(HULK)
(Smash)
Depending on where you guys are, you can probably use either phone on either network. The only difference is the 1900 band, Tmobile didn't have it before, but they've been adding it out this year and should be done this year.
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Save $ on cell service -- Ting Mobile / Solavei (+ other MVNOs) (1 Viewer)
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Uwe Blab
Footballguy
This is tough. On the blog at Ting, they keep hinting at huge news to come. Seems to be hinting at IPhone, which would make the Ting plan an even bigger slam dunk as my wife ideally would like one. I hope it comes soon...like in the next couple of weeks. I want to switch now, but I don't want to get a phone if the rumors are true. Limbo.
(HULK)
(Smash)
I imagine its the iphone and I imagine it will be announced within the next 2 weeks. Otherwise, why bother with that post?
Uwe Blab
Footballguy
Eta: Ah, I see. I accidentally replied to your post that had nothing to do with the other. My bad...thought I hit fast reply not reply to post.
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(HULK)
(Smash)
If you're on T-mobile's HSPA+42 network, its wicked fast anyways. I am able to get over 12 MB per second download speeds in some areas. Thats pretty fast imo, and without the battery burn associated with LTE.Absolute cheapest plans are at Consumer Cellular. $17.50 for 150 minutes, 100 texts, and 10 MB of data. They have a couple of other options if that isn't enough.If you go up to $30, T-mobile has a prepaid with 100 minutes, unlimited texts, and 5GB of data at 4G speeds (throttled after the cap). This one seems a little more forgiving and you can use the data for Skype calls when away from wifi.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Hopefully it comes with an announcement about porting Galaxy SIII's through Sprint!
(HULK)
(Smash)
If you read the comments, someone asks if they should hold onto their current Sprint GS3 or buy a new one through Ting. They told him to hold onto his current one and wait. So...Hopefully it comes with an announcement about porting Galaxy SIII's through Sprint!
Jaysus
Good times!
I am pretty sure that is the plan I am going to get... I'm looking at other VOIP apps too. My internet at home is SLOOOW though, so it may be a pain.
(HULK)
(Smash)
I think there is one called GrooveIP that lets you do it.Warning though, call quality is supposedly less than stellar when you go this route.
Polish Hammer
made of glass
Hello all, I'm looking into this on behalf of my mother-in-law. She has been with Sprint for a long time and has been happy enough with the coverage in her area. She's never texted a single time and never had a data plan. Now she is interested in getting something with a data plan so that she can check email on the go and some other basic functionality. She would need a new phone and understands the concept here of paying more for the phone but saving on the back end.
What are the pieces of info I need to get from her so that all you wonderful fellows can tell me what her best option is, specifically? Her home zip code is 18017. Also, she will be spending about a month in Eastern Europe (Hungary and area) this May...will getting a phone with one of these networks allow her to use the phone there or not? If not, any suggestions for her having coverage while there?
What are the pieces of info I need to get from her so that all you wonderful fellows can tell me what her best option is, specifically? Her home zip code is 18017. Also, she will be spending about a month in Eastern Europe (Hungary and area) this May...will getting a phone with one of these networks allow her to use the phone there or not? If not, any suggestions for her having coverage while there?
(HULK)
(Smash)
How many minutes does she talk a month. I suspect Ting will be the best for her as she likes sprint's network and is a light user, but I can confirm it if I know exactly how many minutes she needs.
Unfortunately, Ting, Sprint, and Verizon are all CDMA networks and I believe Hungary is gsm. So her phone wouldn't work over there at all. Does she go there for extended periods of time pretty frequently? If so, she might want a gsm phone, which would Erin on T-Mobile's or att's networks here. She could get a Sim card there and swap it to have service abroad.
Unfortunately, Ting, Sprint, and Verizon are all CDMA networks and I believe Hungary is gsm. So her phone wouldn't work over there at all. Does she go there for extended periods of time pretty frequently? If so, she might want a gsm phone, which would Erin on T-Mobile's or att's networks here. She could get a Sim card there and swap it to have service abroad.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I saw this and wanted to switch my mom's and daughter's phones, but I couldn't find the plan at T-Mobile's site. Best I can tell it only works through a phone purchased at Wal-Mart. Mom has a hand me down 3g and daughter has my old 4s so... not going to work for me.
(HULK)
(Smash)
$30 plan is halfway down this pageIts there. You can use your existing phones as long as they're GSM phones.
None_More_Black
Footballguy
You have to unlock an at&t phone to use on tmobile prepaid correct?
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
The Walmart connection with that $30/100 min plan is that you can only get it from Walmart or tmobile.com (or by calling them). You can't get it from a t0mobile store and also note that it is for new activations only. SInce I have now found local friends to vouch for coverage,I will probably go with this plan when I do get around to switching. The $3/day plan may work better for me, but if I start with that, I wont be able to switch to the $30/100 min one, but can do the reverse.
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
HULK, I'm an idiot and not understanding a couple things with Ting...
1. First, how are they able to do this? Why would Sprint partner with them and, by definition, lose subscribers paying high fees? Wouldn't Verizon, Sprint, TM, ATT, etc...wouldn't they do everything they can to prevent this from happening (and certainly not encourage it)? Something about this just doesn't make any sense.
2. If you get a Google Nexus and are on the Sprint network, when are you actually "roaming" and unable to use the data plan? If Verizon is on the same network, does that constitute roaming and, thus, being unable to use data? This is probably broader ignorance i have about cell phone networks in general. But, with the Ting experience, what are the pitfalls here?
3. Why sign up for any plan if Ting is just going to charge -- or refund -- you based on usage? I don't understand the need for an arbitrary benchmark if there really are no penalties? Why wouldn't I just sign up for the lowest voice, data, text plan and just let the chips fall where they may?
I'm so intrigued and am really considering switching over in June when my wife's and my contract(s) end (I ran the numbers, and even with the savings, the $200 termination fee per line doesn't make sense to switch now). And, I'll use your referral link. But, there's something about this whole model - both economic and technological - that I don't understand. Can you enlighten?
1. First, how are they able to do this? Why would Sprint partner with them and, by definition, lose subscribers paying high fees? Wouldn't Verizon, Sprint, TM, ATT, etc...wouldn't they do everything they can to prevent this from happening (and certainly not encourage it)? Something about this just doesn't make any sense.
2. If you get a Google Nexus and are on the Sprint network, when are you actually "roaming" and unable to use the data plan? If Verizon is on the same network, does that constitute roaming and, thus, being unable to use data? This is probably broader ignorance i have about cell phone networks in general. But, with the Ting experience, what are the pitfalls here?
3. Why sign up for any plan if Ting is just going to charge -- or refund -- you based on usage? I don't understand the need for an arbitrary benchmark if there really are no penalties? Why wouldn't I just sign up for the lowest voice, data, text plan and just let the chips fall where they may?
I'm so intrigued and am really considering switching over in June when my wife's and my contract(s) end (I ran the numbers, and even with the savings, the $200 termination fee per line doesn't make sense to switch now). And, I'll use your referral link. But, there's something about this whole model - both economic and technological - that I don't understand. Can you enlighten?
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
Can you tether your phone to your laptop? I saw that they have a 2gb plan for laptops for $45 - why do that if I can tether?
(HULK)
(Smash)
1) I'm not in Sprint's front office, but I imagine it has to do with getting something over nothing. They try and attact customers into their postpaid plans, but those that they can't, they're fine capturing some value still I imagine. Ting pays Sprint to have access to their network... essentially they resell it. I'm sure there is some sort of markup involved where Sprint makes some profit, obviously not as much as they do with their direct postpaid customers, but its still something. Owning and operating a cellular network is expensive, and I believe the MVNOs represent an outlet for them to profit from excess capacity. So, that is why they do it.2) I'm near certain that Ting, when roaming on Verizon, its only voice and text available. Verizon's network is different than Sprint's... it just utilizes the exact same technology (CDMA). Much like AT&T and Tmobile are different networks but they use the same technology (GSM). Sprint's coverage is nationwide, you probably won't be roaming often. But in areas where Sprint doesn't have coverage its good to know that you'll still be able to make calls via Verizon's network. I had Sprint for years and the only time I ever found myself roaming was when I was underground on the DC Metro (Verizon has signal repeaters in the tunnels, Sprint doesn't).3)Sign up for whatever Ting plan you want. They'll adjust it to what you use. It really makes no difference. Its pretty great that they do this... I remember the days of living in fear over going over your plan and getting raped on overages.Let me know if you have any other questions.
(HULK)
(Smash)
SIMple Mobile does not allow tethering. Few MVNOs do (Ting does!). Some have hardline stances on it on their Terms of Service, some have policies against it but its reported that they don't really enforce it.FYI, SIMple Mobile, reports are out there that they'll throttle you @ 2GBs of use. Really, Solavei's $49 plan is the best I've seen on Tmobile, simply because they don't throttle you until 4GBs. Also, they're stance on tethering/hotspotting is that it is "not supported". But you can still do it if your phone is set up for it.
(HULK)
(Smash)
Eff it. HULK, you got another convert.Just purchased the Nexus on your credit. Thanks!
Let us know how it goes, and PM me your referral link once you've activated so I can add it to the first post.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
This is where the logic of the business model all breaks down for me. Ting pays Sprint to use their network. Ting grows in market share offering great service at fantastically-low prices; Sprint gets a little extra on the side from Ting.Now, say Sprint users reading this thread start multiplying by hundreds, thousands, hundreds of thousands and all decide to make the switch from Sprint to Ting? Like, this has to have crossed Sprint's mind at some point, right? And, in all likelihood, this would happen if Ting is able to market this successfully...why pay $1000 more a month in cell phone bills if you don't have to?So, I don't fundamentally get Sprint's end game here if they are losing subscribers to the benefit of the relative chicken scratch they're getting from Ting. From a legal standpoint, what constitutes "ownership" of a network? Why are all these plans and companies cropping up? If I were Verizon or Sprint, I'd say get the hell off my lawn....you can't use my network. But, I'm naive to how this all works, and maybe they can sort of own a network but have to allow others to use it as well? Better understanding of this may help me better understand the Sprint-Ting dynamic.
Either way I'm on board ready to give it a try.
(HULK)
(Smash)
Its simple: Sprint has this sunk cost of a network built out at X capacity. They could make a crummier network, but then it wouldn't be competitive with the other large networks. To operate 1 phone, lets say it costs them $A. They attempt to attract customers to give them their business. They use their network and market the crap out of it and sell it to people for $D. Still, even though they need X capacity to be competitive, they can't convince enough people to use it to its maximum capacity. So, they resell it to others (like Ting) at a rate of $B, and those others provide service to other consumers for $C. Aside from the benefit of selling excess capacity that costs $A for $B to the resellers, they also do not have to be concerned with the costs of marketing and running that subservice. Could they attempt to capture the customers that are paying $C to the resellers? Yes, but what impact does that have on the customers that are paying $D? They wouldn't like it and they'd become $C customers in a blink of an eye.So, really, Sprint/Verizon/AT&T, they have MVNOs so they can capture a little more value from their network without upsetting the apple cart that is the utter price exploitation of their postpaid customers.If and when the day comes where no one is a postpaid customer anymore because they've all switch to Ting and its cousins, the main companies will stop reselling service and sell it at a price somewhere between $B and $C. No idea exactly if/when that happens and it likely won't, but it would benefit all of us really. Competition helps the consumer always.This is where the logic of the business model all breaks down for me. Ting pays Sprint to use their network. Ting grows in market share offering great service at fantastically-low prices; Sprint gets a little extra on the side from Ting.Now, say Sprint users reading this thread start multiplying by hundreds, thousands, hundreds of thousands and all decide to make the switch from Sprint to Ting? Like, this has to have crossed Sprint's mind at some point, right? And, in all likelihood, this would happen if Ting is able to market this successfully...why pay $1000 more a month in cell phone bills if you don't have to?So, I don't fundamentally get Sprint's end game here if they are losing subscribers to the benefit of the relative chicken scratch they're getting from Ting. From a legal standpoint, what constitutes "ownership" of a network? Why are all these plans and companies cropping up? If I were Verizon or Sprint, I'd say get the hell off my lawn....you can't use my network. But, I'm naive to how this all works, and maybe they can sort of own a network but have to allow others to use it as well? Better understanding of this may help me better understand the Sprint-Ting dynamic.
culdeus
Footballguy
I don't really call this system competition in the strict manner. This is more like when Clorox sells out their overrage to walmart for the store brand side at a lower margin.Its simple: Sprint has this sunk cost of a network built out at X capacity. They could make a crummier network, but then it wouldn't be competitive with the other large networks. To operate 1 phone, lets say it costs them $A. They attempt to attract customers to give them their business. They use their network and market the crap out of it and sell it to people for $D. Still, even though they need X capacity to be competitive, they can't convince enough people to use it to its maximum capacity. So, they resell it to others (like Ting) at a rate of $B, and those others provide service to other consumers for $C. Aside from the benefit of selling excess capacity that costs $A for $B to the resellers, they also do not have to be concerned with the costs of marketing and running that subservice. Could they attempt to capture the customers that are paying $C to the resellers? Yes, but what impact does that have on the customers that are paying $D? They wouldn't like it and they'd become $C customers in a blink of an eye.So, really, Sprint/Verizon/AT&T, they have MVNOs so they can capture a little more value from their network without upsetting the apple cart that is the utter price exploitation of their postpaid customers.If and when the day comes where no one is a postpaid customer anymore because they've all switch to Ting and its cousins, the main companies will stop reselling service and sell it at a price somewhere between $B and $C. No idea exactly if/when that happens and it likely won't, but it would benefit all of us really. Competition helps the consumer always.This is where the logic of the business model all breaks down for me. Ting pays Sprint to use their network. Ting grows in market share offering great service at fantastically-low prices; Sprint gets a little extra on the side from Ting.Now, say Sprint users reading this thread start multiplying by hundreds, thousands, hundreds of thousands and all decide to make the switch from Sprint to Ting? Like, this has to have crossed Sprint's mind at some point, right? And, in all likelihood, this would happen if Ting is able to market this successfully...why pay $1000 more a month in cell phone bills if you don't have to?So, I don't fundamentally get Sprint's end game here if they are losing subscribers to the benefit of the relative chicken scratch they're getting from Ting. From a legal standpoint, what constitutes "ownership" of a network? Why are all these plans and companies cropping up? If I were Verizon or Sprint, I'd say get the hell off my lawn....you can't use my network. But, I'm naive to how this all works, and maybe they can sort of own a network but have to allow others to use it as well? Better understanding of this may help me better understand the Sprint-Ting dynamic.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Someone feel free to use my code once... rascal didn't, so they didn't give me the $75 first-time referral fee, just credited my account $25 since they did the same for him over the phone. Thus, I am still eligible for that first-time bonus. :freemoney: I hope HULK gets about 19 referrals though, for all the $$ he saved me, he deserves all the credits he gets. 
$75 will pay my bill for almost two months
I love Ting.
$75 will pay my bill for almost two months
I love Ting.
(HULK)
(Smash)
Woot! That makes 5. Although my account only shows 4 thus far (I think they don't show up until the phone is activated). Between that and the $175 I picked up with their ETF payoff second chance (this was only available to folks who missed the Feb 1st one but had signed up, that puts me at $400 in credits. This means I won't have to pay for my wife's phone for about a year. Wow.
I appreciate the love folks, but if you're just tuning in and switching to Ting feel free to share that love with the rest of the guys. Especially if you sign up before the 15th of this month, as that referral would be worth $75 for them, opposed to the $25 it would be worth starting on the 16th.
I appreciate the love folks, but if you're just tuning in and switching to Ting feel free to share that love with the rest of the guys. Especially if you sign up before the 15th of this month, as that referral would be worth $75 for them, opposed to the $25 it would be worth starting on the 16th.
Fishboy
Footballguy
Just activated a couple of hours ago. I'll send you a PM with her referral link - not sure whose actual name you'll need.
(HULK)
(Smash)
Link is all I needed, I added it to the first post.ETA: I'm thinking her credit already got added to my account and Cobalt's is still outstanding. He ordered the phone online just the other day so he probably hasn't activated it yet.
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
Yup, got a call from my CC this morning asking about "unusual" activity on my account. They quoted me the price of the phone that I paid last night, on Ting so I said yup it's legit, and they said they'd push through. Let me know if/when you see it clear.Now I'm waiting 3 days for my Nexus to come in the mail before I can sign up. :foottapping:
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(HULK)
(Smash)
It should show up once you get the phone and activate. Thanks!
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
So since I'm looking to upgrade my phone I think I should get in on this. What's the reader's digest version?
I have five lines total, two with data, three without. Verizon is my carrier. Paying about $200/month after my discounts and taxes applied.
I have five lines total, two with data, three without. Verizon is my carrier. Paying about $200/month after my discounts and taxes applied.
(HULK)
(Smash)
Readers digest version, post your zip code and minutes/texts/data usage for each line and I'll find you the best deal, probably save you a bunch, especially if you're well covered by sprint.
Keerock
Footballguy
I'll bite. Currently on AT&T. 5 Lines. All with data (2G each per month) and unlimited texting (10K combined per month). Use about 1400 minutes combined per month. $270 per month. 48374.
Keerock
Footballguy
Sorry... the 2Gb is the limit on each phone (actually, mine is grandfatherd unlimited) Acutal usage is much less
hone 1: 1GbPhone 2: 500Mb
Phone 3: 400Mb
Phone 4: 250Mb
Phone 5: 100Mb
(HULK)
(Smash)
Great, what is your zipcode?ETA: Is everyone over the age of 14?Sorry... the 2Gb is the limit on each phone (actually, mine is grandfatherd unlimited) Acutal usage is much less
Phone 2: 500Mb
Phone 3: 400Mb
Phone 4: 250Mb
Phone 5: 100Mb
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Keerock
Footballguy
Still 48374Great, what is your zipcode?Sorry... the 2Gb is the limit on each phone (actually, mine is grandfatherd unlimited) Acutal usage is much less
Phone 2: 500Mb
Phone 3: 400Mb
Phone 4: 250Mb
Phone 5: 100Mb
(HULK)
(Smash)
Last question, is everyone over the age of 14?Still 48374Great, what is your zipcode?Sorry... the 2Gb is the limit on each phone (actually, mine is grandfatherd unlimited) Acutal usage is much less
Phone 2: 500Mb
Phone 3: 400Mb
Phone 4: 250Mb
Phone 5: 100Mb
Keerock
Footballguy
Now, no. After November, yes (my youngest turns 14 in November)Last question, is everyone over the age of 14?Still 48374Great, what is your zipcode?Sorry... the 2Gb is the limit on each phone (actually, mine is grandfatherd unlimited) Acutal usage is much less
Phone 2: 500Mb
Phone 3: 400Mb
Phone 4: 250Mb
Phone 5: 100Mb
(HULK)
(Smash)
Kee, looks like you have decent coverage from all of the big 4. You okay with being on any of them?
Carrier Avg. Rating No. of Reviews Towers Coverage Map
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1. Verizon 2.34 47 Towers Map
2. AT&T 1.78 50 Towers Map
3. T-Mobile 1.76 37 Towers Map
4. Sprint 1.73 33 Towers Map
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Total Coverage 1.92 203 Towers
Carrier Avg. Rating No. of Reviews Towers Coverage Map
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1. Verizon 2.34 47 Towers Map
2. AT&T 1.78 50 Towers Map
3. T-Mobile 1.76 37 Towers Map
4. Sprint 1.73 33 Towers Map
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Total Coverage 1.92 203 Towers
Keerock
Footballguy
Any of them would be fine.ETA: but to continue using our current phones, wouldn't I have to stay on AT&T?
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(HULK)
(Smash)
Okay, lets look at this by carrier.
If you go on Sprint's network, Ting could do this:
5 phones ($30) + 2000 shared minutes ($35) + 6000 shared texts ($14) + 3 GB of shared data (you currently use 2.25GB ($60) = $139 a month + tax.
A few notes, texts over 6000 cost 1/4th of a penny. So, if you sent another 4K texts, you'd have an extra charge of $10. Alternatively you could start using google voice to text, which is entirely free (as it goes over wifi or data). This can be harder than it sounds, my wife refuses to do it despite how easy it is. Anyways, this is about the best deal you can find overall. Switching to Ting would require new phones though as the network is CDMA and your phones are GSM. Ting does NOT subsidize phone purchases so you'll be paying full price.
If you stay on AT&T's network, you can go with either Straight Talk or Net10. Net10 will throttle your data at 1.5GB on a line (which you won't hit) and Straight Talk is more ambiguous about it, but people report throttling around 2GB of data. So, 5 lines with unlimited talk/text/and data as described above run $225 plus tax. If you find that you're the kind of guy who frequently needs customer service though... you may come to hate these companies. You can bring your existing phones.
If you are okay on T-mobile's network, Solavei would be the choice. Each line would have unlimited calls, texts, and 4GB of HSPA+42 data (then throttled to 2G beyond that limit). If you signed up first, then signed up your wife under you, then signed up the other 3 under her, both your line and her line would get a $20 a month discount. So, your and her line would both be $29 a month, and the other 3 would be $49 a month. Grand total is $205 plus tax. If you go this route, let me know as I might be able to get you your SIM cards for free.
If you want to use Verizon's network, which appears to be the best by you, you actually want to use Verizon itself. Family Share Plan with unlimited talk/text/plus 8GB of shared data is $130 for the first 2 lines, with $40 each additional line. Grand total of $250 and they'll subsidize your new phone purchases.
ETA: Roaming. Ting runs on Sprint and roams on Verizon. Net10 and StraightTalk do not roam, so you just have AT&T. Solavei runs on Tmobile and roams on AT&T. Verizon runs on Verizon (duh) and roams on Sprint. None of these companies charge a fee for roaming if they offer it.
ETA2: If you decide on Solavei, please PM me. There are a few things you have to do to ensure that 2 lines get the $20 monthly discount. Like use unique emails for each phone you register.
If you go on Sprint's network, Ting could do this:
5 phones ($30) + 2000 shared minutes ($35) + 6000 shared texts ($14) + 3 GB of shared data (you currently use 2.25GB ($60) = $139 a month + tax.
A few notes, texts over 6000 cost 1/4th of a penny. So, if you sent another 4K texts, you'd have an extra charge of $10. Alternatively you could start using google voice to text, which is entirely free (as it goes over wifi or data). This can be harder than it sounds, my wife refuses to do it despite how easy it is. Anyways, this is about the best deal you can find overall. Switching to Ting would require new phones though as the network is CDMA and your phones are GSM. Ting does NOT subsidize phone purchases so you'll be paying full price.
If you stay on AT&T's network, you can go with either Straight Talk or Net10. Net10 will throttle your data at 1.5GB on a line (which you won't hit) and Straight Talk is more ambiguous about it, but people report throttling around 2GB of data. So, 5 lines with unlimited talk/text/and data as described above run $225 plus tax. If you find that you're the kind of guy who frequently needs customer service though... you may come to hate these companies. You can bring your existing phones.
If you are okay on T-mobile's network, Solavei would be the choice. Each line would have unlimited calls, texts, and 4GB of HSPA+42 data (then throttled to 2G beyond that limit). If you signed up first, then signed up your wife under you, then signed up the other 3 under her, both your line and her line would get a $20 a month discount. So, your and her line would both be $29 a month, and the other 3 would be $49 a month. Grand total is $205 plus tax. If you go this route, let me know as I might be able to get you your SIM cards for free.
If you want to use Verizon's network, which appears to be the best by you, you actually want to use Verizon itself. Family Share Plan with unlimited talk/text/plus 8GB of shared data is $130 for the first 2 lines, with $40 each additional line. Grand total of $250 and they'll subsidize your new phone purchases.
ETA: Roaming. Ting runs on Sprint and roams on Verizon. Net10 and StraightTalk do not roam, so you just have AT&T. Solavei runs on Tmobile and roams on AT&T. Verizon runs on Verizon (duh) and roams on Sprint. None of these companies charge a fee for roaming if they offer it.
ETA2: If you decide on Solavei, please PM me. There are a few things you have to do to ensure that 2 lines get the $20 monthly discount. Like use unique emails for each phone you register.
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(HULK)
(Smash)
You can use your current phones on AT&T or Tmobile MVNOs. Not Sprint or Verizon, those would require new purchases.
Keerock
Footballguy
You, sir, are the Fing MAN! Thanks so much for this! I will be investigating my ETF with AT&T and weigh these options. I may stall a bit waiting for iPhone support too.Now... what you need to do is set up a website that does these comparisons/calculations for people. Not sure how you could monetize it, but I think this would be a huge hit.
