I didn't see a thread about this yet so I thought I would start one. Chris Ivory-gone, Pierre Thomas-gone, Colston-hurt knee, Jimmy Graham-doubtful, Jenkins the CB - doubtful, game is in Seattle with bad weather. All the pressure is on the Saints as they play against THE WORST PLAYOFF TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL. Do the Saints play to win or do they play not to lose? If they play not to lose, the 'Hawks have a chance. The 12th man will be at the game and hopefully as someone else joked, they will make up for the other 11. What do you guys think?
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Any Given Sunday. Can they get Pacino in there pregame?
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
It sounds to me like you're one Seahawk fan, brimming with confidence. A real believer in your team.
I am a realist, I think our team sucks, I think like the other poster says: "any given Sunday" and I think you are a sarcastic young lad.
CompetitiveEdgeFootball
Footballguy
Fwiw, Brees really wasn't "lights out" last weekend either, and he's throwin some picks this year... It's not totally out of the question the saints beat themselves and self destruct with turnovers and a one dimensional game plan.
Good point, I meant to mention that also, Brees has not been himself lately.
Gopher State
Footballguy
22 picks this year for Brees a new career high for him
f#$% it, it's over...Hass is starting.
Pete Carroll has just fell huge in my eyes. In Seattle, Hass is like a demi-god when it comes to the media. The fans, they aren't big Hass fans. But the media, it is really ridiculous. His old backup, Brock Huard, is his BFF and has 3 hours of air time each morning on the local ESPN radio channel. It's basically an infomercial for Hass and a political campaign ad against Whitehurst. This same radio channel actually brings an "analyst" named Tim Hasselbeck to talk about Hass vs Whitehurst --for those wondering why their names are similar, yes, Tim is Matt's own BROTHER. How the hell do you bring a brother to "analyse" the situation? Then, another former teammate and great friend, Dilfer comes on to talk about Hass. At the very least, Dilfer admitted that he was biased.
Anyways, I think the issue is that Pete didn't have the balls to start Charlie and sit Hass this game. He would have been fried by Hass' BFF Brock Huard, his brother, his mother, his aunt and his girlfriend who all probably have radio shows in Seattle, if he started Charlie and they lost. If Pete starts Hass and the Hawks lose, then it is an easy thing to say: "i started my veteran, the guy who's been here before, blah blah blah."
I think with Hass the chances of a victory go to ZERO. With Whitehurst, the potential was there to turn this into a low scoring, few possession, no turnover game at home. But now? No chance.
PRediction: Hass is sacked 5 times and has 3-4 TOs.
Pete Carroll has just fell huge in my eyes. In Seattle, Hass is like a demi-god when it comes to the media. The fans, they aren't big Hass fans. But the media, it is really ridiculous. His old backup, Brock Huard, is his BFF and has 3 hours of air time each morning on the local ESPN radio channel. It's basically an infomercial for Hass and a political campaign ad against Whitehurst. This same radio channel actually brings an "analyst" named Tim Hasselbeck to talk about Hass vs Whitehurst --for those wondering why their names are similar, yes, Tim is Matt's own BROTHER. How the hell do you bring a brother to "analyse" the situation? Then, another former teammate and great friend, Dilfer comes on to talk about Hass. At the very least, Dilfer admitted that he was biased.
Anyways, I think the issue is that Pete didn't have the balls to start Charlie and sit Hass this game. He would have been fried by Hass' BFF Brock Huard, his brother, his mother, his aunt and his girlfriend who all probably have radio shows in Seattle, if he started Charlie and they lost. If Pete starts Hass and the Hawks lose, then it is an easy thing to say: "i started my veteran, the guy who's been here before, blah blah blah."
I think with Hass the chances of a victory go to ZERO. With Whitehurst, the potential was there to turn this into a low scoring, few possession, no turnover game at home. But now? No chance.
PRediction: Hass is sacked 5 times and has 3-4 TOs.
CompetitiveEdgeFootball
Footballguy
I guess you can kinda make an argument for hasselbeck... He has some playoff experience. Either way they're going to have to run the ball a lot... Although I havent seen much from either QB this year I find it hard to believe based on what I've heard that Charlie is a significant upgrade over the vet... Especially with little starting experience and no playoff experience. Either way, with so little faith in the QB play surrounding this team, you're in bad shape.
Interesting perspective you have. For some reason I was thinking the exact opposite. I feel with his big game experience (he did lead Seattle to the Super Bowl) Hass gives Seattle the best chance of winning this game. Charlie with the exception of the 1st drive of the St. Louis game did not look all that good.
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gianmarco
Footballguy
Do you have this posted all over your home or something? It seems this is all you care to repeat in thread after thread as if this stat is of supreme importance and supersedes anything else.
valhallan
Footballguy
CompetitiveEdgeFootball
Footballguy
Brees also broke the single season record for completions this year............................................
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
I like the Seahawks alot in this game. Alot.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
No he didn't. He came up 2 short of breaking Manning's record.
paytonsdaman
Footballguy
Brees broke the single season record right before Manning broke Brees' record.
King of the Jungle
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Breesisdaman
Footballguy
As a long suffering Saints fan I admire your hope and enthusiasm for your team. This game however is going to be a tough one for you guys though. The Super bowl Champs are ready and focused and have not in any way looked passed the Seahawks. They are the better team in every category and will come and play like it. They are a very confident team and will not be playing not to lose as you hope. In fact, they will be hitting on all cylinders because Sean Payton now has his crisis. If you read his book you would know why creating the crisis was huge for them last year.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/418793-...bestseller-listThey will be more than focused I promise you.
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CompetitiveEdgeFootball
Footballguy
Ah..... someone who "gets it."
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Hsslebeck is beyond bad now. I dont think he can play mistake free football anymore and Seattle has to do that to win vs. NO
I agree.. when was the last time the Saints won on the road?... they never have.. and I think Seattle comes together and pulls out a close one. That said if Seattle does lose it will be by a large margin
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CompetitiveEdgeFootball
Footballguy
In other words.... Seattle either really has a shot to win in this one, or they totally get their asses kicked!
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Brees was within 15 yards (and one pass where Lance Moore did not turn around) of breaking Marino's record.He ties or sets or practically matches records for completion percentage, completions too. He has a Super Bowl ring. You've got a perennial sub-.400 franchise and this guy comes in, wins 2 division crowns, has 3 10+ win seasons, an NFL championship, brings in the 2nd best record in the NFC, all in 5 years.The complaining about the Saints getting too much / too little recognition does get tired, but come on the perception of Brees leading this battered team is not the same as we would be getting with P. Manning or some other great QB's, but that is indeed the tier Brees is on.
harryhood
Footballguy
Mike Williams is your game changer and a mismatch on most corners due to his size. He was on his way to a VERY nice game before getting injured in the Dome against New Orleans earlier this year. Plain and simple, Whitehurst and BMW don't have any chemistry. Hass knows where and how to throw it to Williams to be successful, and if you are going to have any shot in this game, I think he is going to need to see somewhere around the 7/90/1 mark.
Hass is your only shot to win this one, imo.
Hass is your only shot to win this one, imo.
The_Man
Footballguy
I like the Seahawks getting 10.5 I'm not saying they'll win, but I expect them to keep it close and cover. Forty degrees and rain doesn't benefit the Saints, and I'm not sold on Bush as a 20+ carry RB. The Saints are going to be one-dimensional and as good as Brees is, it's hard to be an efficient offense when an opponent doesn't have to respect your run. Also, Saints have not been great outside of late, losing at Baltimore and squeaking past Cincy and Dallas (quasi-outside).
As bad as Seattle has been, they're still 5-3 at home on the season. I think this will be a much more competitive game than a lot of people think.
As bad as Seattle has been, they're still 5-3 at home on the season. I think this will be a much more competitive game than a lot of people think.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Any given Sunday is correct, like "any given Sunday Jessica Biel is coming over my house to cook me supper in the nude then we will shag all night in front of a fire, she wakes up cooks me breakfast and off we go."
Thats about the same chances of happening as the Shizhawks winning a playoff game.
Thats about the same chances of happening as the Shizhawks winning a playoff game.
Gopher State
Footballguy
ok, I think ten fumbles are a career high for Brees something new for you. You just want to see blue sky when it comes to Brees, but the fact is his numbers are not that good this year. You seem to think INT's don't matter, the team with the most turnovers typically lose in NFL games, in case your not aware of that.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Oh, I'm aware. I watched the NFC championship game last year
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
While technically not a road game they did win the Superbowl away. That Monday night game two weekends ago in Atlanta for all purposes was a glorified playoff game because of what was at stake for both teams. The Saints have not been bad on the road except for the Arizona game way earlier in the season. This is not the 2006 Saints. These guys have traveled well.greenroom said:Mr. Retukes said:I agree.. when was the last time the Saints won on the road?... they never have.. and I think Seattle comes together and pulls out a close one. That said if Seattle does lose it will be by a large margin
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ThePittbully
Footballguy
Don't hold your breath
Mr. Bojangles
Footballguy
According to Vegas, the Hawks have a 16% chance. Not totally impossible.
valhallan
Footballguy
It's not all on Brees and that's been explained to you in other threads. He's the same player he's always been, but the pieces around him have been inconsistent compared to last year. Interesting that when Manning's supporting cast declines, the prevailing wisdom is that he's carrying the team and any mistakes are just him trying to win the game on his own. When Brees' supporting cast declines, people decide there's something wrong with him.Gopher State said:
Have you guys lost any receivers this year to injury? Have you lost your #1 stud TE? Maybe that could be it.
valhallan
Footballguy
Manning never lost Wayne, his hall of fame receiver who just happened to have a massive year. Regardless, I said nothing about receivers. As has been said several times in several threads, the Saints went from 6th in rushing to 28th and from two stud tackles to two matadors just letting pass rushers through all day. That's the difference with the offense. We're now back to the 2007-2008 version of the offense.
Further, if anyone would bother to look at Brees' career, you'd see his turnovers this year are not outlandishly high compared to his history. He averaged 22.5 turnovers his 1st four seasons in New Orleans. So I take umbrage with the insinuation that something has changed with Brees. He has not changed - he's the same player who completes upward of 70% of his passes for 4500 yards and 30 touchdowns along with 20-something turnovers. And Saints fans will take that all day.
If you want to say the Saints offense is struggling, I would absolutely agree. If you want to say Brees is struggling, I would posit you haven't been watching him the last 5 years.
gianmarco
Footballguy
cr8f
Footballguy
Well Brees and Colston could be kidnapped by crazy fans. Maybe then they'd have a 5% chance of winning.
ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
if Clemons/Curry and the rest of their pass rushers play out of their minds they have a realistic shot. the Saints will be one dimensional and as mentioned Brees hasn't been quite himself this year. He's missed alot of his weapons due to injury and lets not forget Brees himself has a torn MCL(or something similar) he's played thru for most the year. if they can get good pressure and Trufant is feeling well they got a shot to make some plays on defense. and either Brees will burn young Earl Thomas or Earl will show he belongs
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Spanked? Good one Quez. The Saints backed off by the time they found out Atlanta was up 14-0 with 4 minutes left in the first Quarter with the Panthers. The Saints would have rested their starters if it were not for the hope Carrolina might do something in foxes last game. They saw early it was hopeless and after Jenkins,Ivory and Graham sustained costly injuries early in the game it was just wise to call off the dogs at that point and save it for when it counts. The Bucs were in the game at that point so I am not saying it wouldnt be a fight with the Saints coming off a short week after a physical Monday night game against Atlanta but I have no doubt that if Atlanta were actually trailing in that other game things would have went a bit different for your Bucs. The Bucs have been the fortunate recipients of catching the Saints twice now after the Saints had clinched the playoffs and the games were meaningless so pound your chest if you like but it wont help you this year.
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proninja
Footballguy
Wat
texasbirdfan
Footballguy
The Saints blew their wad against Atlanta and played their best game of the year and almost lost and then gave up 6 days later against Tampa (watched that game between plays of Atlanta vs. Carolina). Since the Falcon played both (Seahawks and Saints) in weeks 14 and 15 I got to see that the Saints aren't all that "Super" (or the Packers for that matter). The Saints on the road, outdoors with injuries this year like the other teams may be in for more than they expect
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texasbirdfan
Footballguy
Watched both games back and forth- also heard the Superdome was not allowed to show the Atlanta score on their boards and the announcers made it sound like the players were not to know either. What I saw was the Saints found themselves in a game they were not going to win and THEN gave up and "rested" some starters
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Keep holding on to hope Falcons but your team can be beat even in your dome with Matty Ice at the helm and like Dilfer said, it can happen again.. Saints are pretty good against the Falcons recently. haven't they won 9 out of the last 11 games played? Im hoping for a rematch myself. Its going to be good.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
This is utter nonsense. The score was in the Dome and Payton kept up with it every step of the way he even admitted so in a press conference. Thats his business and he will only test fate (injury) when it means something.
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texasbirdfan
Footballguy
Dilfer is a paid ESPN tool to take sides and he has been on the other side of Atlanta each week of their 13 victories. We aren't talking Falcons Saints in this thread. We are talking Seattle vs New Orleans
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
That Tool correctly predicted the Saints would win the Superbowl last year when the other tools didnt. Falcon fans dont like him but I can understand that since he isnt a fanboy.
