rosentowski
Footballguy
Based on all info I have read and received on NFL rules, I still believe the Denard Robinson stat correction is a mistake. What is your understanding of this play as it pertains to NFL rules?
(Article 4. Loose Ball)
A Loose Ball is a live ball that is not in player possession, i.e., any ball that has been kicked, passed, or fumbled. A Loose Ball is considered to be in possession of the team (offense) whose player kicked, passed, or fumbled it. It is a Loose Ball until a player secures possession or until the ball becomes dead. If it has not yet struck the ground, a Loose Ball is In Flight.
(Article 5. Fumble)
A Fumble is any act, other than passing, handing, or legally kicking the ball, which results in a loss of player possession. The use of the term Fumble always means that the ball was in possession of a player when the act occurred.
(Article 3. Running Play)
A Running Play begins in the following situations:
(F.)If there is a running play followed by a fumble or a backward pass, a new Running Play begins when a player of either team establishes possession of the ball.
A Running Play ends:
(A.)When the ball is declared dead; or
(B.)When a runner loses or relinquishes possession by a Fumble or a backward pass; or
(C.)When a player of either team throws an illegal forward pass beyond the line of scrimmage or when there is not a line of scrimmage.
**Note: The running play includes the loose-ball action before a player gains or regains possession or the ball is declared dead.**
B. A teammate or opponent who recovers shall be credited with fumble yardage for any gain or loss from the point of recovery. For opponets’s recovery yardage, this includes yards gained to advance the ball out of their own end zone. *EXCEPTION*: when a teammate recovers behind the line of scrimmage, positive fumble yardage begins at the line of scrimmage. Yardage gained up to the line of scrimmage is used to reduce the negative fumble yardage of the fumbling player.
When a fumbled ball is touched, legally batted, or kicked by any player (including the player who fumbled), and the spot of this action is behind the spot of the fumble, charge the player who fumbles with yardage lost (in the category initiating the action) to the spot of the first such touch, bat, or kick; the rest of the rest of the yardage is loose-ball yardage. The act of forcing a fumble is not considered a touch. If any opponent eventually gains possession, his fumble yardage shall be credited from the spot at which he gains possession.
2-1-JAC 29 (9:41) (Shotgun) 16-D.Robinson up the middle to JAC 28 for -1 yards (95-J.Babineaux). FUMBLES (95-J.Babineaux), touched at JAC 30, recovered by JAC-88-A.Hurns at JAC 16. 88-A.Hurns to JAC 16 for no gain (20-P.Adams).
If a player (Denard Robinson) fumbles the ball behind the line of scrimmage(28 yard line) and the ball is touched/batted in front of the spot of the fumble(30 yard line) and the ball is than recovered 13 yards behind the line of scrimmage (16 yard line) by a teammate (Allen Hurns), the recovering player (Allen Hurns) can gain the yardage back for the fumbling player (Denard Robinson) up to the line of scrimmage, which than any yards gained beyond the line of scrimmage would be credited to the recovering player (Allen Hurns). Which should result in -13 yards for the fumbling player (Denard Robinson), on this play once the fumble was recovered it was not advanced from the point of the loss by the recovering player(Allen Hurns).
(Article 4. Loose Ball)
A Loose Ball is a live ball that is not in player possession, i.e., any ball that has been kicked, passed, or fumbled. A Loose Ball is considered to be in possession of the team (offense) whose player kicked, passed, or fumbled it. It is a Loose Ball until a player secures possession or until the ball becomes dead. If it has not yet struck the ground, a Loose Ball is In Flight.
(Article 5. Fumble)
A Fumble is any act, other than passing, handing, or legally kicking the ball, which results in a loss of player possession. The use of the term Fumble always means that the ball was in possession of a player when the act occurred.
(Article 3. Running Play)
A Running Play begins in the following situations:
(F.)If there is a running play followed by a fumble or a backward pass, a new Running Play begins when a player of either team establishes possession of the ball.
A Running Play ends:
(A.)When the ball is declared dead; or
(B.)When a runner loses or relinquishes possession by a Fumble or a backward pass; or
(C.)When a player of either team throws an illegal forward pass beyond the line of scrimmage or when there is not a line of scrimmage.
**Note: The running play includes the loose-ball action before a player gains or regains possession or the ball is declared dead.**
B. A teammate or opponent who recovers shall be credited with fumble yardage for any gain or loss from the point of recovery. For opponets’s recovery yardage, this includes yards gained to advance the ball out of their own end zone. *EXCEPTION*: when a teammate recovers behind the line of scrimmage, positive fumble yardage begins at the line of scrimmage. Yardage gained up to the line of scrimmage is used to reduce the negative fumble yardage of the fumbling player.
When a fumbled ball is touched, legally batted, or kicked by any player (including the player who fumbled), and the spot of this action is behind the spot of the fumble, charge the player who fumbles with yardage lost (in the category initiating the action) to the spot of the first such touch, bat, or kick; the rest of the rest of the yardage is loose-ball yardage. The act of forcing a fumble is not considered a touch. If any opponent eventually gains possession, his fumble yardage shall be credited from the spot at which he gains possession.
2-1-JAC 29 (9:41) (Shotgun) 16-D.Robinson up the middle to JAC 28 for -1 yards (95-J.Babineaux). FUMBLES (95-J.Babineaux), touched at JAC 30, recovered by JAC-88-A.Hurns at JAC 16. 88-A.Hurns to JAC 16 for no gain (20-P.Adams).
If a player (Denard Robinson) fumbles the ball behind the line of scrimmage(28 yard line) and the ball is touched/batted in front of the spot of the fumble(30 yard line) and the ball is than recovered 13 yards behind the line of scrimmage (16 yard line) by a teammate (Allen Hurns), the recovering player (Allen Hurns) can gain the yardage back for the fumbling player (Denard Robinson) up to the line of scrimmage, which than any yards gained beyond the line of scrimmage would be credited to the recovering player (Allen Hurns). Which should result in -13 yards for the fumbling player (Denard Robinson), on this play once the fumble was recovered it was not advanced from the point of the loss by the recovering player(Allen Hurns).
