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Saints have a lot of free agents (1 Viewer)

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Brees, Nicks, Colston, Meachem. I guess they franchise Brees, I don't see how they afford Nicks, and Colston as well. I think its terrible if they do franchise Brees, he should make Brady, Manning, money. Would be nice if the Redskins backed up the Brink's truck at his house.

 
Brees, Nicks, Colston, Meachem. I guess they franchise Brees, I don't see how they afford Nicks, and Colston as well. I think its terrible if they do franchise Brees, he should make Brady, Manning, money. Would be nice if the Redskins backed up the Brink's truck at his house.
Colston is as good as gone. He will get #1 WR money that he just can't get in NO.I think Meachem resigns. Think Donte Stallworth wishes he'd stayed?Brees agent has said Drew will not sign off on the Franchise tag. That could just be a ploy, but if I were the Saints management I wouldn't play chicken with this particular player situation.The Saints, given the many free agent holes they're likely to have, can ill afford to have Drew Brees sitting out in a contract dispute. They'll break the bank for him and hope that they can fill in around him.They didn't necessarily miss their chance, as they pocketed a Superbowl ring with this basic cast. But they have missed out on a second one. Several middling 10-6 / 9-7 seasons lie ahead.
 
The one thing the Saints have going for them is that they would have no trouble landing "B" level free agents to be part of their offense. Barring a Brees holdout, it wouldn't be hard to attract a guy like Mario Manningham to play in this offense with half his games indoors.

 
Brees, Nicks, Colston, Meachem. I guess they franchise Brees, I don't see how they afford Nicks, and Colston as well. I think its terrible if they do franchise Brees, he should make Brady, Manning, money. Would be nice if the Redskins backed up the Brink's truck at his house.
Colston is as good as gone. He will get #1 WR money that he just can't get in NO.I think Meachem resigns. Think Donte Stallworth wishes he'd stayed?
I think the opposite. With the # of knee surgeries he's had, I see Colston's market less than what you'd think. As a result, I see Saints re-signing the superior Colston rather than Meachem)Meachem is easily replaceable (by Dev Henderson/Adrian Arrington or another cheap option)
 
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Brees, Nicks, Colston, Meachem. I guess they franchise Brees, I don't see how they afford Nicks, and Colston as well. I think its terrible if they do franchise Brees, he should make Brady, Manning, money. Would be nice if the Redskins backed up the Brink's truck at his house.
Forgot about Tracy Porter.
 
How do teams catch up to the class of the division, take their players. You should see Atlanta, Carolina and Tampa Bay going hard at the New Orleans FA's.

 
Brees, Nicks, Colston, Meachem. I guess they franchise Brees, I don't see how they afford Nicks, and Colston as well. I think its terrible if they do franchise Brees, he should make Brady, Manning, money. Would be nice if the Redskins backed up the Brink's truck at his house.
Colston is as good as gone. He will get #1 WR money that he just can't get in NO.I think Meachem resigns. Think Donte Stallworth wishes he'd stayed?
I think the opposite. With the # of knee surgeries he's had, I see Colston's market less than what you'd think. As a result, I see Saints re-signing the superior Colston rather than Meachem)Meachem is easily replaceable (by Dev Henderson/Adrian Arrington or another cheap option)
Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to see Colston stay. I think he'd be happier and in a much better position to succeed. I just can't help but imagine that some scrub team under the cap like the Bears or the Bucs wouldn't throw him #1 receiver money.
 
I think Brees stays obviously, and either Colston or Nicks stays. If Nicks stays, it is more likely that Meachem does as well, if Nicks goes it is more likely that Colston will stay. I am hard pressed to imagine other teams throwing a ton of money and a long term deal at a guy like Colston with all his knee woes.

Plus with receivers like Vincent Jackson, DeSean Jackson, Dwayne Bowe, Wes Welker, Brandon Lloyd, Stevie Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Pierre Garcon, Braylon Edwards, Early Doucet, Jerome Simpson, Braylon Edwards, Mario Manningham, Laurent Robinson and others...that monster payday may not be out there for Colston.

I can't say the same for Carl Nicks though, he is clearly the top guy in his free agent class and all of 27 years old.

 
I think Brees stays obviously, and either Colston or Nicks stays. If Nicks stays, it is more likely that Meachem does as well, if Nicks goes it is more likely that Colston will stay. I am hard pressed to imagine other teams throwing a ton of money and a long term deal at a guy like Colston with all his knee woes.
There's a long list of players that got #1 money that shouldn't have. Plenty of evidence exists that teams don't necessarily make the wisest money decisions.My only concern with Meachem is that he may want to go somewhere that he's "The Man", like Washington for example. If it's similar money, he may jump when a coach sings him a song about being the "go-to" guy.I hate taking the side of Colston leaving, as he's in the perfect fit for him as a player. He's also the perfect AndreJohnsonMiniMe this offense needs. But he's got those numbers that standout for a team like the Rams that might want to "make a splash". There are a lot of bad teams with a ton of cash and no real #1 WR. That crazy Pakistani guy down in Jacksonville might look for a way to woo the fans he's insulted. "Hey look, I spent a lot of money on this 1,000 yard All-Pro WR!! Love me!!"If it comes down to money, Colston leaves. I'm hoping he takes a minute to really consider if a few extra dollars is worth leaving the perfect situation for him.
 
Sometimes going for the big $ ends up being less than staying. Imagine Jax. #1, stinking it up with Blaine Gabbert for 2 years and then geting cut for being to costly for so little production, then outta the league.Peerless Price always comes to mind. He put up a big year his contract season (with Beldsoe at the helm in BUF), took the big $ in ATL and stunk wiht Vick, got cut, tried to get back with Buffalo. Disappeared.
 
I think Brees stays obviously, and either Colston or Nicks stays. If Nicks stays, it is more likely that Meachem does as well, if Nicks goes it is more likely that Colston will stay. I am hard pressed to imagine other teams throwing a ton of money and a long term deal at a guy like Colston with all his knee woes.
There's a long list of players that got #1 money that shouldn't have. Plenty of evidence exists that teams don't necessarily make the wisest money decisions.My only concern with Meachem is that he may want to go somewhere that he's "The Man", like Washington for example. If it's similar money, he may jump when a coach sings him a song about being the "go-to" guy.I hate taking the side of Colston leaving, as he's in the perfect fit for him as a player. He's also the perfect AndreJohnsonMiniMe this offense needs. But he's got those numbers that standout for a team like the Rams that might want to "make a splash". There are a lot of bad teams with a ton of cash and no real #1 WR. That crazy Pakistani guy down in Jacksonville might look for a way to woo the fans he's insulted. "Hey look, I spent a lot of money on this 1,000 yard All-Pro WR!! Love me!!"If it comes down to money, Colston leaves. I'm hoping he takes a minute to really consider if a few extra dollars is worth leaving the perfect situation for him.
I am hard pressed to imagine Colston getting the kind of money on the open market that will prevent New Orleans from coming close.Looking at the names out there, the market is just not going to be one where a guy like Colston (who does have a few things going against him) will cash in the way he may want to. The only scenario where I might see him going somewhere else for equal money is a trip back east to the Jets who need a receiver...Colston played on the field the Jets used to practice.Who knows at this point.
 
Sometimes going for the big $ ends up being less than staying. Imagine Jax. #1, stinking it up with Blaine Gabbert for 2 years and then geting cut for being to costly for so little production, then outta the league.Peerless Price always comes to mind. He put up a big year his contract season (with Beldsoe at the helm in BUF), took the big $ in ATL and stunk wiht Vick, got cut, tried to get back with Buffalo. Disappeared.
Back in 1993, several people made a similar argument about Reggie White's odd decision to leave the Eagles and sign with the Packers. It made no sense at the time. The Eagles seemed like a contender. The Packers seemed like they were going nowhere. Turns out he helped lead the Packers to 2 Super Bowls, and 1 ring.
 
Bres makes very wr better. Saints have a great front office! Fully confident I them resigning brees and finding a viable alternative for colston and nicks

 
I would hope New Orleans just signs Brees to big time $$$ and lock him up for the rest of his career and use the franchise tag on Nicks or Colston. Nicks and Brees, though, are the key players to sign for the next several years.

 
There is absolutely no chance Brees is gone, just FWIW. He'll be paid Brady/Peyton money, and deservedly so. Without Brees the team would likely be a top 10 pick team

But the thought of the 49ers possibly with Brees makes me hard as steel

 
Brees, Nicks, Colston, Meachem. I guess they franchise Brees, I don't see how they afford Nicks, and Colston as well. I think its terrible if they do franchise Brees, he should make Brady, Manning, money. Would be nice if the Redskins backed up the Brink's truck at his house.
Loomis will keep this team solid. Colston and Nicks are a priority after Brees. If a deal doesnt get done I will be shocked.
 
Bres makes very wr better. Saints have a great front office! Fully confident I them resigning brees and finding a viable alternative for colston and nicks
Nicks would be very difficult to replace and is a MUST re-sign. The interior O-Line is the most important part of this O after Brees.
 
You call 3 FA's "a lot" of free agents?! Brees isnt going anywhere. Yes, losing Nicks, Colston, and Meachem wouldnt be good but I dont think these 3 players are a huge loss to this team. Nicks is definitely the most important, IMO.

I also am surprised by people saying Colston wont get paid by another team and his knee is worrisome. It seems to me most of his recent injuries havent involved a knee, one of which being the collarbone this year.

 
Could be the start of the decline for this team if they lose a couple of these key guys.

The window for the Saints has been the last 3-4 years.

 
I also am surprised by people saying Colston wont get paid by another team and his knee is worrisome. It seems to me most of his recent injuries havent involved a knee, one of which being the collarbone this year.
5 known knee surgeriesAt 29, It'd be foolish IMO to give big $$ to a WR like that does not gain great separation. Not disputing his #s, but I'd rather give a younger, healthier WR less money.
 
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I also am surprised by people saying Colston wont get paid by another team and his knee is worrisome. It seems to me most of his recent injuries havent involved a knee, one of which being the collarbone this year.
5 known knee surgeriesAt 29, It'd be foolish IMO to give big $$ to a WR like that does not gain great separation. Not disputing his #s, but I'd rather give a younger, healthier WR less money.
When was the last knee surgery?Also, I didnt know he was 29. I figured his rookie "TE" year was about 2006 or 2007 which would make him 26 or 27.
 
Could be the start of the decline for this team if they lose a couple of these key guys.The window for the Saints has been the last 3-4 years.
WRs are easily replaceable. Nicks is the key, assuming Brees is back of course. And yes, he'll get an assload of money, and well deserved.
 
http://profootballta...nts-a-discount/

Article about how Colston has said he will not take a home town discount, FWIW.
Sometimes going for the big $ ends up being less than staying. Imagine Jax. #1, stinking it up with Blaine Gabbert for 2 years and then geting cut for being to costly for so little production, then outta the league.Peerless Price always comes to mind. He put up a big year his contract season (with Beldsoe at the helm in BUF), took the big $ in ATL and stunk wiht Vick, got cut, tried to get back with Buffalo. Disappeared.
Back in 1993, several people made a similar argument about Reggie White's odd decision to leave the Eagles and sign with the Packers. It made no sense at the time. The Eagles seemed like a contender. The Packers seemed like they were going nowhere. Turns out he helped lead the Packers to 2 Super Bowls, and 1 ring.
God told him to play for the Packers. He was very clear about that.
 
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I also am surprised by people saying Colston wont get paid by another team and his knee is worrisome. It seems to me most of his recent injuries havent involved a knee, one of which being the collarbone this year.
5 known knee surgeriesAt 29, It'd be foolish IMO to give big $$ to a WR like that does not gain great separation. Not disputing his #s, but I'd rather give a younger, healthier WR less money.
When was the last knee surgery?Also, I didnt know he was 29. I figured his rookie "TE" year was about 2006 or 2007 which would make him 26 or 27.
He is 28 now, he will turn 29 right before training camp.Also, IMHO, I think Colston is a WR1. He isn't Peerless Price. He is clearly the Saints best WR and has been since day 1. He has gotten nicked up here and there, but when healthy, he has produced well above the Meachems (don't forget he was a 1st rounder) and Hendersons. Before Graham broke out, Colston was absolutely the defenses focus, i.e. would be the guy covered by the best CB. That and Brees of course is one of the reasons Meachem/Henderson would have huge games here and there. Remember Meachem having that breakout in 2009 (35-512-7TDs in last 8 games, before meaningless week 17)? If Meachem had left as a FA then, that would have been more like Price in that his stats in the second half of his second season would have made him look like a potential WR1.
 
A "lot" of free agents? I wouldn't go that far.

Brees, Colston, Meachem, Nicks, Tracy Porter, Aubrayo Franklin, Shaun Rogers are the significant guys, with a few minor role players on RFA status.

I would expect the Saints will keep Brees and Nicks with a little creative bookkeeping. Nicks is probably a little overrated but they will want to keep the o-line together. Porter is going to draw a lot of attention and will probably get paid way too much by some desperate team with a bad secondary.

That leaves you with the option to keep one of Colston or Meachem, and similarly one of the DT's. I would imagine they can keep Meachem fairly cheap and probably Franklin. That's being conservative - everybody said they had a "lot" of free agents last year and they ended up keeping everybody significant except Jonathan Goodwin, with enough left over to sign Sproles and three mid-level FA's (Kasay, Franklin, Rogers).

They will probably lose 2-3 guys but nothing that bumps them out of contention. There are some nice players in the pipeline - I could see Adrian Arrington easily stepping into a key WR role and they already have Porter's replacement in Patrick Robinson.

 
Sometimes going for the big $ ends up being less than staying. Imagine Jax. #1, stinking it up with Blaine Gabbert for 2 years and then geting cut for being to costly for so little production, then outta the league.Peerless Price always comes to mind. He put up a big year his contract season (with Beldsoe at the helm in BUF), took the big $ in ATL and stunk wiht Vick, got cut, tried to get back with Buffalo. Disappeared.
Back in 1993, several people made a similar argument about Reggie White's odd decision to leave the Eagles and sign with the Packers. It made no sense at the time. The Eagles seemed like a contender. The Packers seemed like they were going nowhere. Turns out he helped lead the Packers to 2 Super Bowls, and 1 ring.
Not really the same.When you're the best player of all time at one of the game's most critical positions, teams are contenders (or not) BECAUSE you're on them. The Eagles were automatically not a contender once Reggie jumped ship, just as the Pack were automatically contenders. The people who argued otherwise didn't comprehend the impact. Would have been like a prime LT changing teams. Can't really compare it to any other situation, since aside from Reggie and LT, no player in NFL history has had nearly as much impact on the overall quality of his team.
 
Saints' cap situation not that direBy Pat YasinskasIt’s been a rough couple days for fans of the New Orleans Saints. New Orleans was eliminated from the playoffs by San Francisco on Saturday and the gloom is going to linger for a bit. But I’ve got a little news that might help it begin to lift. New Orleans’ salary-cap situation for 2012 isn’t quite as bad as early reports made it sound. League-wide cap figures had the Saints listed with about $106 million already committed toward the 2012 salary cap. It turns out that number is about $12 million too high. That’s because the figure was including a charge of almost $12 million for quarterback Drew Brees. But 2012 was voided out of Brees’ contract, so the Saints are, for the moment, sitting at about $94 million. That will change and you can add that $12 million — and then some — right back onto the Saints’ total. They almost certainly will sign Brees to a new contract. I just looked at the cap figures for the NFL’s top quarterbacks and it is likely Brees’ new deal will give him a cap figure somewhere around $15 million for 2012, unless the Saints really get creative in spreading out his money. Still, that would only put the Saints up to around $109 million. That would leave them some room to re-sign some other key players and they have several. Receiver Marques Colston, guard Carl Nicks, receiver Robert Meachem, defensive tackle Aubrayo Franklin, cornerback Tracy Porter, defensive tackle Shaun Rogers and linebacker Jo-Lonn Dunbar are among those players not under contract for 2012. Here’s the complete list of players not under contract for 2012 for the Saints and the rest of the NFC South teams. Anyway, the bottom line is the Saints aren’t as bad off as we thought in terms of the salary cap. Brees undoubtedly will eat up a good chunk of that, but there still will be some room to work with. Keeping Nicks and Colston probably would get the Saints pretty close to the cap, but they also could restructure some existing contracts or release players to create more room.
 
Colston Potential Landing Spots (teams with a need at WR):

* Washington

* St. Louis

* Jacksonville

* New England

* Houston

 
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I also am surprised by people saying Colston wont get paid by another team and his knee is worrisome. It seems to me most of his recent injuries havent involved a knee, one of which being the collarbone this year.
5 known knee surgeriesAt 29, It'd be foolish IMO to give big $$ to a WR like that does not gain great separation. Not disputing his #s, but I'd rather give a younger, healthier WR less money.
When was the last knee surgery?Also, I didnt know he was 29. I figured his rookie "TE" year was about 2006 or 2007 which would make him 26 or 27.
He had microfracture surgery last offseason I believe.I believe he's had it done to both knees -- which does make his numbers impressive.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/12/marques-colston-recovering-from-another-microfracture-surgery/Team would be foolish to give him a big deal. (FWIW I don't see him breaking 1000 yards outside NO) I think he'll join the long list of failed late career free agent WR signings.When I say late career, I don't expect to see Colston in the league in 3-4 years if he bolts NO.
 
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Brees, Nicks, Colston, Meachem. I guess they franchise Brees, I don't see how they afford Nicks, and Colston as well. I think its terrible if they do franchise Brees, he should make Brady, Manning, money. Would be nice if the Redskins backed up the Brink's truck at his house.
Colston is as good as gone. He will get #1 WR money that he just can't get in NO.I think Meachem resigns. Think Donte Stallworth wishes he'd stayed?
I think the opposite. With the # of knee surgeries he's had, I see Colston's market less than what you'd think. As a result, I see Saints re-signing the superior Colston rather than Meachem)Meachem is easily replaceable (by Dev Henderson/Adrian Arrington or another cheap option)
Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to see Colston stay. I think he'd be happier and in a much better position to succeed. I just can't help but imagine that some scrub team under the cap like the Bears or the Bucs wouldn't throw him #1 receiver money.
I think not
 
As a Saints fan, I love Colston because I think he is a solid kid who plays hard. He is not a # 1. He succeeds because he knows what route to run, goes over the middle, is 6'4" and can catch the deadly accurate passes Brees throws. He is a system receiver. Meecham and Henderson are far better athletes , they just dont have the smarts and toughness of Colston. He has the trust of his Quarterback. Stick him on most other teams and his numbers drop. I think if he played for the Colts(with a healthy Peyton) or someone like that, he would produce. But for the most part a huge drop-off would occur.

I think he stays in NO and Brees will lobby the team on his behalf.

 
Colston is an indoor cat. He has all his meals fed to him.. milk delivered in a nice saucer. I would hate to see how he would fare in a place like Kansas City or Jacksonville where he would have to fight for his meals.

 
The market will be defined a lot better fairly soon.

The Saints should be trying like hell right now to get a deal done with Brees so they can franchise Nicks and then re-sign Colston.

Porter will probably go as will Meachem, but that's ok, they will be able to fill the holes left by both players.

 
Colston is an indoor cat. He has all his meals fed to him.. milk delivered in a nice saucer. I would hate to see how he would fare in a place like Kansas City or Jacksonville where he would have to fight for his meals.
Disagree. Colston is not some marginal talent. He would get his numbers with even an average QB because he is such a safe big target. He's big enough to catch jump balls and box people out and once he has the ball he can flat run over DB's.Guy is a quarterback's dream. If not for the Saints having so many great skill players he would be putting up monster numbers every year.
 
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As for the Saints situation, they are at 95 million right now and could probably clear another 15 million by shedding some dead weight on defense. Even without doing that, they should be able to get Brees+Nicks+Colston and still be just under the 120 million cap.

 
I think if Meachem and/or Colston leave via FA, that Lance Moore would receive a considerable bump in FF
I'd say this is doubtful. He's a good player, but he's not capable of putting up any kind of numbers unless there are better players to draw defense's attention. If Colston leaves, I'd expect NO to make a big run at Vincent Jackson or go for a stop-gap player like Wayne. Meachem is a role player at this point and NO would probably rely on Henderson/Arrington to make up for his loss, though seeing DeSean Jackson in NO would be something if NO wants to get another field stretcher. Moore will never be more than a low range WR2.
 
The Super Bowl is in New Orleans next year so I believe they do whatever it takes to win this year.

 

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