jax and Dom Rhodes.

I have depth since it's only a 10 team league. Will dump Rhodes for waiver wire fodder.

Went for the playoff stretch upside.

 
I have a rather big trade being offered to me...The guy is offering me SJAX - Gore - Andre JohnsonFor Westbrook - R. Williams - HoushmanzadehKeep in mind this is a PPR league.... and Westbrook is the man. We have to start three running backs and outside of Westbrook, I am thin. He still has good backs including Forte.
I still do that trade in a heartbeat...
You are questioning this. Run with it and congrats.
:goodposting: Do it before he comes to his senses and revokes it.
 
I have a rather big trade being offered to me...The guy is offering me SJAX - Gore - Andre JohnsonFor Westbrook - R. Williams - HoushmanzadehKeep in mind this is a PPR league.... and Westbrook is the man. We have to start three running backs and outside of Westbrook, I am thin. He still has good backs including Forte.
I still do that trade in a heartbeat...
You are questioning this. Run with it and congrats.
:lmao: Do it before he comes to his senses and revokes it.
I own S.Jax in both of my leagues but if I did not I,d be buying...I knew going in to the yr he had tough match ups the first two weeks So there is no reason to panic. If he would not have tripped over his own feet and broken off that 65 yarder we would all be talking about how great he looked last Sunday.Looking back at last yrs game log when he finally got healthy he had an unbelievable streak of games where he broke off long runs week11-16 37yds,53yds,50yds,54yds,46yds and 36yds I wonder if anyone has ever had a streak like it? My best guess would be maybe B.Sanders.So i think that starting this week against Sea he is going to start another run of breaking off long ones.Im looking for 200 total yrds and 2 tds this week.And as far as the PPR league thing...he has more catches than Westbrook so far this season and is on pace for 80!He had 90 2 yrs ago so I would not worry about that.I think he ends up top 3 by end of the yr.
 
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FWIW, saw two SJax trades today and I was involved in one of them. I didn't necessarily buy low, but I'm hoping he can turn it around after a slow start.

Gave up: Addai, MJD, 2009 1st

Received: SJax, Welker

Another trade I saw was a team giving up Kevin Smith, Michael Turner, 2009 1st, and 2009 3rd for SJax.

1 ppr leagues.

 
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/st...75?OpenDocument

Action for Jackson • More carries are promised

Rams running back Steven Jackson (39): "We've just got to get that flow of the offense and put together long drives and get into the red zone and score." (Dilip Vishwanat/Getty Images)By Bill Coats

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

09/19/2008

An older, wiser Steven Jackson is making no demands, unlike in 2005 when he angrily taped the words "Give me the ball" over his locker stall at Rams Park.

But make no mistake: Jackson is itching to boost his carries total — perhaps even double them — on Sunday in Seattle. And offensive coordinator Al Saunders is eager to accommodate the 6-foot-2, 235-pound running back.

"We have to get the ball to our best player, No. 39," Saunders said. "He hasn't run the ball enough, and we need to make sure that we establish our run" so that opponents can't tee off in obvious passing situations.

After two lopsided losses, the Rams are last in the NFL in total offense and tied for last in scoring. Some 29 ballcarriers have surpassed Jackson's 93 rushing yards.

In 2005, when Jackson led the league in yards from scrimmage, he got almost 22 carries per game. This year, he's averaging just 13 1/2.

That's partly because the Rams have fallen behind early and have had to pass to try to catch up: Of the 99 plays called, only 31 were runs — one was a 9-yard scramble by quarterback Marc Bulger.

Also, Saunders believes that Jackson's 27-day holdout slowed his readiness.

"Steven's a special back," Saunders said, "but I don't care who you are, it takes time to get into the flow."

A less-mature Jackson might have argued that point. Instead, he calmly maintained that more work on game day would get him up to speed faster.

"I'm not one of those scat-back guys where two or three carries will do it for me; I need my chance to get a feel for a game and wear defenses down," he said. "We've just got to get that flow of the offense and put together long drives and get into the red zone and score."

Jackson noted that it was important not to the let the mounting speculation about coach Scott Linehan's job security — fueled by strong comments from team owner Chip Rosenbloom on Monday — affect the team's efforts to shift its fortunes.

"If the newspapers are in the locker room, I get rid of them. You don't really need to defeat your spirit with that," Jackson said. "If we get to winning, a lot of people will be rewarded. Players just need to take care of what players can do, and that's play well."

Jackson, a fifth-year pro, said he's confident the Rams soon will start putting up better numbers. History is on their side, he emphasized.

"This offense is proven around the league. Wherever Coach Saunders has been, his offense is normally among the top in the statistics, passing and rushing," he said. "We like to use the (term) 'chopping the wood.' If we keep chopping the wood, eventually we'll have our breakthrough game."
 
How does his matchup look for this week? I know Seattle is tough at home, but it seems that team is hurting too, more on off than def though.. Do they have a good rush def?

 
FWIW, saw two SJax trades today and I was involved in one of them. I didn't necessarily buy low, but I'm hoping he can turn it around after a slow start.Gave up: Addai, MJD, 2009 1stReceived: SJax, WelkerAnother trade I saw was a team giving up Kevin Smith, Michael Turner, 2009 1st, and 2009 3rd for SJax.1 ppr leagues.
In a 1 PPR league I just gave up Calvin, Rodgers, and an 09 1st for SJax, Palmer, and B. JohnsonI hope I sold Rodgers high and got SJax and Palmer low but we'll see
 
Being someone who lives in St. Louis (although not much of a Rams fan, aside from wanting to see them do well because they are the home team), I think it is entirely possible that Linehan will not last much longer if the team continues to not win at all. I could see him getting fired during the bye week. The team could definitely be more enthusiastic with a new coach, as they seem to have given up on Linehan already, so that, along with their schedule not being as difficult down the stretch, could enable Jackson to have a good second half of the season.

 
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How does his matchup look for this week? I know Seattle is tough at home, but it seems that team is hurting too, more on off than def though.. Do they have a good rush def?
Seattle: #14 in the NFL after 2 games, averaging 99.5 rushing yards allowed per game, with 2 rushing TDs handed over to date. Last week, the Seahawks allowed 19/61/1 rushing to Frank Gore last week (3.2 yards per carry), but O'Sullivan gained 4/32/0 to skew the final box score to 23/93/1 (a 4.0 yards per carry average). Last year Jackson managed 23/90/1 rushing and 4 targets for 3/15/0 receiving in his time on the field vs. Seattle (as others in this thread have emphasized how "great" he was when on the field last year despite a bad line, I used the data dominator to check Jackson vs. SEA 2007). BTW, I had Jackson at #9 fantasy RB in my preseason rankings, and now I think that may have been overly optimistic (I was, and remain, by far the most pessimistic about his chances) - his schedule does get easier later in the year, but that OL is not, in my opinion, any better than last year's. Richie Incognito has been whiffing on a ton of blocks according to what I've read about the practices and what I've seen of the Rams in games, and Nick Leckey is struggling at C. The middle of the OL is plain bad, and it is unclear when Romberg will be able to start snapping the ball again (broken hand - he can't grip the football properly to deliver it to Bulger). As others have pointed out, the passing game is worse this year than last (Holt made a miracle TD catch laying flat on his back in the end-zone last week, otherwise the Rams would have zero pass TDs to date), which will allow teams to concentrate on stuffing Jackson at or near the line of scrimmage. Even if he doubles his carries (from 13.5 to 27), at the current YPC average of the Rams' OL (3.4 yards per carry) he still likely won't break through the 100-yards rushing level on a regular basis. Also, let's not forget he (and the entire St. Louis team) had 5 rushing TDs all of last year - the Rams' OL is especially bad at run-blocking in goal line situations.He may improve over his current numbers as the Rams are crazy to only put the ball in his hands 15-18 times a game, but I am not optimistic that he will approach RB1 numbers on a weekly-basis. He looks like a marginal RB2 to me going forward.
 
FWIW, saw two SJax trades today and I was involved in one of them. I didn't necessarily buy low, but I'm hoping he can turn it around after a slow start.Gave up: Addai, MJD, 2009 1stReceived: SJax, WelkerAnother trade I saw was a team giving up Kevin Smith, Michael Turner, 2009 1st, and 2009 3rd for SJax.1 ppr leagues.
I think you got hosed.
 
FWIW, saw two SJax trades today and I was involved in one of them. I didn't necessarily buy low, but I'm hoping he can turn it around after a slow start.Gave up: Addai, MJD, 2009 1stReceived: SJax, WelkerAnother trade I saw was a team giving up Kevin Smith, Michael Turner, 2009 1st, and 2009 3rd for SJax.1 ppr leagues.
In a 1 PPR league I just gave up Calvin, Rodgers, and an 09 1st for SJax, Palmer, and B. JohnsonI hope I sold Rodgers high and got SJax and Palmer low but we'll see
are you high?
 
Hipple said:
FWIW, saw two SJax trades today and I was involved in one of them. I didn't necessarily buy low, but I'm hoping he can turn it around after a slow start.Gave up: Addai, MJD, 2009 1stReceived: SJax, WelkerAnother trade I saw was a team giving up Kevin Smith, Michael Turner, 2009 1st, and 2009 3rd for SJax.1 ppr leagues.
I think you got hosed.
Could very well have. We shall see.
 
How does his matchup look for this week? I know Seattle is tough at home, but it seems that team is hurting too, more on off than def though.. Do they have a good rush def?
Seattle: #14 in the NFL after 2 games, averaging 99.5 rushing yards allowed per game, with 2 rushing TDs handed over to date. Last week, the Seahawks allowed 19/61/1 rushing to Frank Gore last week (3.2 yards per carry), but O'Sullivan gained 4/32/0 to skew the final box score to 23/93/1 (a 4.0 yards per carry average). Last year Jackson managed 23/90/1 rushing and 4 targets for 3/15/0 receiving in his time on the field vs. Seattle (as others in this thread have emphasized how "great" he was when on the field last year despite a bad line, I used the data dominator to check Jackson vs. SEA 2007). BTW, I had Jackson at #9 fantasy RB in my preseason rankings, and now I think that may have been overly optimistic (I was, and remain, by far the most pessimistic about his chances) - his schedule does get easier later in the year, but that OL is not, in my opinion, any better than last year's. Richie Incognito has been whiffing on a ton of blocks according to what I've read about the practices and what I've seen of the Rams in games, and Nick Leckey is struggling at C. The middle of the OL is plain bad, and it is unclear when Romberg will be able to start snapping the ball again (broken hand - he can't grip the football properly to deliver it to Bulger). As others have pointed out, the passing game is worse this year than last (Holt made a miracle TD catch laying flat on his back in the end-zone last week, otherwise the Rams would have zero pass TDs to date), which will allow teams to concentrate on stuffing Jackson at or near the line of scrimmage. Even if he doubles his carries (from 13.5 to 27), at the current YPC average of the Rams' OL (3.4 yards per carry) he still likely won't break through the 100-yards rushing level on a regular basis. Also, let's not forget he (and the entire St. Louis team) had 5 rushing TDs all of last year - the Rams' OL is especially bad at run-blocking in goal line situations.He may improve over his current numbers as the Rams are crazy to only put the ball in his hands 15-18 times a game, but I am not optimistic that he will approach RB1 numbers on a weekly-basis. He looks like a marginal RB2 to me going forward.
Mark - I've been looking for a reason why SJax's situation now is worse than it was the last 8 games of '07, when he finished as the #4 RB according to dd.It seems you believe that reason is the worsening of the passing game.But looking at the stats from '07...Bulger finished 30th in rating, 20th in yards, 20th in TDs, and 25th in completions.So you think it will be worse than that, enough to drop SJax from the top 5 to a marginal RB #2?
 
Hipple said:
FWIW, saw two SJax trades today and I was involved in one of them. I didn't necessarily buy low, but I'm hoping he can turn it around after a slow start.Gave up: Addai, MJD, 2009 1stReceived: SJax, WelkerAnother trade I saw was a team giving up Kevin Smith, Michael Turner, 2009 1st, and 2009 3rd for SJax.1 ppr leagues.
I think you got hosed.
Agree, two top ten dynasty backs and a 1st round pick for Jackson and a top 20-30 WR?
 
I ended up doing a different deal instead. I traded Rogers (I have Romo) and R. Williams for Brandon Jacobs. Now... I get to keep Westbrook, and have Jacobs to go with him. I like the Combo of Westbrook and Jacobs better than SJax and Gore. I really like Gore... but he is going to be skiddish in that offense. He should be solid though.... I look for a big year out of him. However, I just can't pretend like SJax isn't in the worst offense in the NFL. There is no promise of him pulling through, just because of his name. He wouldn't be the first stud back to fall apart because of a horrible offense... see Gore last year.

 
FWIW, saw two SJax trades today and I was involved in one of them. I didn't necessarily buy low, but I'm hoping he can turn it around after a slow start.Gave up: Addai, MJD, 2009 1stReceived: SJax, WelkerAnother trade I saw was a team giving up Kevin Smith, Michael Turner, 2009 1st, and 2009 3rd for SJax.1 ppr leagues.
In a 1 PPR league I just gave up Calvin, Rodgers, and an 09 1st for SJax, Palmer, and B. JohnsonI hope I sold Rodgers high and got SJax and Palmer low but we'll see
The two of you are bragging about these trades as buy-lows?I think they are both, if anything, more favorable for your trade partners.
 
10 team redraft .5ppr

got a guy to agree to calvin johnson and colston for sjax and jennings

it would make my team unbeatable

then he asked some other dude in my league if he should do it and the other guy cockblocked me just because hes terrified of what my team would become

if he accepts it im literally unstoppable (cutler fitz jennings desean/agonz westy sjax witten championship)

 
FWIW, saw two SJax trades today and I was involved in one of them. I didn't necessarily buy low, but I'm hoping he can turn it around after a slow start.

Gave up: Addai, MJD, 2009 1st

Received: SJax, Welker

Another trade I saw was a team giving up Kevin Smith, Michael Turner, 2009 1st, and 2009 3rd for SJax.

1 ppr leagues.
In a 1 PPR league I just gave up Calvin, Rodgers, and an 09 1st for SJax, Palmer, and B. JohnsonI hope I sold Rodgers high and got SJax and Palmer low but we'll see
The two of you are bragging about these trades as buy-lows?I think they are both, if anything, more favorable for your trade partners.
Huh? Marc, no offense, but did you even read my post? I specifically said "I didn't necessarily buy low". How is that either bragging or, worse yet, bragging as a buy-low. It was merely an example of a trade that went down to show what his current value may still be considered. I'm confused how you commented the way you did when neither post came off as "bragging" in any way, shape, or form.
 
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Wish he hadn't tripped... I lost my matchup due to Cutlers "extra" stats he gained after the blown call.. Lost by 4 pts.... Would have easily won if Jackson took it to the endzone. I'm 0-2, lost my first matchup in a tiebreaker, and I have Colsten and Burleson out... I'm hurting at WR... I don't know if I can keep the ship afloat long enough for the sweet spot of Jackson's season to hit!!
please keep us updated on your team as the year progresses.TIA
 
gump said:
How does his matchup look for this week? I know Seattle is tough at home, but it seems that team is hurting too, more on off than def though.. Do they have a good rush def?
Seattle: #14 in the NFL after 2 games, averaging 99.5 rushing yards allowed per game, with 2 rushing TDs handed over to date. Last week, the Seahawks allowed 19/61/1 rushing to Frank Gore last week (3.2 yards per carry), but O'Sullivan gained 4/32/0 to skew the final box score to 23/93/1 (a 4.0 yards per carry average). Last year Jackson managed 23/90/1 rushing and 4 targets for 3/15/0 receiving in his time on the field vs. Seattle (as others in this thread have emphasized how "great" he was when on the field last year despite a bad line, I used the data dominator to check Jackson vs. SEA 2007). BTW, I had Jackson at #9 fantasy RB in my preseason rankings, and now I think that may have been overly optimistic (I was, and remain, by far the most pessimistic about his chances) - his schedule does get easier later in the year, but that OL is not, in my opinion, any better than last year's. Richie Incognito has been whiffing on a ton of blocks according to what I've read about the practices and what I've seen of the Rams in games, and Nick Leckey is struggling at C. The middle of the OL is plain bad, and it is unclear when Romberg will be able to start snapping the ball again (broken hand - he can't grip the football properly to deliver it to Bulger). As others have pointed out, the passing game is worse this year than last (Holt made a miracle TD catch laying flat on his back in the end-zone last week, otherwise the Rams would have zero pass TDs to date), which will allow teams to concentrate on stuffing Jackson at or near the line of scrimmage. Even if he doubles his carries (from 13.5 to 27), at the current YPC average of the Rams' OL (3.4 yards per carry) he still likely won't break through the 100-yards rushing level on a regular basis. Also, let's not forget he (and the entire St. Louis team) had 5 rushing TDs all of last year - the Rams' OL is especially bad at run-blocking in goal line situations.He may improve over his current numbers as the Rams are crazy to only put the ball in his hands 15-18 times a game, but I am not optimistic that he will approach RB1 numbers on a weekly-basis. He looks like a marginal RB2 to me going forward.
Mark - I've been looking for a reason why SJax's situation now is worse than it was the last 8 games of '07, when he finished as the #4 RB according to dd.It seems you believe that reason is the worsening of the passing game.But looking at the stats from '07...Bulger finished 30th in rating, 20th in yards, 20th in TDs, and 25th in completions.So you think it will be worse than that, enough to drop SJax from the top 5 to a marginal RB #2?
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So what's the thought after this week? 66 rushing, 62 receiving, still no TDs (although his team did make it into the red zone). That's a 2.4 YPC (rounding up). Bulger looks terrible, and the Seahawks aren't know for being a stifling defense. Maybe those week 9+ where the schedule is supposed to ease up won't actually help Jackson turn into a top 10 back, let alone a top 5...

Also, an interesting side note: I was surprised to see that Jackson did indeed have a history of breaking long runs last year. I thought he was more of a punishing RB than a speed guy. But this year (after 3 games - 2 against great defenses) he hasn't broken any. Also, despite those long runs last year, he only broke 100 yards once after he returned from injury (9 games). Further, removing those long runs, his YPC last year averaged only 2.8 yards per cary. Wow - not what I would have thought. In fact, 41% of his yards last year came from his longest run in the game.

I know you can't remove long runs from players to evaluate if they are good or not, but that is a pretty brutal YPC. And in 2008? his YPC is 3.2 ypc including long runs... If Jackson has lost a step, or if the defense is able to key on him a little more due to Bulger's ineffectivness, then it is going to be hard for Jackson to break 1000 yards rushing this year.

For point of reference on YPC excluding long runs last year, LT averaged 3.7, Frank Gore averaged 3.4, Marshwan Lynch 3.0, Brandon Jacobs 4.2, Brian Westbrook 3.9, Willie Parker 3.3 and Adrian Peterson 4.3.

 
So what's the thought after this week? 66 rushing, 62 receiving, still no TDs (although his team did make it into the red zone). That's a 2.4 YPC (rounding up). Bulger looks terrible, and the Seahawks aren't know for being a stifling defense. Maybe those week 9+ where the schedule is supposed to ease up won't actually help Jackson turn into a top 10 back, let alone a top 5...Also, an interesting side note: I was surprised to see that Jackson did indeed have a history of breaking long runs last year. I thought he was more of a punishing RB than a speed guy. But this year (after 3 games - 2 against great defenses) he hasn't broken any. Also, despite those long runs last year, he only broke 100 yards once after he returned from injury (9 games). Further, removing those long runs, his YPC last year averaged only 2.8 yards per cary. Wow - not what I would have thought. In fact, 41% of his yards last year came from his longest run in the game. I know you can't remove long runs from players to evaluate if they are good or not, but that is a pretty brutal YPC. And in 2008? his YPC is 3.2 ypc including long runs... If Jackson has lost a step, or if the defense is able to key on him a little more due to Bulger's ineffectivness, then it is going to be hard for Jackson to break 1000 yards rushing this year. For point of reference on YPC excluding long runs last year, LT averaged 3.7, Frank Gore averaged 3.4, Marshwan Lynch 3.0, Brandon Jacobs 4.2, Brian Westbrook 3.9, Willie Parker 3.3 and Adrian Peterson 4.3.
His YPC are not going to be good, I think that is a given at this point. He is clearly behind a poor line and that is affecting the whole offense.But if he is going to get 23 carries and 5 catches, what is not to be pleased about? Even with poor YPC, that number of touches is going to put up some fantasy points. Will he be top 5? Not likely. Top 10? Maybe boarderline. But what do you think a person would trade for him? Unlikely that it would be something with the value that the current owner will have for him, so he seems like the epitomy of a hold tight IMO.
 
I think SJAX is the middle ground this year.. a serviceable starting RB for Fantasy purposes.. without STL getting a LEAD, and having him carry the ball in the 4th, yesterday and a TD is about as good as it gets...

issue is, who is on the wiaver that is better? and who would yo get in a trade...??

he hasn't lost a step,, but the offense he plays with, doesn't get him that 1 step head start anymore...

 

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