Savage Political Ad by Republican Baltimore Candidate Kimberly Klacic (1 Viewer)

[NightStalkers]

Also, what's the biggest municipality in Mont Co? Rockville? I don't think that the Mont Co is very urban or deals with the same situations as BMore City.

Actually is right at or over a million people population wise. Bigger than the District of Columbia.

 

[Charlie Steiner]

Why is Montgomery county richer? 

Lifelong MD resident here. I learned something interesting about Montgomery County a little over 20 years ago, when I worked at the University of Maryland's School of Public Affairs, where they run a distance learning program for housing authority/HUD execs around the country...

One of the professors explained that when JFK became President, a lot of young, idealistic and presumably democrats moved to DC to work for the government/administration, and by and large they moved to Montgomery County, and as such they brought in a lot of money from their high-paying government jobs, which gave the county a lot more money to work with than their neighbors; meanwhile, in the next county over, PG County, where I was born and lived the first 37 years of my life, there was a growing population made up by the very people the young idealists came to DC to save, so I guess you could call it a happy accident for Montgomery County that it grew so rich. And now, it's not so much the quantity of whites as it is the 'quality' in terms of financial resources. And since Montgomery County is established as THE place to live if you are 'important' in DC, successive waves of new power players that come to DC pick Montgomery County as well. It's a vicious cycle.

 

[NightStalkers]

I'm not sure what you are arguing here.

What is the fix?  People in the Democratic party always blame Republican's for the problems in cities.  This state is the perfect example of why that is a fallicy. ( and i believe that republicans fail some rural states also)  MD has Montgomery, Howard, Calvert, Anne Arundel, and Charles counties as part of the richest 25 counties in America.  Anne Arundel and Howard (the 2nd richest in the country) border Baltimore county which contains Baltimore.  The problems are the local govt's.

 

[NightStalkers]

Lifelong MD resident here. I learned something interesting about Montgomery County a little over 20 years ago, when I worked at the University of Maryland's School of Public Affairs, where they run a distance learning program for housing authority/HUD execs around the country...

One of the professors explained that when JFK became President, a lot of young, idealistic and presumably democrats moved to DC to work for the government/administration, and by and large they moved to Montgomery County, and as such they brought in a lot of money from their high-paying government jobs, which gave the county a lot more money to work with than their neighbors; meanwhile, in the next county over, PG County, where I was born and lived the first 37 years of my life, there was a growing population made up by the very people the young idealists came to DC to save, so I guess you could call it a happy accident for Montgomery County that it grew so rich. And now, it's not so much the quantity of whites as it is the 'quality' in terms of financial resources. And since Montgomery County is established as THE place to live if you are 'important' in DC, successive waves of new power players that come to DC pick Montgomery County as well. It's a vicious cycle.

It is not a happy accident it is due to the US Govt jobs.  Montgomery is not as rich as  Howard.  and PG doesn't do bad. I just found something on the internet saying the avg income in PG is 83k a year per household, which is 22k higher than the national avg.  MD has so many advantages due to DC just as Northern Virginia does due to DC being the nations capital.  If they every moved the capital away from DC (Never happening) MD would be just like West Virginia economically.  My parents move  to MD when i was a year old and we lived in Landover till i was 6 and then moved to Southern Anne Arundel county so like you i am basically a life long resident.  Which is why i don't buy the idea that it Baltimore's local govt is not the issue.  The only other thing is to blame the people which to me is racist.  However people of Baltimore do have to insist on things getting better and i hope they do.

 

[dgreen]

Lifelong MD resident here. I learned something interesting about Montgomery County a little over 20 years ago, when I worked at the University of Maryland's School of Public Affairs, where they run a distance learning program for housing authority/HUD execs around the country...

One of the professors explained that when JFK became President, a lot of young, idealistic and presumably democrats moved to DC to work for the government/administration, and by and large they moved to Montgomery County, and as such they brought in a lot of money from their high-paying government jobs, which gave the county a lot more money to work with than their neighbors; meanwhile, in the next county over, PG County, where I was born and lived the first 37 years of my life, there was a growing population made up by the very people the young idealists came to DC to save, so I guess you could call it a happy accident for Montgomery County that it grew so rich. And now, it's not so much the quantity of whites as it is the 'quality' in terms of financial resources. And since Montgomery County is established as THE place to live if you are 'important' in DC, successive waves of new power players that come to DC pick Montgomery County as well. It's a vicious cycle.

NIH, NIST, Walter Reed (which is gone now?), not too far from NASA - a lot of high-paying government jobs. There's also Marriott and Lockheed Martin HQs.

My understanding of PG County's demographics is that's where DC African Americans moved when they wanted to leave the city (after the riots maybe). And  then PG whites moved to Charles and Calvert. I know several white people who used to live in Waldorf but then moved even further out because of the changing demographics in that part of Charles County (but they aren't racists, of course!).

 

[dgreen]

It is not a happy accident it is due to the US Govt jobs.  Montgomery is not as rich as  Howard.  and PG doesn't do bad. I just found something on the internet saying the avg income in PG is 83k a year per household, which is 22k higher than the national avg.  MD has so many advantages due to DC just as Northern Virginia does due to DC being the nations capital.  If they every moved the capital away from DC (Never happening) MD would be just like West Virginia economically.  My parents move  to MD when i was a year old and we lived in Landover till i was 6 and then moved to Southern Anne Arundel county so like you i am basically a life long resident.  Which is why i don't buy the idea that it Baltimore's local govt is not the issue.  The only other thing is to blame the people which to me is racist.  However people of Baltimore do have to insist on things getting better and i hope they do.

I saw a stat when I was in college (I think it was based on 1990 Census data) that PG County had almost as many African American households making $100,000+ as New York City. The county has its problems, but it is also a great example of successful African American communities.

 

[NightStalkers]

NIH, NIST, Walter Reed (which is gone now?), not too far from NASA - a lot of high-paying government jobs. There's also Marriott and Lockheed Martin HQs.

My understanding of PG County's demographics is that's where DC African Americans moved when they wanted to leave the city (after the riots maybe). And  then PG whites moved to Charles and Calvert. I know several white people who used to live in Waldorf but then moved even further out because of the changing demographics in that part of Charles County (but they aren't racists, of course!).

You are forgetting NSA is in howard closer to Baltimore then DC.

I live in Calvert.  The reason people leave Charles is the urban sprawl  US 301 basically is just one long strip mall.  Calvert basically has the same African American population as the rest of the US around 13 percent.

The county council in Calvert does everything it can to not have the strip mall effect in the county.  And like Charles it basically one main artery MD rt4.  The county won't even allow the McDonalds to put up the Golden Arches sign in the Dunkirk.  They ran off a super Walmart in Dunkirk.

 

[Charlie Steiner]

It is not a happy accident it is due to the US Govt jobs.  Montgomery is not as rich as  Howard.  and PG doesn't do bad. I just found something on the internet saying the avg income in PG is 83k a year per household, which is 22k higher than the national avg.  MD has so many advantages due to DC just as Northern Virginia does due to DC being the nations capital.  If they every moved the capital away from DC (Never happening) MD would be just like West Virginia economically.  My parents move  to MD when i was a year old and we lived in Landover till i was 6 and then moved to Southern Anne Arundel county so like you i am basically a life long resident.  Which is why i don't buy the idea that it Baltimore's local govt is not the issue.  The only other thing is to blame the people which to me is racist.  However people of Baltimore do have to insist on things getting better and i hope they do.

The happy accident I meant was that most of the high-paid workers moved to Montgomery County and took all that money with them that fed Montgomery County's tax revenue.  I was just referring to how Montgomery became so rich to begin with.

FWIW, I agree with you about where the shortcomings with Baltimore's administration come from, but I think there is also a degree of 'institutionalized' prejudice against the Republican party. I could be wrong, but when I look at Governor Hogan and how much he struggles against the state government to get anything done and the less than flattering way he gets portrayed in local news keeps me open to that conspiracy.

Also FWIW, I love Baltimore, and I think if the population were left to their own devices, they would figure out how to turn things around. It has a lot going for it, and lot of civic pride across the spectrum to build on.

NIH, NIST, Walter Reed (which is gone now?), not too far from NASA - a lot of high-paying government jobs. There's also Marriott and Lockheed Martin HQs.

My understanding of PG County's demographics is that's where DC African Americans moved when they wanted to leave the city (after the riots maybe). And  then PG whites moved to Charles and Calvert. I know several white people who used to live in Waldorf but then moved even further out because of the changing demographics in that part of Charles County (but they aren't racists, of course!).

What you've heard about PG County lines up with what I learned when I worked at the university, as well as first-hand accounts from a family I grew up with, who's grandparents and one of their uncles were pretty well to do and moved to the southern counties.  A lot of DC residents either moved there themselves or have family/friends that moved there and let them use their address as a way to get their kids into PG schools.  I was too young to remember much about the original round of white flight, but coincidentally we moved out of Mt. Rainier (officially PG County but my street literally ended on the border with DC) to College Park, so we stayed in the county, and we moved mostly because the house we lived in was on the same street that the Exorcist story actually occurred in, but that's a for a different time.

I have no defense for the phenomenon of moving further away from growing minority populations, but I know in my own case, when I moved to AA County, it was mainly a financial decision, as AA County property taxes are half of PG's, and where we were living wasn't meant for children (not a 55+ place, but definitely geared toward singles and/or retirees anyway).

 

[NightStalkers]

I saw a stat when I was in college (I think it was based on 1990 Census data) that PG County had almost as many African American households making $100,000+ as New York City. The county has its problems, but it is also a great example of successful African American communities.

Don't disagree.  And it's leadership now is mostly African American and Democratic.  Which keeps going back to my main point, why can't Baltimore do the same thing?  Personally like i have said before i tend to be Republican.  But if a county like PG is democratic and the people are happy then they should vote Democrat.  If you are happy with your results from either party then you should vote that way.  People should vote for their best interests no matter if it is for the donkey or the elephant.

 

[Charlie Steiner]

You are forgetting NSA is in howard closer to Baltimore then DC.

I live in Calvert.  The reason people leave Charles is the urban sprawl  US 301 basically is just one long strip mall.  Calvert basically has the same African American population as the rest of the US around 13 percent.

The county council in Calvert does everything it can to not have the strip mall effect in the county.  And like Charles it basically one main artery MD rt4.  The county won't even allow the McDonalds to put up the Golden Arches sign in the Dunkirk.  They ran off a super Walmart in Dunkirk.

NSA is AA County, actually.  It borders Howard, but most if not all of it is in AA County.

 

[NightStalkers]

The happy accident I meant was that most of the high-paid workers moved to Montgomery County and took all that money with them that fed Montgomery County's tax revenue.  I was just referring to how Montgomery became so rich to begin with.

FWIW, I agree with you about where the shortcomings with Baltimore's administration come from, but I think there is also a degree of 'institutionalized' prejudice against the Republican party. I could be wrong, but when I look at Governor Hogan and how much he struggles against the state government to get anything done and the less than flattering way he gets portrayed in local news keeps me open to that conspiracy.

Also FWIW, I love Baltimore, and I think if the population were left to their own devices, they would figure out how to turn things around. It has a lot going for it, and lot of civic pride across the spectrum to build on.

What you've heard about PG County lines up with what I learned when I worked at the university, as well as first-hand accounts from a family I grew up with, who's grandparents and one of their uncles were pretty well to do and moved to the southern counties.  A lot of DC residents either moved there themselves or have family/friends that moved there and let them use their address as a way to get their kids into PG schools.  I was too young to remember much about the original round of white flight, but coincidentally we moved out of Mt. Rainier (officially PG County but my street literally ended on the border with DC) to College Park, so we stayed in the county, and we moved mostly because the house we lived in was on the same street that the Exorcist story actually occurred in, but that's a for a different time.

I have no defense for the phenomenon of moving further away from growing minority populations, but I know in my own case, when I moved to AA County, it was mainly a financial decision, as AA County property taxes are half of PG's, and where we were living wasn't meant for children (not a 55+ place, but definitely geared toward singles and/or retirees anyway).

My parents moved from Landover in 1973. It was because of crime not black people but white people threatening my father.

 

[NightStalkers]

NSA is AA County, actually.  It borders Howard, but most if not all of it is in AA County.

True but it real close to the county line.  And a lot of the people who work there are in Howard...

 

[The Z Machine]

Which keeps going back to my main point, why can't Baltimore do the same thing? 

Because Baltimore City is poor!  The issues are economic and racial.  You cannot compare PG County or Ho Co or Mont Co with Baltimore City.  

I'm not going to defend Baltimore mayors of the past.  SRB was the best of the bunch and that's not saying much.  I hope that Brandon Scott can move things in the right direction.  I surely hope that the city shows positive population growth in the 2020 census.  They have been building a lot of condos to appeal to the yuppies...

 

[dgreen]

I saw a stat when I was in college (I think it was based on 1990 Census data) that PG County had almost as many African American households making $100,000+ as New York City. The county has its problems, but it is also a great example of successful African American communities.

This stat isn't quite right. I don't think PG has ever had as many as NYC. But, it has a remarkable number of wealthy black households when compared to other areas. Looking at 2018 data, PG has 86,000 black households over $100k out of 208,000 total African American households. NYC is 165,000/755,000. So, PG has half the number of households over $100k while NYC has 3.6x as many total African American households. 41% of PG's African American households earn $100k+.

 

[NightStalkers]

Because Baltimore City is poor!  The issues are economic and racial.  You cannot compare PG County or Ho Co or Mont Co with Baltimore City.  

I'm not going to defend Baltimore mayors of the past.  SRB was the best of the bunch and that's not saying much.  I hope that Brandon Scott can move things in the right direction.  I surely hope that the city shows positive population growth in the 2020 census.  They have been building a lot of condos to appeal to the yuppies...

I hope Baltimore gets better too.  

 

[Joe Summer]

As far as Klacic and the like, the conservative black movement is here to stay and will be a big factor in the next election.

So, Klacic is losing 72% - 28%.

She's now crying voter fraud and is vowing to investigate.

 

[Nugget]

So, Klacic is losing 72% - 28%.

She's now crying voter fraud and is vowing to investigate.

28.1%

Don't suppress her votes.

 

[JAA]

As far as Klacic and the like, the conservative black movement is here to stay and will be a big factor in the next election.

So, Klacic is losing 72% - 28%.

She's now crying voter fraud and is vowing to investigate.

Savage

 

[CletiusMaximus]

So, Klacic is losing 72% - 28%.

She's now crying voter fraud and is vowing to investigate.

same thing with this guy: https://twitter.com/ErrolWebber/status/1325872370297561088  "I will NOT concede"

He is losing 86% - 14%

 

[Kal El]

same thing with this guy: https://twitter.com/ErrolWebber/status/1325872370297561088  "I will NOT concede"

He is losing 86% - 14%

Whatever happened to just taking the loss and moving on with your day?

 

[JAA]

same thing with this guy: https://twitter.com/ErrolWebber/status/1325872370297561088  "I will NOT concede"

He is losing 86% - 14%

Whatever happened to just taking the loss and moving on with your day?

A new precedent has been set

 

[beef]

BHD (aka Butthurt Disease) is now an official mental health condition. 

 

[Kal El]

A new precedent has been set

It's not new, it's being a sore loser. I used to be that way, then I turned 10, and now I'm trying to teach my kids how to lose and win gracefully.

 

[Sea Duck]

So, Klacic is losing 72% - 28%.

She's now crying voter fraud and is vowing to investigate.

same thing with this guy: https://twitter.com/ErrolWebber/status/1325872370297561088  "I will NOT concede"

He is losing 86% - 14%

Also this lady: https://twitter.com/theangiestanton/status/1324801287691665414   "If they cheated the President you know they cheated me"

She is losing 85.1% - 14.9%.

All three of these losing candidates are Republicans.

 

[Moonlight]

So, Klacic is losing 72% - 28%.

She's now crying voter fraud and is vowing to investigate.

Voters made a good choice. 

 

[Joe Summer]

All three of these losing candidates are Republicans.

I'd like to think that these candidates are subtly using satire to help convince both Trump and 70% of their party that the cries of "voter fraud" are ridiculous and without merit.

 

[gianmarco]

Also this lady: https://twitter.com/theangiestanton/status/1324801287691665414   "If they cheated the President you know they cheated me"

She is losing 85.1% - 14.9%.

All three of these losing candidates are Republicans.

And so it begins....

 

[Football Jones]

So, Klacic is losing 72% - 28%.

She's now crying voter fraud and is vowing to investigate.

LOL. You might want to check Trump's metrics for minorities in this election. It's already well on its way.

The red wave is coming in 24 & there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

I think YOU guys even realize that.

 

[whoknew]

Whatever happened to just taking the loss and moving on with your day?

Donald Trump

 

[Kal El]

LOL. You might want to check Trump's metrics for minorities in this election. It's already well on its way.

The red wave is coming in 24 & there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

I think YOU guys even realize that.

Trump got single digit support in many major cities, as did any Republican that ran there. The only place that is bluer than those is only accessible by boat.

 

[Football Jones]

Trump got single digit support in many major cities, as did any Republican that ran there. The only place that is bluer than those is only accessible by boat.

Even with all the hate towards Trump, the civil unrest, & the millions upon millions of dollars spent to unseat red, you failed.

There's not an awful lot of rocket science needed here.

 

[Kal El]

Even with all the hate towards Trump, the civil unrest, & the millions upon millions of dollars spent to unseat red, you failed.

There's not an awful lot of rocket science needed here.

Joe Biden is the next president. Trump has been fired, effective January 20, 2021.

 

[Football Jones]

Joe Biden is the next president. Trump has been fired, effective January 20, 2021.

That might be true.

 

[Thunderlips]

LOL. You might want to check Trump's metrics for minorities in this election. It's already well on its way.

The red wave is coming in 24 & there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

I think YOU guys even realize that.

Maybe....but not today! 

 

[Football Jones]

Maybe....but not today! 

Yep. Hopefully, we don't crash & burn as a society. I see the potential for things to get REAL ugly (duh).

Just wait it out & hope nothing happens to Biden (if he gets in).

 

[GordonGekko]

How do Republicans fix the problems of Baltimore?

Create a Public Service Corps. There is farmland just to the west of major Baltimore correct? ( So this becomes a state issue as well)

Have the government take over large sections of farmland and create work farms with barracks style housing ( separate for men and women) Create large sections of walling around the farmland area. All homeless are sent there. If you cannot prove residence in the US, you are sent to Baltimore. Have other states PAY Baltimore to take in their homeless. You work on the farm, you grow your own food, you provide your own self sustainable labor.  You don't work, you don't eat. It's a paramilitary environment. You wear uniforms, you do PT, you go to classes in the evening. You are paid minimum wage, of which a prorated amount is taken to cover your reduced cost housing. The rest is invested for you for growth. The classes are build on socialization, basic money management and long term trade job skills like being a mechanic, welding, plumbing, pipe fitting, etc. After three years of a good record, you can move to the city and apply for reduced cost federal/state housing barracks living.  The surplus of food that is produced is sold and the profits are divided by all the workers in their individual growth accounts.

You cannot leave the work farms unless you can prove a sponsorship by a residence somewhere in the US who can prove they will take you in like family. Otherwise you are restricted into living in Baltimore barracks camps until you can find a job to prove you can find residence without supplemental support.

The city becomes a hub for supporting the work farm/education/support industry.

Essentially, you make being homeless illegal in America but with a place for them to go. What do people need? Housing. Basic medial care. Basic job training/life skills. Basic socialization. A sense of purpose. Dignity in having work.

You also clean out the homeless problem in every city in America otherwise. How much will San Diego pay to never have a homeless person on their streets again? LA? San Francisco? Portland? Seattle? This money goes to building the infrastructure.

All finances are publicly listed and transparent.

You don't work, you don't eat. I recognize a lot of mentally ill people are homeless so they can work or they can starve. Any crime will mean those found guilty will be put on chain gangs. They will be separated in barracks away from others.

You do farm work, you get Spartan living situation, you eat cleanly grown food, you get very basic medical care, you have a job. You get to be outside and get sunlight. You give people a goal while they work the farms. Put in the work and prove yourself and you can move up to other parts of the "industry" like working in accounting, logistics, equipment repair, vehicle repair, plumbing, etc to support this as self sustaining.

Baltimore cannot attract existing industry, they must create their own. I'm sure some woke liberal here will immediately call it a  prison system. And my answer is it's probably more of a free life than most of you have slaved to your corporate masters.

Frame the narrative right, get  the numbers right, this could work. I could run on this and campaign on this and win. No cancel culture could stop it i.e. "Why are you opposed to people having housing and finding work and getting their dignity back?"

 

[JAA]

Create a Public Service Corps. There is farmland just to the west of major Baltimore correct? ( So this becomes a state issue as well)

Have the government take over large sections of farmland and create work farms with barracks style housing ( separate for men and women) Create large sections of walling around the farmland area. All homeless are sent there. If you cannot prove residence in the US, you are sent to Baltimore. Have other states PAY Baltimore to take in their homeless. You work on the farm, you grow your own food, you provide your own self sustainable labor.  You don't work, you don't eat. It's a paramilitary environment. You wear uniforms, you do PT, you go to classes in the evening. You are paid minimum wage, of which a prorated amount is taken to cover your reduced cost housing. The rest is invested for you for growth. The classes are build on socialization, basic money management and long term trade job skills like being a mechanic, welding, plumbing, pipe fitting, etc. After three years of a good record, you can move to the city and apply for reduced cost federal/state housing barracks living.  The surplus of food that is produced is sold and the profits are divided by all the workers in their individual growth accounts.

You cannot leave the work farms unless you can prove a sponsorship by a residence somewhere in the US who can prove they will take you in like family. Otherwise you are restricted into living in Baltimore barracks camps until you can find a job to prove you can find residence without supplemental support.

The city becomes a hub for supporting the work farm/education/support industry.

Essentially, you make being homeless illegal in America but with a place for them to go. What do people need? Housing. Basic medial care. Basic job training/life skills. Basic socialization. A sense of purpose. Dignity in having work.

You also clean out the homeless problem in every city in America otherwise. How much will San Diego pay to never have a homeless person on their streets again? LA? San Francisco? Portland? Seattle? This money goes to building the infrastructure.

All finances are publicly listed and transparent.

You don't work, you don't eat. I recognize a lot of mentally ill people are homeless so they can work or they can starve. Any crime will mean those found guilty will be put on chain gangs. They will be separated in barracks away from others.

You do farm work, you get Spartan living situation, you eat cleanly grown food, you get very basic medical care, you have a job. You get to be outside and get sunlight. You give people a goal while they work the farms. Put in the work and prove yourself and you can move up to other parts of the "industry" like working in accounting, logistics, equipment repair, vehicle repair, plumbing, etc to support this as self sustaining.

Baltimore cannot attract existing industry, they must create their own. I'm sure some woke liberal here will immediately call it a  prison system. And my answer is it's probably more of a free life than most of you have slaved to your corporate masters.

Frame the narrative right, get  the numbers right, this could work. I could run on this and campaign on this and win. No cancel culture could stop it i.e. "Why are you opposed to people having housing and finding work and getting their dignity back?"

They have tried this.  It doesnt work and fails miserably.

 

[Lutherman2112]

They have tried this.  It doesnt work and fails miserably.

Maybe he's just a Dickens fan pining for the Victorian era?

 

[James Daulton]

Her ads were everywhere.  Her yard signs outnumbered Mfume's 10-1.

But I think got much less of the vote than Trump did.  Must have had something to do with her being a complete phony. 

 

[The Z Machine]

Her yard signs outnumbered Mfume's 10-1.

Depends on what part of town you're in.

 

[JAA]

Her ads were everywhere.  Her yard signs outnumbered Mfume's 10-1.

But I think got much less of the vote than Trump did.  Must have had something to do with her being a complete phony. 

I always say ... signs dont vote

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Donald Trump

and Stacy Abrams.

 

[The Future Champs]

Create a Public Service Corps. There is farmland just to the west of major Baltimore correct? ( So this becomes a state issue as well)

Have the government take over large sections of farmland and create work farms with barracks style housing ( separate for men and women) Create large sections of walling around the farmland area. All homeless are sent there. If you cannot prove residence in the US, you are sent to Baltimore. Have other states PAY Baltimore to take in their homeless. You work on the farm, you grow your own food, you provide your own self sustainable labor.  You don't work, you don't eat. It's a paramilitary environment. You wear uniforms, you do PT, you go to classes in the evening. You are paid minimum wage, of which a prorated amount is taken to cover your reduced cost housing. The rest is invested for you for growth. The classes are build on socialization, basic money management and long term trade job skills like being a mechanic, welding, plumbing, pipe fitting, etc. After three years of a good record, you can move to the city and apply for reduced cost federal/state housing barracks living.  The surplus of food that is produced is sold and the profits are divided by all the workers in their individual growth accounts.

You cannot leave the work farms unless you can prove a sponsorship by a residence somewhere in the US who can prove they will take you in like family. Otherwise you are restricted into living in Baltimore barracks camps until you can find a job to prove you can find residence without supplemental support.

The city becomes a hub for supporting the work farm/education/support industry.

Essentially, you make being homeless illegal in America but with a place for them to go. What do people need? Housing. Basic medial care. Basic job training/life skills. Basic socialization. A sense of purpose. Dignity in having work.

You also clean out the homeless problem in every city in America otherwise. How much will San Diego pay to never have a homeless person on their streets again? LA? San Francisco? Portland? Seattle? This money goes to building the infrastructure.

All finances are publicly listed and transparent.

You don't work, you don't eat. I recognize a lot of mentally ill people are homeless so they can work or they can starve. Any crime will mean those found guilty will be put on chain gangs. They will be separated in barracks away from others.

You do farm work, you get Spartan living situation, you eat cleanly grown food, you get very basic medical care, you have a job. You get to be outside and get sunlight. You give people a goal while they work the farms. Put in the work and prove yourself and you can move up to other parts of the "industry" like working in accounting, logistics, equipment repair, vehicle repair, plumbing, etc to support this as self sustaining.

Baltimore cannot attract existing industry, they must create their own. I'm sure some woke liberal here will immediately call it a  prison system. And my answer is it's probably more of a free life than most of you have slaved to your corporate masters.

Frame the narrative right, get  the numbers right, this could work. I could run on this and campaign on this and win. No cancel culture could stop it i.e. "Why are you opposed to people having housing and finding work and getting their dignity back?"

Will there be ovens?

 

[GordonGekko]

Will there be ovens?

You work on the farm, you grow your own food, you provide your own self sustainable labor.  You don't work, you don't eat. It's a paramilitary environment. You wear uniforms, you do PT, you go to classes in the evening. You are paid minimum wage, of which a prorated amount is taken to cover your reduced cost housing. The rest is invested for you for growth. The classes are build on socialization, basic money management and long term trade job skills like being a mechanic, welding, plumbing, pipe fitting, etc. After three years of a good record, you can move to the city and apply for reduced cost federal/state housing barracks living.  The surplus of food that is produced is sold and the profits are divided by all the workers in their individual growth accounts...

The city becomes a hub for supporting the work farm/education/support industry.

Essentially, you make being homeless illegal in America but with a place for them to go. What do people need? Housing. Basic medial care. Basic job training/life skills. Basic socialization. A sense of purpose. Dignity in having work.

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Right out of high school, this was long ago, I was homeless for a while. It was horrible. I had the fortune to have a non blood related family help me and give me work and opportunity. I spun that into something better for myself and my godson. I was lucky, many were not.

It's easy for you to go into entitled snark if you've never experienced that kind of terror, fear, loss and shame. A warm bed, food, medical care, dignity with paid work, exercise, purpose, that's giving someone another chance at life.

Most Americans are a few paychecks away from being on the streets. What if it was you or someone you cared about?

Do your free speech the way you want, it only makes you a walking billboard for conservative values.

 

[The Future Champs]

You work on the farm, you grow your own food, you provide your own self sustainable labor.  You don't work, you don't eat. It's a paramilitary environment. You wear uniforms, you do PT, you go to classes in the evening. You are paid minimum wage, of which a prorated amount is taken to cover your reduced cost housing. The rest is invested for you for growth. The classes are build on socialization, basic money management and long term trade job skills like being a mechanic, welding, plumbing, pipe fitting, etc. After three years of a good record, you can move to the city and apply for reduced cost federal/state housing barracks living.  The surplus of food that is produced is sold and the profits are divided by all the workers in their individual growth accounts...

The city becomes a hub for supporting the work farm/education/support industry.

Essentially, you make being homeless illegal in America but with a place for them to go. What do people need? Housing. Basic medial care. Basic job training/life skills. Basic socialization. A sense of purpose. Dignity in having work.

****'

Right out of high school, this was long ago, I was homeless for a while. It was horrible. I had the fortune to have a non blood related family help me and give me work and opportunity. I spun that into something better for myself and my godson. I was lucky, many were not.

It's easy for you to go into entitled snark if you've never experienced that kind of terror, fear, loss and shame. A warm bed, food, medical care, dignity with paid work, exercise, purpose, that's giving someone another chance at life.

Most Americans are a few paychecks away from being on the streets. What if it was you or someone you cared about?

Do your free speech the way you want, it only makes you a walking billboard for conservative values.

Asking you if there’s going to be ovens in your concentration/prison work camps is entitled conservative snark?  Wow.  If someone I know and cared about was about to be homeless I wouldn’t let them go to one of your camps.