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[Foosball God]

Owning? Not even close, put Owens on a team with a stud QB, and you will see "owning"

I think your confusing owning with MOANING. I would take Harrison, Holt and Steve Smith everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.And this is the first time I have EVER agreed with Sean Salisbury. I root for the studio to explode when he and Irvin are in it.

I think Harrison benefits greatly from his raport with Manning. Take him off the Colts and I think you'd see a good, but not great WR.Holt would be my choice as the best receiver in the NFL right now.

 

[flapgreen]

Torry Holt please he's got something like 50 less Tds than TO on a team that throws the ball a gazillion times.

Coming into this season, Holt has had 6 straight seasons of at least 80 catches AND at least 1,300 receiving yards. Owens has not had 1,300 yards since the 2002 season. He hasn't caught at least 80 balls since 2003. Since 2003, Holt has scored 38 touchdowns. Owens has scored 35.

 

[dgreen]

Owens is the scariest receiver after the catch in the NFL. Holt is the most consistent and Smith is the most explosive overall. Harrison has the best hands.

The best post in this thread.

I agree.Why are people always trying to figure out who ise the "best". Which is better, an apple or an orange?

An orange is better, by far.And, how is Owens the scariest after the catch? Where can I find YAC data?

 

[TwinTurbo]

Owning? Not even close, put Owens on a team with a stud QB, and you will see "owning"

I think your confusing owning with MOANING. I would take Harrison, Holt and Steve Smith everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.And this is the first time I have EVER agreed with Sean Salisbury. I root for the studio to explode when he and Irvin are in it.

I think Harrison benefits greatly from his raport with Manning. Take him off the Colts and I think you'd see a good, but not great WR.Holt would be my choice as the best receiver in the NFL right now.

I disagree. Manning benefits just as much from Harrison. The guy is an almost perfect WR. It's almost the same debate as Joe Montana/Steve Young and Jerry Rice. They are all great players. I think Steve Smith is the best WR in the game right now. But Holt, Owens, and Harrison are just as talented, each in their own unique way. Roy Williams and Boldin are also physical freaks that are dominating their position.

 

[Foosball God]

Owning? Not even close, put Owens on a team with a stud QB, and you will see "owning"

I think your confusing owning with MOANING. I would take Harrison, Holt and Steve Smith everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.And this is the first time I have EVER agreed with Sean Salisbury. I root for the studio to explode when he and Irvin are in it.

I think Harrison benefits greatly from his raport with Manning. Take him off the Colts and I think you'd see a good, but not great WR.Holt would be my choice as the best receiver in the NFL right now.

I disagree. Manning benefits just as much from Harrison. The guy is an almost perfect WR. It's almost the same debate as Joe Montana/Steve Young and Jerry Rice. They are all great players. I think Steve Smith is the best WR in the game right now. But Holt, Owens, and Harrison are just as talented, each in their own unique way. Roy Williams and Boldin are also physical freaks that are dominating their position.

I didn't mean to imply that Manning doesn't benefit from it. Just that trying to capture that timing with another quarterback would be extremely difficult and that would drop him down.

 

[The Rook]

Owning? Not even close, put Owens on a team with a stud QB, and you will see "owning"

I think your confusing owning with MOANING. I would take Harrison, Holt and Steve Smith everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.And this is the first time I have EVER agreed with Sean Salisbury. I root for the studio to explode when he and Irvin are in it.

I think Harrison benefits greatly from his raport with Manning. Take him off the Colts and I think you'd see a good, but not great WR.Holt would be my choice as the best receiver in the NFL right now.

I disagree. Manning benefits just as much from Harrison. The guy is an almost perfect WR. It's almost the same debate as Joe Montana/Steve Young and Jerry Rice. They are all great players. I think Steve Smith is the best WR in the game right now. But Holt, Owens, and Harrison are just as talented, each in their own unique way. Roy Williams and Boldin are also physical freaks that are dominating their position.

I didn't mean to imply that Manning doesn't benefit from it. Just that trying to capture that timing with another quarterback would be extremely difficult and that would drop him down.

Actually, you're onto something here. Yes, Harrison has built a rapport with his QB... Why aren't we listing that as a critical skill along with hands, route running, yards after the catch... TO would flunk the QB rapport building category.

 

[Brother Mouzone]

The only players i can tolerate being compared to TO are Steve Smith and Randy Moss on a good day that's it. I don't ever wanna heart about Marvin Harrison again when he never had a signature playoff game or moment. He never stepped up just like his choking QB Manning. TO has The Catch part 2, The Superbowl and the playoff game against the Giants where he stepped up big time...Marvin was just lucky to have the best regular season qb of all time throwing him the ball and Torry Holt please he's got something like 50 less Tds than TO on a team that throws the ball a gazillion times. Smith is right up there with TO though. Putting up monster stats with an average Qb, no second option to take pressure off of him and a very dominant playoff performance. I also like how some of you manipulates things to make ur arguments look better. For example how TO played 4 seasons with Young as his qb. He played 3 years with Young one of em was his rookie season where he definitly was the 3rd WR and just to let u know The Great Donovan Mcnabb has only one season with a completion % over 60 guess wich one

hard to argue with that. except owens has 3 seasons on holt and holt has always had a very solid #2 on the other side of the qb.

 

[Juice4080]

Torry Holt please he's got something like 50 less Tds than TO on a team that throws the ball a gazillion times.

Coming into this season, Holt has had 6 straight seasons of at least 80 catches AND at least 1,300 receiving yards. Owens has not had 1,300 yards since the 2002 season. He hasn't caught at least 80 balls since 2003. Since 2003, Holt has scored 38 touchdowns. Owens has scored 35.

You calling this owning someone? I call this typical stats manipulation. He failed to mention that since 2003 holt played 54 games while owens only played 44 and i also wanna know why did he use that specific period?

 

[Fantasy Bum]

You guys have to stop with the disrespect for Harrison. The guy is an amazing receiver. He's quick, run's great routes, and has incredible hands!! Best of all, he is a true professional and doesn't feel the need to cry and ##### on the sidelines to his QB. When he scores a TD, he gives the ball to the ref. And Manning benefits more from him than Marvin does his QB. If you put Marvin with the likes of a Drew Brees or Jake Delhomme, he'd still be awesome!

It's funny how when NFL cornerbacks were asked who the best wide receiver in the league was, the majority said Harrison.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8797270

 

[fatness]

You calling this owning someone? I call this typical stats manipulation. He failed to mention that since 2003 holt played 54 games while owens only played 44 and i also wanna know why did he use that specific period?

Why did Owens play fewer games? And how can playing fewer games possibly mean better production either in the NFL or in fantasy football?

 

[matuski]

Owens is the scariest receiver after the catch in the NFL. Holt is the most consistent and Smith is the most explosive overall. Harrison has the best hands.

The best post in this thread.

No Steve Smith is scarier YAC.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Owning? Not even close, put Owens on a team with a stud QB, and you will see "owning"

I wouldn't call Marc Bulger or Jake Delhomme "stud QBs," but Tory Holt and Steve Smith seem to "own" all the time just fine. But feel free to continue to make excuses for TO.

What excuses are people making? Post their avearage career stats per game played for their career, then we'll see who the better WR is.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Owning? Not even close, put Owens on a team with a stud QB, and you will see "owning"

Up until 3 weeks ago, every QB he played with had been to the pro bowl.

and early in his career Randy Moss made average QBs into pro bowlers as well. How many pro bowls did Jeff Garcia go to without TO?

 

[Assani Fisher]

Garcia made him better, not the reverse.

this might be the most laughable statement I've EVER read on these boards

 

[Assani Fisher]

I agree Owens is having a down year but he's on pace for over a 1000 yards and 12 Tds and i have no doubts he's gonna better those projections with Romo at QB now. I don't think there's a hands down best WR this year and for the guy who posted Marvin Harrison playoffs stats that's all u have to make his case? A 133 yards and 2 Tds in a blowout win? When im talking about a signature playoff performance u noticed how i haven't used stats because great performances u don't need stats to remember them. sorry but nobody will ever remember those 133 yards and 2 tds in 10 years because they had no impact on the outcome of the game....As far as Torry Holt is concerned without looking at the stats i remember Isaac Bruce coming with the big catches at crucial moments more than Holt for all it's worth

10 years from now, all TO will be remembered for is a team wrecker! He didn't make a difference in any playoff game that I can remember. I'll remember him most for walking up and down the sideline berating his QB on multiple teams.

Well, that and attempting suicide.

He failed at that too BTW. Here is the record YTD for suicide attempts amongst the WRs mentioned in this thread:

TO 0-1

Harrison 0-0

Holt 0-0

S. Smith 0-0

But, heck, I guess you gotta give him credit for trying! Now that was memorable.

Dude, you're looking horrible here...he has one of the most clutch catches in the history of football to win that GB game.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Owens: 150 games, 135 games started, 760 rec for 11093 yards, and 109 TDs

Harrison: 162 games, 160 games started, 979 rec for 13029 yards, and 115 TDs

Holt: 118 games, 108 games started, 664 rec for 10111 yards, and 61 TDs

Smith: 69 games, 48 games started, 306 rec for 4390 yards, and 69 TDs

 

[Ghost Rider]

Torry Holt please he's got something like 50 less Tds than TO on a team that throws the ball a gazillion times.

Coming into this season, Holt has had 6 straight seasons of at least 80 catches AND at least 1,300 receiving yards. Owens has not had 1,300 yards since the 2002 season. He hasn't caught at least 80 balls since 2003.

Since 2003, Holt has scored 38 touchdowns. Owens has scored 35.

You calling this owning someone? I call this typical stats manipulation. He failed to mention that since 2003 holt played 54 games while owens only played 44 and i also wanna know why did he use that specific period?

Why did I use that specific period? Do you want to use stats from 2001 to decide who the best WR is in 2006? Basically, if you look at the last 3 1/2 seasons, Holt has been more productive than Owens. That is not speculation. That is fact.

Holt playing in more games than Owens since then also proves that he is either a) more durable, or b) not a team cancer than gets himself suspended. In other words, at least one more reason why Holt is a better overall player and wide receiver. Intangibles do matter when it comes to stuff like this.

I agree Owens is having a down year but he's on pace for over a 1000 yards and 12 Tds and i have no doubts he's gonna better those projections with Romo at QB now. I don't think there's a hands down best WR this year and for the guy who posted Marvin Harrison playoffs stats that's all u have to make his case? A 133 yards and 2 Tds in a blowout win? When im talking about a signature playoff performance u noticed how i haven't used stats because great performances u don't need stats to remember them. sorry but nobody will ever remember those 133 yards and 2 tds in 10 years because they had no impact on the outcome of the game....As far as Torry Holt is concerned without looking at the stats i remember Isaac Bruce coming with the big catches at crucial moments more than Holt for all it's worth

10 years from now, all TO will be remembered for is a team wrecker! He didn't make a difference in any playoff game that I can remember. I'll remember him most for walking up and down the sideline berating his QB on multiple teams.

Well, that and attempting suicide.

He failed at that too BTW. Here is the record YTD for suicide attempts amongst the WRs mentioned in this thread:

TO 0-1

Harrison 0-0

Holt 0-0

S. Smith 0-0

But, heck, I guess you gotta give him credit for trying! Now that was memorable.

Dude, you're looking horrible here...he has one of the most clutch catches in the history of football to win that GB game.

I wouldn't call it one of the most clutch catches in the history of football (especially since the win didn't result in a title for the 49ers; they lost the following week in the second round), but it was a great catch. However, it is worth noting that Owens had numerous big drops in that game, which was a major reason why they were still behind at that moment.