scoring question (1 Viewer)

[jburns]

i'm in a league where dst does not get td's for punt/kickoff returns but does get points for blocked kick returns/int/fumble recovery returns.

right now its not counting the cromartie td as a defensive td but was wondering what the consensus here was.

would it be more like a punt/kickoff return even though the field goal unit was in (and more of the defensive than punt return unit?)

all help is appreciated, thanks.

 

[BringItOn]

There may be precedent here... Hester did the same thing last season when he returned a short field goal.. Look back to how your league handled that one...

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Yahoo is scoring it as a Def TD

I am a bit worried as well as I think they might take the TD away from the DEF.

 

[ratpfink]

I'm confused about a scoring system that doesn't award defensive/special teams units any points when those units score a TD.

Hey, join my league. When your QB passes a TD, we don't give you any points!

 

[timintey]

It should be a Def TD since had the FG been good the points would count against your Def. That's how I'm arguing it in my league.

 

[Usual21]

We use WCOFF rules and the WCOFF rules give pts for a blocked FG that is returned for a TD. they do not give pts for a Missed FG returned for a TD.

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

I'm confused about a scoring system that doesn't award defensive/special teams units any points when those units score a TD.Hey, join my league. When your QB passes a TD, we don't give you any points!

I trust you understand the difference between a scoring play and a "unit". And I trust that your league DEFINES the points awarded for throwing a touchdown pass or making a touchdown reception -- as oppose to awarding points to the "offensive unit".League rules must define the play because the NFL doesn't officially provide "unit" stats.There is no need to include kick return touchdowns in your league rules just as it is not necessary to include points for yardage or extra points or field goals or sacks etc etc etc.added:the point being, to decide the points read your rules -- if you don't define kick return touchdowns and rely on your management software or a poll of this esteemed crowd then you are doing it wrong

 

[Bernman2]

If it were me, I would argue that it's the same as a blocked kick return for a TD.

Because how is a 'blocked kick' defined?

One way that could not be argued against is that a blocked kick is when 'The ball leaves the kicker's foot and is touched by a defender prior to going over the goalposts.' :whoosh:

This situation fits that definition, and that definition fits every blocked kick as well (although we all know the ball was already descending when the defender caught it - that shouldn't matter really).

Thus - this play could be defined as a blocked kick return for a touchdown... and you would get the points.

I call this 'creative interpretation.'

I would also suggest bringing up a new scoring rule for your bylaws next year to cover this.

 

[MG345]

If it were me, I would argue that it's the same as a blocked kick return for a TD. Because how is a 'blocked kick' defined? One way that could not be argued against is that a blocked kick is when 'The ball leaves the kicker's foot and is touched by a defender prior to going over the goalposts.' This situation fits that definition, and that definition fits every blocked kick as well (although we all know the ball was already descending when the defender caught it - that shouldn't matter really).Thus - this play could be defined as a blocked kick return for a touchdown... and you would get the points.I call this 'creative interpretation.' I would also suggest bringing up a new scoring rule for your bylaws next year to cover this.

Unfortunately, a blocked kick has a specific designation: I believe it is a kick that is touched by an opposing player, and does not travel passed the LOS. Any kick that goes passed the LOS, even if touched by an opposing player, is deemed as successful kick attempt.

 

[Birdie048]

Unfortunately, a blocked kick has a specific designation: I believe it is a kick that is touched by an opposing player, and does not travel passed the LOS. Any kick that goes passed the LOS, even if touched by an opposing player, is deemed as successful kick attempt.

I believe that is how MFL defines a Blocked FG. This is creating an issue since last year, it counted as a Def TD, but this year, it does not - using the same scoring system on MFL. If MFL changed their definition of Blocked and Missed, the league scoring needs to reflect it. I am going to check last year's events to see how they were recorded and scored. If they are the same, they get the points. Unfortunately, I am the commish and it's my opponent who played SD Def. But if it needs to be corrected, the league comes first. So what if it knocks me out of the playoffs!

 

[mad sweeney]

This is how RTS is scoring it:

The 109-yard missed FG TD by the Chargers is an OFFENSIVE special teams TD (since the ball passed the line of scrimmage on the kick.) The scoring for that play, including the length of the score, will be interpreted by your rules for a kickoff return TD.

I put it in red because they did since it was a "scoring alert".HTH

 

[BigSteelThrill]

This is how RTS is scoring it:

The 109-yard missed FG TD by the Chargers is an OFFENSIVE special teams TD (since the ball passed the line of scrimmage on the kick.) The scoring for that play, including the length of the score, will be interpreted by your rules for a kickoff return TD.

I put it in red because they did since it was a "scoring alert".HTH

Horrendously F.U.B.A.R.D.

 

[mad sweeney]

Unfortunately, a blocked kick has a specific designation: I believe it is a kick that is touched by an opposing player, and does not travel passed the LOS. Any kick that goes passed the LOS, even if touched by an opposing player, is deemed as successful kick attempt.

I believe that is how MFL defines a Blocked FG. This is creating an issue since last year, it counted as a Def TD, but this year, it does not - using the same scoring system on MFL. If MFL changed their definition of Blocked and Missed, the league scoring needs to reflect it. I am going to check last year's events to see how they were recorded and scored. If they are the same, they get the points. Unfortunately, I am the commish and it's my opponent who played SD Def. But if it needs to be corrected, the league comes first. So what if it knocks me out of the playoffs!

One thing that might change the way a missed and blocked FG is scored : the ball has to cross the line of scrimmage to change posession. So it's defensive if it's blocked and doesn't pass the LoS, offensive if it passes the LoS.

 

[mad sweeney]

This is how RTS is scoring it:

The 109-yard missed FG TD by the Chargers is an OFFENSIVE special teams TD (since the ball passed the line of scrimmage on the kick.) The scoring for that play, including the length of the score, will be interpreted by your rules for a kickoff return TD.

I put it in red because they did since it was a "scoring alert".HTH

Horrendously F.U.B.A.R.D.

What's the D. stand for?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

This is how RTS is scoring it:

The 109-yard missed FG TD by the Chargers is an OFFENSIVE special teams TD (since the ball passed the line of scrimmage on the kick.) The scoring for that play, including the length of the score, will be interpreted by your rules for a kickoff return TD.

I put it in red because they did since it was a "scoring alert".HTH

Horrendously F.U.B.A.R.D.

What's the D. stand for?

Its the past tense signification of FUBAR... guess I could have gone the F.U.B.A.R.'ed route. Sorry for the confusion.Joe: It was bad?

Dave: It was beyond bad.

Jason: It was fubard.

 

[jburns]

I'm confused about a scoring system that doesn't award defensive/special teams units any points when those units score a TD.Hey, join my league. When your QB passes a TD, we don't give you any points!

very funny.but seriously, its a deep league and many players like devin hester, leon washington, etc are rostered and started b/c of their return scoring.we just didn't think we should be awarding return touchdowns for both defenses AND the returner.

 

[Birdie048]

On August 23, 2007 My Fantasy League modified the Defensive Scoring Options. This was to the benefit of leagues that separate Defense and Special Teams as individual positions. This is the cause of the change in scoring this year from last year.

Now, since my league finalized Scoring and By Laws on August 1, how do we resolve this?

"Missed Field Goal Returned For A TD" Rule - To account for plays like Devin Hester's 108 yard TD in week 10 last year, we have two new league rules we support, and a change in the definition of two more, including:

1. Number of Missed Field Goal Return TDs - This is the number of missed field goals in a game that are returned all the way for a TD.

2. Length of Missed Field Goal Return TD - This is the length in yards of a missed field goal return TD. This rule is evaluated for EACH missed field goal return TD.

3. Number of Defensive & Special Teams TDs - This is the number of Defensive and Special Teams TDs scored. It includes Interception Return TDs, Opponent Fumble Recovery TDs, Blocked Punt TDs, Blocked FG TDs, Punt Return TDs, Kickoff Return TDs, and Missed FG Return TDs.

4. Length of Defensive/Special Teams TDs - This is the length in yards of a Defensive or Special Teams TD. It includes Interception Return TDs, Opponent Fumble Recovery TDs, Blocked Punt TDs, Blocked FG TDs, Punt Return TDs, Kickoff Return TDs, and Missed FG Return TDs.

You can add these rules to your exisiting league scoring rules via the For Commissioners > Setup > Scoring Setup > Custom Scoring Setup page.

 

[Lord of Football]

We use WCOFF rules and the WCOFF rules give pts for a blocked FG that is returned for a TD. they do not give pts for a Missed FG returned for a TD.

It appears that the WCOFF is right now...11.00 San Diego Chargers SDG D/ST SDG 17 FINAL MIN 35 1 TD, 53 tackles, 14 assists, 2 passes defensed, 1.0 sack, 2 FF, 2 FR