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**Saints at Patriots** (-1, 39) 1:00 (1 Viewer)
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VikingFrog
Footballguy
Mac looked terrible last week, albeit against a solid defense. Saints defense seems pretty solid too. Put him in the dirt.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Patriots 17...Saints 16
This could be a snooze fest, I don't say that often.
This could be a snooze fest, I don't say that often.
Boston
Footballguy
Pats are 1-3 and taking on water...if they beat the Saints at home this week and Vegas on the road next week they can temporarily stop the bleeding but if they lose both or split things could really get ugly as they get Buffalo at home and are at Miami the following two weeks...right now I have no faith in this team and the Judon and Gonzalez injuries are devastating...spotlight is on Mac the next two weeks...he needs to prove he can be the reason they win a game and if he can't deliver the next two weeks I think it will be time to start thinking about who else will be their QB in 2024.
Doug B
Footballguy
Maybe. The Saints were reeling pretty badly themselves, with OC Pete Carmichael staring demotion in the face this week.
The Saints are probably the more desperate team this week. We’ll see if they let the Patriots back into it today. Lots of time for slipups.
Boston
Footballguy
Pats are awful and they are at least as desperate as the Saints...worse record, got lit up last week and the sharks are circling in a very tough media market.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Can Coach BB keep his job for the rest of the year before he is FIRED!!!
You tell us how it's gonna roll...Judon OUT, others have been crippled and put on IR
Is it Coach BB fault? If he's fired, does anyone hire him?
Could he come short of Don Shula's W/L record in the NFL, that's all that I really care about, hope they stomp him in a back alley.
You tell us how it's gonna roll...Judon OUT, others have been crippled and put on IR
Is it Coach BB fault? If he's fired, does anyone hire him?
Could he come short of Don Shula's W/L record in the NFL, that's all that I really care about, hope they stomp him in a back alley.
The LV game could be important.
Boston
Footballguy
I have been very vocal that this season now revolves around this week and next because they have Buffalo and Miami after that...right now they are a no-show...I was not high on the Pats going into season (had them at 6-11) but right now it has a chance to be a complete disaster.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
I really don't understand why Rhamondre is getting no work and Elliott is catching balls? Like wtf
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Patriots look Gawd Awful and when you have a HC that hitches his wagon to anything that doesn't resemble a QB/WR/Skill position, you get all this.
rockaction
Footballguy
Jets are in on the Caleb sweepstakes, too, and we've already lost to New England.
karl.Racki
Footballguy
Cause he isn't good?
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Sit Mac.
karl.Racki
Footballguy
I think like Tomlin, the game just has passed by him..
rockaction
Footballguy
Wow did Smith-Schuster ever get pasted there. Ugh.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Yeah, he felt all of that hit.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Foster Moreau, TD! That's awesome.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Yup
FairWarning
Footballguy
The signs have been there for a while.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Bears and NE could be trade partners. NE pick may be in the 7-10 range.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Bill Belichick once upon a time was ahead of the game on the field. He's been surpassed in terms of strategic advantage. He no longer has the ideas that are carrying the day. He cares about the team, he cares about the outcome, he cares about winning. He just don't quite know how to do it any more and nobody's ready to tell him to go because he's still really smart and everyone that works with him respects the hell out of him.
It's rough to see someone that innovated so much have all the wrong things about his legacy understood. His belief system is hard work. It's super uncomplicated. Knowing football and doing the details right. Doing your homework. Studying, preparing, unrelenting work. People with a long history of getting results because their methods were super successful will always have trouble evolving all the time. I don't know Bill well enough to understand what his evolution has been from when he was growing up in the profession. We all grow up in our professions differently. He experienced success at an almost unprecedented level and now can't quite match up with the rest of some of the smartest people in the world.
Remember when that guy that left the team that had the crosses on his hands left town and said that it was hell playing in NE? The movement of the players union? The lack of practices? That's what's wrong with Bill Belichick. He took the criticism to heart that there's a different way. He challenged himself to do things differently. He is trying to live by a new mantra of coaching and player management that doesn't let him practice and teach the way he's used to. "No days off" was how they created an advantage. It's not allowed anymore.
When there's billion dollar business at stake, you better believe that there's some smart people involved. We all like to joke that some of these dudes don't know what they're doing. It's funny but it's also incumbent on us to try and understand why teams and coaches are doing what they're doing in terms of decisions and usage. Try to understand the intersection of skill and opportunity that IS fantasy football. There are people grinding more film than your favorite ff analyst that probably know more about football than anyone here. or anyone getting paid to analyze ff. Teams do things for a reason. When your competition is mostly super-smart sharks, you're going to eventually loose your fastball.
Thought for the day. Bill OBrien. Coaching for Alabama he had teams that had much more of a talent advantage than this Pats team. Once upon a time, we had a QB that wasn't a whiny, dirty you-know-what. I don't know how he looks his teammates in the eye while he's out there nut-shotting dudes. Doesn't help matters that his throws are not where they're supposed to be. It's bad throws, bad protection, bad decisions. A dominant OLine helps but really, really good QBs and coaching staffs find a way to put together a few drives even when they're getting their heads beat in- with sub-par weapons. Not consistently but they put points on the board every once in a while.
This team is awful. The D needed better injury luck. The O needed a prayer. Right now, I'm so sick of Mac I'd prefer they just flat out tank. Caleb Williams or MHJr. Not sure who they need more but they need to start hitting on picks or some bizarre luck. Not happening with this team this way.
I don't know how this gets better but I'm not seeing it. This is downright ugly right now.
It's rough to see someone that innovated so much have all the wrong things about his legacy understood. His belief system is hard work. It's super uncomplicated. Knowing football and doing the details right. Doing your homework. Studying, preparing, unrelenting work. People with a long history of getting results because their methods were super successful will always have trouble evolving all the time. I don't know Bill well enough to understand what his evolution has been from when he was growing up in the profession. We all grow up in our professions differently. He experienced success at an almost unprecedented level and now can't quite match up with the rest of some of the smartest people in the world.
Remember when that guy that left the team that had the crosses on his hands left town and said that it was hell playing in NE? The movement of the players union? The lack of practices? That's what's wrong with Bill Belichick. He took the criticism to heart that there's a different way. He challenged himself to do things differently. He is trying to live by a new mantra of coaching and player management that doesn't let him practice and teach the way he's used to. "No days off" was how they created an advantage. It's not allowed anymore.
When there's billion dollar business at stake, you better believe that there's some smart people involved. We all like to joke that some of these dudes don't know what they're doing. It's funny but it's also incumbent on us to try and understand why teams and coaches are doing what they're doing in terms of decisions and usage. Try to understand the intersection of skill and opportunity that IS fantasy football. There are people grinding more film than your favorite ff analyst that probably know more about football than anyone here. or anyone getting paid to analyze ff. Teams do things for a reason. When your competition is mostly super-smart sharks, you're going to eventually loose your fastball.
Thought for the day. Bill OBrien. Coaching for Alabama he had teams that had much more of a talent advantage than this Pats team. Once upon a time, we had a QB that wasn't a whiny, dirty you-know-what. I don't know how he looks his teammates in the eye while he's out there nut-shotting dudes. Doesn't help matters that his throws are not where they're supposed to be. It's bad throws, bad protection, bad decisions. A dominant OLine helps but really, really good QBs and coaching staffs find a way to put together a few drives even when they're getting their heads beat in- with sub-par weapons. Not consistently but they put points on the board every once in a while.
This team is awful. The D needed better injury luck. The O needed a prayer. Right now, I'm so sick of Mac I'd prefer they just flat out tank. Caleb Williams or MHJr. Not sure who they need more but they need to start hitting on picks or some bizarre luck. Not happening with this team this way.
I don't know how this gets better but I'm not seeing it. This is downright ugly right now.
fatness
Footballguy
Washington might. End of Rivera this year, new owner wanting his own front office and coaching staff, wanting to make a splash with a big name. You know, the Dan Snyder pattern.
Not something I'm hoping to see, but when you're a Washington fan you're used to seeing what you don't want to see.
fatness
Footballguy
I don't think those changes can be blamed for Belichick's decline. Every other team in the league experienced the same changes. I think he's just wearing out, football-wise. The game keeps changing, he's tired. He's still willing, but tired, and wearing out.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
The biggest thing for me is how this will effect Belichick's legacy if it continues in this direction. I think it goes far beyond the game just passing him by.
There have been tomes written on how much Brady effected play on the field and covered up problems on the team during Belichick's career but now it feels like it goes much further than just on field stuff. Brady appears to have had a huge effect off the field as well, in areas like the salary cap where he always took less money than he was worth and his control over the locker room and just his general presence in players wanting to come to NE to play with him.
Belichick has had the incredible fortune to have built his resume on the backs of the greatest defensive player of all time in LT and the greatest offensive player of all time in Brady.
This does not mean Belichick was not good a coach, I truly believe he had a lot of good moments but the talk of him being the greatest coach ever I think is way over blown. IMO, some one labeled as the greatest coach of all time should some how be able to compete for championships with out the greatest players to ever play the game on his team.
There have been tomes written on how much Brady effected play on the field and covered up problems on the team during Belichick's career but now it feels like it goes much further than just on field stuff. Brady appears to have had a huge effect off the field as well, in areas like the salary cap where he always took less money than he was worth and his control over the locker room and just his general presence in players wanting to come to NE to play with him.
Belichick has had the incredible fortune to have built his resume on the backs of the greatest defensive player of all time in LT and the greatest offensive player of all time in Brady.
This does not mean Belichick was not good a coach, I truly believe he had a lot of good moments but the talk of him being the greatest coach ever I think is way over blown. IMO, some one labeled as the greatest coach of all time should some how be able to compete for championships with out the greatest players to ever play the game on his team.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
I understand the reasoning behind this but remain unmoved from my position. I lend some credence to the point made in the previous post. However when your team isn’t as talented, having the ability to outwork everyone in preparation, flexibility and fitness is in and of itself an advantage. Name a system innovated by BB? His inventions were wrinkles and defensive strategy implementation. Intensity of approach. Sorry but Bill trying to be a better person is good for his soul, bad for the Patriots.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Early winners were defensive teams. Brady and Belichick played by the same mantra. Intensity of approach. I guarantee they disagree on more than a thing or two but they respect each other on a pretty deep level.
Brady learned a ton from BB. And was put in positions to succeed by him. It took Brady many years to become the guy he’s remembered as.
Brady saw that Bill couldn’t evolve further and left because he knew he was right. He was right about talented pass catchers being important. Somehow in all of his years of football, he still doesn’t really understand or appreciate wide receivers. He understands that these guys have talent but he’s got to have like colorblind equivalent grading understanding of wide receivers talent. Matt Waldman or Harmon could have hit every other pick the pats used on wide receivers . I don’t think that’s hyperbole.
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