It's BS. He would have been tackled anyway.I'm a Giants fan.HTHi have him..............i heard of this trip up but didnt see any highlights that would make me feel better............video anywhere of this?
NOT a chance he finishes in the top 10..I'd wait for a big game, and trade him for whatever you can get out of him.that line is putrid, the QB is worn out, the offensive system is pathetic, the wr's are old and slow, and they are by far the worst team in their division ( even worse than SF).you have to realize that not many pro bowl RB's come from teams that win just 2-4 games, because thats as many as St Louis will win all year long..Barry Sanders, maybe, Sjax - not so much...ace_spaid said:just curious what you guys think is STEVEN JACKSONs value. is he still a RB1? do you see him returning to old form or is this going to be a bad year?
NOT a chance he finishes in the top 10..I'd wait for a big game, and trade him for whatever you can get out of him.that line is putrid, the QB is worn out, the offensive system is pathetic, the wr's are old and slow, and they are by far the worst team in their division ( even worse than SF).you have to realize that not many pro bowl RB's come from teams that win just 2-4 games, because thats as many as St Louis will win all year long..Barry Sanders, maybe, Sjax - not so much...ace_spaid said:just curious what you guys think is STEVEN JACKSONs value. is he still a RB1? do you see him returning to old form or is this going to be a bad year?
What's the difference between his situation right now and the last 8 games of '07...when he averaged 16.5 fpg in my league?That average of 16 games puts him at RB#3 in my league last year.NOT a chance he finishes in the top 10..I'd wait for a big game, and trade him for whatever you can get out of him.that line is putrid, the QB is worn out, the offensive system is pathetic, the wr's are old and slow, and they are by far the worst team in their division ( even worse than SF).you have to realize that not many pro bowl RB's come from teams that win just 2-4 games, because thats as many as St Louis will win all year long..Barry Sanders, maybe, Sjax - not so much...ace_spaid said:just curious what you guys think is STEVEN JACKSONs value. is he still a RB1? do you see him returning to old form or is this going to be a bad year?
Exactly. They opened with two very tough games, his schedule is cake late. I'm holding.Kiddnets said:See week 9 to 16 - if you can float until then he may very well carry you to a title!
I only play PPR so I can just speak to that and say you can be a top 10 RB real easy on a bad team. The guy is very skilled and in his prime, don't let the shaky team scare you, he'll get TONS of touches.NOT a chance he finishes in the top 10..I'd wait for a big game, and trade him for whatever you can get out of him.that line is putrid, the QB is worn out, the offensive system is pathetic, the wr's are old and slow, and they are by far the worst team in their division ( even worse than SF).you have to realize that not many pro bowl RB's come from teams that win just 2-4 games, because thats as many as St Louis will win all year long..Barry Sanders, maybe, Sjax - not so much...ace_spaid said:just curious what you guys think is STEVEN JACKSONs value. is he still a RB1? do you see him returning to old form or is this going to be a bad year?
Actually...the Data Dominator has him as the #4 RB in fantasy points over the last 8 weeks in '07.What's the difference between his situation right now and the last 8 games of '07...when he averaged 16.5 fpg in my league?That average of 16 games puts him at RB#3 in my league last year.NOT a chance he finishes in the top 10..I'd wait for a big game, and trade him for whatever you can get out of him.that line is putrid, the QB is worn out, the offensive system is pathetic, the wr's are old and slow, and they are by far the worst team in their division ( even worse than SF).you have to realize that not many pro bowl RB's come from teams that win just 2-4 games, because thats as many as St Louis will win all year long..Barry Sanders, maybe, Sjax - not so much...ace_spaid said:just curious what you guys think is STEVEN JACKSONs value. is he still a RB1? do you see him returning to old form or is this going to be a bad year?
no brainer...pull that triggerWiDDoW_MaKeR said:I have a rather big trade being offered to me...The guy is offering me SJAX - Gore - Andre JohnsonFor Westbrook - R. Williams - HoushmanzadehKeep in mind this is a PPR league.... and Westbrook is the man. We have to start three running backs and outside of Westbrook, I am thin. He still has good backs including Forte.
I still do that trade in a heartbeat...WiDDoW_MaKeR said:I have a rather big trade being offered to me...The guy is offering me SJAX - Gore - Andre JohnsonFor Westbrook - R. Williams - HoushmanzadehKeep in mind this is a PPR league.... and Westbrook is the man. We have to start three running backs and outside of Westbrook, I am thin. He still has good backs including Forte.
He has great value in all leagues. Just look at last year under worse OL situations. The guy carried teams through the playoffs. Unfortunately some people don't see history as fact but there isn't a projecter out there that has him below player ranking 8 for the rest of the year. I challenge anyone to find a pro who thinks otherwise.I only play PPR so I can just speak to that and say you can be a top 10 RB real easy on a bad team. The guy is very skilled and in his prime, don't let the shaky team scare you, he'll get TONS of touches.NOT a chance he finishes in the top 10..I'd wait for a big game, and trade him for whatever you can get out of him.that line is putrid, the QB is worn out, the offensive system is pathetic, the wr's are old and slow, and they are by far the worst team in their division ( even worse than SF).you have to realize that not many pro bowl RB's come from teams that win just 2-4 games, because thats as many as St Louis will win all year long..Barry Sanders, maybe, Sjax - not so much...ace_spaid said:just curious what you guys think is STEVEN JACKSONs value. is he still a RB1? do you see him returning to old form or is this going to be a bad year?
You are questioning this. Run with it and congrats.I still do that trade in a heartbeat...WiDDoW_MaKeR said:I have a rather big trade being offered to me...The guy is offering me SJAX - Gore - Andre JohnsonFor Westbrook - R. Williams - HoushmanzadehKeep in mind this is a PPR league.... and Westbrook is the man. We have to start three running backs and outside of Westbrook, I am thin. He still has good backs including Forte.
Do it before he comes to his senses and revokes it.You are questioning this. Run with it and congrats.I still do that trade in a heartbeat...I have a rather big trade being offered to me...The guy is offering me SJAX - Gore - Andre JohnsonFor Westbrook - R. Williams - HoushmanzadehKeep in mind this is a PPR league.... and Westbrook is the man. We have to start three running backs and outside of Westbrook, I am thin. He still has good backs including Forte.
I own S.Jax in both of my leagues but if I did not I,d be buying...I knew going in to the yr he had tough match ups the first two weeks So there is no reason to panic. If he would not have tripped over his own feet and broken off that 65 yarder we would all be talking about how great he looked last Sunday.Looking back at last yrs game log when he finally got healthy he had an unbelievable streak of games where he broke off long runs week11-16 37yds,53yds,50yds,54yds,46yds and 36yds I wonder if anyone has ever had a streak like it? My best guess would be maybe B.Sanders.So i think that starting this week against Sea he is going to start another run of breaking off long ones.Im looking for 200 total yrds and 2 tds this week.And as far as the PPR league thing...he has more catches than Westbrook so far this season and is on pace for 80!He had 90 2 yrs ago so I would not worry about that.I think he ends up top 3 by end of the yr.Do it before he comes to his senses and revokes it.You are questioning this. Run with it and congrats.I still do that trade in a heartbeat...I have a rather big trade being offered to me...The guy is offering me SJAX - Gore - Andre JohnsonFor Westbrook - R. Williams - HoushmanzadehKeep in mind this is a PPR league.... and Westbrook is the man. We have to start three running backs and outside of Westbrook, I am thin. He still has good backs including Forte.
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
09/19/2008
An older, wiser Steven Jackson is making no demands, unlike in 2005 when he angrily taped the words "Give me the ball" over his locker stall at Rams Park.
But make no mistake: Jackson is itching to boost his carries total — perhaps even double them — on Sunday in Seattle. And offensive coordinator Al Saunders is eager to accommodate the 6-foot-2, 235-pound running back.
"We have to get the ball to our best player, No. 39," Saunders said. "He hasn't run the ball enough, and we need to make sure that we establish our run" so that opponents can't tee off in obvious passing situations.
After two lopsided losses, the Rams are last in the NFL in total offense and tied for last in scoring. Some 29 ballcarriers have surpassed Jackson's 93 rushing yards.
In 2005, when Jackson led the league in yards from scrimmage, he got almost 22 carries per game. This year, he's averaging just 13 1/2.
That's partly because the Rams have fallen behind early and have had to pass to try to catch up: Of the 99 plays called, only 31 were runs — one was a 9-yard scramble by quarterback Marc Bulger.
Also, Saunders believes that Jackson's 27-day holdout slowed his readiness.
"Steven's a special back," Saunders said, "but I don't care who you are, it takes time to get into the flow."
A less-mature Jackson might have argued that point. Instead, he calmly maintained that more work on game day would get him up to speed faster.
"I'm not one of those scat-back guys where two or three carries will do it for me; I need my chance to get a feel for a game and wear defenses down," he said. "We've just got to get that flow of the offense and put together long drives and get into the red zone and score."
Jackson noted that it was important not to the let the mounting speculation about coach Scott Linehan's job security — fueled by strong comments from team owner Chip Rosenbloom on Monday — affect the team's efforts to shift its fortunes.
"If the newspapers are in the locker room, I get rid of them. You don't really need to defeat your spirit with that," Jackson said. "If we get to winning, a lot of people will be rewarded. Players just need to take care of what players can do, and that's play well."
Jackson, a fifth-year pro, said he's confident the Rams soon will start putting up better numbers. History is on their side, he emphasized.
"This offense is proven around the league. Wherever Coach Saunders has been, his offense is normally among the top in the statistics, passing and rushing," he said. "We like to use the (term) 'chopping the wood.' If we keep chopping the wood, eventually we'll have our breakthrough game."
In a 1 PPR league I just gave up Calvin, Rodgers, and an 09 1st for SJax, Palmer, and B. JohnsonI hope I sold Rodgers high and got SJax and Palmer low but we'll seeFWIW, saw two SJax trades today and I was involved in one of them. I didn't necessarily buy low, but I'm hoping he can turn it around after a slow start.Gave up: Addai, MJD, 2009 1stReceived: SJax, WelkerAnother trade I saw was a team giving up Kevin Smith, Michael Turner, 2009 1st, and 2009 3rd for SJax.1 ppr leagues.
Seattle: #14 in the NFL after 2 games, averaging 99.5 rushing yards allowed per game, with 2 rushing TDs handed over to date. Last week, the Seahawks allowed 19/61/1 rushing to Frank Gore last week (3.2 yards per carry), but O'Sullivan gained 4/32/0 to skew the final box score to 23/93/1 (a 4.0 yards per carry average). Last year Jackson managed 23/90/1 rushing and 4 targets for 3/15/0 receiving in his time on the field vs. Seattle (as others in this thread have emphasized how "great" he was when on the field last year despite a bad line, I used the data dominator to check Jackson vs. SEA 2007). BTW, I had Jackson at #9 fantasy RB in my preseason rankings, and now I think that may have been overly optimistic (I was, and remain, by far the most pessimistic about his chances) - his schedule does get easier later in the year, but that OL is not, in my opinion, any better than last year's. Richie Incognito has been whiffing on a ton of blocks according to what I've read about the practices and what I've seen of the Rams in games, and Nick Leckey is struggling at C. The middle of the OL is plain bad, and it is unclear when Romberg will be able to start snapping the ball again (broken hand - he can't grip the football properly to deliver it to Bulger). As others have pointed out, the passing game is worse this year than last (Holt made a miracle TD catch laying flat on his back in the end-zone last week, otherwise the Rams would have zero pass TDs to date), which will allow teams to concentrate on stuffing Jackson at or near the line of scrimmage. Even if he doubles his carries (from 13.5 to 27), at the current YPC average of the Rams' OL (3.4 yards per carry) he still likely won't break through the 100-yards rushing level on a regular basis. Also, let's not forget he (and the entire St. Louis team) had 5 rushing TDs all of last year - the Rams' OL is especially bad at run-blocking in goal line situations.He may improve over his current numbers as the Rams are crazy to only put the ball in his hands 15-18 times a game, but I am not optimistic that he will approach RB1 numbers on a weekly-basis. He looks like a marginal RB2 to me going forward.How does his matchup look for this week? I know Seattle is tough at home, but it seems that team is hurting too, more on off than def though.. Do they have a good rush def?
and Roy is a second fiddlehell ya DO IT DO IT! AJ is the MAN!
I think you got hosed.FWIW, saw two SJax trades today and I was involved in one of them. I didn't necessarily buy low, but I'm hoping he can turn it around after a slow start.Gave up: Addai, MJD, 2009 1stReceived: SJax, WelkerAnother trade I saw was a team giving up Kevin Smith, Michael Turner, 2009 1st, and 2009 3rd for SJax.1 ppr leagues.
are you high?In a 1 PPR league I just gave up Calvin, Rodgers, and an 09 1st for SJax, Palmer, and B. JohnsonI hope I sold Rodgers high and got SJax and Palmer low but we'll seeFWIW, saw two SJax trades today and I was involved in one of them. I didn't necessarily buy low, but I'm hoping he can turn it around after a slow start.Gave up: Addai, MJD, 2009 1stReceived: SJax, WelkerAnother trade I saw was a team giving up Kevin Smith, Michael Turner, 2009 1st, and 2009 3rd for SJax.1 ppr leagues.
Could very well have. We shall see.Hipple said:I think you got hosed.FWIW, saw two SJax trades today and I was involved in one of them. I didn't necessarily buy low, but I'm hoping he can turn it around after a slow start.Gave up: Addai, MJD, 2009 1stReceived: SJax, WelkerAnother trade I saw was a team giving up Kevin Smith, Michael Turner, 2009 1st, and 2009 3rd for SJax.1 ppr leagues.
Mark - I've been looking for a reason why SJax's situation now is worse than it was the last 8 games of '07, when he finished as the #4 RB according to dd.It seems you believe that reason is the worsening of the passing game.But looking at the stats from '07...Bulger finished 30th in rating, 20th in yards, 20th in TDs, and 25th in completions.So you think it will be worse than that, enough to drop SJax from the top 5 to a marginal RB #2?Seattle: #14 in the NFL after 2 games, averaging 99.5 rushing yards allowed per game, with 2 rushing TDs handed over to date. Last week, the Seahawks allowed 19/61/1 rushing to Frank Gore last week (3.2 yards per carry), but O'Sullivan gained 4/32/0 to skew the final box score to 23/93/1 (a 4.0 yards per carry average). Last year Jackson managed 23/90/1 rushing and 4 targets for 3/15/0 receiving in his time on the field vs. Seattle (as others in this thread have emphasized how "great" he was when on the field last year despite a bad line, I used the data dominator to check Jackson vs. SEA 2007). BTW, I had Jackson at #9 fantasy RB in my preseason rankings, and now I think that may have been overly optimistic (I was, and remain, by far the most pessimistic about his chances) - his schedule does get easier later in the year, but that OL is not, in my opinion, any better than last year's. Richie Incognito has been whiffing on a ton of blocks according to what I've read about the practices and what I've seen of the Rams in games, and Nick Leckey is struggling at C. The middle of the OL is plain bad, and it is unclear when Romberg will be able to start snapping the ball again (broken hand - he can't grip the football properly to deliver it to Bulger). As others have pointed out, the passing game is worse this year than last (Holt made a miracle TD catch laying flat on his back in the end-zone last week, otherwise the Rams would have zero pass TDs to date), which will allow teams to concentrate on stuffing Jackson at or near the line of scrimmage. Even if he doubles his carries (from 13.5 to 27), at the current YPC average of the Rams' OL (3.4 yards per carry) he still likely won't break through the 100-yards rushing level on a regular basis. Also, let's not forget he (and the entire St. Louis team) had 5 rushing TDs all of last year - the Rams' OL is especially bad at run-blocking in goal line situations.He may improve over his current numbers as the Rams are crazy to only put the ball in his hands 15-18 times a game, but I am not optimistic that he will approach RB1 numbers on a weekly-basis. He looks like a marginal RB2 to me going forward.How does his matchup look for this week? I know Seattle is tough at home, but it seems that team is hurting too, more on off than def though.. Do they have a good rush def?
Agree, two top ten dynasty backs and a 1st round pick for Jackson and a top 20-30 WR?Hipple said:I think you got hosed.FWIW, saw two SJax trades today and I was involved in one of them. I didn't necessarily buy low, but I'm hoping he can turn it around after a slow start.Gave up: Addai, MJD, 2009 1stReceived: SJax, WelkerAnother trade I saw was a team giving up Kevin Smith, Michael Turner, 2009 1st, and 2009 3rd for SJax.1 ppr leagues.
The two of you are bragging about these trades as buy-lows?I think they are both, if anything, more favorable for your trade partners.In a 1 PPR league I just gave up Calvin, Rodgers, and an 09 1st for SJax, Palmer, and B. JohnsonI hope I sold Rodgers high and got SJax and Palmer low but we'll seeFWIW, saw two SJax trades today and I was involved in one of them. I didn't necessarily buy low, but I'm hoping he can turn it around after a slow start.Gave up: Addai, MJD, 2009 1stReceived: SJax, WelkerAnother trade I saw was a team giving up Kevin Smith, Michael Turner, 2009 1st, and 2009 3rd for SJax.1 ppr leagues.
Huh? Marc, no offense, but did you even read my post? I specifically said "I didn't necessarily buy low". How is that either bragging or, worse yet, bragging as a buy-low. It was merely an example of a trade that went down to show what his current value may still be considered. I'm confused how you commented the way you did when neither post came off as "bragging" in any way, shape, or form.The two of you are bragging about these trades as buy-lows?I think they are both, if anything, more favorable for your trade partners.In a 1 PPR league I just gave up Calvin, Rodgers, and an 09 1st for SJax, Palmer, and B. JohnsonI hope I sold Rodgers high and got SJax and Palmer low but we'll seeFWIW, saw two SJax trades today and I was involved in one of them. I didn't necessarily buy low, but I'm hoping he can turn it around after a slow start.
Gave up: Addai, MJD, 2009 1st
Received: SJax, Welker
Another trade I saw was a team giving up Kevin Smith, Michael Turner, 2009 1st, and 2009 3rd for SJax.
1 ppr leagues.
please keep us updated on your team as the year progresses.TIAWish he hadn't tripped... I lost my matchup due to Cutlers "extra" stats he gained after the blown call.. Lost by 4 pts.... Would have easily won if Jackson took it to the endzone. I'm 0-2, lost my first matchup in a tiebreaker, and I have Colsten and Burleson out... I'm hurting at WR... I don't know if I can keep the ship afloat long enough for the sweet spot of Jackson's season to hit!!
gump said:Mark - I've been looking for a reason why SJax's situation now is worse than it was the last 8 games of '07, when he finished as the #4 RB according to dd.It seems you believe that reason is the worsening of the passing game.But looking at the stats from '07...Bulger finished 30th in rating, 20th in yards, 20th in TDs, and 25th in completions.So you think it will be worse than that, enough to drop SJax from the top 5 to a marginal RB #2?Seattle: #14 in the NFL after 2 games, averaging 99.5 rushing yards allowed per game, with 2 rushing TDs handed over to date. Last week, the Seahawks allowed 19/61/1 rushing to Frank Gore last week (3.2 yards per carry), but O'Sullivan gained 4/32/0 to skew the final box score to 23/93/1 (a 4.0 yards per carry average). Last year Jackson managed 23/90/1 rushing and 4 targets for 3/15/0 receiving in his time on the field vs. Seattle (as others in this thread have emphasized how "great" he was when on the field last year despite a bad line, I used the data dominator to check Jackson vs. SEA 2007). BTW, I had Jackson at #9 fantasy RB in my preseason rankings, and now I think that may have been overly optimistic (I was, and remain, by far the most pessimistic about his chances) - his schedule does get easier later in the year, but that OL is not, in my opinion, any better than last year's. Richie Incognito has been whiffing on a ton of blocks according to what I've read about the practices and what I've seen of the Rams in games, and Nick Leckey is struggling at C. The middle of the OL is plain bad, and it is unclear when Romberg will be able to start snapping the ball again (broken hand - he can't grip the football properly to deliver it to Bulger). As others have pointed out, the passing game is worse this year than last (Holt made a miracle TD catch laying flat on his back in the end-zone last week, otherwise the Rams would have zero pass TDs to date), which will allow teams to concentrate on stuffing Jackson at or near the line of scrimmage. Even if he doubles his carries (from 13.5 to 27), at the current YPC average of the Rams' OL (3.4 yards per carry) he still likely won't break through the 100-yards rushing level on a regular basis. Also, let's not forget he (and the entire St. Louis team) had 5 rushing TDs all of last year - the Rams' OL is especially bad at run-blocking in goal line situations.He may improve over his current numbers as the Rams are crazy to only put the ball in his hands 15-18 times a game, but I am not optimistic that he will approach RB1 numbers on a weekly-basis. He looks like a marginal RB2 to me going forward.How does his matchup look for this week? I know Seattle is tough at home, but it seems that team is hurting too, more on off than def though.. Do they have a good rush def?
His YPC are not going to be good, I think that is a given at this point. He is clearly behind a poor line and that is affecting the whole offense.But if he is going to get 23 carries and 5 catches, what is not to be pleased about? Even with poor YPC, that number of touches is going to put up some fantasy points. Will he be top 5? Not likely. Top 10? Maybe boarderline. But what do you think a person would trade for him? Unlikely that it would be something with the value that the current owner will have for him, so he seems like the epitomy of a hold tight IMO.So what's the thought after this week? 66 rushing, 62 receiving, still no TDs (although his team did make it into the red zone). That's a 2.4 YPC (rounding up). Bulger looks terrible, and the Seahawks aren't know for being a stifling defense. Maybe those week 9+ where the schedule is supposed to ease up won't actually help Jackson turn into a top 10 back, let alone a top 5...Also, an interesting side note: I was surprised to see that Jackson did indeed have a history of breaking long runs last year. I thought he was more of a punishing RB than a speed guy. But this year (after 3 games - 2 against great defenses) he hasn't broken any. Also, despite those long runs last year, he only broke 100 yards once after he returned from injury (9 games). Further, removing those long runs, his YPC last year averaged only 2.8 yards per cary. Wow - not what I would have thought. In fact, 41% of his yards last year came from his longest run in the game. I know you can't remove long runs from players to evaluate if they are good or not, but that is a pretty brutal YPC. And in 2008? his YPC is 3.2 ypc including long runs... If Jackson has lost a step, or if the defense is able to key on him a little more due to Bulger's ineffectivness, then it is going to be hard for Jackson to break 1000 yards rushing this year. For point of reference on YPC excluding long runs last year, LT averaged 3.7, Frank Gore averaged 3.4, Marshwan Lynch 3.0, Brandon Jacobs 4.2, Brian Westbrook 3.9, Willie Parker 3.3 and Adrian Peterson 4.3.