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Santonio Holmes...... done ? (1 Viewer)
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I don't think it takes a catastrophe for a player to be labeled. Although ppl shouldn't take this as serious as it is. How many African American athletes, that make it professional, grow up poor? I'd say about at least 70%, but I'd say at least 25% of them grown up in shambles. Look at TO, Jerry Rice, ect., get my drift?Doens't neccesarily mean they get money and ruin themselves.I'll wait until he gets caught beating his wife while being caught with human growth hormone. Until then, I'll wait until something actually happens.and he's already stringing together arrests
Guy hasn't even played an NFL down yet. Chill, people.
Alot of poor people win the lottery. Some of them have no accounting skills, and bad people around them. They end up losing there money in a couple of years. (see MC HAMMER) On the other hand, some poor people win the lottery and are set for life. It just depends on the person, and I dont think any of us know Santonio on a personal basis
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Warpig
Footballguy
I don't think it takes a catastrophe for a player to be labeled. Although ppl shouldn't take this as serious as it is. How many African American athletes, that make it professional, grow up poor? I'd say about at least 70%, but I'd say at least 25% of them grown up in shambles. Look at TO, Jerry Rice, ect., get my drift?Doens't neccesarily mean they get money and ruin themselves.I'll wait until he gets caught beating his wife while being caught with human growth hormone. Until then, I'll wait until something actually happens.and he's already stringing together arrests
Guy hasn't even played an NFL down yet. Chill, people.
Alot of poor people win the lottery. Some of them have no accounting skills, and bad people around them. They end up losing there money in a couple of years. (see MC HAMMER) On the other hand, some poor people win the lottery and are set for life. It just depends on the person, and I dont think any of us know Santonio on a personal basis
For example (on the negative side): I played some semi-pro indoor football with Jason Brookins (from the Baltimore Ravens). He had a pretty decent year quite a few years back subbing in and splitting time with Priest Holmes (pre kansas city days). Anyway, you gotta think since he played a few years in the NFL and was on the active roster that he had to atleast made a couple/few hundred grand. Right? Anyway, we played on the Missouri Minutemen (he went to school with the owner of the team). The dude didn't have a house and he didn't have a car. He was totally dependent on his "girlfriend" to transport him to and fro. What the hell did he do with his money? I sure hope he has it all invested. Seemed like a decent guy.
Lombardi's Orphan Son
Footballguy
i think it's time YOU check out the fantasy figure skating league if you let accusations of domestic violence (where the rule is the man goes to jail ... 99.9% of the time) run the Steeler draft. get over that.i also think duce staley needs to stop giving these women publicity if they are going to stick their nose in the Steelers business and try to affect the team, how they're run, whom they sign and how much they give them.
-orphan
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Really? Like, seriously? Like, how many, like, times did he, like, say like?Finally! Someone who gets it! Be prepared for the "ignorant" name calling though.You know what guys - I found it FUNNY AS ####! So it IS humerous to some people who MAY find it funny.What is NOT humorous is that some of these millionaire athletes actually do act like idiots and also do speak in this ignorant manner. Maybe that is what you meant to say.This is not humorous; it's ignorant at best.
Get over yourself.
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As a matter of fact one of the local sports radio shows here in KC interviewed Sammie Parker (I think) and within a 2 minute interview they have him quoted as saying: "knowimsayin" like 38 times!!!
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
If only he were a middle-class white guy like Ryan Leaf.That's a stupid comment. On what background is Herock basing this on?I'd guess most if not a great percentage of NFL player come from no money. I'd like to see anyone, someone, please show me stats that having 3 kids at an early age is prone to make someone explode when they start making money.(KFFL). Add it up -- no money, poor family background, three kids already -- something's going to happen."
11B
Footballguy
And here's the rest of the story:When he interviews them, Herock requires the player to be totally honest and "confess their sins" so he is able to help prepare their answers when NFL coaches and general managers ask them about their problems. Herock said Holmes was "very pleasant ... a bright kid, a sharp kid." He said he thinks Holmes won't have any more off-field problems. "He's smart enough to know. He's going to change. He's smart enough to realize, 'This is going to kill me. I got to stop.' I think he will mature. This will stop. I don't think it will be a habitual thing."(KFFL) Gerry Dulac, of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports former NFL executive Ken Herock claims he thought Pittsburgh Steelers WR Santonio Holmes was a problem "ready to explode." Herock is a former pro personnel director with the Oakland Raiders, Atlanta Falcons and Green Bay Packers. He has a service called "Pro Prep" in which he counsels and prepares college players on how to conduct themselves in interviews for the NFL Draft. Herock worked with Holmes in January and said, "I had an impression of the kid, where he was from, such a tough area, but soon as he told me he had three kids I knew it was going to be a problem. He was dirt poor, all of a sudden he's got a little money, you get a little rambunctious. But I would have never thought it would happen now. I thought he might explode in year two or three. Add it up -- no money, poor family background, three kids already -- something's going to happen."
Hmmmm, I just found the rest of this story that wasn't reported earlier.
He was probably set up in the domestic abuse by his 3rd child's mother cuz she knew it would screw him. She was probably trying to blackmail him since she knew he was gonna be rich, heck she already tried to trap him by getting pregnent. DON'T EVER TRUST A WOMAN!! They'll drive you to
C Boswell
Footballguy
that is b/c if she did blow the whistle and had not asked for release at his arraignment he might not be making the money to give to her and his two other ladies and all the children. think a little before you speak. dude went to the new thug university. he is trouble.I would be lying if I said that Holmes doesn't worry me but his first arrest was bogus.The second arrest on domestic abuse is definitely more troublesome. I am hoping it was overblown a little because the victim was not the one that called the police to the house, she did not file for a PFA order and she asked for him to be released at his arraignment.and he's already stringing together arrests
Guy hasn't even played an NFL down yet. Chill, people.
If I were the Steelers I would hire a babysitter for Holmes to keep him out of trouble until training camp starts.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
So you are saying this woman is placing money above the safety of her and her children?that is b/c if she did blow the whistle and had not asked for release at his arraignment he might not be making the money to give to her and his two other ladies and all the children. think a little before you speak. dude went to the new thug university. he is trouble.I would be lying if I said that Holmes doesn't worry me but his first arrest was bogus.The second arrest on domestic abuse is definitely more troublesome. I am hoping it was overblown a little because the victim was not the one that called the police to the house, she did not file for a PFA order and she asked for him to be released at his arraignment.and he's already stringing together arrests
Guy hasn't even played an NFL down yet. Chill, people.
If I were the Steelers I would hire a babysitter for Holmes to keep him out of trouble until training camp starts.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
I don't see him amounting to much. Shame to have to say that about an OSU guy.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Must not be that big of a Bucks fan or you'd remember his performances in the Buckeyes 5 biggest games during his 3-years at OSU:at Michigan (2003) 8 receptions for 121 yards, 2 TD
vs. Kansas State (2003-04 Fiesta Bowl) 2 receptions for 37 yards, 2 TD
vs. Michigan (2004) 3 receptions for 50 yards, 1 TD
at Michigan (2005) 6 receptions for 72 yards, 1 TD
vs. Notre Dame (2005-06 Fiesta Bowl) 5 receptions for 124 yards, 1 TD
When you consider the stiffs OSU has run out at QB over the past three years 7 TD receptions in their biggest 5 games is quite impressive. The kid may be a punk but he can play, especially in big games.
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
Well there's a big surprise...
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
He's more of a long yardage guy -- someone who will have 2 catches for 84 yards and maybe a 50 yard TD here and there, but not a game dominator. It could just be OSU's QBs, but then again they opened up the offense this year and he didn't seem to benefit that much from it. Ted Ginn is the real stud at OSU IMO.edited to eliminate 'we' and 'our'.
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Peyton Marino
Footballguy
I missed the Michigan/OSU game this year. Care to fill me in on the final score?TIA dude
edit: I also didn't get to see what major BCS bowl Michigan played in this past year. I remember something about OSU winning the Fiesta Bowl. Any info here = very much appreciated.
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Yeh and maybe he just loves kids.That's a stupid comment. On what background is Herock basing this on?I'd guess most if not a great percentage of NFL player come from no money. I'd like to see anyone, someone, please show me stats that having 3 kids at an early age is prone to make someone explode when they start making money.(KFFL). Add it up -- no money, poor family background, three kids already -- something's going to happen."
Godsbrother
Footballguy
: crickets :
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
His location says he's from Michigan. I guess he's just a fair weather fan. Too bad both Miami and Michigan have been sucking lately
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Sorry to put this thread back somewhat on topic, but I just read this:
(Note that this doesn't sway me one way or the other as to what happened or as to San. Holmes character....all that probably happened was a big payoff to her. anyway...)
(Note that this doesn't sway me one way or the other as to what happened or as to San. Holmes character....all that probably happened was a big payoff to her. anyway...)
Weiner Dog
Footballguy
Doesn't the state still have to pursue Holmes??When I turned 18 years-old, I was chosen to serve on jury duty. A man supposedly struck his wife. The wife called the police. Days later...the woman recanted her story and said she doesn't remember telling the police that her husband hit hit here. Long story short, the prosecutors were the State...not the woman.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
They can but if she doesn't testify, then you don't have a witness and, therefore, no case.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Bump for SeaBass.
I tend to agree with your question/statement. I wasn't attacking the Steelers or saying what they should do. My opinion is based on how the local justice system, the OSU football community, and the Columbus Dispatch protects and justifies criminal actions.edit : I thought that I was responding to my most recent quote where I questioned our local community. I did mention Pittsburgh in this statement so my only response is that I hope that the Steelers treat the matter with the seriosness that it deserves.Bump for SeaBass.
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
Looks like this is not being swept under the rug...
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joffer
Footballguy
Steelers agree to terms with fifth-round pick
By Mike Prisuta
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, July 20, 2006
The Steelers came to terms with another draft choice Wednesday and continued to negotiate with representatives for first-round pick Santonio Holmes and free-agent-to-be Ike Taylor.
No. 5b selection Charles Davis, a tight end from Purdue, received a signing bonus of $104,000 and base salaries of $275,000, $350,000 and $445,000 on a three-year, $1.07 million deal.
No. 4a pick Willie Colon, an offensive lineman from Hofstra, was the first of the Steelers' draft choices to agree on a contract, accepting a three-year, $1.33 million package that included a signing bonus of $283,000 and base salaries of $275,000, $350,000 and $425,000.
The Steelers aren't close to a deal with Holmes, but they're making progress.
They're also committed to giving Holmes a chance to resurrect his reputation, despite multiple run-ins with the law since the draft.
"Definitely, he gets another chance," Steelers chairman Dan Rooney said.
Holmes was charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct over the Memorial Day weekend in Miami, a charge a Miami Beach police spokesman characterized, at the time, as "nothing."
Holmes also is scheduled to appear in court Aug. 15 in Franklin County, Ohio, to face charges of assault and domestic violence by assault -- both first-degree misdemeanors.
"He has to realize this is a great opportunity to be a very good player on a very good team, but to do that, he has to make some sacrifices," Rooney said. "He's gotta be on the straight and narrow."
Holmes may be subject to discipline under the Personal Conduct Policy in the NFL's basic agreement with the players' association.
"What I've heard, as far as the league is concerned, he's done everything they've asked him to do," Rooney said. "He's said the right things. He has to mean it."
Taylor, a starting cornerback for the first time in 2005 and a star during the Steelers' playoff run, signed a one-year, $1.57 million tender as a restricted free agent in the offseason.
Taylor intercepted one pass in the regular season and two in the playoffs, including one in the Steelers' 21-10 victory over Seattle in Super Bowl XL.
"Coach (Bill Cowher) gave me the challenge to go against the (opponent's) No. 1 receiver, and I just tried to take care of the opportunity," Taylor said during minicamp in May. "They had a lot of faith in me as a coaching staff. I had to earn that and earn it from my teammates."
"We continue to work on the contract, and we continue to make progress," said Scott Smith, Taylor's agent.
Taylor has repeatedly expressed a desire to remain with the Steelers.
"I think I will be here," he said in May. "I don't want to leave. I'm thinking positive, that we'll definitely get something worked out. But, right now, I'm playing football, and that's none of my concern."
Smith said it's "too early to tell" whether a contract extension could be worked out prior to the start of the season, at which point the Steelers traditionally cease such negotiations unless a deal is imminent.
The Steelers are scheduled to report to St. Vincent College in Latrobe for the opening of training camp July 28.
Seven of the team's nine draft choices remain unsigned: Holmes; No. 3a Anthony Smith (safety, Syracuse); No. 3b Willie Reid (wide receiver, Florida State); No. 4b Orien Harris (defensive lineman, Miami); No. 5a Omar Jacobs (quarterback, Bowling Green); No. 6 Marvin Philip (center, California); and No. 7 Cedrick Humes (running back, Virginia Tech).
By Mike Prisuta
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, July 20, 2006
The Steelers came to terms with another draft choice Wednesday and continued to negotiate with representatives for first-round pick Santonio Holmes and free-agent-to-be Ike Taylor.
No. 5b selection Charles Davis, a tight end from Purdue, received a signing bonus of $104,000 and base salaries of $275,000, $350,000 and $445,000 on a three-year, $1.07 million deal.
No. 4a pick Willie Colon, an offensive lineman from Hofstra, was the first of the Steelers' draft choices to agree on a contract, accepting a three-year, $1.33 million package that included a signing bonus of $283,000 and base salaries of $275,000, $350,000 and $425,000.
The Steelers aren't close to a deal with Holmes, but they're making progress.
They're also committed to giving Holmes a chance to resurrect his reputation, despite multiple run-ins with the law since the draft.
"Definitely, he gets another chance," Steelers chairman Dan Rooney said.
Holmes was charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct over the Memorial Day weekend in Miami, a charge a Miami Beach police spokesman characterized, at the time, as "nothing."
Holmes also is scheduled to appear in court Aug. 15 in Franklin County, Ohio, to face charges of assault and domestic violence by assault -- both first-degree misdemeanors.
"He has to realize this is a great opportunity to be a very good player on a very good team, but to do that, he has to make some sacrifices," Rooney said. "He's gotta be on the straight and narrow."
Holmes may be subject to discipline under the Personal Conduct Policy in the NFL's basic agreement with the players' association.
"What I've heard, as far as the league is concerned, he's done everything they've asked him to do," Rooney said. "He's said the right things. He has to mean it."
Taylor, a starting cornerback for the first time in 2005 and a star during the Steelers' playoff run, signed a one-year, $1.57 million tender as a restricted free agent in the offseason.
Taylor intercepted one pass in the regular season and two in the playoffs, including one in the Steelers' 21-10 victory over Seattle in Super Bowl XL.
"Coach (Bill Cowher) gave me the challenge to go against the (opponent's) No. 1 receiver, and I just tried to take care of the opportunity," Taylor said during minicamp in May. "They had a lot of faith in me as a coaching staff. I had to earn that and earn it from my teammates."
"We continue to work on the contract, and we continue to make progress," said Scott Smith, Taylor's agent.
Taylor has repeatedly expressed a desire to remain with the Steelers.
"I think I will be here," he said in May. "I don't want to leave. I'm thinking positive, that we'll definitely get something worked out. But, right now, I'm playing football, and that's none of my concern."
Smith said it's "too early to tell" whether a contract extension could be worked out prior to the start of the season, at which point the Steelers traditionally cease such negotiations unless a deal is imminent.
The Steelers are scheduled to report to St. Vincent College in Latrobe for the opening of training camp July 28.
Seven of the team's nine draft choices remain unsigned: Holmes; No. 3a Anthony Smith (safety, Syracuse); No. 3b Willie Reid (wide receiver, Florida State); No. 4b Orien Harris (defensive lineman, Miami); No. 5a Omar Jacobs (quarterback, Bowling Green); No. 6 Marvin Philip (center, California); and No. 7 Cedrick Humes (running back, Virginia Tech).
houndirish
Footballguy
In fairness, I don't think the Giants had Santonio on their radar. They liked Moss for his potential as a slot receiver. The Giants have also intimated that they had Moss rated higher on their board than Holmes. Trade or no trade, it's unlikely the G-Men draft Santonio Holmes.
