Saints RB Bush Likely To Hold-Out Of Camp? (1 Viewer)

[datonn]

From the Footballguys News Blogger:

Mike Ornstein, the marketing agent for New Orleans Saints running back Reggie Bush, said recently that his client is unlikely to agree to terms with the team prior to the opening of Training Camp on July 27. "Do we feel like he'll be there at the start (of Training Camp)?" Ornstein said. "I'm not sure where we are right now. I'd say probably not, at this stage."

Source: http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll...SPORTS/60719024

 

[MLBrandow]

significant news, although I always like to remain optimistic until camp starts, then I begin my speculations of prolonged holdouts and how they affect drafts/production.

Anyone think he could push into the regular season?

Bump up Deuce?

Or might this be further reason for NO holding onto Bennett? (Hadn't thought of holdout as a mitigating factor for NO/STL trade)

 

[Dancing Bear]

I've been saying this for month's now on various threads here.

Reggie Bush was not satisfied with the #1 money that Houston was offering him, and they moved on to Mario Williams whom they signed before the draft!

IMHO, Bush will not settle for the #2 money that New Orleans will be offering, and Benson will not bend very much.

To me there is a big chance that Bush sits for much of the start of the season; similar to Bryant McKinnie let's say. Let's hope that he realizes that he is literally loosing millions by his demands ... and that he comes to his senses sooner rather than later.

 

[Payne]

The longer this happens, the more I like Deuce this year.

He needs to learn a playbook, pass blocking, etc.

Same thing happened last year with Jones / Benson.

 

[videoguy505]

NFL Live on ESPN reported Bush wants more than #1 got. I could see this easily going a couple of weeks into camp, maybe as long as Cedric Benson's went.

NO is definitely not dealing Michael Bennett anytime soon. He's their only known RB at this point.

 

[noneother]

I would think bush needs a contract like Ricky got from the saints.. yah, didn't work so good for him.... but an heavy incentive contract should allow bush to make equal (whatever that is) to the #1, why? i dunno, cause he won't hit the incentives.. my math, he is better than the first pick, BUT, he was the second. I know nothin about rookie contracts, are the only three year? or is that the NBA.. if he can go longer...

I would think, he wants to "give" to the team and the area, and make a name for himself, it would suit his best interests to look at a 5+ year deal, with accellerators that make him stupid dollars in year 3+ should his first two be everything he thinks it can... i would think his agent would accept no less gauranteed money than what Mario got.. that would be the sticking point.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Don't top picks that have early TC dates normally miss the first week or so?

 

[WhoDat]

Historically, the Saints are one of the league's cheapest teams. They are not frugal nor are they thrifty. They are cheap. This is going to ugly, opinion, and good thing Bush launched such a feel good PR campaign after the draft.

Reggie Bush was not satisfied with the #1 money that Houston was offering him, and they moved on to Mario Williams whom they signed before the draft!

I agree. Finances were not the only reason Houston passed but signability played a LARGE part in that decision.

I would think bush needs a contract like Ricky got from the saints.. yah, didn't work so good for him.... but an heavy incentive contract should allow bush to make equal (whatever that is) to the #1, why? i dunno, cause he won't hit the incentives.. my math, he is better than the first pick, BUT, he was the second. I know nothin about rookie contracts, are the only three year? or is that the NBA.. if he can go longer...

My understanding is that Bush wants QB money. He is seeking a deal larger than what A. Smith got last season. I understand your line of thought and think all player contracts should be structured as such but that is another discussion. There is no way Bush; his camp and agent are putting ink an a play for pay contract, though, given the climate for doing business. They, as it is said, what to get paid and get theirs.

 

[wannabee]

Historically, the Saints are one of the league's cheapest teams. They are not frugal nor are they thrifty. They are cheap. This is going to ugly, opinion, and good thing Bush launched such a feel good PR campaign after the draft.

Reggie Bush was not satisfied with the #1 money that Houston was offering him, and they moved on to Mario Williams whom they signed before the draft!

I agree. Finances were not the only reason Houston passed but signability played a LARGE part in that decision.

I would think bush needs a contract like Ricky got from the saints.. yah, didn't work so good for him.... but an heavy incentive contract should allow bush to make equal (whatever that is) to the #1, why? i dunno, cause he won't hit the incentives.. my math, he is better than the first pick, BUT, he was the second. I know nothin about rookie contracts, are the only three year? or is that the NBA.. if he can go longer...

My understanding is that Bush wants QB money. He is seeking a deal larger than what A. Smith got last season. I understand your line of thought and think all player contracts should be structured as such but that is another discussion. There is no way Bush; his camp and agent are putting ink an a play for pay contract, though, given the climate for doing business. They, as it is said, what to get paid and get theirs.

very For those that do not know, WhoDat has a very good understanding of the Saints and this issue.

 

[Loomba]

Historically, the Saints are one of the league's cheapest teams. They are not frugal nor are they thrifty. They are cheap. This is going to ugly, opinion, and good thing Bush launched such a feel good PR campaign after the draft.

Reggie Bush was not satisfied with the #1 money that Houston was offering him, and they moved on to Mario Williams whom they signed before the draft!

I agree. Finances were not the only reason Houston passed but signability played a LARGE part in that decision.

I would think bush needs a contract like Ricky got from the saints.. yah, didn't work so good for him.... but an heavy incentive contract should allow bush to make equal (whatever that is) to the #1, why? i dunno, cause he won't hit the incentives.. my math, he is better than the first pick, BUT, he was the second. I know nothin about rookie contracts, are the only three year? or is that the NBA.. if he can go longer...

My understanding is that Bush wants QB money. He is seeking a deal larger than what A. Smith got last season. I understand your line of thought and think all player contracts should be structured as such but that is another discussion. There is no way Bush; his camp and agent are putting ink an a play for pay contract, though, given the climate for doing business. They, as it is said, what to get paid and get theirs.

You make an interesting point about his PR campaign. I had originally thought it was completely about Bush trying to make a good first impression in Nawlins, particularly after some of the negative press that he experienced around the draft (the crap about the house and his parents etc.).But it may have been some good positioning in that he gets the fans to love him which puts pressure on the team to sign him for what he wants. And with the team trying to help that city get back to normal, and being a focal point for the community, he may have a little leverage.

However, this could easily backfire on Bush if the team plays it right. Any leverage he may have can be lost in about 5 minutes. I am still expecting him to sign before camp -- I think he said he did not want to miss any TC time several times, so he could look bad if he appears greedy -- especially in a city that is suffering like it is.

Suggestion to Bush: Ask for the extra money and tell the press that $1 million of his signing bonus is going to charities to rebuild the city. That would put the team's #### in a vice (at least until the team comes out and says their first rounder is using the devastation and people's suffering for personal gain).

yuck

 

[sholditch]

Weren't there a lot of rookie camp holdouts last year? I remember Benson was the worst, but there was also Ronnie Brown, Roddy White, and maybe Matt Jones? I think a holdout for some period of camp is pretty much inevitable for Bush, but I don't know if I would necessarily bump Deuce up that much.

 

[Sidewinder]

Historically, the Saints are one of the league's cheapest teams. They are not frugal nor are they thrifty. They are cheap. ...

Historically one of the cheapest teams ? That is simply not the case if you are talking recent history, say the past 5 or 6 years. And beyond that timeframe, it's simply not a valid relevant measue.

 

[WhoDat]

Historically, the Saints are one of the league's cheapest teams.  They are not frugal nor are they thrifty.  They are cheap. 

...

Historically one of the cheapest teams ? That is simply not the case if you are talking recent history, say the past 5 or 6 years. And beyond that timeframe, it's simply not a valid relevant measue.

I worked for them and with them two different times. Given that was in contract/player management each time and still have a relative working on the football side of the house, I feel what I wrote was highly accurate and I stand by it.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

NFL Live on ESPN reported Bush wants more than #1 got. I could see this easily going a couple of weeks into camp, maybe as long as Cedric Benson's went.

NO is definitely not dealing Michael Bennett anytime soon. He's their only known RB at this point.

Sleeper alert!

 

[sholditch]

NFL Live on ESPN reported Bush wants more than #1 got.  I could see this easily going a couple of weeks into camp, maybe as long as Cedric Benson's went. 

NO is definitely not dealing Michael Bennett anytime soon.  He's their only known RB at this point.

Sleeper alert!

you guys do remember that they have Deuce right (and that Micheal Bennett sux?)

 

[rascal]

I already think Bush is vastly overrated for this years projections and Deuce is underrated. This will only help confirm my thoughts and unfortunately bring everybody else's close to mine thus preventing me from getting Deuce dirt cheap and then laughing later when I roll to victory.

 

[LHUCKS]

Bush should have been the #1 player selected so he deserves to get paid like the #1 selected.

Go get that money Reggie!

 

[rascal]

Based on the average predicted stats by Dodds and the four others it comes to 171 fantasy points. That would rank Bush #24 (for rookies) since 1990.

 

[diesel7982]

NFL Live on ESPN reported Bush wants more than #1 got.  I could see this easily going a couple of weeks into camp, maybe as long as Cedric Benson's went. 

NO is definitely not dealing Michael Bennett anytime soon.  He's their only known RB at this point.

Sleeper alert!

you guys do remember that they have Deuce right (and that Micheal Bennett sux?)

You do remember Deuce is less than 1 yr recovered from a torn ACL...right?

 

[rascal]

Scheffter said he was 85% on June 30th BTW.

 

[Sidewinder]

Historically, the Saints are one of the league's cheapest teams. They are not frugal nor are they thrifty. They are cheap.

...

Historically one of the cheapest teams ? That is simply not the case if you are talking recent history, say the past 5 or 6 years. And beyond that timeframe, it's simply not a valid relevant measue.

I worked for them and with them two different times. Given that was in contract/player management each time and still have a relative working on the football side of the house, I feel what I wrote was highly accurate and I stand by it.

If you have inside information, fair enough. I've followed the franchise from it's infancy and been a long-time season ticket holder. From the outside looking in, it appears that over the past several years, they have not had a problem spending money on new contract extensions (Brooks, Horn, Deuce) nor had a problem putting the cash into FA's. Granted, they've missed on numerous occasions on whom they put the money into, but it does seem that they have been willing to spend.

 

[T Man]

Bush should have been the #1 player selected so he deserves to get paid like the #1 selected.

Go get that money Reggie!

But he was #2. So #2 money is what he gets.I am sure that many players think they should have gone higher. Take Justice. Should he have held out to get #16 money since many thought he should have gone at #16. Does he deserve to be paid like the #16? NO.

The facts are that Bush was selected #2. If he wanted #1 money he should have bellied up to the table with the Texans. If he wanted a better owner, he should have buddied up more to the Texans. HeE didn't.

 

[LHUCKS]

Bush should have been the #1 player selected so he deserves to get paid like the #1 selected.

Go get that money Reggie!

But he was #2. So #2 money is what he gets.

XWe'll see about that.

 

[diesel7982]

Scheffter said he was 85% on June 30th BTW.

How does Adam Scheffter know at what % Deuce's knee is?85% of what? How is that judged?

Meaningless number.

 

[diesel7982]

Bush should have been the #1 player selected so he deserves to get paid like the #1 selected.

Go get that money Reggie!

But he was #2. So #2 money is what he gets.

XWe'll see about that.

I hope this is schtick.

 

[mightyeskimo]

Bush should have been the #1 player selected so he deserves to get paid like the #1 selected.

Go get that money Reggie!

But he was #2. So #2 money is what he gets.

XWe'll see about that.

I hope this is schtick.

Yeah, there should be a guy wearing a red and white striped shirt playing Reggie off on a piano! "Gimme my money mammie! My dear old mammie!"

 

[Sidewinder]

...

But he was #2. So #2 money is what he gets.

...

Problem with that is, the precedent has been set in the past where lower picks have received (or at least it appears so from the numbers I could compile) more $$ than picks above them. Something I put together several weeks ago in another forum:

Here are the cases going back to 2000 where the overall #1's contract is not clearly better than the #2, #3, and/or #4 overalls:

2000

1.01 - Courtney Brown - 6 years, up to $45 million ($10.9 million signing bonus)

1.02 - Lavar Arrington - 6 years, up to $50 million ($10.75 million signing bonus)

1.03 - Chris Samuels - 6 years, up to $47 million ($10 million signing bonus)

2003

1.01 - Carson Palmer - 7 years (voidable to 6), $49 million ($10.01 million in total bonuses)

1.04 - Dewayne Robertson - 7 years, up to $54 million ($13 million in total bonuses)

2004

1.01 - Eli Manning - 6 years, up to $54 million ($20 million in bonuses)

1.02 - Robert Gallery - 7 years, up to $60 million ($18.5 million in bonuses)

1.03 - Larry Fitzgerald - 6 years, up to $60 million ($20 million in bonuses)

Also, wanted to add 2005, where the Alex Smith contract was tops, but the 3rd and 4th picks got deals worth more than the #2:

2005

1.02 - Ronnie Brown - 5 years, $33.67 million ($19.58 million guaranteed)

1.03 - Braylon Edwards - 5 years, up to $40 million ($18 million guaranteed)

1.04 - Cedric Benson - 5 years, $35 million ($18 million guaranteed)

**All data from: Pro Football Weekly

 

[rascal]

Scheffter said he was 85% on June 30th BTW.

How does Adam Scheffter know at what % Deuce's knee is?85% of what? How is that judged?

Meaningless number.

I'm guessing that's what Deuce and/or the coaches said.

 

[blkgolf23]

Bush should have been the #1 player selected so he deserves to get paid like the #1 selected.

Go get that money Reggie!

 

[T Man]

...

But he was #2.  So #2 money is what he gets.

...

Problem with that is, the precedent has been set in the past where lower picks have received (or at least it appears so from the numbers I could compile) more $$ than picks above them. Something I put together several weeks ago in another forum:

Here are the cases going back to 2000 where the overall #1's contract is not clearly better than the #2, #3, and/or #4 overalls:

2000

1.01 - Courtney Brown - 6 years, up to $45 million ($10.9 million signing bonus)

1.02 - Lavar Arrington - 6 years, up to $50 million ($10.75 million signing bonus)

1.03 - Chris Samuels - 6 years, up to $47 million ($10 million signing bonus)

2003

1.01 - Carson Palmer - 7 years (voidable to 6), $49 million ($10.01 million in total bonuses)

1.04 - Dewayne Robertson - 7 years, up to $54 million ($13 million in total bonuses)

2004

1.01 - Eli Manning - 6 years, up to $54 million ($20 million in bonuses)

1.02 - Robert Gallery - 7 years, up to $60 million ($18.5 million in bonuses)

1.03 - Larry Fitzgerald - 6 years, up to $60 million ($20 million in bonuses)

Also, wanted to add 2005, where the Alex Smith contract was tops, but the 3rd and 4th picks got deals worth more than the #2:

2005

1.02 - Ronnie Brown - 5 years, $33.67 million ($19.58 million guaranteed)

1.03 - Braylon Edwards - 5 years, up to $40 million ($18 million guaranteed)

1.04 - Cedric Benson - 5 years, $35 million ($18 million guaranteed)

**All data from: Pro Football Weekly

Has there been an occassion when a player drafted lower gets a better deal, I am sure ther has been. But without seeing the contracts above, it is difficult to determine if one deal is better then another. Obviously guaranteed money comes into play as does the number of years. Manning pushed for 6 years instead of 7. THe overall money is a bit lower, but not per year and not if you consider he is free a year earlier. I am quite certain his was the best deal that year.

Also, the key words in many deals are the potential worth - i.e. "up to". The escalators and the milestones in each of those deals may be harder to reach. For example, a bonus of $250,000 if the 49ers win the superbowl in 2006 may have not been as realistic as a deal where a player gets a salary increase if he plays in 35% of the teams offensive plays.

But regardless, other then QB's the general rule is that players are slotted. Braylon Edwards did get a great deal last year, and that will cause problems.

Now, if I were the Saints, I would offer the same as Ronnie Brown plus up to 20% increase. THe NFLPA says it wants each player to get a 20% increase over the player in the same slot last year. If that is the case, then it is still less then Mario's contract. And the Saints could take the highground saying that they are offfering the bump the NFLPA has asked for and Bush still wants more.

 

[noneother]

really? 20% more than the player from the year before?? crap, sounds like alot....

 

[ruelvis]

i smell #2 base money with incentive clauses out the wazoo giving him the ability to get #1 $$$ +.

 

[diesel7982]

...

But he was #2.  So #2 money is what he gets.

...

Problem with that is, the precedent has been set in the past where lower picks have received (or at least it appears so from the numbers I could compile) more $$ than picks above them. Something I put together several weeks ago in another forum:

Here are the cases going back to 2000 where the overall #1's contract is not clearly better than the #2, #3, and/or #4 overalls:

2000

1.01 - Courtney Brown - 6 years, up to $45 million ($10.9 million signing bonus)

1.02 - Lavar Arrington - 6 years, up to $50 million ($10.75 million signing bonus)

1.03 - Chris Samuels - 6 years, up to $47 million ($10 million signing bonus)

2003

1.01 - Carson Palmer - 7 years (voidable to 6), $49 million ($10.01 million in total bonuses)

1.04 - Dewayne Robertson - 7 years, up to $54 million ($13 million in total bonuses)

2004

1.01 - Eli Manning - 6 years, up to $54 million ($20 million in bonuses)

1.02 - Robert Gallery - 7 years, up to $60 million ($18.5 million in bonuses)

1.03 - Larry Fitzgerald - 6 years, up to $60 million ($20 million in bonuses)

Also, wanted to add 2005, where the Alex Smith contract was tops, but the 3rd and 4th picks got deals worth more than the #2:

2005

1.02 - Ronnie Brown - 5 years, $33.67 million ($19.58 million guaranteed)

1.03 - Braylon Edwards - 5 years, up to $40 million ($18 million guaranteed)

1.04 - Cedric Benson - 5 years, $35 million ($18 million guaranteed)

**All data from: Pro Football Weekly

Has there been an occassion when a player drafted lower gets a better deal, I am sure ther has been. But without seeing the contracts above, it is difficult to determine if one deal is better then another. Obviously guaranteed money comes into play as does the number of years. Manning pushed for 6 years instead of 7. THe overall money is a bit lower, but not per year and not if you consider he is free a year earlier. I am quite certain his was the best deal that year.

Also, the key words in many deals are the potential worth - i.e. "up to". The escalators and the milestones in each of those deals may be harder to reach. For example, a bonus of $250,000 if the 49ers win the superbowl in 2006 may have not been as realistic as a deal where a player gets a salary increase if he plays in 35% of the teams offensive plays.

But regardless, other then QB's the general rule is that players are slotted. Braylon Edwards did get a great deal last year, and that will cause problems.

Now, if I were the Saints, I would offer the same as Ronnie Brown plus up to 20% increase. THe NFLPA says it wants each player to get a 20% increase over the player in the same slot last year. If that is the case, then it is still less then Mario's contract. And the Saints could take the highground saying that they are offfering the bump the NFLPA has asked for and Bush still wants more.

And yet the rookie pool only increased by 5% over last year...how do you propose they get that extra 20% into a 5% constraint?

 

[T Man]

...

But he was #2.  So #2 money is what he gets.

...

Problem with that is, the precedent has been set in the past where lower picks have received (or at least it appears so from the numbers I could compile) more $$ than picks above them. Something I put together several weeks ago in another forum:

Here are the cases going back to 2000 where the overall #1's contract is not clearly better than the #2, #3, and/or #4 overalls:

2000

1.01 - Courtney Brown - 6 years, up to $45 million ($10.9 million signing bonus)

1.02 - Lavar Arrington - 6 years, up to $50 million ($10.75 million signing bonus)

1.03 - Chris Samuels - 6 years, up to $47 million ($10 million signing bonus)

2003

1.01 - Carson Palmer - 7 years (voidable to 6), $49 million ($10.01 million in total bonuses)

1.04 - Dewayne Robertson - 7 years, up to $54 million ($13 million in total bonuses)

2004

1.01 - Eli Manning - 6 years, up to $54 million ($20 million in bonuses)

1.02 - Robert Gallery - 7 years, up to $60 million ($18.5 million in bonuses)

1.03 - Larry Fitzgerald - 6 years, up to $60 million ($20 million in bonuses)

Also, wanted to add 2005, where the Alex Smith contract was tops, but the 3rd and 4th picks got deals worth more than the #2:

2005

1.02 - Ronnie Brown - 5 years, $33.67 million ($19.58 million guaranteed)

1.03 - Braylon Edwards - 5 years, up to $40 million ($18 million guaranteed)

1.04 - Cedric Benson - 5 years, $35 million ($18 million guaranteed)

**All data from: Pro Football Weekly

Has there been an occassion when a player drafted lower gets a better deal, I am sure ther has been. But without seeing the contracts above, it is difficult to determine if one deal is better then another. Obviously guaranteed money comes into play as does the number of years. Manning pushed for 6 years instead of 7. THe overall money is a bit lower, but not per year and not if you consider he is free a year earlier. I am quite certain his was the best deal that year.

Also, the key words in many deals are the potential worth - i.e. "up to". The escalators and the milestones in each of those deals may be harder to reach. For example, a bonus of $250,000 if the 49ers win the superbowl in 2006 may have not been as realistic as a deal where a player gets a salary increase if he plays in 35% of the teams offensive plays.

But regardless, other then QB's the general rule is that players are slotted. Braylon Edwards did get a great deal last year, and that will cause problems.

Now, if I were the Saints, I would offer the same as Ronnie Brown plus up to 20% increase. THe NFLPA says it wants each player to get a 20% increase over the player in the same slot last year. If that is the case, then it is still less then Mario's contract. And the Saints could take the highground saying that they are offfering the bump the NFLPA has asked for and Bush still wants more.

And yet the rookie pool only increased by 5% over last year...how do you propose they get that extra 20% into a 5% constraint?

Good point! But the teams are increasing the salaries by more then 5% despite the increase in the pool. How? Because the 20% (or the increase) is based upon the life of the contract; and the 5% increase in the pool is for this year's salary cap. Thus, signing bonuses may not do it, but guaranteed money in later years would.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

...

But he was #2. So #2 money is what he gets.

...

Problem with that is, the precedent has been set in the past where lower picks have received (or at least it appears so from the numbers I could compile) more $$ than picks above them. Something I put together several weeks ago in another forum:

Here are the cases going back to 2000 where the overall #1's contract is not clearly better than the #2, #3, and/or #4 overalls:

2000

1.01 - Courtney Brown - 6 years, up to $45 million ($10.9 million signing bonus)

1.02 - Lavar Arrington - 6 years, up to $50 million ($10.75 million signing bonus)

1.03 - Chris Samuels - 6 years, up to $47 million ($10 million signing bonus)

2003

1.01 - Carson Palmer - 7 years (voidable to 6), $49 million ($10.01 million in total bonuses)

1.04 - Dewayne Robertson - 7 years, up to $54 million ($13 million in total bonuses)

2004

1.01 - Eli Manning - 6 years, up to $54 million ($20 million in bonuses)

1.02 - Robert Gallery - 7 years, up to $60 million ($18.5 million in bonuses)

1.03 - Larry Fitzgerald - 6 years, up to $60 million ($20 million in bonuses)

Also, wanted to add 2005, where the Alex Smith contract was tops, but the 3rd and 4th picks got deals worth more than the #2:

2005

1.02 - Ronnie Brown - 5 years, $33.67 million ($19.58 million guaranteed)

1.03 - Braylon Edwards - 5 years, up to $40 million ($18 million guaranteed)

1.04 - Cedric Benson - 5 years, $35 million ($18 million guaranteed)

**All data from: Pro Football Weekly

I just wanted to point out that the phrase "in bonuses" is deceptive.Without knowing what the bonuses are, there's no way of knowing whether or not that is bonus money the player will likely see.

The important numbers are guaranteed bonuses such as signing bonuses.

 

[LHUCKS]

...

But he was #2.  So #2 money is what he gets.

...

Problem with that is, the precedent has been set in the past where lower picks have received (or at least it appears so from the numbers I could compile) more $$ than picks above them. Something I put together several weeks ago in another forum:

Here are the cases going back to 2000 where the overall #1's contract is not clearly better than the #2, #3, and/or #4 overalls:

2000

1.01 - Courtney Brown - 6 years, up to $45 million ($10.9 million signing bonus)

1.02 - Lavar Arrington - 6 years, up to $50 million ($10.75 million signing bonus)

1.03 - Chris Samuels - 6 years, up to $47 million ($10 million signing bonus)

2003

1.01 - Carson Palmer - 7 years (voidable to 6), $49 million ($10.01 million in total bonuses)

1.04 - Dewayne Robertson - 7 years, up to $54 million ($13 million in total bonuses)

2004

1.01 - Eli Manning - 6 years, up to $54 million ($20 million in bonuses)

1.02 - Robert Gallery - 7 years, up to $60 million ($18.5 million in bonuses)

1.03 - Larry Fitzgerald - 6 years, up to $60 million ($20 million in bonuses)

Also, wanted to add 2005, where the Alex Smith contract was tops, but the 3rd and 4th picks got deals worth more than the #2:

2005

1.02 - Ronnie Brown - 5 years, $33.67 million ($19.58 million guaranteed)

1.03 - Braylon Edwards - 5 years, up to $40 million ($18 million guaranteed)

1.04 - Cedric Benson - 5 years, $35 million ($18 million guaranteed)

**All data from: Pro Football Weekly

I just wanted to point out that the phrase "in bonuses" is deceptive.Without knowing what the bonuses are, there's no way of knowing whether or not that is bonus money the player will likely see.

The important numbers are guaranteed bonuses such as signing bonuses.

 

[ATC1]

Scheffter said he was 85% on June 30th BTW.

How does Adam Scheffter know at what % Deuce's knee is?85% of what? How is that judged?

Meaningless number.

85% is the % of strength/power in his injured leg compared to his other leg. NFL and division I school teams have up to date diagnostic machines that give them these accurate numbers. It's to give the coaching staff and media concrete answers to how a player is progressing, and also helps keep track of a players progression throughout the rehab.

 

[Sidewinder]

...

But he was #2. So #2 money is what he gets.

...

Problem with that is, the precedent has been set in the past where lower picks have received (or at least it appears so from the numbers I could compile) more $$ than picks above them. Something I put together several weeks ago in another forum:

Here are the cases going back to 2000 where the overall #1's contract is not clearly better than the #2, #3, and/or #4 overalls:

2000

1.01 - Courtney Brown - 6 years, up to $45 million ($10.9 million signing bonus)

1.02 - Lavar Arrington - 6 years, up to $50 million ($10.75 million signing bonus)

1.03 - Chris Samuels - 6 years, up to $47 million ($10 million signing bonus)

2003

1.01 - Carson Palmer - 7 years (voidable to 6), $49 million ($10.01 million in total bonuses)

1.04 - Dewayne Robertson - 7 years, up to $54 million ($13 million in total bonuses)

2004

1.01 - Eli Manning - 6 years, up to $54 million ($20 million in bonuses)

1.02 - Robert Gallery - 7 years, up to $60 million ($18.5 million in bonuses)

1.03 - Larry Fitzgerald - 6 years, up to $60 million ($20 million in bonuses)

Also, wanted to add 2005, where the Alex Smith contract was tops, but the 3rd and 4th picks got deals worth more than the #2:

2005

1.02 - Ronnie Brown - 5 years, $33.67 million ($19.58 million guaranteed)

1.03 - Braylon Edwards - 5 years, up to $40 million ($18 million guaranteed)

1.04 - Cedric Benson - 5 years, $35 million ($18 million guaranteed)

**All data from: Pro Football Weekly

I just wanted to point out that the phrase "in bonuses" is deceptive.Without knowing what the bonuses are, there's no way of knowing whether or not that is bonus money the player will likely see.

The important numbers are guaranteed bonuses such as signing bonuses.

Exactly why I used the words "...not clearly better..." and "...it appears...".

 

[Shiver44]

This is a major deal in fantasy circles, I think. Reggie Bush's premier value was going to be because of his versatility. If he can't attend camp, he may not be used as much as he would've been had he been able to pick up the offense. Any missed time will mean he won't be able to be used in as many specialty packages.

 

[BigJim®]

Bush should have been the #1 player selected so he deserves to get paid like the #1 selected.

Go get that money Reggie!

 

[diesel7982]

Scheffter said he was 85% on June 30th BTW.

How does Adam Scheffter know at what % Deuce's knee is?85% of what? How is that judged?

Meaningless number.

85% is the % of strength/power in his injured leg compared to his other leg. NFL and division I school teams have up to date diagnostic machines that give them these accurate numbers. It's to give the coaching staff and media concrete answers to how a player is progressing, and also helps keep track of a players progression throughout the rehab.

Strength and power have nothing to do with stability/agility.

 

[ATC1]

Scheffter said he was 85% on June 30th BTW.

How does Adam Scheffter know at what % Deuce's knee is?85% of what? How is that judged?

Meaningless number.

85% is the % of strength/power in his injured leg compared to his other leg. NFL and division I school teams have up to date diagnostic machines that give them these accurate numbers. It's to give the coaching staff and media concrete answers to how a player is progressing, and also helps keep track of a players progression throughout the rehab.

Strength and power have nothing to do with stability/agility.

Stability is in the reconstruction of the ACL and strength of the surrounding muscles. Agility is the last thing in the rehab protocal and hence why just 85%. Once a players strength is usually 90% sport related activities are included in the rehab. Duece should be getting to the stage where he is starting to make cuts and doing agility drills.

To not have a complete highjack. I think R. Bush and Duece will help each other out in the offense this season, and Bush not being in camp will hurt what S. Payton wants to be able to go with this team. Think of the piossible formations he can run with the both of them. With that said I don't like the way it looks, knowing the histroy of the Saints and the demand of money from rookies the past couple of years.

 

[sholditch]

What?? I mean, agility I can see but how can strenght and power have nothing to do with stability? You telling me my knee is as stable as a pro RB's knee? If it's your opinion that Deuce won't be ready then just say so.

 

[ATC1]

What?? I mean, agility I can see but how can strenght and power have nothing to do with stability? You telling me my knee is as stable as a pro RB's knee? If it's your opinion that Deuce won't be ready then just say so.

Unless you have a condition where your ligaments are weak or have laxity, then everyone's ligaments are equal in stability. What is different between an athlete and a normal person is muscle strength to not put as much tension on the ligaments, and proprioception - the ability of a muscle to react quick to stress.and I think if Duece can get full strength back and can cut and do football agility moves, there is no reason why he can't comeback 100% for the beggining of the season.

 

[saintfool]

he won't miss the homer opener, on MNF no less! this would be the opportunity for him to bask in the national exposure. it'll be a "love in" for the city and a chance for him to show off for a national audience.

 

[Dancing Bear]

Looks like Reggie may be more foolish than some here thought ...

Reggie may sit out 2006 and wait for 2007 ...

 

[thayman]

Looks like Reggie may be more foolish than some here thought ...

Reggie may sit out 2006 and wait for 2007 ...

yeah that'll happen

 

[Godsbrother]

Looks like Reggie may be more foolish than some here thought ...

Reggie may sit out 2006 and wait for 2007 ...

yeah that'll happen

Agreed. This is just a scare tactic...

 

[Sidewinder]

Looks like Reggie may be more foolish than some here thought ...

Reggie may sit out 2006 and wait for 2007 ...

Cole was on a local New Orleans sports wrap-up show last night. He wouldn't divulge his "source" but readily admitted that Reggie holding out the entire season was basically a farce with "a 99.9% chance that it would not happen". Kinda makes one wonder what his motivations for writing it at all were.

 

[N'wahlins Hope]

Looks like Reggie may be more foolish than some here thought ...

Reggie may sit out 2006 and wait for 2007 ...

Cole was on a local New Orleans sports wrap-up show last night. He wouldn't divulge his "source" but readily admitted that Reggie holding out the entire season was basically a farce with "a 99.9% chance that it would not happen". Kinda makes one wonder what his motivations for writing it at all were.

Did you hear the interview? What station was it on, and if you didn't hear it, what is your source?