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Same Old Chargers (1 Viewer)
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Let me guess, let's fire the coach that 4 hours ago people thought could be Coach of the Year. The same guy responsible for helping the team to 10 straight wins.
Fire him and just revamp, that's the answer to everything.
Fire him and just revamp, that's the answer to everything.
Evilhomer3k
Footballguy
The defensive players didn't do a bunch of stupid things. A couple, yes. It was the offense that made the majority of mental errors. The Oline was making false starts at the beginning of the game. Jackson made the dumb penalty of kicking the flag. Different players but the same results. Perhaps they're better off coming in as the underdog.
Polar Dude
Footballguy
I was critical of the level of preparation and the lack of discipline under Marty, and certainly Norv needs to be held just as accountable. Just because a situation is a pre-existing condition doesn't mean it's not the new coach's job to correct it.
Black
Footballguy
1) Can't run the ball. 2.2 ypc ain't going to do it. You need to control the ball to control the game and rest your defense.2) Rivers had a bad game. People missed blocking assignments, he didn't seem to have much pocket presence. Ugly. Like the Romo gaffs earlier in the day, once you see them have 2 mistakes (fumbles, ints), the game will be hard to recover from if the other team plays steady.3) The stupid mistakes/penalties mentioned earlier in the thread. One personal foul/unsportsmanlike foul, maybe. But they had like 3 or 4, and they were NOT the result of being over aggressive. They were stupid fouls by arrogant players.4) The JETS played their game. Congrats to Rex, Shonne, Sanchez, Reevis, K.Ro...they came up big. They played steady, they played physical, and they made plays when they had to. It's a pretty good storyline for this year. That being said, these Chargers (and probably the Jets) are not a match for what I saw Indy do last night. Indy should stroll into the Superbowl.What to do about Norv? Like Wade Phillips, he has an excellent regular season record, but can't seem to win the big game as a H.C. Sure we are spoiled with good year to year performance, but they might need to go another direction to give this team a chance. I am still shocked this team did squat to cover the obvious decline of LT, even letting Gartrell Johnson walk off their practice squad to the NYG.
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dirtyhalos
capital letter hater!
DropKick
Footballguy
That's the impression I get from watching this team. Chippy and chirpy. Wanted them to win today too, thought they would make for a more entertaining AFC Championship game than an inexperienced Jet squad.
Doesn't matter who's coaching this bunch of clowns they're losers and as a life long Bolt fan that's a tough thing to say. I'm sick of getting punched in the stomach every time I think we have the talent and mental toughness to win a Superbowl.
Polar Dude
Footballguy
Here's a list of Chargers' players that I wouldn't mind parting with, talent or no talent:LaDainian Tomlinson - I'm tired of seeing him go into "pout" mode every time things don't work out wellVincent Jackson - Drunk driving is not okay in my book; neither are stupid and unnecessary penaltiesShawne Merriman - I've always hated that look-at-me "Light Out" dance that makes him look like he is having a seizure; any suspicion of steroid use makes it hard to root for him alsoFeel free to add to this list.
CalBear
Footballguy
Or if Norv didn't make the stupid decision to go for an onsides kick. (Note how it changed the game; the Jets would not have gone for it on fourth and one at their own 30).
Polar Dude
Footballguy
I'm not so sure that "likely to have won" fits this scenario.What if they had converted that kick? Making the decision didn't doom them. Their inability to execute it is what hurt them.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
The Kicker is to blame as pointed out
kylechoffman
Footballguy
and we need a kicker for the postseason bc keading doesnt cut it.
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KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
According to the Norv apologists, firing the winning coach worked. No reason to not try again. Some people mistakenly thought Norv Turner had coach of the year credentials. No clue why, but he's no better than when he was the Redskins or Raiders coach.
I admit that I came to this thread as a Bronco fan to get some enjoyment out of Charger fans crying in their beers, but come on now, I have read enough in this thread about some of you wanting to get rid of your coach and star players now. Unbelievable, settle down Charger fans, getting rid of Vincent Jackson and Nate Kaeding is not going to help your cause to get to the next level. Parting ways with LT, I can understand, but I'd still think you'd be better off keeping him in a limited role, and start the forward movement to Sproles or a rookie next year. You guys basically get a free card to a division crown right now, because the Broncos Chiefs and Raiders are in no position to challenge you right now. It's time to build around your stars, not get rid of them.
CalBear
Footballguy
It was a stupid decision. Recovering an onsides kick is less than a 20% probability; stopping an anemic Jets offense that was going to run the ball into the line three times in a row was a much better than 20% probability.
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slayer666
Footballguy
MASSIVE blunder.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
To be fair, I don't think the Chargers had what it took to beat Indy, anyway. That team was hoping to play San Diego and exorcise those demons. I think their season only ended a week early.
Have you not been paying attention the last few years?
JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
They wouldnt have to kick, if they scored TDs!
They are and always will be over-rated!
My cousin (a diehard Bolts fan) hates the Patriots because of there attitude, I wonder if he hates the Chargers too!
I mean dude, really, grown man kicking a challenge flag in a playoff game? lol, yup those players are champions!
Chargers = never ever will win in the playoffs with Norv
They are and always will be over-rated!
My cousin (a diehard Bolts fan) hates the Patriots because of there attitude, I wonder if he hates the Chargers too!
I mean dude, really, grown man kicking a challenge flag in a playoff game? lol, yup those players are champions!
Chargers = never ever will win in the playoffs with Norv
jurb26
Footballguy
I agree it was a stupid decision but the reality is that it is a stupid decision that made no difference. SD had to prevent the Jets from getting a 1st down if they started at their own 20 or if they started at the SD 40. SD didn't stop them. They game was over either way.
Polar Dude
Footballguy
That's a good point. I still don't think this is the decision that dooms the team, but it certainly didn't help.
harryhood
Footballguy
bizarreIt really was like he was insulted that Rex Ryan wanted to challenge the play. So much so that he went out of his way to run 4 yards away from the line of scrimmage and kick the flag. That truly was a first for me, never seen anything like it. That's actually one of the best FAILED challenges in history I would have to say.
Polar Dude
Footballguy
My guess would be that most Chargers fans are pretty darn upset with the Chargers right now. I can't think of another team that has a bigger history of choking. In their 50 year history they have a good amount of talent and some very good teams and all they have to show for it is a 1962 AFL championship. Pretty pathetic.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
where were these clowns that are saying 'same old Chargers' when the Chargers were world-beaters in the regular season, winning 2nd best record in AFC and a bye, following a rocky start to the 2009 season?? 
Polar Dude
Footballguy
Yes, shame on Chargers fans for being hopeful that they could turn around their franchise's reputation. Nothing is more disgraceful than a fan-base being happy when their team is doing well.
shader
Footballguy
I'm a Titans fan who watched the Titans blow a chance at a super bowl out of loyalty to Eddie George.
The Chargers did the same thing with LT. Anyone with half a brain could see at the start of 2008 that LT was done.
But they rode that horse in 2009 and then rode him yesterday.
A good running game and the Chargers would be practically unstoppable. Don't blame Rivers..the Jets knew what was coming every play. They had zero fear of LT and it showed.
Upgrade the running game in 2010 and the Chargers will be right there in the mix again.
The Chargers did the same thing with LT. Anyone with half a brain could see at the start of 2008 that LT was done.
But they rode that horse in 2009 and then rode him yesterday.
A good running game and the Chargers would be practically unstoppable. Don't blame Rivers..the Jets knew what was coming every play. They had zero fear of LT and it showed.
Upgrade the running game in 2010 and the Chargers will be right there in the mix again.
Moonlight_Graham
Footballguy
It was a well executed onside kick. The results could have easily been reversed. There was a crowd of players around the jump ball.
Moonlight_Graham
Footballguy
fixed, sorry, I had to do it.
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CalBear
Footballguy
It absolutely made a difference. If you're willing to take the assumption that first to third down would have gone the same way, if you kicked away the Jets would be looking at fourth and one at their own 30 or thereabouts. They would not have gone for it on fourth down in that situation, putting the Chargers in field goal position if they failed. So, the decision to go for the onsides kick led directly to the fourth down play, which lost the game for the Chargers.jurb26 said:
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The Jets running game is hardly anemic. Also, if you don't kick the onside kick, you probably get the ball back with about a minute left, and say, around your own 30 or so. What are the odds of going down a scoring a TD? Not good. So your best bet was to get in position for a FG attempt, and does anyone really think Kaeding would have hit a clutch one at the end to tie it after missing three already? No way. If you recover that onside kick, you have 2 minutes to go down and score the winning TD, and with still a timeout and the 2-minute warning to stop the clock. I would say the onside kick gave them a better chance at winning the game, especially in regulation. And the onside kick was a good one; the specials team just did a poor job of going after it. Norv Turner did a really bad coaching job yesterday overall, but I had no problem with that decision.CalBear said:
CalBear
Footballguy
The Jets failed to get a first down for over 20 minutes of game time yesterday. They had 100 yards passing and, except for the one long TD run, averaged less than 3 yards per carry.
There's no such thing as clutch kicking; Kaeding was just as likely to make his next kick. (In fact, when Doug Brien eliminated the Chargers, he'd missed his previous kick). And do you really think the Chargers offense needs a whole lot of time to score? They didn't use a timeout on their previous TD drive that took just 1:22 off the clock despite Jackson's idiotic display of lack of discipline (also a hallmark of a Turner-coached team).And even if the onsides kick works, you still have the ball at your own 40; it's not like they wouldn't have needed to drive to score, anyway.Bonehead decision.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
They had 169 rushing yards. The mark of a great running team is the ability to keep grinding away and eventually breaking off a long run; the Jets did that. Let's not start playing the "Well, if you take way this play or that play" game, okay?
I'd love to see the stats on a kicker making a FG at the end of a playoff game, to tie or give them the win, after missing two or more already in the game. Chase?
Scoring quickly on one drive doesn't mean you will automatically score quickly on the next, especially when you consider the Jets played a bit soft on the TD drive that made it 17-14, because they had time on their side, but at the end, they likely wouldn't have played that soft again, so another quick score was no guarantee. Had SD had just one more timeout, I think kicking deep would have been the smart move.
Cawbird
Footballguy
Here's a way for San Diego to upgrade that running game and make serious strides at a Superbowl run in 2010:
DeAngelo Williams
Trade every pick that you have, get the RB that will get the job done and more.........and take care of business in the playoffs.
This....of course.......coming from a VERY WISHFUL DeAngelo Williams owner!
DeAngelo Williams
Trade every pick that you have, get the RB that will get the job done and more.........and take care of business in the playoffs.
This....of course.......coming from a VERY WISHFUL DeAngelo Williams owner!
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
This.JuSt CuZ said:
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
It was already 50/50 on whether to kick deep or onsides kick. I can't blame Norv here for thinking his defense wouldn't be able to stop the Jets rushing attack considering how they got carved up in the 2nd half. The onside kick looked like it was executed really well to boot. Just the Jets came up with it.
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CalBear
Footballguy
In that situation, the Jets were extremely unlikely to get a first down on three running plays. In fact, they got exactly 3 YPC on their three runs.
Adam Vinatieri in the Super Bowl. (And please, you can't count Kaeding's 58 yard miss as something that would sap his confidence).I'd love to see the stats on a kicker making a FG at the end of a playoff game, to tie or give them the win, after missing two or more already in the game. Chase?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
And then you get the ball back with around 60 seconds left, probably around your own 30-yard line (depending on the punt and the return), no timeouts, and then probably have to go down the field for a TD to win, as I doubt they had confidence in Kaeding to tie the game in the end after the two short ones he had blown. I think that influenced the decision to go for the onside kick, though they would never say it, as that would be throwing their kicker under the bus. Heck, the onside kick was perfect. Went the right amount of distance, and the Jets player even bobbled it, but the Chargers STs did an awful job of going for the recovery.
Lin Elliot. And I am not trashing Kaeding for the long miss, which is why I said "two or more," not "three or more."Adam Vinatieri in the Super Bowl. (And please, you can't count Kaeding's 58 yard miss as something that would sap his confidence).I'd love to see the stats on a kicker making a FG at the end of a playoff game, to tie or give them the win, after missing two or more already in the game. Chase?
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jurb26
Footballguy
Why do we have to assume that the Jets wouldn't have gone for it? The only thing we can assume with great probability is that if they had gone for it in that situation they would have made it. Because they did in the other scenario.I know it seems I'm playing devil's advocate here, but there are just too many assumptions to say that was the decision that cost them the game.
Black
Footballguy
I disagree...the Jets played their game, and that would not mean going for it on their own 30. They would have punted and trusted their DEF...with good reason.
jurb26
Footballguy
Why do you assume that had SD kicked off they would have started at their own 20?
CalBear
Footballguy
I didn't say the kick decision cost them the game; I said it was a stupid decision, which I think is pretty obvious.
Polar Dude
Footballguy
Can he at least wait until his team loses? In this game he was pouting early in the 4th. In previous games we have seen him start pouting shortly after the first series. That leads me to believe it's not all about wins and losses for him.
Family Matters
Footballguy
There is 1 common denominator for the Chargers frustrations over the last few years: A.J. Smith. He's changed players and coaches but the result is the same. Time to realize where the real problem is and realize as long as he's the man nothing will change. The Chargers hopes for a AFC championship or Super Bowl sailed a long time ago with Brees and Marty. It is what it is.
