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Seattle's running back situation was no committee today (1 Viewer)

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I remember reading somewhere that Carroll said he would still be evaluating the RB's early the season before deciding on a lead back.

Well, it looks like he has decided on Justin Forsett as the clear starter. There was absolutely no committee today in Seattle's backfield. Forsett played almost exclusively with Leon Washington only coming in to spell him. Julius Jones didn't play at all. This was a huge departure from last weeks game in which the Seahawks kept rotating between Forsett, Jones and Washington.

This is potentially a pretty big development if the Seahawks stick with this. The Seahawks have a pretty favorable schedule and Forsett's receiving abilities would make him quite valuable especially in PPR leagues. For those who didnt see the game today it appeared that Forsett was the back for over 85% of all Seattle's plays today. The Seahawks almost never had the ball in the 2nd half because of Washington's two kickoff returns for TD's but Forsett still managed over 90 combined yards in the game. The Seattle OL is still having problems creating holes and Justin isn't the type of back who can power for yards but when given a hole he can hit it hard and create big plays.

Btw, Forsett was the back in Goal Line situations as well.

 
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So how did he look? What could you consider his style to be? What are your projections at this point? (for the homers) Will he ever be more than a bye week filler this year?

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Though Forsett didn't accumulate a ton of rushing yards or a TD, he looked pretty good. He hit the hole hard, and a lot of times, made something out of nothing. Though Seattle's o-line has been good in pass protection, they are struggling getting to the next level in run blocking. Also, Forsett had two attempts at the goal line, but Seattle ran the ball out of the shotgun and the blocking was horrible. The rest of the game, Seattle threw in the red zone, except for one head scratcher with Hass on a QB sneak.

If you have read any of the other Seattle RB threads, Forsett is the guy to own here. Washington is a CoP guy, and Jones seems to be getting phased out completely. The problem is Seattle has not gotten their run game going, as much as they would like. Okung coming back, the line getting settled, and the easy run schedule should have some better games for Forsett in the future. Right now, he is a flex play at most, unfortunately.

 
On the one hand its good for him that he was essentially the only back getting carries.

On the other hand Seattle's offense looked mediocre to poor most of the night. Carlson looks good but the rest didn't. Without Washington's 2 100 yard returns and SDs 5 TOs they are getting blown the #### out in that game. IOWs I don't see just Forsett as a winning formula for them, and if Washington looks like that again he will play himself back onto the field.

 
baconisgood said:
On the one hand its good for him that he was essentially the only back getting carries. On the other hand Seattle's offense looked mediocre to poor most of the night. Carlson looks good but the rest didn't. Without Washington's 2 100 yard returns and SDs 5 TOs they are getting blown the #### out in that game. IOWs I don't see just Forsett as a winning formula for them, and if Washington looks like that again he will play himself back onto the field.
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I don't want to take anything away from Washington. He second return was impressive because he was almost tripped up yet kept his balance while moving forward the whole time. But, SD's kickoff coverage looked horrible.Washington has had a chance in the backfield especially in the first two games but Forsett has just looked quicker. Washington certainly may get more involved as he gets healthier but he isn't 100% yet.
 
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baconisgood said:
Without Washington's 2 100 yard returns and SDs 5 TOs they are getting blown the #### out in that game. IOWs I don't see just Forsett as a winning formula for them, and if Washington looks like that again he will play himself back onto the field.
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Did you watch the game? Seattle dominated the first half. You are saying take away 5 turnovers, but how about take away Seattle's miscues in the red zone? Seattle should have been up three TDs. Regardless, Washington's value is ST, and CoP. Washington even admitted this himself at the beginning of the year, that he performs best when he gets 5-10 touches a game.
 
gary mexico said:
I dont see what the big deal is. If 60 yards and no TD's is your thing then yeah, he's real good at that. :lmao:
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Forsett played about 85% of the teams snaps. That alone makes him valuable because there is only a few guys in the league that play that much. He also had over 30 yards receiving and in week#2 had a running TD called back due to a hold. Forsett is more valuable in PPR leagues without a doubt but the the only reason he may still be under the radar a bit is because he hasn't score a TD yet. TD's are hard to predict and the Seahawks probably won't score a lot of them but he plays in goal line situations and some TD's will come.
 
gary mexico said:
I dont see what the big deal is. If 60 yards and no TD's is your thing then yeah, he's real good at that. :goodposting:
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It's all about finding guys who will get opportunities. If Forsett is a 15-20 touch guy then he's worth discussing.Considering all the discussion about guys like Keiland Williams, Ryan Torain, Kareem Huggins, LeGarrette Blount etc. who have combined for maybe 20 touches all season the real surprise is that more people aren't talking about Forsett.
 
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gary mexico said:
I dont see what the big deal is. If 60 yards and no TD's is your thing then yeah, he's real good at that. :goodposting:
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With a large bulk of the starting rb's in the NFL getting dinged up the past 2 weeks it is in your best interest to learn about guys like Forsett. He is getting an opportunity and for some of us with guys that are injured he maybe in our lineups sooner rather then later based on necessity. For me its between Lynch or Forsett next week. With the abysmal play calling of Gailey it looks like Forsett will get the nod.
 
gradin123 said:
baconisgood said:
On the one hand its good for him that he was essentially the only back getting carries.

On the other hand Seattle's offense looked mediocre to poor most of the night. Carlson looks good but the rest didn't. Without Washington's 2 100 yard returns and SDs 5 TOs they are getting blown the #### out in that game. IOWs I don't see just Forsett as a winning formula for them, and if Washington looks like that again he will play himself back onto the field.
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I don't want to take anything away from Washington. He second return was impressive because he was almost tripped up yet kept his balance while moving forward the whole time. But, SD's kickoff coverage looked horrible.Washington has had a chance in the backfield especially in the first two games but Forsett has just looked quicker. Washington certainly may get more involved as he gets healthier but he isn't 100% yet.
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I disagree. Washington's returns make him indispensible in the return game, especially on a team with a flawed offense which needs as many chances for points and field position as possible. This will limit his carries on offense. Forsett is a good RB. He's analogous to Emmitt Smith in that he does not have impressive measurables but is shifty with good vision and good ability to avoid hits while essentially wrigling through for a few more yards. His primary deficiency as compared to Emmitt is that his o-line is far worse, though he may be a marginally better receiver.

 
I have to agree with the original poster. The team is still adjusting to a new coaching scheme and there have been plenty of miscues. I think those will clean themselves up and when they do there will be more scoring opportunities. Right now I would be looking to add Forsett as a throw in on a bigger deal. His value is very low and he could be big down the stretch. If you are a believer now is the time to buy, the schedule is pretty soft.

 
Nightly Mistake said:
Any more thoughts on this?

Did Carroll make any statements about this situation in his Monday presser?
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By Greg Johns via Seattle PIhttp://blog.seattlepi.com/football/archives/222776.asp

Forsett is the man for now: While Carroll has been reluctant to anoint Justin Forsett as the full-time starter at running back, the facts spoke for themselves Sunday when the third-year back from Cal had 17 carries for 63 yards.

Justin Forsett

Leon Washington had one carry and Julius Jones didn't get any offensive snaps.

"We've definitely gone that way and this was the first week we said let's get him as much as we can and let's see what happens," Carroll said of Forsett. "He played a good, solid game and had a big 28-yarder and all.

"But the competition in my mind is not closed at all. We wanted to see what happened when Justin got the ball more than 7-8 times in a game. We just fed it to him a little more. We're still growing, trying to figure it out. But that's where we are right now and nothing will change this week in that regard."

As for Jones' role?

"He's right there and ready to help us at all times," Carroll said. "We're just trying to get a sense for it. ... This is a long season and the competition remains and all that. We have a starter right now. That's what I can tell you."
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Plus Okung and Pitts are supposedly practicing this week. Not sure if they will be in the game on Sunday, but it is a good sign. The line should improve it's run blocking once it is settled.

 
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MG345 said:
Though Forsett didn't accumulate a ton of rushing yards or a TD, he looked pretty good.
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Hmm. Just checked my league's scoring rules and we don't actually get points for just looking good: we actually have to have players do something. :pickle:
 
Shutout said:
MG345 said:
Though Forsett didn't accumulate a ton of rushing yards or a TD, he looked pretty good.
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Hmm. Just checked my league's scoring rules and we don't actually get points for just looking good: we actually have to have players do something. :lmao:
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So, you don't get points for nearly 100 total yards and a handful of catches? That placed him at RB20 in my league's scoring system. That is better than a lot of RBs did last week If you want to add something to the discussion feel free, but trying to mock my comment just makes you look like an ###. The reason I said he looked good, is because Seattle still hasn't gotten in to the groove on offense, and once/if they do Forsett will be the guy to get the carries. It just hasn't happened yet, partly due to a new system and an unsettled line, also playing some reasonable tough defenses. Seattle has a pretty easy schedule this year, and if Seattle can get things going, Forsett will have opportunities to put up points. Fantasy football is all about finding that next gem, even if it is a RB3 with RB2 upside. Guys like that can win your leagues for you with a couple of good games down the stretch. So you can try to be :unsure: as you want, but you are just being asinine for no reason.

 
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Shutout said:
MG345 said:
Though Forsett didn't accumulate a ton of rushing yards or a TD, he looked pretty good.
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Hmm. Just checked my league's scoring rules and we don't actually get points for just looking good: we actually have to have players do something. :lmao:
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Then again, if the head coach of an NFL team is endorsing a starting player, it means that that player has one more week where he'll be starting.
 
Shutout said:
MG345 said:
Though Forsett didn't accumulate a ton of rushing yards or a TD, he looked pretty good.
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Hmm. Just checked my league's scoring rules and we don't actually get points for just looking good: we actually have to have players do something. :lmao:
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This is a pretty stupid and useless post. Forsett has value and will continue to display that with the return of Okung and some cohesion with Carroll's influence.Quit being a d-o-u-c-h-e.

 
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"With a large bulk of the starting rb's in the NFL getting dinged up the past 2 weeks it is in your best interest to learn about guys like Forsett."

That is sensible, good advice. I watched him last week, he's got talent.

 
Scruff Mcgruff said:
Anyone considering playing him against the Rams this week? I'd do it but I can't pull the trigger of Forsett over Bradshaw
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As of right now I'm pulling the trigger on Forsett as my flex over an injured Andre Johnson. The Rams stink and Forsett is a starting RB who can also catch the ball out of the backfield. He's a good RB2.
 
I need some RB depth and just got rejected in a trade I put out for Forsett. I'm thinking of picking up Leon off of waivers. I know he didn't get any carries last week but his two TD returns may have had something to do with that.

According to Carroll the RB competition "is not closed at all." Forsett and Washington have similar skill sets and I think both are much better options that Julius Jones but am still not convinced either emerges as a RB you can rely on.

I think it will still be a week to week thing and you have to hope than whenever you have to insert one into your lineup that they produce. Of course I would rather have Forsett but I think Washington will still be a factor here.

 
VaTerp said:
I need some RB depth and just got rejected in a trade I put out for Forsett. I'm thinking of picking up Leon off of waivers. I know he didn't get any carries last week but his two TD returns may have had something to do with that.

According to Carroll the RB competition "is not closed at all." Forsett and Washington have similar skill sets and I think both are much better options that Julius Jones but am still not convinced either emerges as a RB you can rely on.

I think it will still be a week to week thing and you have to hope than whenever you have to insert one into your lineup that they produce. Of course I would rather have Forsett but I think Washington will still be a factor here.
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While I believe that this in part reflects that the team lacks a clearly elite back who is the unquestioned starter, I also strongly believe that part of this is Carroll's motivation to have competition on his roster, as a carrot for guys like Jones and Washington. He did this all the time at USC. So yes, it's the proverbial "ploy to motivate".
 
VaTerp said:
I need some RB depth and just got rejected in a trade I put out for Forsett. I'm thinking of picking up Leon off of waivers. I know he didn't get any carries last week but his two TD returns may have had something to do with that. According to Carroll the RB competition "is not closed at all." Forsett and Washington have similar skill sets and I think both are much better options that Julius Jones but am still not convinced either emerges as a RB you can rely on.I think it will still be a week to week thing and you have to hope than whenever you have to insert one into your lineup that they produce. Of course I would rather have Forsett but I think Washington will still be a factor here.
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For what it is worth, Carrol holds the mentality that pretty much every position on the field is "not closed at all". And I am sure that if Forsett struggles, and Washington excels, Forsett will see the bench. But, Washington has been big on ST this year, and I doubt they want to take that away. And like I posted early, the Hawks really haven't gotten the O-line to gel, and haven't been great in run blocking. Forsett is getting just about every yard that is available and then some. If he keeps running this way, he will get the large majority of carries this year. On top of it, his pass blocking has been great, and he is catching the ball out of the backfield well. Granted, these are also things that Washington does well, but still, stick with Forsett.
 
MG345 said:
baconisgood said:
Without Washington's 2 100 yard returns and SDs 5 TOs they are getting blown the #### out in that game. IOWs I don't see just Forsett as a winning formula for them, and if Washington looks like that again he will play himself back onto the field.
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Did you watch the game? Seattle dominated the first half. You are saying take away 5 turnovers, but how about take away Seattle's miscues in the red zone? Seattle should have been up three TDs. Regardless, Washington's value is ST, and CoP. Washington even admitted this himself at the beginning of the year, that he performs best when he gets 5-10 touches a game.
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I did not see a dominant SEA team in the 1st half. A. 3 and outB. 2 1st downsC. 3 and out D. Their 1st FG drive was 1 big running play from Forsett and 3 negative running plays- not a good combo in general as teams that consitntly get 0 yards on running plays find themselves in lots of 3rd and longs. Carlson had a big catch, but like I said he looked good. E. PICKF. Two -1 yard rushes by Forsett, a few big passes move the ball well.Nothing in the first half made them look dominant. Carlson looks good, their running game looks very inconsistent.
 
I'm sure the Seattle fan base will pass out when I post this but I think he's an excellent buy low right now. Seattle has a cake schedule and while I don't believe they are a very good team, that doesn't matter. Forsett has 30 carries the last 2 weeks, he's a great bye week filler moving forward and you might come across a match up you can exploit later in the season when their OL has a couple months to work together.

Very soft run schedule coming up.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I'm sure the Seattle fan base will pass out when I post this but I think he's an excellent buy low right now. Seattle has a cake schedule and while I don't believe they are a very good team, that doesn't matter. Forsett has 30 carries the last 2 weeks, he's a great bye week filler moving forward and you might come across a match up you can exploit later in the season when their OL has a couple months to work together.Very soft run schedule coming up.
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I agree completely. There aren't many RB situations around where there is one guy and while he may not have a terrific run team and may not be an every week start, I think he'll be a great spot start vs some of the weaker teams. You probably could get him for a song in most leagues (decent wr if you're deep there) so the risk is limited.
 
Banger said:
Ministry of Pain said:
I'm sure the Seattle fan base will pass out when I post this but I think he's an excellent buy low right now. Seattle has a cake schedule and while I don't believe they are a very good team, that doesn't matter. Forsett has 30 carries the last 2 weeks, he's a great bye week filler moving forward and you might come across a match up you can exploit later in the season when their OL has a couple months to work together.Very soft run schedule coming up.
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I agree completely. There aren't many RB situations around where there is one guy and while he may not have a terrific run team and may not be an every week start, I think he'll be a great spot start vs some of the weaker teams. You probably could get him for a song in most leagues (decent wr if you're deep there) so the risk is limited.
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I got him straight up for Mark Clayton in an old school league - 2RBs, 3WRs, no PPR. With that format, RBs are still quite valuable. I didnt need a RB (have great starters and a good third in the AZ Backfield), but I saw too much upside in Forsett, and it only takes one big game to create a lot of trade value - or if you are hurting at RB, just starting value.
 
Koya said:
Banger said:
Ministry of Pain said:
I'm sure the Seattle fan base will pass out when I post this but I think he's an excellent buy low right now. Seattle has a cake schedule and while I don't believe they are a very good team, that doesn't matter. Forsett has 30 carries the last 2 weeks, he's a great bye week filler moving forward and you might come across a match up you can exploit later in the season when their OL has a couple months to work together.Very soft run schedule coming up.
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I agree completely. There aren't many RB situations around where there is one guy and while he may not have a terrific run team and may not be an every week start, I think he'll be a great spot start vs some of the weaker teams. You probably could get him for a song in most leagues (decent wr if you're deep there) so the risk is limited.
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I got him straight up for Mark Clayton in an old school league - 2RBs, 3WRs, no PPR. With that format, RBs are still quite valuable. I didnt need a RB (have great starters and a good third in the AZ Backfield), but I saw too much upside in Forsett, and it only takes one big game to create a lot of trade value - or if you are hurting at RB, just starting value.
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It's only week 4 and there's A LOT of football to be played. That's exactly the type of trade I was talking about...trading Clayton isn't going to hurt you IMO, he's decent wr but you probably picked him up two weeks ago.
 
I've probably pulled/inserted Forsett into my lineup 3 times this week. I just worry that Carroll could pull a 180 and give Leon those carries this week. Either back could probably be effective vs. the Rams. So if Leon is the first to bust one, look out...

 
baconisgood said:
Nothing in the first half made them look dominant. Carlson looks good, their running game looks very inconsistent.
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I wasn't talking about the running game specifically. For what it is worth, I would step away from the stats, and actually watch the game if you want to comment on anything.
 
C-Bound said:
I've probably pulled/inserted Forsett into my lineup 3 times this week. I just worry that Carroll could pull a 180 and give Leon those carries this week. Either back could probably be effective vs. the Rams. So if Leon is the first to bust one, look out...
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What makes you think he'll even get the shot. Leon's carries have been 6, 4, 1...that trend is going the wrong way and he has a total of 29 yards. Forsett's have gone 7, 8, 17. Don't overthink it.
 
Hooper31 said:
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gradin123 said:
Btw, Forsett was the back in Goal Line situations as well.
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So how come he doesnt have any rushing TDs?
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See Seattle's Offensive line, it's pretty bad.
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It's actually held up quite well, considedring the change over.
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I have to agree. So far I'm pleasantly surprised.
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There is potential for this line to be above-average if Okung can come in and play at a high level once he's got enough reps in the system. Do any of you local guys have a bead on how healthy he actually is now? I'm a Forsett owner in multiple Dynasty leagues so I'd like to know.Thanx,MW
 
Banger said:
C-Bound said:
I've probably pulled/inserted Forsett into my lineup 3 times this week. I just worry that Carroll could pull a 180 and give Leon those carries this week. Either back could probably be effective vs. the Rams. So if Leon is the first to bust one, look out...
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What makes you think he'll even get the shot. Leon's carries have been 6, 4, 1...that trend is going the wrong way and he has a total of 29 yards. Forsett's have gone 7, 8, 17. Don't overthink it.
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Forsett is in my lineups in the leagues where I own him. Rams have only allowed 1 rushing TD so far, but are 25th in the NFL averaging 133.7 rushing yards allowed per game - Forsett should have a shot at 100+ yards rushing and receiving combined, with a decent shot at one TD
 
Banger said:
C-Bound said:
I've probably pulled/inserted Forsett into my lineup 3 times this week. I just worry that Carroll could pull a 180 and give Leon those carries this week. Either back could probably be effective vs. the Rams. So if Leon is the first to bust one, look out...
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What makes you think he'll even get the shot. Leon's carries have been 6, 4, 1...that trend is going the wrong way and he has a total of 29 yards. Forsett's have gone 7, 8, 17. Don't overthink it.
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Seahawks coach Pete Carroll wants to find more ways to get the ball to RB Leon Washington, who returned two kickoffs for touchdowns in Week 3 against the Chargers. "After seeing him score and put up 250 yards of returns, it would be nice to get the ball in his hands a few more times," Carroll said.I doubt he means by creating more kickoff situations for the opposition.
 
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One of my biggest pet peeves is the "Did you actually watch the games?" argument that people seem to think is somehow effective or important.

For the record it is possible for two people to watch the same game and still come to different conclusions.

And none of us are professional football scouts so let's just have fun with our speculation and take it for what it is.

I like Forsett right now but I think he will be on a short leash all season. While I don't think Julius Jones is any kind of threat (we have likely seen everything he has to offer over the past 6 seasons) Leon could be. Forsett is the frontrunner but this is clearly a week to week situation.

 
Mark Wimer said:
There is potential for this line to be above-average if Okung can come in and play at a high level once he's got enough reps in the system. Do any of you local guys have a bead on how healthy he actually is now? I'm a Forsett owner in multiple Dynasty leagues so I'd like to know.Thanx,MW
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He has been practicing all week at LT, with Polumbus moving over to RT to cover Locklear who has been out this week with a knee injury. I think the injury to Locklear, and the release of Pitts, puts a little but more motivation on Carrol to get Okung back into the lineup sooner. They had said that they wanted to work him in slowly this week, but that was also under the impression that Polumbus would be at LT.
 
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