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Scoring Problem (Vilma, Blocked FG, team loses by 1.2 points) (1 Viewer)

a_rackowski

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First here are a few of my comments. His email is logically correct. We use MFL.com.

We do not score for Blocked FG (my oversight - I should score for it). I posted the scoring system before the year and gave everyone a chance to critique. The problem is, his throught process makes perfect sense. However - I do not want to go back in the books and change records.

I need help making a decision as well as formulating a response to this guy. Carefully formulated because there is sure to be a response from him.

My Options:

1)Put it to a league vote - I truely think that the league would vote this down.

2)Just say no we cant change it, but then I am going to have a war with this guy - he is the kind of guy who will not give up his point of view(probably because he is a UW-Madison Grad).

3)Change the scoring and make a dramatic change in the standings. He goes from 1-1 to 2-0. The other team goes to 0-2 from 1-1.

Below I will post his logic.

Email #1

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Andy-

I will get right to the point:

Vilma blocks a field goal, recovers it, returns it 6 yards and I get

0 points!!

Are you serious???

Brady fumbles and I lose 4. The guy that caused the fumble gets 2

points. How can that be worth (-4 and +2) and a blocked field goal,

recovery and return is nothing (-4 for PK and 0 for block, recovery and

return). At the very least, how does the recovery not count as 2 points

for a recovered fumble. Below is taken from NFL.com:

"4-6-NYJ12 (1:15) S.Gostkowski 29 yard field goal is BLOCKED (J.Vilma),

Center-L.Paxton, Holder-J.Miller, RECOVERED by NYJ-J.Vilma at NYJ 3.

J.Vilma to NYJ 9 for 6 yards (S.Neal, W.Britt)."

The kicker got negative points for a miss and the guys that tackled

Vilma were credited with tackles (if they were on fantasy rosters they

would have gotten points). How can every one else involved in the play

get points except for the guy who had the biggest impact in the play,

not once but 3 times. This is equivilent to the QB taking (-4) for an

INT and the guy picking it off and returning it, nothing. The kicker

missed the FG because it was BLOCKED - if that is (-4) how can the block

be nothing! Just as the QB didn't complete the pass because it was

picked-off. The guy who picked it off gets points. (The QB is

penalized -5, just as the PK is penalized -4. However the guy that

picked it off gets +5 and the guy who blocked the kick, recovered it,

and returns it get 0.)

Oh by the way, I lost by 1.2 points!!

Sorry, but I am not going to go away quitetly on this one!

Hopefully, this is an error that can be corrected. If not, we have an

issue with the scoring. I would love to hear an explanation about how

that play is worth nothing. A safety is worth 6, a sack is worth 5 and

a blocked field goal 0, recovered blocked kick 0 and return on a blocked

kick 0. I am sure you see where I am coming from. Talk to you soon.

I know the season is already under way, however, even the Constitution

can be amended.

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email #2

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My revisions:

Blocked Kick (FG or punt) - 1 pt. Why? A pass defended is 1 point...at

the very least, this is equivalent to that. A defensive player knocked

the ball out of flight. (I believe it should be at least 3 points, up

to 6 points. Remember: an INT is 5 points and a safety is 6 points. A

FG block prevents 3 points from being scored. A safety only scores 2

and an INT can happen at the most meaningless times in a game. A FG

block may happen less often than a safety. I remember Andy saying the

safety was worth so much due to the rarity of it.)

Recovered Blocked kick (punt, FG and including on-side recovery) - 2

pts. Why? This is the same as any 'fumble' on any play. Vilma was

clearly on the defensive side of the ball at the start of a play when an

event during the play caused the ball to become live on the field.

Vilma recovered a live ball on the field of play when starting the play

on defense, that would be the definition of a 'recovered fumble'. Same

as any 'recovered fumble' scoring 2 pts. (I truly believe this is a

matter of word use. A "blocked kick" recovery is the same as a "fumble"

recovery.)

Return Yards on Turn-over (FG block, punt block, fumble, on-side kick

recovery and INT) - .1 pt for every 2 yards. Why? Actually this one is

debatable. Currently, there are no points assigned to return yards on a

fumble, on-side kick recovery, FG and punt block recovery - which I

think is an error. If INT's get .1 for every 2 yards, why wouldn't all

return yards on any "turn-over". I would term a "turn-over" as any play

where a player that was lined up on the defensive side of the ball when

the play began ends up with the ball in their teams' possession at plays

end. As far as I can think, FG block, punt block, fumble, on-side kick

and INT would be the ways this can happen.

At the minimum, my week 2 score should be revised by 3.3 points.

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I am guessing the response will be, "Everyone should have looked over

the rules before the draft. If anyone had any issues they could have

brought them up at that time. You have a good argument, BUT what can be

done?"

My response:

The scoring rules need to be changed retro-active week one. I do not

know if any other scores will be affected, but my week two score will.

There is no possible way that any one person (Andy) or 11 others (all

the other owners in the league who should have reviewed the rules) can

possibly think of all the scenarios that could arise during a season

that will affect the scoring. That doesn't mean mistakes (that nobody

caught or more importantly thought of) weren't made when drafting the

scoring system. The bigger mistake is not fixing obvious mistakes!

No, I do not think that anyone who has an issue (like not understanding

the waiver wire) can go to the commish crying about how the rules aren't

fair.

This is not one of those cases. I am not arguing over amount of points

awarded for an INT versus fumble recovery or how to pick up free agents.

This is a case of an obvious over-sight by all 12 owners. Obviously a

blocked kick is worth points. Obviously a recovered blocked FG is the

same as a recovered fumble, which is worth points. Obviously return

yards should be rewarded for ALL turn-overs, not only INT's.

I think all owners should be made aware of the scoring over-sights

WITHOUT bringing to their attention (minus Billy, Mike and Hybicki) that

an outcome of a game is on the line. (I would like see a poll put up

stating that a scoring over-sight has been found...no games will be

affected, but we need to revise the scoring. List the three points I

have above and I guarantee that the outcome of the poll would be in

favor of a revision.)

Andy, please realize I am not coming down on you or arguing with you.

Running a league has a million things to deal with (including owners

that cry about the league.) The scoring needs to be revised

retro-active the beginning of the year before more outcomes are affected.

Hey man, if this was a "let's have fun and get together to make Sundays

a little more interesting kind-of league," I would not be writing this

message. However, this is not! There is cash on the line and it cost

$140 to get in (to people that paid - I know, not me YET). These issues

and the others I brought up to you about FG's made and FG's missed need

to be adjusted retro-active the beginning of the year. We may have more

issues the same as this arise later on that have implications on money

paid out. No one thought of these scoring issues before the season.

However, that is not an excuse to do nothing.

Actually, we already have an issue that has implications on money paid

out! You know as well as I, that which teams make the playoffs usually

comes down to one game. That one game may have already happened to me

if nothing is done!!

 
If you want to avoid arguments, put it to a vote, and make sure it's clear about every game it would effect.

Personally, I'd tell him he's SOL, and we will make the correction next year. As you said, the scoring is the scoring, he looked at it, he OKed it, he can now stand by what he's already agreed to.

 
If your scoring system does not say you give points for a certain acheivement, then tell the guy tough $^. If your scoring system was posted prior to the season, then tough ()&$) for him too. I would tell him to stop whining and accept his loss.

 
If the rules aren't changed what are the chances he doesn't pay and abandones his team? I'd be pissed if I were him too.

 
That seems like a lot of time and energy to expend when your response should simply be "That is not the scoring approved by the league, we can re-address prior tio next season if you'd like to propose it."

 
That seems like a lot of time and energy to expend when your response should simply be "That is not the scoring approved by the league, we can re-address prior tio next season if you'd like to propose it."
:goodposting: The rules are the rules, you can't change scoring systems everytime someone whines, even if he makes a decent argument. Put the change to a vote for next year.
 
If the rules aren't changed what are the chances he doesn't pay and abandones his team? I'd be pissed if I were him too.
Abandoning the team isnt a concern. I wouldnt want to lose a player - especially a good player like him. That said, Other than this one oversight, this is a very well thought of league and there are hooters of guys(more than a handful) who would love to get into this league and I would not have a problem filling that spot should he choose to abandon.
 
If the rules aren't changed what are the chances he doesn't pay and abandones his team? I'd be pissed if I were him too.
So if a guy approves the scoring like everyone else, each time something that should be unscored arises that he thinks he should be awarded points you change the rules and award them to keep this bozo in the league? Here's some advice since you seem to be the same personality type who insists on re-writing rules midseason: Read the #%@$ scoring and comment before the season starts.
 
I do not support retroactive rules changes, ever.

Thank him for bringing the issue to your attention and tell him it will be addressed in the offseason. Be prepared to concede to a mid-season rules addition to address this issue going forward, if it is approved by a majority of owners. However you must hold firm against retroactive scoring changes. Oklahoma isn´t getting a retroactive W for the blown call against Oregon, and that mistake was far more egregious than missing a potential scoring opportunity in your league rules.

btw he knows that he has no leg to stand on when he says things like

I am guessing the response will be, "Everyone should have looked over

the rules before the draft. If anyone had any issues they could have

brought them up at that time. You have a good argument, BUT what can be

done?"
I am guessing this would be his response if someone else had this issue. You may want to point that out as well.Finally tell him that you will not, under any circumstances, move forward with this issue until you receive his league payment in full.

 
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Tough luck for him. Your rules do not give points for blocked FGs. As a commish you ALWAYS have to stick by your current rulebook. You cannot make changes during the season. Else, someone may have drafted differently.

Tell him to propose the rules changes in the offseason and put it to a vote.

 
Everyone approved of the rules. Would he be squawking if he won because of this error? I doubt it. Tell him you will add the rule next year but they are set and approved of by everyone including him.

 
tell him to move on, he OKd the scoring system at the begining of the year

maybe the changes go into effect starting this upcoming week, but Definately should NOT affect the outcome of the game he lost by 1.2 points

 
First of all,

You should not change league rules after the season has started as it would have drafting implications. Secondly, many leagues do not give points for special teams play. One of the leagues I am in is hosted on yahoo. Below is our scoring system. I am in many leagues that have different rules and I wouldn't join a league if I didn't know the rules. That would be stupid!!!!!!!!!!!

QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/R, K, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN

Stat Categories: Passing Yards (50 yards per point)

Passing Touchdowns (4)

Rushing Yards (25 yards per point)

Rushing Touchdowns (6)

Reception Yards (25 yards per point)

Reception Touchdowns (6)

Return Touchdowns (6)

2-Point Conversions (2)

Field Goals 0-19 Yards (2)

Field Goals 20-29 Yards (2)

Field Goals 30-39 Yards (2)

Field Goals 40-49 Yards (3)

Field Goals 50+ Yards (4)

Point After Attempt Made (1)

Sack (1)

Interception (1)

Fumble Recovery (1)

Touchdown (6)

Safety (2)

Points Allowed 0 points (10)

Points Allowed 1-6 points (7)

Points Allowed 7-13 points (4)

Points Allowed 14-20 points (2)

Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)

Points Allowed 28-34 points (0)

Points Allowed 35+ points (0)

Fractional Points: No

Negative Points: No

As you can see, this is a touchdown heavy league and no points are awarded for blocked kicks, recovering the ball or yards gained. This is not a fumble recovery, it is a special teams play and some leagues don't award points. Bottom line, NO way you change the rules. How fair is that to the other eleven teams?

I know, I have one of last years teams below. I'll get to it. :hey:

 
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Rules are rule...they shouldn't be changed during the middle of the season. The squeaky wheel shouldn't always get the grease.

 
That seems like a lot of time and energy to expend when your response should simply be "That is not the scoring approved by the league, we can re-address prior tio next season if you'd like to propose it."
The rules are the rules, you can't change scoring systems everytime someone whines, even if he makes a decent argument. Put the change to a vote for next year.
:goodposting: :goodposting: You simply cannot go changing the rules everytime someone loses on something like this.

Yes, his argument is reasonable, and if you're trying to figure out the scoring prior to the season then the point should be considered. "Why is a shutout worth 10 points, it should be worth 12, because it doesn't happen often!" "Safeties should be worth more than sacks" "He should/shouldn't get a bonus for reaching 100 yards, because it's a big feat".... all good points, but all moot once the season has started.

The scoring system is established prior to the season, and he could have commented on it previously. If he was in the other guy's shoes, you can bet he wouldn't be complaining (or, more likely, arguing vehemently AGAINST a rule change if the other guy did complain).

I would normally suggest having the league vote on this prior to the next season, but maybe you can at least agree that this should be voted on for the rest of the season. However, I would be very reluctant to allow a retroactive change because it really sets a bad precedent. Every week, when someone loses by a small margin, they're going to complain about the scoring.

I would just explain to him that you understand his pain, but any scoring changes HAVE to be locked to prevent going down that slippery slope. STARE DECISIS, BABY! (a legal term meaning, literally, "to stand by things decided").

 
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I have to agree with everyone else - changing rules in the middle of a season is a very bad idea. It will cause more problems then it's worth. If you were to change the rules, it very well could effect wins and losses down the line and the last thing you need is someone flipping out because they lost due to a blocked field goal in your leagues playoff rounds.

As an aside, I think it's also a bad idea to include blocked field goals in your scoring system, period. These types of things are basically blind luck - there is really no way to even attempt to predict how many blocked field goals a player might have in a season. You can take a good shot at predicting how many TDs Javon Walker might have, how many FGs Matt Stover might kick or how many yards Willie Parker might rush for. How many FGs Jonathan Vilma might block? Play the lottery, you'll have better odds.

Certainly, there is an element of luck in fantasy football, but good research and prep, more often then not, works out. It seems silly to reward players for completely unpredictable events in a football game. Why not give points for pancake blocks or take away points for the number of times a team uses a time out?

Just my $0.02.

 
As I said before, the debate on whether a blocked FG should be scored or not is irrelevant at this point. Either way, what was decided should stand now.

I'm in leagues where we lose points for missed field goals, for being sacked and throwing incompletions, and even return yards. I'm not a big fan of these rules, but I knew them going in and we all drafted accordingly.

 
If you want to avoid arguments, put it to a vote, and make sure it's clear about every game it would effect.Personally, I'd tell him he's SOL, and we will make the correction next year. As you said, the scoring is the scoring, he looked at it, he OKed it, he can now stand by what he's already agreed to.
:goodposting: you might also add that this is a game and that the intent of this game is to build upon friendships and not to destroy them. Is the scoring system fair? Not completely but no scoring system is 100% fair or perfect and neither is life. The most unfair thing in the NFL or fantasy football is unequal schedules in that not every NFL team plays every other team and some teams get a much easier schedule. Is it fair??? Of course not but NFL teams have to compensate for it and find a way to win despite the lack of fairness. Is it fair that your fantasy team faces the #1 fantasy team during the week that your studs are on a bye or have poor matchups? No but that's the best you can do and you move on and you do your best.This is completely up to you but if you think the scoring should be adjusted you could bend over backwards and put it up for league vote explaining the implications (go see if this would impact any other previously played head to head games) or you could make it easy on yourself and tell him that the rules aren't perfect but they are fairly applied to everyone.
 
People draft based on the rules in place at the draft. NEVER change the rules after the draft. If this happened in my league and a majority of the teams voted to pass it then I would quit the league.

 
Was it an oversight in your part for the rule for scoring. If so, fine. But if the rule did not exist last year and it was never an issue until this week, tough luck.

Can't make rule changes midseason unless you missed a scoring rule that already existed. You will never make everyone happy.

Worst case, put it to a vote. But I would say sorry, oversight we all missed.

 
So if a guy approves the scoring like everyone else, each time something that should be unscored arises that he thinks he should be awarded points you change the rules and award them to keep this bozo in the league? Here's some advice since you seem to be the same personality type who insists on re-writing rules midseason: Read the #%@$ scoring and comment before the season starts.
Hey Nancy, I agree with everyone else. Rules are rules and once the season starts there should not be any changes. Thanks foe the advice though. :thumbup:
 
Dear Commission:

I am currently 1-1, but with a few small changes that make sense, I could be 2-0. Please change the rules, I really want to be 2-0.

Thanks.

 
Dear Commission:I am currently 1-1, but with a few small changes that make sense, I could be 2-0. Please change the rules, I really want to be 2-0.Thanks.
Exactly.The whole exchange is ridiculous. If your league doesn't score for it, he doesn't get points for it. Period.
 
That sucks for him.....but too bad so sad, like others have said, just nicely tell him that the scoring system is in place and we can't review it until the off-season.

If he has a problem with that tell him that even the NFL doesn't revise rules during the season.

 
Your response options are

A) Yeah I decided to change the scoring to include FG blocks as worth 1.1 points

2) Yeah I decided to change the soring to give you 5 points for a FG block, 3 points for the recovery. Buuuut we gave your opponent 7 points because his QB called 7 audibles. The PPA league will really shoot Mannings value through the roof.

D) #### off

 
Tell him that he makes a good argument, but that the rules are the rules. His chance to comment on it was before the start of the season, not when it affected him negatively.

However, tell him that the only circumstance under which the rules can be changed after the start of the season is by the UNANIMOUS vote of all the league. Then set it up, secret ballot. That way, you are giving him his day in court. He can make the argument to the league.

 
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Just one more reply of "Sorry, but we can't change it this year. You have good points and we will bring them up before next year starts."

 
First, a rule every league should have that would have helped you in this situation.

1) All results are final as of the start of games the following week. Week 17 games, if any, are final as of the following Sunday at noon (or whatever).

2) All league fees must be paid X weeks prior to the draft. (The X weeks is to make sure you have ample time to find a replacement owner for a deadbeat. A deadline of "the draft" is problematic because what happens if a guy doesn't pay? Then you have to postpone your draft. So make it in advance.)

As for dealing with the situation, here is the stance I would take:

* If the setup does not match our agreed on league rules, I would change the setup and apply it to any games whose results were not considered final. However, that isn't the case here.

* He's made a great case for changing the rules for the future. That doesn't mean changes will be retroactive. His focus should be on changing it for the future.

* The only way I would allow a scoring system change in our rules mid-season would be with a unanimous vote of all owners. A single no and we stick with the rules we have. It isn't fair to change rule parameters after decisions were made based on those rules, so it has to be unanimous.

 
How important was Ben Roethlisberger's tackle of Nick Harper last year? How much was that worth? How about a punt return into the opponents red zone?

There are plays in every fantasy league that don't get accounted for.

 
Wow- I can't believe we are even discussing this.

You say you posted the scoring system before the year and gave everyone a chance to critique. I take it you did not receive a single complaint. END OF STORY.

 
Wow- I can't believe we are even discussing this.You say you posted the scoring system before the year and gave everyone a chance to critique. I take it you did not receive a single complaint. END OF STORY.
:goodposting: The more words he types, the more he's reaching for justification. His "Everyone should have looked over the rules before the draft. If anyone had any issues they could have brought them up at that time." is the only reply he needs and it can be changed in the offseason. He's SOL.
 
Dont change the score.

1. He had a chance to review the rules before the season

2. This same occurence happened week one ( i know detroit blocked 2fgs, not sure if anyone else did).. so this argument holds no weight

"There is no possible way that any one person (Andy) or 11 others (all

the other owners in the league who should have reviewed the rules) can

possibly think of all the scenarios that could arise during a season

that will affect the scoring."

This "crazy" scenario happened TWICE in ONE game the week prior.

 
How important was Ben Roethlisberger's tackle of Nick Harper last year? How much was that worth?
Standard tackle points for an IDP.

I assume this is how you score it in your league. Just a side note, especially for those that use MFL.com. When you setup the scoring, there are 'tackles' and 'defensive tackles' you can use. Tackles include tackles by offensive players on turnovers (as Roethlisberger above) and also tackles by players on special teams. In all the 8+ years of our league I don't think it's occured to the owners about awarding tackles for special teams or for offensive players. Our rules just say 1 pt per tackle.

At this point I'm going to make the entire league award of how it's being scored and if we have all 12 teams vote to change it going forward we will. As most of the posters have said before, I don't see why you would go back and change prior weeks.
 
I can't stand when people say "if this was a for fun league it wouldn't be a problem, but this isn't." That's a pet peeve of mine. The league isn't for fun? $140 is this guy's life savings, and the hundreds of dollars he stands to win is worth being a jerk in a league among friends?

You should treat a "for fun" league the same way you treat a money league. If he's willing to let it slide in a for fun league, he's given up his standing on this issue. He's saying that he knows he should let it go and chalk it up to a quirky play, but the money is talking. That's all you need to know.

That being said, I do agree that not fixing a known problem is as bad or worse than the original problem. I believe that you CAN fix an obvious issue, even if the season has started. But that's a pretty high standard, and this case doesn't meet it.

That's a wordy way of saying I agree with the other posters on this thread that say the play should stand.

 
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BigJim® said:
That seems like a lot of time and energy to expend when your response should simply be "That is not the scoring approved by the league, we can re-address prior tio next season if you'd like to propose it."
:goodposting: The rules are the rules, you can't change scoring systems everytime someone whines, even if he makes a decent argument. Put the change to a vote for next year.
:goodposting: ...and I agree with the above post.
 
-OZ- said:
BigJim® said:
That seems like a lot of time and energy to expend when your response should simply be "That is not the scoring approved by the league, we can re-address prior tio next season if you'd like to propose it."
:goodposting: The rules are the rules, you can't change scoring systems everytime someone whines, even if he makes a decent argument. Put the change to a vote for next year.
:goodposting: ...and I agree with the above post.
:goodposting: I agree too. Tell him to go spit. Rules are rules. Without them society would break down.
 
Tell him, "The reason your team is 1-1 and not 2-0 is because you are a crappy manager". :boxing:

More, "I'm not going to change the scoring because you can't read..... that would be unfair to managers who are literate." :boxing:

Ultimatum, "Don't even think of beaning out and quitting on the league or we will buy a trophy this year and call it the, Fantasy Champion in the year (Manager's Name) whined and quit like a little biaatch cuz Vilma's blocked FG counted as zero" :banned:

Ahh..... I love fantasy football :football: Give him hell. Post his email to the league cuz it makes him sound like a whiner.

 
If I whined like this guy about the scoring, I would've been labeled a pansy and would never hear the end of it. Tell this guy to let go of his mom's teat and live with his 1 point loss. Christ.

 
That sucks for him.....but too bad so sad, like others have said, just nicely tell him that the scoring system is in place and we can't review it until the off-season.If he has a problem with that tell him that even the NFL doesn't revise rules during the season.
Yeah, but NASCAR does :football: Sorry, couldn't help it.
 
Its a bad precident to set. What happens next week when a punt is returned 99 yards but no TD? revamp the league again? The rules are the rules, dont change them midseason. People draft based on an expected set of rules. Now this probably didnt affect anyones decision making... but then again you never know.

 
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Andy-

I will get right to the point:

Vilma blocks a field goal, recovers it, returns it 6 yards and I get

0 points!!

Are you serious???

Brady fumbles and I lose 4. The guy that caused the fumble gets 2

points. How can that be worth (-4 and +2) and a blocked field goal,

recovery and return is nothing (-4 for PK and 0 for block, recovery and

return). undefined Below is taken from NFL.com:

"4-6-NYJ12 (1:15) S.Gostkowski 29 yard field goal is BLOCKED (J.Vilma),

Center-L.Paxton, Holder-J.Miller, RECOVERED by NYJ-J.Vilma at NYJ 3.

J.Vilma to NYJ 9 for 6 yards (S.Neal, W.Britt)."

The kicker got negative points for a miss and the guys that tackled

Vilma were credited with tackles (if they were on fantasy rosters they

would have gotten points). How can every one else involved in the play

get points except for the guy who had the biggest impact in the play,

not once but 3 times. This is equivilent to the QB taking (-4) for an

INT and the guy picking it off and returning it, nothing. The kicker

missed the FG because it was BLOCKED - if that is (-4) how can the block

be nothing! Just as the QB didn't complete the pass because it was

picked-off. The guy who picked it off gets points. (The QB is

penalized -5, just as the PK is penalized -4. However the guy that

picked it off gets +5 and the guy who blocked the kick, recovered it,

and returns it get 0.)

Oh by the way, I lost by 1.2 points!!

Sorry, but I am not going to go away quitetly on this one!
Here's my problem with the logic. Beside the illogic of telling another league owner that you are taking his win away retroactively by inventing a new rule, the rule being proposed does not make sense. This is not the equivalent of a fumble recovery. A forced fumble changes possession. On a missed field goal the kicking team gives up possession at the spot of the kick anyway, at a minimum, for example when it sails wide. On a blocked kick it might be a bad snap, a bad hold, or a herculean effort by one OR MORE defensive linemen tipping the ball. What if there's a bad snap or the line breaks down so the kicker rushes it and boots it into several linemen? Should they all get points? Should some go to the players who got a hand on the ball and other points to someone else who didn't, but advanced the ball afterwards?

A player on either team might fall on the ball and it will be ruled dead there. Vilna falling on the ball would not be different than an offensive lineman falling on the ball in terms of possession.

I doubt the NFL even keeps definitive stats on who is responsible, individually, for a blocked kick. If it doesn't it would be hard to enforce a rule awarding IDP points for blocked kicks. If it does, but the rules don't award points for it currently, there is no reason to change them retroactively -- it could have been addressed earlier. If you award points to a DST or IDP who returns a blocked kick for a TD then you already have a reward, and the failure to reward a 6 yard advancement is just a transaction too minor (and rare) to merit inclusion in the point system.

There are lots of analagous scenarios. Let's say Vilna picked up a fumble during a regular offensive player and lateralled to another player who ran 6 yards and was tackled. Would there be points for the 6 yard advancement?

 

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