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I hesitate to go as far as you, because I can't watch all the carries that Ivory faced vs Ingram.It's not complicated. Look at the film. The Falcons stacked the box every time Ingram ran. Almost all of Ivory's highlights are against 6 men in the box. In some of them all the linebackers start to fall back in coverage! I saw a goal line play (0:48) with five defensive backs! That's not much respect for Ivory.Yet they still pass 41% of the time with Ingram on the field. I just don't get what you think defenses actually do. Do the defensive tackles know that they're probably run stuffing rather than pass rushing? Sure, maybe. Is that why Ingram sucks? I doubt it.FF Ninja said:I challenge you to find one player who played more than 200 snaps that came close to 59% last year. Ingram's 59% stands out in the NFL as the most obvious hand tipping.PatsWillWin said:I don't see how running 59% of the time Ingram is in there is "telegraphing" what they are going to do. That's pretty close to a 50/50 split of run vs. pass. You're acting like it's 89%, not 59%/
And as someone said earlier, the Saints ran 70% of the time with Chris Ivory on the field, yet he produced better. Why?
ETA: I saw some Ivory comments. So when the Saints run 59% of the time with Ingram on the field, it's the biggest hand tipping in the NFL. When they run 75% of the time with Ivory on the field, defenses don't react at all, and still play the pass. Okie dokie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Bg_7oapMs
0:35 - only 5 guys playing the run
0:43 - only 5 guys playing the run
0:55 - only 6 guys playing the run
I'm not going to go on, but these are not the defensive fronts that Ingram usually faces. Any Ingram highlights you'll find probably aren't against 8 man fronts, either, but he simply didn't have any of those opportunities in week 1.
However, what you are saying makes sense. Ingram came into the league with a reputation as someone who was going to be a physical presence that made defenses pay. So while people in this thread have said things like "there's no way team's are putting 8 in the box to stop Mark Ingram", they would be completely wrong. Teams DID put 8 in the box to stop Ingram, and while I only have 10 carries to look at this season, it appears that is still the case.
Ivory is an UDFA, and so you'd expect he would demand less respect. But again, Ivory barely played last year and isn't on the team this year, so I don't understand the Ivory comparisons.