bulger2holt
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With Ben throwing, I would have to say he is. Discuss
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Santonio Holmes a top 15 wr for the rest of year ? (1 Viewer)
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timschochet
Footballguy
gosh I hope so. I traded away Steve Smith because Holmes was sitting on my bench.
e a g l e s EAGLES
Footballguy
my my did holmes come up big for me this week....i needed 15 points he got that and some BOOOYAAA
Tanner9919
Footballguy
what is BOOOYAAA? must be an Eagles thing...
Holmes is a top 10 WR the rest of the season, this offense is rolling..remember, he was hot at the end of 2006 as well, so this second half surge is nothing new with Holmes.
harryhood
Footballguy
Just imagine where he would be sitting right now if he didnt get scratched late from their week 5 game against Seattle....
Banger
Footballguy
As long as Roth is healthy he should be a top 10-15 wr. After a few blowouts early in the season where the Steelers didn't need to pass Holmes is the #2 wr over his last 4 starts (66 pts) behind Welker (72) and ahead of Moss (65). I don't expect him to stay at that pace but he does have the ability.
BusterTBronco
Footballguy
According to the latest FBG "Top 250" chart, he is only WR18 (behind Steve Smith and Marvin Harrison). Ridiculous!
This is what I expect to happen for many of their upcoming games. I like Holmes. But, Ben isn't going to be throwing as much as he could in the coming weeks, and he'll still be spreading the ball around. Holmes just won't get the targets to be consistent enough to be a for-sure #1.Banger said:
Banger
Footballguy
I think the key is when they play against good run defenses and the next 4 games are against Cle, NYJ, Mia and Cin who are all among the worst against the run. So he may end up having some spotty numbers over the next few....
Yeah, because last night wasn't a blowout???? Holmes just earned himself a starting job on my roster over Roy for the forseeable future.
burd
Footballguy
as well as Holmes played last night, the Ravens were missing some key people in the seconday and it appeared that the Steelers were picking on one CB in particular. the Ravens D was a mess last night.not to take anything away from Holmes, but last night was the Steelers' night .... 75th Anniversay celebration, lousy weather conditions ... they couldn't have asked for a better scenario.Banger said:
And because of the blowout, he only had 5 targets and 4 receptions. You're not going to be able to expect Holmes to convert 40% of his targets into scores. With Parker likely to see a ton more success, there's going to be even less to spread around in the air. I still like him a lot. I just don't see him as a lock #1 because of the soft schedule.
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
I've been playing Holmes and Ward the last two weeks (start 3 WRs). Happy with the results.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
This is a fair assessment and I bascially agree.When I saw how they were using him in the PS I figured he'd be this year's Bernard Berrian, but with far better hands and RAC ability. He may only get 5 targets most weeks, but at least 2 of them are going to be deep routes. He's rarely drawing the other teams best cover guy so his chances of getting behind the D at least once are favorable. He's a really, really good WR2, that will still give you WR1 weeks now and then, and he is a deadly WR3 if you're that deep at wideout.
Banger
Footballguy
ya but if you have M. Harrison, J. Walker, A. Johnson, etc. all the sudden he's your #1....
plus he might as well be my number one with Coles since Boldin hasn't done #### in weeks.
mr. furley
Footballguy
he is:
#50 in number of targets (42)
#32 in number of catches (30)
#22 in number of yards (536)
#9 in number of TD catches (6)
he's gonna have to keep getting in the end zone to get in to the top 10.
#50 in number of targets (42)
#32 in number of catches (30)
#22 in number of yards (536)
#9 in number of TD catches (6)
he's gonna have to keep getting in the end zone to get in to the top 10.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
Boldin was on BYE Week 8, and the week before he had 8 receptions for 29 yards and 2 TD's. In most scoring systems that's at a minimum 12 points, and probably over 20 in most PPR leagues.I can see your frustration because he was hurt, but before he was hurt he still put up starting-quality to excellent numbers. He's averaging a TD per game.Back to the topic at hand, though. I don't see how Holmes isn't starting for most teams that drafted him. Between injuries and ineffectiveness, he's a good bet to put points on the board just because of his situation.plus he might as well be my number one with Coles since Boldin hasn't done #### in weeks.
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I am 4-5...fighting for a playoff spot and really need to win out. My Wrs?Lee Evans, Holmes, Branch (oh please come back NOW), Stallworth, Berrian...and Patten, who I LOVE going forward.Talk about 2nd half explosion (hoping for it at least.)I've been waiting for Holmes to get going, I think he is coming on now. I actually see some big games against MIA, NYJ, CIN and CLE...Ben has the arm, he has the speed.Boldin was on BYE Week 8, and the week before he had 8 receptions for 29 yards and 2 TD's. In most scoring systems that's at a minimum 12 points, and probably over 20 in most PPR leagues.I can see your frustration because he was hurt, but before he was hurt he still put up starting-quality to excellent numbers. He's averaging a TD per game.Back to the topic at hand, though. I don't see how Holmes isn't starting for most teams that drafted him. Between injuries and ineffectiveness, he's a good bet to put points on the board just because of his situation.plus he might as well be my number one with Coles since Boldin hasn't done #### in weeks.
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Burning Sensation
Footballguy
He has also only played 7 games, most WR's have played 8 or 9.
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harryhood
Footballguy
And we know that pittsburgh will be throwing LATE in any game if it is working.
scooterg61
Footballguy
thats why you dont believe everything you read.. thats why lj and sa were top 4 picks this year.. dont believe everything you read... if you do.. please come join my league so i can trade with you
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
What qualifies as "get going"?His last 4 games played, which is the last 6 weeks6/128/26/54/16/87/0ByeDNP4/110/2his average points per game in games played over that time span ranks him the #1 WR in FootballI am 4-5...fighting for a playoff spot and really need to win out. My Wrs?Lee Evans, Holmes, Branch (oh please come back NOW), Stallworth, Berrian...and Patten, who I LOVE going forward.Talk about 2nd half explosion (hoping for it at least.)I've been waiting for Holmes to get going, I think he is coming on now. I actually see some big games against MIA, NYJ, CIN and CLE...Ben has the arm, he has the speed.Boldin was on BYE Week 8, and the week before he had 8 receptions for 29 yards and 2 TD's. In most scoring systems that's at a minimum 12 points, and probably over 20 in most PPR leagues.I can see your frustration because he was hurt, but before he was hurt he still put up starting-quality to excellent numbers. He's averaging a TD per game.Back to the topic at hand, though. I don't see how Holmes isn't starting for most teams that drafted him. Between injuries and ineffectiveness, he's a good bet to put points on the board just because of his situation.
grouse
Footballguy
I own Ben and Santonio and my only major worry I have at this point is the weather, and that week 14 game in New England. Last night in the rain, Ben and Santonio looked more than fine, but what will this Steelers pass-happy offense look like when November turns to December, rain turns to snow and temperatures plummet. I owned Ben in both of my primary leagues, and two weeks ago dealt Ben for Brees specifically because Brees plays 6 of his last 7 games in a dome. Once the fantasy playoffs roll around, the weather = stress - getting a dome QB took some of that risk exposure away. The other concern is that week 14 game in New England. For most, this is the first round of the fantasy playoffs and while you could argue that playing the Patriots might yield good passing stats playing catch-up, I'm not convinced this will be the case in December in New England.
Overall, what's not to like about Santonio right now. The Steelers are throwing deep early and often and their upcoming stretch of 4 games should only fatten Santonio's stats and ranking. Ride'em if you got him.
Overall, what's not to like about Santonio right now. The Steelers are throwing deep early and often and their upcoming stretch of 4 games should only fatten Santonio's stats and ranking. Ride'em if you got him.
mr. furley
Footballguy
just posting the numbers
uwgb96
Footballguy
Wk 10 Browns 276yds/gm Wk 11 @ Jets 228yds/gm 
Wk 12 Dolphins 188yds/gm 
, but at homeWk 13 Bengals 253yds/gm 
Wk 14 @ Patriots 184yds/gm Wk 15 Jaguars 246yds/gm 
Wk 16 @ Rams 205yds/gm Burning Sensation
Footballguy
me toojust posting the numbers
shakeybarn
Footballguy
Hang on hang on... he to me, seems boom or bust. I see him putting up 120/2 then 2 for 15. Keep in mind the for a few weeks, Hines was out. The Steelers are a running team first, still... and they will get those rushing TDs up a bit. I was big on Holmes pre-season and his breakout year was expected.... but just be warned there will be some excrutiating off weeks. He's not a workhorse WR (who has an off day for 5 for 50). I know he was productive earlier this year, but I see him as more of a Lee Evans, vs a Reggie Wayne.
On a side note, Pittsburgh will start getting included in the Colt/Pats banter mix. That's a great team, and that will be another great game to look fwd to when NWE and PIT meet in a matter of weeks.
On a side note, Pittsburgh will start getting included in the Colt/Pats banter mix. That's a great team, and that will be another great game to look fwd to when NWE and PIT meet in a matter of weeks.
shadyridr
Footballguy
His lowest output of the year was weeks 2 & 3 when he had 3 for 53 and 3 for 49. Not sure how you can see him putting up 2 for 15. Hes been the most consistent WR on my team.
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harryhood
Footballguy
beat me to it Shady
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Sorry but this is a terrible analysis.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
I drafted him as my WR #4, after Steve Smith, T.O. and Colston. I think he's replaced Smith in my lineup until further notice.
Agreed. It makes no sense whatsoever. Holmes has scored at least one TD in 4/7 games (57%). Wayne has scored at least one TD in 4/8 games (50%). Of course, I would rather have Wayne because he gets more targets and his QB and system is better, but you can't say that Holmes is a boom or bust player.Sandeman said:
Fantaholic
Footballguy
Not trying to be a #### here, but isn't that sort of common knowledge at this point? I would say it has been for a few weeks.
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MCguidance
Footballguy
I think this is very accurate...much like Jennings.I'd say he's a high end No. 2 WR from here on out....maybe with No. 1 WR performances sprinkled in there..
Just had to chime in...I actually had him on my bench this week in one league....
Wayne
TJ
Evans (I just loved the match up...had to do it)
Granted, I have been playing him religiously and in one league he his helping to cover the pitiful numbers Smith has been putting up....
Personally, I think he is a very solid WR2....
Wayne
TJ
Evans (I just loved the match up...had to do it)
Granted, I have been playing him religiously and in one league he his helping to cover the pitiful numbers Smith has been putting up....
Personally, I think he is a very solid WR2....
mr. furley
Footballguy
do you want jihad?Burning Sensation said:me toomr. furley said:
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
do you want jihad?Burning Sensation said:me toomr. furley said:
mr. furley
Footballguy
do you want jihad?Burning Sensation said:me toomr. furley said:just posting the numbers
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Drugs are bad.....fun, but bad.do you want jihad?Burning Sensation said:me toomr. furley said:
Lemmiwinks
Footballguy
Do either of you have anything to add to this conversation?
Holmes is most valuable in non-ppr leagues but he has emerged as a big play threat on the level of Lee Evans (the one who plays well).
Holmes is most valuable in non-ppr leagues but he has emerged as a big play threat on the level of Lee Evans (the one who plays well).
mr. furley
Footballguy
you're right. i don't want to take away from the importance of this thread.
