Saints are better than the Packers (1 Viewer)

[sho nuff]

Blip. But by all means, keep grasping at straws. Here you have a team that won 19 straight games. Many of them blowouts. One of them the Super Bowl. Another they beat the team in question. And you are going to hang your hat on the fact that they lost "a game" since last year? Have at it! The Saints are good. But they showed once that they are not good enough.

If the Packers are half as arrogant as many of their fans they are ripe for the picking. A one-dimensional passing offense with zero run game and a terrible defense scares nobody come playoff time.Meanwhile, the Saints can run the ball and lately they are playing solid defense. And some guy named Brees is breaking umpteen records.But yeah, nevermind, Packers are invincible. Greatest team in the history of football....blah blah blah.

Well...they actually have more than zero run game. People thought the same last year about them and the run game has done about the same. Actually, the run game looks better this year than last. Averaging more yards per carry...and already have more rushing TDs than they had last season.And the passing offense is better than last year's team.Yes, the defense has played worse than last year. But it resembles last year's playoff D. 3 of the 4 games in the postseason called upon big turnovers to seal the game after the opposing teams made comeback runs.BTW...please point out this arrogance of Packer fans please...or where anyone called them invincible?

 

[sho nuff]

... trying to deride the Packers for losing to a Chiefs team that came in inspired to play under their new interim head coach is silly since the Saints losing to A.J. Feeley and the hapless Rams was a complete embarrassment. And they didn't just lose to the Rams, they got their asses kicked.

People like throwing up that Rams' game. And, yep, the Saints laid an egg that day. IMHO, the Rams A+ game (especially on defense) defeated the Saints D game that day. However, there were some extenuating cirumstances. Despite the fact that I fully expect non-fans to dismiss them, I'll bring them up anyway.a) The newly-crowned world champion Cardinals were getting feted pre-game. Several Rams' attested to being annoyed by the attention the Cardinals were getting, and felt like they were disrespected as something like the second act that day. The same Rams stated that for the Saints game, they used that on-the-spot disrespect and jealously as extra motivation.

b) The Saints offensive line was still in turmoil. Olin Kreutz had left the team unceremoniously a week earlier, and Brian De La Puente was getting his feet wet as the starting center. Accordingly, the pre-snap line calls were not as crisp as they've gotten in recent weeks. Also, starting RT Zach Strief was out that game.

Like Sabertooth says, a blip. The subsequent fortunes of the Rams and Saints since that game have been much more telling. While the Rams have scoreboard, if they played 100 times today, the Saints are winning 90 or more of them.

I agree with most of that, but I am just saying that it is absurd for AmosMoses to act like the Chiefs beating the Packers is some huge thing, while dismissing the Saints loss to the Rams as insignificant. If anything, the Packers loss could actually help them, as the pressure of 19-0 is now off, so they can rest their players a bit the last week once they clinch home field this weekend. The 13-0 Broncos were shocked by the 5-8 Giants back in '98, and it didn't mean a damn thing as far as it making them any less great. Same thing is the case with the Packers. Not saying the Packers will definitely repeat, like those Broncos did, just that reading into one bad week is not an accurate way of gauging a team's greatness.

It seems to me that you are latching onto nebulous and mystical things like a loss relieving pressure off of a team and how some other team did in 2000 somehow affects the Saints this year. I'm using last weeks performance as something to evaluate the Packers. What's absurd again?

Using only last week's performance.

 

[MaxThreshold]

They're the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I agree. The Packers are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

[sho nuff]

They're the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I agree. The Packers are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Does French Toast hurt sliced bread's value in the world of grain based foods?

 

[MaxThreshold]

They're the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I agree. The Packers are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Does French Toast hurt sliced bread's value in the world of grain based foods?

Not sure. However, going by the Carolina Hustler School of Evidence and Testing, all we need to do is find one person who enjoys French Toast. We can then declare that then that "everybody" loves French Toast so that in turn raises the question of just how good sliced bread is anyways.

 

[Gopher State]

They're the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I agree. The Packers are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

x2

 

[ConfusedRealist]

A one-dimensional passing offense with zero run game and a terrible defense scares nobody come playoff time.

I feel like you're describing the Saints...

 

[MaxThreshold]

A one-dimensional passing offense with zero run game and a terrible defense scares nobody come playoff time.

I feel like you're describing the Saints...

Or the Patriots. Or Detroit. So which one is it?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

They're the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I agree. The Packers are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Does French Toast hurt sliced bread's value in the world of grain based foods?

Not sure. However, going by the Carolina Hustler School of Evidence and Testing, all we need to do is find one person who enjoys French Toast. We can then declare that then that "everybody" loves French Toast so that in turn raises the question of just how good sliced bread is anyways.

Everyone knows French Toast is better than sliced bread... It's the next step in evolution for pete sake..Go Saints!!

 

[Luke Skywalker]

A one-dimensional passing offense with zero run game and a terrible defense scares nobody come playoff time.

I feel like you're describing the Saints...

XYeah, because nothing says one-dimensional offense like the 5th-best rushing attack in football and 7 players with 40+ receptions.

Try watching a game or two, please.

 

[ConfusedRealist]

Playing the Bucs and Panthers twice each had nothing to do with that. If you seriously think playoff caliber teams are worried about the Saints rushing attack without Ingram you're insane.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Playing the Bucs and Panthers twice each had nothing to do with that. If you seriously think playoff caliber teams are worried about the Saints rushing attack without Ingram you're insane.

You are really showing your ignorance here. Not even worth arguing with you.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

A one-dimensional passing offense with zero run game and a terrible defense scares nobody come playoff time.

I feel like you're describing the Saints...

XYeah, because nothing says one-dimensional offense like the 5th-best rushing attack in football and 7 players with 40+ receptions.

Try watching a game or two, please.

I count 6 players with 40+ receptions. Graham, Sproles, Colston, Moore, Thomas, Meachem (40 exactly - interesting choice of cutoffs). Who was the 7th?Of course, it helps that they threw the ball 662 times. For an average of 11.7 yds per reception.

Meanwhile, GB threw the ball 552 times. For an average of 13.7 yds per reception. With, by the way, 7 players with 25+ receptions. And 3 more players in double-digits. BTW, the Pack's top-2 RBs averaged 4.2 yds per carry. Not too shabby. Not exactly one-dimensional.

Let's face it: the passing game is the primary weapon for both of these teams.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

A one-dimensional passing offense with zero run game and a terrible defense scares nobody come playoff time.

I feel like you're describing the Saints...

XYeah, because nothing says one-dimensional offense like the 5th-best rushing attack in football and 7 players with 40+ receptions.

Try watching a game or two, please.

I count 6 players with 40+ receptions. Graham, Sproles, Colston, Moore, Thomas, Meachem (40 exactly - interesting choice of cutoffs). Who was the 7th?Of course, it helps that they threw the ball 662 times. For an average of 11.7 yds per reception.

Meanwhile, GB threw the ball 552 times. For an average of 13.7 yds per reception. With, by the way, 7 players with 25+ receptions. And 3 more players in double-digits. BTW, the Pack's top-2 RBs averaged 4.2 yds per carry. Not too shabby. Not exactly one-dimensional.

Let's face it: the passing game is the primary weapon for both of these teams.

Well setting the all time league record for first downs will net a team more plays, passing or otherwise, in general.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Packers defense last year:

2nd in scoring

5th vs pass

18th vs run

Packers defense this year:

31st in scoring

32nd vs pass

14th vs run

Er, I dunno....

 

[Sabertooth]

Packers defense last year:

2nd in scoring

5th vs pass

18th vs run

Packers defense this year:

31st in scoring

32nd vs pass

14th vs run

Er, I dunno....

I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers. Over at ESPN, Packers are 19th in scoring defense at 22.4 ppg and the Saints are 13th at 21.2 ppg. In pass defense, Green Bay is dead last and the Saints are 30th. In rushing YPG, Green Bay is 14th, and the Saints are 12th.

 

[ArcticEdge]

I despise both teams. That is all.

 

[sho nuff]

I despise both teams. That is all.

I can only imagine the game thread if they meet in the NFC Title game...AE's head may explode in that one.

 

[Reepicheep]

It's times like this, when the NFL playoffs are about to start, and the college bowl games have not yet concluded, that I find myself thankful that all this crap about whos better than who will get settled on the field. Yay NFL!



And just to get myself involved in the fun . . . stats shmats, the Packers already beat all but one team in the NFC playoff field. Bring it on!

 

[Truman]

49ers have the most INTs in the league. Against an INT machine like Brees that will pose major problems come playoff time. They give up the 4th lowest passer rating to opposing QBs.Their vulnerability is in their offensive line which has had pass protection problems. Neither of the other NFC contenders have the pass rush to exploit this, the 49ers would likely be in trouble if they have to face Detroit or Demarcus Ware.

 

[Donnybrook]

49ers have the most INTs in the league. Against an INT machine like Brees that will pose major problems come playoff time. They give up the 4th lowest passer rating to opposing QBs.

Their vulnerability is in their offensive line which has had pass protection problems. Neither of the other NFC contenders have the pass rush to exploit this, the 49ers would likely be in trouble if they have to face Detroit or Demarcus Ware.

Bad Posting. 49ers don't have the most INTs in the league. http://www.nfl.com/s...G_INTERCEPTIONS

 

[beef]

49ers>hi

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

49ers have the most INTs in the league. Against an INT machine like Brees that will pose major problems come playoff time. They give up the 4th lowest passer rating to opposing QBs.

Their vulnerability is in their offensive line which has had pass protection problems. Neither of the other NFC contenders have the pass rush to exploit this, the 49ers would likely be in trouble if they have to face Detroit or Demarcus Ware.

wut?

 

[Truman]

49ers have the most INTs in the league. Against an INT machine like Brees that will pose major problems come playoff time. They give up the 4th lowest passer rating to opposing QBs.

Their vulnerability is in their offensive line which has had pass protection problems. Neither of the other NFC contenders have the pass rush to exploit this, the 49ers would likely be in trouble if they have to face Detroit or Demarcus Ware.

Bad Posting. 49ers don't have the most INTs in the league. http://www.nfl.com/s...G_INTERCEPTIONS

This is 3 weeks ago when they did

 

[Truman]

49ers have the most INTs in the league. Against an INT machine like Brees that will pose major problems come playoff time. They give up the 4th lowest passer rating to opposing QBs.

Their vulnerability is in their offensive line which has had pass protection problems. Neither of the other NFC contenders have the pass rush to exploit this, the 49ers would likely be in trouble if they have to face Detroit or Demarcus Ware.

wut?

3 dropped picks last week. Lions had their shot.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

You assume the Packers make it to the NFC Championship game. If they can lose to the Chiefs, they can lose to anyone.

They're the walking wounded now. The air of invincibility is gone and both the Packers and the rest of the league know it. Doubt they get a playoff win.

 

[Sweetness_34]

It's times like this, when the NFL playoffs are about to start, and the college bowl games have not yet concluded, that I find myself thankful that all this crap about whos better than who will get settled on the field. Yay NFL! And just to get myself involved in the fun . . . stats shmats, the Packers already beat all but one team in the NFC playoff field. Bring it on!

We are very thankful too. Fudgepackers got exposed to be the over-rated crap that they were. Have a nice off-season. Stars could not have been more perfectly aligned for the pack than this year, with home field throughout, no great team left in the NFC or AFC, and with no injury issues on the pack. Now, Woodson, Clifton, Driver are old as dirt....your best safety's career might be over, and even if he tries to come back, odds are he will not be the same player....coaches are going to be leaving for better jobs elsewhere....and there is no easy fix towards getting quality pass rushers and DBs in the NFl when you are picking late in a draft.

 

[sho nuff]

It's times like this, when the NFL playoffs are about to start, and the college bowl games have not yet concluded, that I find myself thankful that all this crap about whos better than who will get settled on the field. Yay NFL! And just to get myself involved in the fun . . . stats shmats, the Packers already beat all but one team in the NFC playoff field. Bring it on!

We are very thankful too. Fudgepackers got exposed to be the over-rated crap that they were. Have a nice off-season. Stars could not have been more perfectly aligned for the pack than this year, with home field throughout, no great team left in the NFC or AFC, and with no injury issues on the pack. Now, Woodson, Clifton, Driver are old as dirt....your best safety's career might be over, and even if he tries to come back, odds are he will not be the same player....coaches are going to be leaving for better jobs elsewhere....and there is no easy fix towards getting quality pass rushers and DBs in the NFl when you are picking late in a draft.

And they will still finish better than the Bears.

 

[Sarnoff]

You assume the Packers make it to the NFC Championship game. If they can lose to the Chiefs, they can lose to anyone.

They're the walking wounded now. The air of invincibility is gone and both the Packers and the rest of the league know it. Doubt they get a playoff win.

Smart man here. Good call.

 

[carverlee]

This thread will look good next week when the 49ers are locked in to the #2 seed and the Saints are struggling to hold onto the division.

Why? A Saints/Packers championship game would look the most likely to me. Wildcard: Saints defeat whatever wildcard team they play at home.The garbage that wins the NFC East plays the other wildcard.Conference: Saints travel to San Francisco. Anything can happen, but advantage Saints.The garbage that wins the NFC East/the other wildcard goes to Green Bay and loses.Conference Championship: Saints at Packers. Green Bay fans would be nervous for good reason. Their defense is awful and Brees isn't a dome prettyboy QB who can't make throws in weather.Now, that's not to say the Saints would even be the favorite. Their defense is also lousy and Green Bay is, of course, for real. Get Jordy Nelson going with Finley and they can hang with anyone. I'd call it a pick 'em. The only team that can beat the Packers in the NFC playoffs is the Saints imo.

I read this post and thought about it often throughout the entire playoffs. Garbage is so definitive, and it was used twice. It's like saying "whatever garbage comes out of the SEC".

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It's times like this, when the NFL playoffs are about to start, and the college bowl games have not yet concluded, that I find myself thankful that all this crap about whos better than who will get settled on the field. Yay NFL! And just to get myself involved in the fun . . . stats shmats, the Packers already beat all but one team in the NFC playoff field. Bring it on!

We are very thankful too. Fudgepackers got exposed to be the over-rated crap that they were. Have a nice off-season. Stars could not have been more perfectly aligned for the pack than this year, with home field throughout, no great team left in the NFC or AFC, and with no injury issues on the pack. Now, Woodson, Clifton, Driver are old as dirt....your best safety's career might be over, and even if he tries to come back, odds are he will not be the same player....coaches are going to be leaving for better jobs elsewhere....and there is no easy fix towards getting quality pass rushers and DBs in the NFl when you are picking late in a draft.

And they will still finish better than the Bears.

OOOooo.. Stingy!! I wonder what pain spurs this hateful comment