Seahawks discussing contract with V Jackson (1 Viewer)

[whodeywhodey]

Seahawks discussing contract with V. Jackson

The Chargers have granted the Seahawks permission to discuss contract terms with unsigned and disgruntled wide receiver Vincent Jackson.

The story is confirmed by Seahawks GM John Schneider, so it's legit. While Yahoo's Jason Cole admits that "no significant progress has occurred to this point," sources say Chargers GM A.J. Smith is "committed" to trading V-Jax. The Bolts are convinced he will not play for them this year. The Seahawks are clearly underwhelmed with Deion Branch, and T.J. Houshmandzadeh is hardly a difference maker anymore. Jackson would give Seattle a bonafide deep threat who can dominate in the red zone and run game as a blocker. Aug. 20 - 5:53 pm et

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-j...nseahawks082010

 

[bostonfred]

Hasselbeck and Palmer are two guys who look very undervalued right now.

 

[Polish Hammer]

Seahawks discussing contract with V. Jackson

The Chargers have granted the Seahawks permission to discuss contract terms with unsigned and disgruntled wide receiver Vincent Jackson.

The story is confirmed by Seahawks GM John Schneider, so it's legit. While Yahoo's Jason Cole admits that "no significant progress has occurred to this point," sources say Chargers GM A.J. Smith is "committed" to trading V-Jax. The Bolts are convinced he will not play for them this year. The Seahawks are clearly underwhelmed with Deion Branch, and T.J. Houshmandzadeh is hardly a difference maker anymore. Jackson would give Seattle a bonafide deep threat who can dominate in the red zone and run game as a blocker. Aug. 20 - 5:53 pm et

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-j...nseahawks082010

Didn't the Seahawks acquire him under similar contract holdout/trade circumstances? Or am I remembering this incorrectly?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Seahawks discussing contract with V. Jackson

The Chargers have granted the Seahawks permission to discuss contract terms with unsigned and disgruntled wide receiver Vincent Jackson.

The story is confirmed by Seahawks GM John Schneider, so it's legit. While Yahoo's Jason Cole admits that "no significant progress has occurred to this point," sources say Chargers GM A.J. Smith is "committed" to trading V-Jax. The Bolts are convinced he will not play for them this year. The Seahawks are clearly underwhelmed with Deion Branch, and T.J. Houshmandzadeh is hardly a difference maker anymore. Jackson would give Seattle a bonafide deep threat who can dominate in the red zone and run game as a blocker. Aug. 20 - 5:53 pm et

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-j...nseahawks082010

Didn't the Seahawks acquire him under similar contract holdout/trade circumstances? Or am I remembering this incorrectly?

u right. was holding out for money with pats and then traded.

On August 25, 2006, the New England Patriots issued this statement, "The New England Patriots had given Deion Branch permission to seek a trade and negotiate a contract with other clubs. This permission was extend until September 1, 2006." This gave Branch six days to seek a trade with another team.

No trade was made, and Branch filed a grievance claiming that the Patriots violated an agreement by not completing a fair trade between them and a team willing to give Branch a contract extension.

Branch also had a non-injury grievance pending that the Patriots failed to negotiate in good faith; that grievance was to be heard first, though the NFL argued that both grievances are basically the same.

On September 11, 2006, Branch was traded to the Seattle Seahawks. The Patriots received a first round #24 pick in the 2007 NFL Draft from the trade which was used on University of Miami Safety, Brandon Meriweather.

 

[bulger2holt]

what's the compensation ?

 

[Donsmith753]

what's the compensation ?

Two 2nds? Same as Marshall?

 

[AngryPatriot]

Could this happen as far as the Seahawks having the cap room to sign him? I guess they must...

 

[pawpals7]

The trade is not going to happen, Jackson wants to much money

 

[Hooper31]

Could this happen as far as the Seahawks having the cap room to sign him? I guess they must...

Cap room?

 

[statman]

Is this not an uncapped season?

 

[Cassius]

Could this happen as far as the Seahawks having the cap room to sign him? I guess they must...

Follows Closely

 

[AngryPatriot]

That's right, no cap this year, my bad. Are they willing to commit that kind of money....

Thanks for the insult Cassius, classy.

 

[Hooper31]

That's right, no cap this year, my bad. Are they willing to commit that kind of money....Thanks for the insult Cassius, classy.

Wealthiest owner in the league (at least I think so). I'm thinking $ is not a problem here.

 

[Riffraff]

And the VJ suspension is now 6 games. 3 by the NFL, 3 by the Chargers.

Jackson and McNeill were officially placed on the roster exempt list Friday night -- both players received letters last week notifying them of the action -- which invokes a three-game suspension to be served after the player signs. If Jackson is traded, he would still serve the suspension with his new team.

Guess VJ should have signed on the dotted line with the Seahawks last night. He knew the deadline, but is holding out for more $$$ than Marshall got. Hurt his own trade options.And probably the reason the Seahawks want VJ.

 

[Nagle2998]

That's right, no cap this year, my bad. Are they willing to commit that kind of money....Thanks for the insult Cassius, classy.

Wealthiest owner in the league (at least I think so). I'm thinking $ is not a problem here.

Having it and wanting to spend or even overspend isn't the same thing from everything I have read the Twins owner is richer then the Yankees owner yet doesn't spend nearly as much. Another thing is every owner knows that eventually a cap will be put in place so overspending isn't a good idea.

 

[Hooper31]

Having it and wanting to spend or even overspend isn't the same thing from everything I have read the Twins owner is richer then the Yankees owner yet doesn't spend nearly as much.

Comparing the two sports isn't fair here. The Yankees make so much more money than the Twins its disgustingly unfair. The YES network guarantees that the Yankees will earn tons more every year than the Twins. In football all the owners share their revenue. They all make bank in the NFL.

Another thing is every owner knows that eventually a cap will be put in place so overspending isn't a good idea.

Totally understandable, but that's down the road. There is nothing from preventing Seattle from throwing a ton of cash at Jackson this year with minimal dollar amounts down the road.All this said, I'm not so sure I would want Jackson on the roster. I don't know how much of an upgrade he would be over what we currently have. I can't say that I've watched him enough to make a fair assessment. Does he have great hands, speed, etc? Or has Rivers made it easy for him to post solid stats?

 

[Reaper]

The trade is not going to happen, Jackson wants to much money

Same Agents as Revis.Roddy White as well - I bet he wants the same deal White got.....The way things sound from SD, I'm putting the Chargers on my list of teams that will never draft a Neil Schwartz player ever...

 

[Sweetness_34]

So again I ask....why is Rivers being valued so highly this year? Yes the schedule is easy with AFC and NFC West and Gates is a stud, but they have no real WRs to speak of and their RB is an unproven rookie. People knock Fitz off the historical ADP but Rivers seems to be great pick in the 4th or 5th round....why?

 

[craxie]

And the VJ suspension is now 6 games. 3 by the NFL, 3 by the Chargers.

The roster exemption (3 games) and suspension (3 games) can be served concurrently, so as long as he signs before the 1st game, he won't lose any extra timehttp://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/au...talked-jackson/

As for his pending suspension, if Jackson were to sign his tender by Sept. 4, the three games he has to miss because of his Roster Exempt status would be served concurrently with his suspension.

 

[Riffraff]

So again I ask....why is Rivers being valued so highly this year? Yes the schedule is easy with AFC and NFC West and Gates is a stud, but they have no real WRs to speak of and their RB is an unproven rookie. People knock Fitz off the historical ADP but Rivers seems to be great pick in the 4th or 5th round....why?

He spreads the ball around instead of zeroing in on a single WR. Less impact of losing the #1 WR, thus less tumbling down the charts for the QB. Some might say that Rivers is the type of QB that makes WRs look better than they are.

 

[Riffraff]

And the VJ suspension is now 6 games. 3 by the NFL, 3 by the Chargers.

The roster exemption (3 games) and suspension (3 games) can be served concurrently, so as long as he signs before the 1st game, he won't lose any extra timehttp://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/au...talked-jackson/

As for his pending suspension, if Jackson were to sign his tender by Sept. 4, the three games he has to miss because of his Roster Exempt status would be served concurrently with his suspension.

And if he doesn't get traded/signed early, he has to sign/report to the Chargers in week 7 instead of week 10 to get credit for the year.

 

[Hooper31]

Some might say that Rivers is the type of QB that makes WRs look better than they are.

As a Seattle fan this is my concern. I've seen it all too well like this in the past. It was sickening listening to people rave and drool all over Shaun Alexander when the real talent on those teams was Jones and Hutchinson.

 

[Ghost Rider]

The Seahawks are clearly underwhelmed with Deion Branch, and T.J. Houshmandzadeh is hardly a difference maker anymore.

In all fairness to Housh, he is not a number 1 WR. He is a great possession WR on a team with a really good number 1. That is why he did well in Cincinnati, because Chad (then) Johnson was the main guy to stop on defense, and Housh could run wild. Put Vincent Jackson on that team, and assuming they don't cut or trade him, you will see Housh be very productive again, assuming they get good QB play.

 

[mad sweeney]

And the VJ suspension is now 6 games. 3 by the NFL, 3 by the Chargers.

Jackson and McNeill were officially placed on the roster exempt list Friday night -- both players received letters last week notifying them of the action -- which invokes a three-game suspension to be served after the player signs. If Jackson is traded, he would still serve the suspension with his new team.

Guess VJ should have signed on the dotted line with the Seahawks last night. He knew the deadline, but is holding out for more $$$ than Marshall got. Hurt his own trade options.And probably the reason the Seahawks want VJ.

That's more the reason they got rid of Hamlin and Herndon than why they want VJ. Any rookie couldve made that play with those two ### clowns biting on the TE underneath route. I remember exactly where I was for that one...I'll be at the rematch this year, VJ won't be taking either team to victory.

 

[YKYW]

I just can't see the Hawks laying down that much cash PLUS the picks SD wants in return. I know SD will eventually have to budge if they want to trade him as they would lose him for nothing next year but still.

I think this one might actually go the distance. He very likely could go the 10 game suspension, come back, play hard for a few games and keep his stock high while lessening his chance for injury and hit the market. Then the Hawks could cut some bait (Branch) and sign him outright next year......if there is a next year!

 

[shader]

It's incredibly rare for a player to miss ten games. I wouldn't bet on it. In all likelihood, he'll be playing in week 4 somewhere.

 

[craxie]

just to update, Acee has changed his position slightly:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/au...talked-jackson/

if Jackson were to sign his tender by Sept. 4, the three games he has to miss because of his Roster Exempt status would be served concurrently with his suspension.

 

[TenTimes]

Having it and wanting to spend or even overspend isn't the same thing from everything I have read the Twins owner is richer then the Yankees owner yet doesn't spend nearly as much.

Comparing the two sports isn't fair here. The Yankees make so much more money than the Twins its disgustingly unfair. The YES network guarantees that the Yankees will earn tons more every year than the Twins. In football all the owners share their revenue. They all make bank in the NFL.

Another thing is every owner knows that eventually a cap will be put in place so overspending isn't a good idea.

Totally understandable, but that's down the road. There is nothing from preventing Seattle from throwing a ton of cash at Jackson this year with minimal dollar amounts down the road.All this said, I'm not so sure I would want Jackson on the roster. I don't know how much of an upgrade he would be over what we currently have. I can't say that I've watched him enough to make a fair assessment. Does he have great hands, speed, etc? Or has Rivers made it easy for him to post solid stats?

I think he's one of the most talented receivers in the league, and well worth the money he is asking for. I might be biased as I own him in a dynasty, but he is 6'5 230, all muscle, fast as heck, great hands. He's one of those guys who aggressively fights for the ball and with his size advantage over DBs, just throw it up in the endzone and he will make a lot of guys look like the JV. Plus he's only about 27 or 28 right now, can't remember off the top of my head. He'd be the cornerstone of the Seahawks passing game for years. That being said, he already has 2 DUIs, and the Chargers reluctance to pay him makes you wonder what's going on behind the scenes that we don't know about, or maybe its just the DUIs that worry the check writers? Either way, as a Seahawks fan I would like for them to grab him. He'd be an upgrade to Branch plus make Housh more effective and help open things up for the running game both with the attention he will draw and his run blocking.

 

[Gopher State]

Seahawks | Not interested in Vincent Jackson's asking price

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Sat, 21 Aug 2010 11:21:31 -0400

The Seattle Seahawks are not interested in what San Diego Chargers restricted free-agent WR Vincent Jackson is looking for in a long-term contract, sources told Kevin Acee, of the San Diego Union-Tribune. Jackson's agents are looking for a five-year contract worth $50 million with $30 million guaranteed.

 

[massraider]

This is a terribly interesting situation to follow right now as drafts approach/are happening.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I also heard the Vikings are interested in Vincent Jackson, has anyone else heard ths? I heard it on sports radio last night. It makes a little sense if Harvin and Rice are going to be injury hampered all year, leaves the Vikes kind of thin.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Some responses to previous posts, in no particular order:

1. Jackson is really good. Excellent size and speed, and he's become a solid all-round WR. He can be a deep threat or a possession receiver. He's an outstanding run-blocker as well (although that doesn't matter for fantasy purposes). He is not really a great open-field runner after the catch, but he does everything else well. He would be a significant upgrade for the Seahawks.

2. Rivers will be fine without Jackson, but that's off-topic to this thread.

3. Jackson doesn't need credit for this season. He already has five accrued seasons. If there is a new CBA next year, it will very likely make him an unrestricted free agent whether or not he plays this year.

4. The Chargers would get a third-rounder for Jackson if he walks as an unrestricted free agent next season. They're reportedly asking for a second-rounder for him this season. (That's from the SDUT article linked earlier in the thread.) What is turning the Seahawks off doesn't seem to be what the Chargers want as trade compensation — it seems to be Jackson's contract demands. He wants a $50 million contract with $30 million guaranteed.

5. I do think that, despite the DUIs, the Chargers really like Jackson's skills and on-field work ethic. If he had signed his original tender and come into camp, I think they'd offer him a long-term deal, either this year or next year. But they seem to be past that point now. With the holdout in the face of his off-field stupidity, I think he's played his last game as a Charger.

6. If he's not traded, I think the chance that he'll play this season is near zero. Like I said, he doesn't need the accrued season. And if he's expecting a $50 million contract, he doesn't need the currently-tendered $474K for playing 13 games — or $219K for playing six games. Even if the Chargers increased their tender back up to ~$3.3 million — which I don't think they're going to do — I rather doubt that Jackson would play for that.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Some responses to previous posts, in no particular order:1. Jackson is really good. Excellent size and speed, and he's become a solid all-round WR. He can be a deep threat or a possession receiver. He's an outstanding run-blocker as well (although that doesn't matter for fantasy purposes). He is not really a great open-field runner after the catch, but he does everything else well. He would be a significant upgrade for the Seahawks.2. Rivers will be fine without Jackson, but that's off-topic to this thread.3. Jackson doesn't need credit for this season. He already has five accrued seasons. If there is a new CBA next year, it will very likely make him an unrestricted free agent whether or not he plays this year.4. The Chargers would get a third-rounder for Jackson if he walks as an unrestricted free agent next season. They're reportedly asking for a second-rounder for him this season. (That's from the SDUT article linked earlier in the thread.) What is turning the Seahawks off doesn't seem to be what the Chargers want as trade compensation — it seems to be Jackson's contract demands. He wants a $50 million contract with $30 million guaranteed.5. I do think that, despite the DUIs, the Chargers really like Jackson's skills and on-field work ethic. If he had signed his original tender and come into camp, I think they'd offer him a long-term deal, either this year or next year. But they seem to be past that point now. With the holdout in the face of his off-field stupidity, I think he's played his last game as a Charger.6. If he's not traded, I think the chance that he'll play this season is near zero. Like I said, he doesn't need the accrued season. And if he's expecting a $50 million contract, he doesn't need the currently-tendered $474K for playing 13 games — or $219K for playing six games. Even if the Chargers increased their tender back up to ~$3.3 million — which I don't think they're going to do — I rather doubt that Jackson would play for that.

Good stuff MT

 

[identikit]

Chargers' Jackson, McNeill placed on the roster exempt list

The San Diego Chargers placed holdouts Vincent Jackson and Marcus McNeill on the roster exempt list Friday, reports the North County Times.

The team sent letters to both players last week informing them of the decision. The action initiates a three-game suspension, which will be served after each player signs.

As restricted free agents, Jackson was tendered at $3.268 million and McNeill at $3.168 million this offseason, but they want long-term deals that the Chargers appear unwilling to give. The players didn't sign their tenders by the June 15 deadline, so they each forfeited approximately $2.5 million because the team exercised its right to lower the dollar amount.

The Seattle Seahawks confirmed Friday that they have been granted permission to negotiate with Jackson, but a league source told NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora that neither a contract agreement with the Pro Bowl wide receiver nor a trade with the Chargers is close. The Washington Redskins have also shown interest in Jackson.

The Chargers have not shown any interest in putting McNeill on the trading block.

The Associated Press contributed to this report

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d819e...er-exempt-list-

 

[geoff8695]

I don't think anyone is going to pay what VJ is asking. As talented as he is, he comes with some baggage. 30 million guaranteed is unrealistic IMO.

 

[TenTimes]

But how much does missing this season hurt him when he goes to look for the same deal a year later, or will it not hurt as he will have more teams making him offers?

I wouldn't think this holdout would be much of an issue to the bidders, but can he miss a season of development, probably even regressing a little, and still command the same money?

 

[massraider]

3. Jackson doesn't need credit for this season. He already has five accrued seasons. If there is a new CBA next year, it will very likely make him an unrestricted free agent whether or not he plays this year.4. The Chargers would get a third-rounder for Jackson if he walks as an unrestricted free agent next season. They're reportedly asking for a second-rounder for him this season. (That's from the SDUT article linked earlier in the thread.) What is turning the Seahawks off doesn't seem to be what the Chargers want as trade compensation — it seems to be Jackson's contract demands. He wants a $50 million contract with $30 million guaranteed.

Great post Maurile.The above is really why I am staying away from VJax, especially for this season. Vjax already had his chance to blink, and he didn't. And if he wants the big contract, I have a tough time imagining any team looking to pay him stud money with a suspension looming, and having to give up a draft pick. If VJax was willing to take a bit less in order to get money NOW, I could see a deal happening. But it seems like his attitude is, I am a free agent, and I am not going to get into a long term deal that I don't like. He's a lot more interesting in keeper leagues right now.

 

[Gopher State]

I also heard the Vikings are interested in Vincent Jackson, has anyone else heard ths? I heard it on sports radio last night. It makes a little sense if Harvin and Rice are going to be injury hampered all year, leaves the Vikes kind of thin.

MOP their's nothing being said in Minny about Jackson(out loud anyway), however, the Vikings have put on hold signing either Jones or Walker, which some find interesting as the Vikes are really thin at WR. The owners of the Vikings have deep pockets, and want strong fan support to get a new staduim built, I can see the Vikes paying up to get Jackson.

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

How much of a bump up does Hasselbeck get if VJax does come to town?

Effect on Housh too?

 

[Ray_T]

Chargers' Jackson, McNeill placed on the roster exempt list

The San Diego Chargers placed holdouts Vincent Jackson and Marcus McNeill on the roster exempt list Friday, reports the North County Times.

The team sent letters to both players last week informing them of the decision. The action initiates a three-game suspension, which will be served after each player signs.

As restricted free agents, Jackson was tendered at $3.268 million and McNeill at $3.168 million this offseason, but they want long-term deals that the Chargers appear unwilling to give. The players didn't sign their tenders by the June 15 deadline, so they each forfeited approximately $2.5 million because the team exercised its right to lower the dollar amount.

The Seattle Seahawks confirmed Friday that they have been granted permission to negotiate with Jackson, but a league source told NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora that neither a contract agreement with the Pro Bowl wide receiver nor a trade with the Chargers is close. The Washington Redskins have also shown interest in Jackson.

The Chargers have not shown any interest in putting McNeill on the trading block.

The Associated Press contributed to this report

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d819e...er-exempt-list-

This is one of those situations where I'd fire my agent if I were that player.Grinding them for extra cash is really stupid when you are losing 19% off the top by not signing by the deadline. (37% for Vince due to his 3 game suspension that is already in place)

It is possible that the player just could be ego driven to a point where they dont wanna make less than (whoever) but I never really got this impression from Vince in the past, so I am inclined to think this is the agents fault.

dumb move.

 

[Hoart Petterson]

Who's the last guy to sit out a whole season? Sean Gilbert? I can't imagine either Jackson or Revis not playing at all this year. These guys are football players and football players play football. It's not like they have an infinite amount of time to play the game. Once the season starts both sides always soften a bit. The player feels like he's missing the thrill, the team feels they're better with him. The question is how effective will Jackson be after missing so much time and coming back to a team that has learned to play without him? I say he's back around week 7 and is a tad less than what he usually is fantasy-wise. Maybe a nice shot in the arm for a team who needs to upgrade at WR3 down the stretch.

 

[craxie]

Grinding them for extra cash is really stupid when you are losing 19% off the top by not signing by the deadline. (37% for Vince due to his 3 game suspension that is already in place)

The deadline for VJ to sign and not miss any (extra) games is Sep 4

 

[craxie]

If he had signed his original tender and come into camp, I think they'd offer him a long-term deal, either this year or next year. But they seem to be past that point now. With the holdout in the face of his off-field stupidity, I think he's played his last game as a Charger.

i never understood this, what difference does it make if a player holds out?if you were going to offer them a long-term contract, what has changed to make it suddenly impossible?i don't doubt that you are correct they won't, i just don't understand their reasoning here

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Who's the last guy to sit out a whole season? Sean Gilbert? I can't imagine either Jackson or Revis not playing at all this year. These guys are football players and football players play football. It's not like they have an infinite amount of time to play the game. Once the season starts both sides always soften a bit. The player feels like he's missing the thrill, the team feels they're better with him. The question is how effective will Jackson be after missing so much time and coming back to a team that has learned to play without him? I say he's back around week 7 and is a tad less than what he usually is fantasy-wise. Maybe a nice shot in the arm for a team who needs to upgrade at WR3 down the stretch.

Do you think he's going to sign the $583K tender? If not, what kind of contract do you think he'll end up playing under this season? One-year deal? Long-term deal? What kind of numbers? (I know you'd be guessing — we all are. But what's your best guess?)

 

[Hoart Petterson]

Who's the last guy to sit out a whole season? Sean Gilbert? I can't imagine either Jackson or Revis not playing at all this year. These guys are football players and football players play football. It's not like they have an infinite amount of time to play the game. Once the season starts both sides always soften a bit. The player feels like he's missing the thrill, the team feels they're better with him. The question is how effective will Jackson be after missing so much time and coming back to a team that has learned to play without him? I say he's back around week 7 and is a tad less than what he usually is fantasy-wise. Maybe a nice shot in the arm for a team who needs to upgrade at WR3 down the stretch.

Do you think he's going to sign the $583K tender? If not, what kind of contract do you think he'll end up playing under this season? One-year deal? Long-term deal? What kind of numbers? (I know you'd be guessing — we all are. But what's your best guess?)

They'll get him in for the year for more than the 583K. No chance they sign him to a long term deal at this point. I'll go against the grain and say they do sign him long term after the season unless some team breaks the bank for the guy. On a side note I say Revis plays week 2 at the latest.

 

[craxie]

They'll get him in for the year for more than the 583K.

AJ has already promised that the tender offer will NOT be raised

 

[GroveDiesel]

Can anyone name a single player that sat out 10 or more games in a season as a holdout and ever had an impact in the NFl again?

 

[Hoart Petterson]

They'll get him in for the year for more than the 583K.

AJ has already promised that the tender offer will NOT be raised

I get that they have to play hardball but I think they find a way do sweeten it in some marginal way. You want the guy to feel like they want him there, even the smallest of concessions could do it.If Floyd/Nanee come out gangbusters maybe they stick to their guns but i just don't believe in either player.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Pains me to say it, but from VJax's position, if he does indeed get a long term deal from the Hawks, he absolutely did the right thing holding out and not signing the tenders.

 

[tommyGunZ]

They'll get him in for the year for more than the 583K.

AJ has already promised that the tender offer will NOT be raised

I get that they have to play hardball but I think they find a way do sweeten it in some marginal way. You want the guy to feel like they want him there, even the smallest of concessions could do it.If Floyd/Nanee come out gangbusters maybe they stick to their guns but i just don't believe in either player.

I've always liked VJax - he's smart and hard worker despite his dumb mistakes off the field w/re to alcohol - but I don't think the drop off will be that great. As Maurile mentioned, VJax is an outstanding run blocker, which is probably the skill that will be missed most as Floyd is below average in that department. I like Mathews' ability to break through the 2nd level and think that VJax's blocking would have been far more valuable this season as opposed to the last two when LT never got to the secondary.But I really don't want AJ to give him a long term extension. Rivers makes VJax, not the other way around. The offense is built around Rivers identifying and throwing to the best matchup on any particular play, as opposed to the Chargers game planning to get VJax the ball and going from there. As much as he doesn't deserve a huge deal either, I'd much rather AJ blow his wad on McNeil.