Salman Rushdie Stabbed In NY In Apparent Fatwa Attempt (1 Viewer)

[rockaction]

Salman Rushdie is on ventilator and may lose an eye after attack, agent says – as it happened

Author has surgery after he was stabbed in the neck as he prepared to give speech in Chautauqua, in upstate New York

www.theguardian.com

 

[HellToupee]

He should’ve stayed in hiding as Sal Bass

 

[Shula-holic]

Good thing this wasn't in NYC yet, Bragg would have this guy on his feet by now

 

[ekbeats]

I was a 20 year old student living in London when the fatwa was issued. One day I was walking to work at about 6:00 am and I see two guys with M-16’s perk up as I walked by a building. Scared the living **** out of me. I figured it out on the walk home - it was the publisher’s office of Satanic Verses. That feels like a lifetime ago.

I’ll give them one thing - they are patient.

 

[joffer]

Religion is a helluva drug

 

[dkp993]

He should’ve stayed in hiding as Sal Bass

They‘re real and they’re spectacular.

 

[rockaction]

Not exactly the responses I envisioned. More like righteous anger, I figured. So nothing but droll irony and sitcom references.

Way to go, board.

 

[TwinTurbo]

There are few that personify freedom of thought and expression more than him. I had the opportunity to meet him once and liked him very much. I really hope he pulls through.

 

[rockaction]

There are few that personify freedom of thought and expression more than him

We are in short supply of people like him. It's like the California drought right now.

 

[Sand]

Not exactly the responses I envisioned. More like righteous anger, I figured. So nothing but droll irony and sitcom references.

Way to go, board.

My thoughts on Islam may get me excused, so I'm holding off here.

I hope that Salman is ok.

 

[rockaction]

Christopher Hitchens on freedom of expression and Islam.

Christopher Hitchens (1989) on Rushdie

Salman Rushdie was born in Bombay (now Mumbai) on 19 June 1947. He went to school in Bombay and at Rugby in England, and read History at King's College, Camb...

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[Alex P Keaton]

Not exactly the responses I envisioned. More like righteous anger, I figured. So nothing but droll irony and sitcom references.

Way to go, board.

The board is torn. Liberals don’t know if they can like him because they haven’t read his book, don’t know if it is offensive, and aren’t sure if he should be cancelled. Conservatives don’t want to root for a guy perceived as liberal - an educated writer.

Either way, everyone should condemn the attack and be disturbed by it. Didn’t realize that the Japanese translator of the book was stabbed to death 31 years ago.

 

[foxco]

Those are pretty severe injuries, hoping he pulls through okay.
Never read Satanic Verses that got him in so much trouble but absolutely love Midnight's Children and several others of his; terrific writer.

 

[FairWarning]

Not exactly the responses I envisioned. More like righteous anger, I figured. So nothing but droll irony and sitcom references.

Way to go, board.

The board is torn. Liberals don’t know if they can like him because they haven’t read his book, don’t know if it is offensive, and aren’t sure if he should be cancelled. Conservatives don’t want to root for a guy perceived as liberal - an educated writer.

Either way, everyone should condemn the attack and be disturbed by it. Didn’t realize that the Japanese translator of the book was stabbed to death 31 years ago.

I don’t know about the subject matter of his books. It is very disturbing how this stabbing occured here though.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

My thoughts on Islam may get me excused, so I'm holding off here.

Same.

 

[Sand]

Conservatives don’t want to root for a guy perceived as liberal - an educated writer.

********. As a conservative who cherishes the first amendment I am a huge proponent.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Conservatives don’t want to root for a guy perceived as liberal - an educated writer.

********. As a conservative who cherishes the first amendment I am a huge proponent.

That’s good to hear. I hope most people feel that way.

 

[timschochet]

Not exactly the responses I envisioned. More like righteous anger, I figured. So nothing but droll irony and sitcom references.

Way to go, board.

My thoughts on Islam may get me excused, so I'm holding off here.

I hope that Salman is ok.

If you’re going to blame this on an entire religion, rather than on some extremists, then you SHOULD be excused.

 

[Sand]

Not exactly the responses I envisioned. More like righteous anger, I figured. So nothing but droll irony and sitcom references.

Way to go, board.

My thoughts on Islam may get me excused, so I'm holding off here.

I hope that Salman is ok.

If you’re going to blame this on an entire religion, rather than on some extremists, then you SHOULD be excused.

I say this sincerely Tim - you are about the last person to have any moral authority on any subject here.

Bill Maher says it better than I could.

 

[Navin Johnson]

Not exactly the responses I envisioned. More like righteous anger, I figured. So nothing but droll irony and sitcom references.

Way to go, board.

My thoughts on Islam may get me excused, so I'm holding off here.

I hope that Salman is ok.

If you’re going to blame this on an entire religion, rather than on some extremists, then you SHOULD be excused.

I say this sincerely Tim - you are about the last person to have any moral authority on any subject here.

But he is spot on here.

 

[timschochet]

Not exactly the responses I envisioned. More like righteous anger, I figured. So nothing but droll irony and sitcom references.

Way to go, board.

My thoughts on Islam may get me excused, so I'm holding off here.

I hope that Salman is ok.

If you’re going to blame this on an entire religion, rather than on some extremists, then you SHOULD be excused.

I say this sincerely Tim - you are about the last person to have any moral authority on any subject here.

Bill Maher says it better than I could.

I try my best to be a moral person. I’d like to think we all do.
I have a great deal of respect for Bill Maher but disagree with him strongly on this issue. I don’t think collective responsibility is a great look. There are over a billion Muslims on this planet and only a small handful of them commit evil, extreme acts: the evil, extreme ones. Same with any other grouping of human beings.

 

[Battersbox]

Salman Rushdie and his life since publication of The Satanic Versus is the best argument I can think of in favor of free speech absolutism. This attack demonstrates how absurd it is when people say 'words are violence'. Words aren't violence. Jumping onto a stage and stabbing a man 20 times is violence.

When you argue against free speech in just about any form, in just about any venue, you are increasing the likelihood that some nutjob somewhere will carry out 'missions' such as this.

 

[ekbeats]

Salman Rushdie and his life since publication of The Satanic Versus is the best argument I can think of in favor of free speech absolutism. This attack demonstrates how absurd it is when people say 'words are violence'. Words aren't violence. Jumping onto a stage and stabbing a man 20 times is violence.

When you argue against free speech in just about any form, in just about any venue, you are increasing the likelihood that some nutjob somewhere will carry out 'missions' such as this.

Excellent post. Very well said.

 

[timschochet]

Salman Rushdie and his life since publication of The Satanic Versus is the best argument I can think of in favor of free speech absolutism. This attack demonstrates how absurd it is when people say 'words are violence'. Words aren't violence. Jumping onto a stage and stabbing a man 20 times is violence.

When you argue against free speech in just about any form, in just about any venue, you are increasing the likelihood that some nutjob somewhere will carry out 'missions' such as this.

I can’t get behind “just about any form in just about any venue.” There are exceptions.

For example, I don’t think hate speech is acceptable in a civilized society. If a speaker thinks that homosexuality or transsexualism is evil, I don’t want that person speaking at a college campus, and I think it’s quite reasonable for the students to try and prevent it.

 

[ekbeats]

Salman Rushdie and his life since publication of The Satanic Versus is the best argument I can think of in favor of free speech absolutism. This attack demonstrates how absurd it is when people say 'words are violence'. Words aren't violence. Jumping onto a stage and stabbing a man 20 times is violence.

When you argue against free speech in just about any form, in just about any venue, you are increasing the likelihood that some nutjob somewhere will carry out 'missions' such as this.

I can’t get behind “just about any form in just about any venue.” There are exceptions.

For example, I don’t think hate speech is acceptable in a civilized society. If a speaker thinks that homosexuality or transsexualism is evil, I don’t want that person speaking at a college campus, and I think it’s quite reasonable for the students to try and prevent it.

Hate speech is in the eye of the beholder. I’m sure the guy who stabbed Rushdie considered The Satanic Verses hate speech.

 

[timschochet]

Salman Rushdie and his life since publication of The Satanic Versus is the best argument I can think of in favor of free speech absolutism. This attack demonstrates how absurd it is when people say 'words are violence'. Words aren't violence. Jumping onto a stage and stabbing a man 20 times is violence.

When you argue against free speech in just about any form, in just about any venue, you are increasing the likelihood that some nutjob somewhere will carry out 'missions' such as this.

I can’t get behind “just about any form in just about any venue.” There are exceptions.

For example, I don’t think hate speech is acceptable in a civilized society. If a speaker thinks that homosexuality or transsexualism is evil, I don’t want that person speaking at a college campus, and I think it’s quite reasonable for the students to try and prevent it.

Hate speech is in the eye of the beholder. I’m sure the guy who stabbed Rushdie considered The Satanic Verses hate speech.

Hate speech is not in the eye of the beholder, any more than rape or murder is. Rushdie’s writings are not hate speech. Saying transsexualism is evil is hate speech. Anti-semitism is hate speech. Racism is hate speech. Anti Christian bigotry or anti Muslim bigotry is hate speech. When Trump calls Covid the “China Virus”, that’s hate speech.

None of these things above should be prohibited by law. But when @Battersbox says they should be allowed in ANY venue, I disagree. There are always exceptions.

 

[Battersbox]

I said 'just about' any venue. There are exceptions, but they are very rare.

The slippery slopes are just too obvious when people who think like Tim start censoring. In Tim's examples of hate speech in the prior post, he says anti Muslim bigotry is hate speech, and should therefore be banned presumably. Well, I can promise you there are Muslims who definitely think the Satanic Verses is anti-Muslim even if Tim doesn't think so. I mean why else try to kill the author for it?

When you condone the censoring of hate speech, you embolden nuts to jump on stage and kill authors. After all, it's only fair because the author was violent first with his 'speech', right?

 

[Sand]

Salman Rushdie and his life since publication of The Satanic Versus is the best argument I can think of in favor of free speech absolutism. This attack demonstrates how absurd it is when people say 'words are violence'. Words aren't violence. Jumping onto a stage and stabbing a man 20 times is violence.

When you argue against free speech in just about any form, in just about any venue, you are increasing the likelihood that some nutjob somewhere will carry out 'missions' such as this.

I can’t get behind “just about any form in just about any venue.” There are exceptions.

For example, I don’t think hate speech is acceptable in a civilized society. If a speaker thinks that homosexuality or transsexualism is evil, I don’t want that person speaking at a college campus, and I think it’s quite reasonable for the students to try and prevent it.

Hate speech is in the eye of the beholder. I’m sure the guy who stabbed Rushdie considered The Satanic Verses hate speech.

Hate speech is not in the eye of the beholder, any more than rape or murder is. Rushdie’s writings are not hate speech. Saying transsexualism is evil is hate speech. Anti-semitism is hate speech. Racism is hate speech. Anti Christian bigotry or anti Muslim bigotry is hate speech. When Trump calls Covid the “China Virus”, that’s hate speech.

None of these things above should be prohibited by law. But when @Battersbox says they should be allowed in ANY venue, I disagree. There are always exceptions.

Define bigotry.

 

[Battersbox]

Salman Rushdie and his life since publication of The Satanic Versus is the best argument I can think of in favor of free speech absolutism. This attack demonstrates how absurd it is when people say 'words are violence'. Words aren't violence. Jumping onto a stage and stabbing a man 20 times is violence.

When you argue against free speech in just about any form, in just about any venue, you are increasing the likelihood that some nutjob somewhere will carry out 'missions' such as this.

I can’t get behind “just about any form in just about any venue.” There are exceptions.

For example, I don’t think hate speech is acceptable in a civilized society. If a speaker thinks that homosexuality or transsexualism is evil, I don’t want that person speaking at a college campus, and I think it’s quite reasonable for the students to try and prevent it.

Hate speech is in the eye of the beholder. I’m sure the guy who stabbed Rushdie considered The Satanic Verses hate speech.

Hate speech is not in the eye of the beholder, any more than rape or murder is. Rushdie’s writings are not hate speech. Saying transsexualism is evil is hate speech. Anti-semitism is hate speech. Racism is hate speech. Anti Christian bigotry or anti Muslim bigotry is hate speech. When Trump calls Covid the “China Virus”, that’s hate speech.

None of these things above should be prohibited by law. But when @Battersbox says they should be allowed in ANY venue, I disagree. There are always exceptions.

Define bigotry.

Exactly. Until we have a way for everyone to define it exactly the same way, tolerating hate speech is a necessary evil.

 

[timschochet]

I said 'just about' any venue. There are exceptions, but they are very rare.

The slippery slopes are just too obvious when people who think like Tim start censoring. In Tim's examples of hate speech in the prior post, he says anti Muslim bigotry is hate speech, and should therefore be banned presumably. Well, I can promise you there are Muslims who definitely think the Satanic Verses is anti-Muslim even if Tim doesn't think so. I mean why else try to kill the author for it?

When you condone the censoring of hate speech, you embolden nuts to jump on stage and kill authors. After all, it's only fair because the author was violent first with his 'speech', right?

But I don’t want to kill anybody.

Even if you and I disagree on when there should be exceptions to free speech (and reasonable people can and do disagree about that), we both agree that violence is not acceptable, ever. That’s what we should be focusing on.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Not exactly the responses I envisioned. More like righteous anger, I figured. So nothing but droll irony and sitcom references.

Way to go, board.

My thoughts on Islam may get me excused, so I'm holding off here.

I hope that Salman is ok.

If you’re going to blame this on an entire religion, rather than on some extremists, then you SHOULD be excused.

I say this sincerely Tim - you are about the last person to have any moral authority on any subject here.

Bill Maher says it better than I could.

I try my best to be a moral person. I’d like to think we all do.
I have a great deal of respect for Bill Maher but disagree with him strongly on this issue. I don’t think collective responsibility is a great look. There are over a billion Muslims on this planet and only a small handful of them commit evil, extreme acts: the evil, extreme ones. Same with any other grouping of human beings.

While this is true, I also think it's very dishonest to treat all religions as the same. They are not.
I am not even talking about extreme acts here, there are some religions that but up against my beliefs about women's rights, homosexual rights, etc..

 

[KarmaPolice]

Salman Rushdie and his life since publication of The Satanic Versus is the best argument I can think of in favor of free speech absolutism. This attack demonstrates how absurd it is when people say 'words are violence'. Words aren't violence. Jumping onto a stage and stabbing a man 20 times is violence.

When you argue against free speech in just about any form, in just about any venue, you are increasing the likelihood that some nutjob somewhere will carry out 'missions' such as this.

I can’t get behind “just about any form in just about any venue.” There are exceptions.

For example, I don’t think hate speech is acceptable in a civilized society. If a speaker thinks that homosexuality or transsexualism is evil, I don’t want that person speaking at a college campus, and I think it’s quite reasonable for the students to try and prevent it.

Hate speech is in the eye of the beholder. I’m sure the guy who stabbed Rushdie considered The Satanic Verses hate speech.

Hate speech is not in the eye of the beholder, any more than rape or murder is. Rushdie’s writings are not hate speech. Saying transsexualism is evil is hate speech. Anti-semitism is hate speech. Racism is hate speech. Anti Christian bigotry or anti Muslim bigotry is hate speech. When Trump calls Covid the “China Virus”, that’s hate speech.

None of these things above should be prohibited by law. But when @Battersbox says they should be allowed in ANY venue, I disagree. There are always exceptions.

ek's point is valid, that many view his writing as anti-Muslim and attacking their religion. Or do you get to define for people what is anti-Muslim and what isn't?

 

[moleculo]

Hate speech is not in the eye of the beholder, any more than rape or murder is.

I don't think that's true. Murder is a specific, well defined act - there is very little interpretation. Same for rape.

Hate speech is much more dependent on perspective. What one group finds hateful, another finds support within it's religion, so how could it be hate?

I don't think we can find widespread opinions on what constitutes hate speech.

 

[ekbeats]

MSN

Hadi Matar, the 24-year-old man accused of stabbing acclaimed novelist Salman Rushdie, had no prior criminal history, and authorities said they have yet to determine a motive for the attack against the man targeted by Iran’s leader more than 30 years ago.



And people wonder why the "authorities" and media get a bad rap.

Surprised they haven't blamed it on climate change and white supremacy yet.

Maybe he didn’t like the way he looked.

Next level acting by the way. “You talkin’ to me runt?”