Selig Must GO (1 Viewer)

[greenroom]

Well with the Mitchell Report out and he does say that everyone in Baseball played a part in the Steriod Era. It is time for him to step up and assume his responsibility for his lack of actions.

It is really nice that he wants to play hardball at this point, but this is after he almost killed the game with the canceling of the World Series due to a work stoppage in 1994. He then turned a blind eye to the steroid era, because it made baseball important again in the sports world. And he made a ton of money got baseball.

If we are going to really going to clean MLB up we need to start at the top.

BUD MUST GO

 

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[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Absolutely, this guy is a flim flam man of the first pedigree. Truly a used car salesman, and its gauling to watch him mete justice now after being ignorant, at best, of the crimes at hand.

 

[Eephus]

The time is ripe for Bud to move on and screw up some other national pastime.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

The time is ripe for Bud to move on and screw up some other national pastime.

Judges and Stewards Commissioner for the International Arabian Horse Association?

 

[Knightro]

The time is ripe for Bud to move on and screw up some other national pastime.

Judges and Stewards Commissioner for the International Arabian Horse Association?

Given how badly Bud has screwed up baseball, he's perfectly qualified to run FEMA while Bush is still in office

 

[Eviloutsider]

Bud has done more to help the sport of MLB than any other commish out there (inlcuding Tagliabue).

 

[dparker713]

The time is ripe for Bud to move on and screw up some other national pastime.

Judges and Stewards Commissioner for the International Arabian Horse Association?

Given how badly Bud has screwed up baseball, he's perfectly qualified to run FEMA while Bush is still in office

Yes, Bud helped cause a WS to be lost. But his overall record isnt too shabby since then. He's the first commish to get the players to cave somewhat. He pushed through luxury taxes and revenue sharing. He's over seen the largest ballpark building in the history of the game. He's gotten drug testing in (though late in the game), and he's responsible for both interleague play and the new playoff/division structure (though I can see peopole thinking those are bad). And on his watch revenues in baseball have exploded to never before seen levels. Selig is controversal and should remain so, but in no way is he an abject failure as FEMA has been under Bush.

 

[MrPhoenix]

Bud has done more to hurt help the sport of MLB than any other commish out there (inlcuding Bettman Tagliabue).

Fixed

 

[Night Hawks]

Here's a theory (and please feel free to poke holes in it ... isn't that what theories are for?): Bud Selig truly has the best interests in baseball in mind. However, when he took over and even up until today, he has been in a position against the MLB Players Union, arguably the most powerful union ever. Definitely the most powerful sports-related union. No matter what he wanted to do, he'd have to put the ideas through the MLBPA first. There was not much he could do because the MLBPA was powerful. But lately, he's had the chance to put the union in a defensive position, which, in the theory, is why he chose to go ahead with the report unilaterally. I think Selig is no fool. He wants to be remembered. But at the same time, he's been the commissioner during a time when selfishness is king. ANd when selfishness has the power of the MLBPA behind it, it's hard to stop.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Bud has done more to help the sport of MLB than any other commish out there (inlcuding Tagliabue).

Uhh, David Stern off your radar?

 

[Eephus]

The time is ripe for Bud to move on and screw up some other national pastime.

Judges and Stewards Commissioner for the International Arabian Horse Association?

Given how badly Bud has screwed up baseball, he's perfectly qualified to run FEMA while Bush is still in office

Yes, Bud helped cause a WS to be lost. But his overall record isnt too shabby since then. He's the first commish to get the players to cave somewhat. He pushed through luxury taxes and revenue sharing. He's over seen the largest ballpark building in the history of the game. He's gotten drug testing in (though late in the game), and he's responsible for both interleague play and the new playoff/division structure (though I can see peopole thinking those are bad). And on his watch revenues in baseball have exploded to never before seen levels. Selig is controversal and should remain so, but in no way is he an abject failure as FEMA has been under Bush.

The tendency with any Chief Executive is to give him too much credit for things that go right or wrong during his tenure. Most decisions (except for the tied All-Star game fiasco) are analyzed by Selig's inner circle of advisors. The growth of new ballparks can be credited more to a boom economy, aging of the 50s-70s stadiums and the Camden Yards experience of urban ballparks sparking urban renewal. But the ballpark that Selig had the most influence over, Miller Park in Milwaukee, is one of the few new parks that were constructed outside the vicinity of downtown, so Selig's Brewers could retain parking revenues at the old County Stadium site. The economic state of the game was fueled by cable TV and the new stadiums rather than Selig's leadership. The takebacks from the MLBPA have been few and far between. The relative labor peace since 1995 has been driven by a mutual need to preserve the golden goose than by any any fundamental power shift. Interleague play and the wild card are nits.Baseball has 3 1/2 months until opening day. There need to be changes made to start restoring the credibility of the game. His replacement will still serve at the pleasure of the owners, so he won't have the power to effect major changes. But even empty pronouncements will sound better if they don't come out of Bud's mouth. Selig as a front man is a symbolic disaster area. His dull public speaking style, perpetually sour expression and ill-fitting suits have never inspired confidence. But now he's lost even more credibility among the fans, the media, the Players and Congress.Somebody's head has to roll following the Mitchell Report. Selig is better cast as a fall guy than a Commissioner anyway. He's been the head man longer than any of his predecessors except for Judge Landis. At this point, he can do more for baseball by leaving than by staying in office. I've been critical of him but I've never doubted his sincere love for the game. The man almost single handedly brought Major League Baseball back to Milwaukee, for which I am honestly grateful. But it's time for a pitching change. Hand over the ball Bud.

 

[trogg78]

It is really nice that he wants to play hardball at this point, but this is after he almost killed the game with the canceling of the World Series due to a work stoppage in 1994.

You really have a thing for the melodrama. Almost killed the game? That has to be a joke.

He then turned a blind eye to the steroid era, because it made baseball important again in the sports world. And he made a ton of money got baseball.

This should be a non issue at this point in time. I think the steroid issue is over and its time to move on. Bud should have acted sooner, but his actions have been noble. He really has been improving the game and I would like to see him continue. All of these issues are off the field, and I doubt any commish would have been able to handle them flawlessly, which seems like what you expect.

If we are going to really going to clean MLB up we need to start at the top. BUD MUST GO

At this point in time, what needs to be cleaned up? It looks like Bud has already taken care of most of the cleaning. I love baseball...I probably love it more than ever going into the 2008 season....I am excited....and I am glad this steriods report is done.BTW...screw you for making me defend Bud...I just wouldn't want to see some other dooshbag commishing baseball....I have kind of grown fond of Bud's dooshbagedness.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Well with the Mitchell Report out and he does say that everyone in Baseball played a part in the Steriod Era. It is time for him to step up and assume his responsibility for his lack of actions. It is really nice that he wants to play hardball at this point, but this is after he almost killed the game with the canceling of the World Series due to a work stoppage in 1994. He then turned a blind eye to the steroid era, because it made baseball important again in the sports world. And he made a ton of money got baseball. If we are going to really going to clean MLB up we need to start at the top. BUD MUST GO

Sorry. Bud Selig isn't the guy that runs baseball, it's Donald Fehr. The inmates are running the asylum in baseball. It almost took an act of Congress for the MLBPA to agree to an increase in suspensions for steriod use.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Selig is pretty popular among the owners I believe so he isn't going anywhere. We are more likely to see a college football playoff than we are Selig get the ax in the next five years. He may choose to step down but they need a candidate in mind before he can move on. It really needs to be someone from outside the game, maybe a senator or federal judge or CEO. I know at one time there was talk of Condi Rice becoming the commissioner and even though may not sound very appealing, it is probably better than what we have right now.

Also have to consider that Selig probably never wanted this job and I'm sure he never meant to keep it. There was a 60 minutes piece on him last year or the year before and he's a very successgul and highly respected business leader and a workaholic. He does his best for the game and he does take care of his constituency. I think that has to be mentioned here.

 

[Eephus]

Even when he was an active owner, Selig had comparatively few outside business interests. He used to sell cars and he ran a small market team. He has other investments but he's been primarily a baseball guy for the past 35 years. He's a bit of an anachronism in this respect.

Selig has said he plans to step down in 2009. His lame duck status isn't going to help anyone. The owners will probably choose an insider as his replacement, but a new face would at least represent change even if it's the same old agenda.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

I think the steroid issue is over and its time to move on.

That was quick

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Bud has done more to help the sport of MLB than any other commish out there (inlcuding Tagliabue).

 

[trogg78]

I think the steroid issue is over and its time to move on.

That was quick

Put Bud in a flight suite and throw up the "mission accomplished" banner

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Even when he was an active owner, Selig had comparatively few outside business interests. He used to sell cars and he ran a small market team. He has other investments but he's been primarily a baseball guy for the past 35 years. He's a bit of an anachronism in this respect.

Hmm, you are correct. 60 Minutes IIRC (which I guess I may have not) said he still had an actuve existence away from the game in the business world. Maybe I got him mixed up with a story of another owner.

 

[Eephus]

Even when he was an active owner, Selig had comparatively few outside business interests. He used to sell cars and he ran a small market team. He has other investments but he's been primarily a baseball guy for the past 35 years. He's a bit of an anachronism in this respect.

Hmm, you are correct. 60 Minutes IIRC (which I guess I may have not) said he still had an actuve existence away from the game in the business world. Maybe I got him mixed up with a story of another owner.

George W. Bush maybe?

 

[Night Hawks]

Well with the Mitchell Report out and he does say that everyone in Baseball played a part in the Steriod Era. It is time for him to step up and assume his responsibility for his lack of actions. It is really nice that he wants to play hardball at this point, but this is after he almost killed the game with the canceling of the World Series due to a work stoppage in 1994. He then turned a blind eye to the steroid era, because it made baseball important again in the sports world. And he made a ton of money got baseball. If we are going to really going to clean MLB up we need to start at the top. BUD MUST GO

Sorry. Bud Selig isn't the guy that runs baseball, it's Donald Fehr. The inmates are running the asylum in baseball. It almost took an act of Congress for the MLBPA to agree to an increase in suspensions for steriod use.

 

[Vladislav Tretiak]

Tried to get the Twins contracted because that would have helped out a Brewers team with coverage

Took a small or no interest loan from Carl Pohlad. No conflict of interest there.

Absolutely knew that something was up when HRs were being hit at an astronomical rate. Steroids or a different and more tighter wound baseball. Bud did nothing about it. Why? His ### was on the line with the strike and this was baseball making a big comeback. You don't seriously think he was ignorant to these new HR totals?

Opened the door for a Rose comeback. I like Rose but he gambled on baseball. Shoeless Joe, who did not fix the 1919 series, is still banned but Rose can get in the hall of fame?

Inter-league play? I'm not all that sold on it.

Luxury tax? Great. Do you know where the money goes? The money is to be used for player benefits, including player benefit plan, or the industry growth fund, or developing baseball players in countries lacking organized high school baseball. Huh? Helping out third world countries by building baseball fields?

He allowed an All-Star popularity game to end in a tie! A tie?

Remember that his daughter was appointed owner of the Milwaukee Brewers so he could take the Commissioner position without a conflict of interest, cough, cough. Yeah, his daughter, who knew nothing of baseball, was the right person to run a team and the real value of the team was actually $1 – of course, at that time they were losing money, remember?

Does it bother anyone that Mitchell is baseball commissioner Bud Selig's buddy and a higher up with the Boston Red Sox? (Another conflict of interest!) All this report did was make Selig look like he was concerned when all it really showed is that Selig was a failure about the whole steroid issue.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Does it bother anyone that Mitchell is baseball commissioner Bud Selig's buddy and a higher up with the Boston Red Sox? (Another conflict of interest!) All this report did was make Selig look like he was concerned when all it really showed is that Selig was a failure about the whole steroid issue.

 

[dparker713]

Tried to get the Twins contracted because that would have helped out a Brewers team with coverage

Pohlad wasnt exactly shouting from the rafters to keep his team either

Took a small or no interest loan from Carl Pohlad. No conflict of interest there.

Thats what rich people do, help each other become richer

Absolutely knew that something was up when HRs were being hit at an astronomical rate. Steroids or a different and more tighter wound baseball. Bud did nothing about it. Why? His ### was on the line with the strike and this was baseball making a big comeback. You don't seriously think he was ignorant to these new HR totals?

You act like this wasnt in the best interests of baseball. Should he have called out these players during the season when fans were finally returning to the ballparks? His job is to shepard the business of baseball, not protect the records or HOF.

Opened the door for a Rose comeback. I like Rose but he gambled on baseball. Shoeless Joe, who did not fix the 1919 series, is still banned but Rose can get in the hall of fame?

Rose is still not eligible. And in general most people are in favor of some sort of forgiveness for Rose. Shoeless Joe is an entirely different subject and ancient history. Rosie is still alive and able to muster publicity

Inter-league play? I'm not all that sold on it.

Neither am I, though many of the rivalry series are highly popular, many of hte series are duds. A mixed bag, but the only major complaint I have about it is the year to year imbalance some of those rivalries create.

Luxury tax? Great. Do you know where the money goes? The money is to be used for player benefits, including player benefit plan, or the industry growth fund, or developing baseball players in countries lacking organized high school baseball. Huh? Helping out third world countries by building baseball fields?

The luxury tax isnt enough, but its a start and a fairly significant one at that.

He allowed an All-Star popularity game to end in a tie! A tie?

Who cares about the game. I more care that he over reacted and made WS homefield dependent on the outcome of an entirely meaningless game.

Remember that his daughter was appointed owner of the Milwaukee Brewers so he could take the Commissioner position without a conflict of interest, cough, cough. Yeah, his daughter, who knew nothing of baseball, was the right person to run a team and the real value of the team was actually $1 – of course, at that time they were losing money, remember?

Its called nepotism. Happens everywhere in every business.

Does it bother anyone that Mitchell is baseball commissioner Bud Selig's buddy and a higher up with the Boston Red Sox? (Another conflict of interest!) All this report did was make Selig look like he was concerned when all it really showed is that Selig was a failure about the whole steroid issue.

Its slightly shady, but I find it doubtful that Mitchell would risk losing his reputation by injecting a bias into a more or less meaningless report.YOu act like he's been horrible. And while he started out that way, he's been good and bad since. I honestly fail to see how Selig stepping down does anything to change the steroid problem in baseball. The commissioner has limited powers and the union, the players and the clubs all need to get involved to fully address this.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Tried to get the Twins contracted because that would have helped out a Brewers team with coverage

Pohlad wasnt exactly shouting from the rafters to keep his team either

Took a small or no interest loan from Carl Pohlad. No conflict of interest there.

Thats what rich people do, help each other become richer

Absolutely knew that something was up when HRs were being hit at an astronomical rate. Steroids or a different and more tighter wound baseball. Bud did nothing about it. Why? His ### was on the line with the strike and this was baseball making a big comeback. You don't seriously think he was ignorant to these new HR totals?

You act like this wasnt in the best interests of baseball. Should he have called out these players during the season when fans were finally returning to the ballparks? His job is to shepard the business of baseball, not protect the records or HOF.

Opened the door for a Rose comeback. I like Rose but he gambled on baseball. Shoeless Joe, who did not fix the 1919 series, is still banned but Rose can get in the hall of fame?

Rose is still not eligible. And in general most people are in favor of some sort of forgiveness for Rose. Shoeless Joe is an entirely different subject and ancient history. Rosie is still alive and able to muster publicity

Inter-league play? I'm not all that sold on it.

Neither am I, though many of the rivalry series are highly popular, many of hte series are duds. A mixed bag, but the only major complaint I have about it is the year to year imbalance some of those rivalries create.

Luxury tax? Great. Do you know where the money goes? The money is to be used for player benefits, including player benefit plan, or the industry growth fund, or developing baseball players in countries lacking organized high school baseball. Huh? Helping out third world countries by building baseball fields?

The luxury tax isnt enough, but its a start and a fairly significant one at that.

He allowed an All-Star popularity game to end in a tie! A tie?

Who cares about the game. I more care that he over reacted and made WS homefield dependent on the outcome of an entirely meaningless game.

Remember that his daughter was appointed owner of the Milwaukee Brewers so he could take the Commissioner position without a conflict of interest, cough, cough. Yeah, his daughter, who knew nothing of baseball, was the right person to run a team and the real value of the team was actually $1 – of course, at that time they were losing money, remember?

Its called nepotism. Happens everywhere in every business.

Does it bother anyone that Mitchell is baseball commissioner Bud Selig's buddy and a higher up with the Boston Red Sox? (Another conflict of interest!) All this report did was make Selig look like he was concerned when all it really showed is that Selig was a failure about the whole steroid issue.

Its slightly shady, but I find it doubtful that Mitchell would risk losing his reputation by injecting a bias into a more or less meaningless report.YOu act like he's been horrible. And while he started out that way, he's been good and bad since. I honestly fail to see how Selig stepping down does anything to change the steroid problem in baseball. The commissioner has limited powers and the union, the players and the clubs all need to get involved to fully address this.

I disagree with alot of what you said, but feel obliged to say from the quote format effort you gave. Great work!

 

[Vladislav Tretiak]

Tried to get the Twins contracted because that would have helped out a Brewers team with coverage

Pohlad wasnt exactly shouting from the rafters to keep his team either

Took a small or no interest loan from Carl Pohlad. No conflict of interest there.

Thats what rich people do, help each other become richer

Absolutely knew that something was up when HRs were being hit at an astronomical rate. Steroids or a different and more tighter wound baseball. Bud did nothing about it. Why? His ### was on the line with the strike and this was baseball making a big comeback. You don't seriously think he was ignorant to these new HR totals?

You act like this wasnt in the best interests of baseball. Should he have called out these players during the season when fans were finally returning to the ballparks? His job is to shepard the business of baseball, not protect the records or HOF.

Opened the door for a Rose comeback. I like Rose but he gambled on baseball. Shoeless Joe, who did not fix the 1919 series, is still banned but Rose can get in the hall of fame?

Rose is still not eligible. And in general most people are in favor of some sort of forgiveness for Rose. Shoeless Joe is an entirely different subject and ancient history. Rosie is still alive and able to muster publicity

Inter-league play? I'm not all that sold on it.

Neither am I, though many of the rivalry series are highly popular, many of hte series are duds. A mixed bag, but the only major complaint I have about it is the year to year imbalance some of those rivalries create.

Luxury tax? Great. Do you know where the money goes? The money is to be used for player benefits, including player benefit plan, or the industry growth fund, or developing baseball players in countries lacking organized high school baseball. Huh? Helping out third world countries by building baseball fields?

The luxury tax isnt enough, but its a start and a fairly significant one at that.

He allowed an All-Star popularity game to end in a tie! A tie?

Who cares about the game. I more care that he over reacted and made WS homefield dependent on the outcome of an entirely meaningless game.

Remember that his daughter was appointed owner of the Milwaukee Brewers so he could take the Commissioner position without a conflict of interest, cough, cough. Yeah, his daughter, who knew nothing of baseball, was the right person to run a team and the real value of the team was actually $1 – of course, at that time they were losing money, remember?

Its called nepotism. Happens everywhere in every business.

Does it bother anyone that Mitchell is baseball commissioner Bud Selig's buddy and a higher up with the Boston Red Sox? (Another conflict of interest!) All this report did was make Selig look like he was concerned when all it really showed is that Selig was a failure about the whole steroid issue.

Its slightly shady, but I find it doubtful that Mitchell would risk losing his reputation by injecting a bias into a more or less meaningless report.YOu act like he's been horrible. And while he started out that way, he's been good and bad since. I honestly fail to see how Selig stepping down does anything to change the steroid problem in baseball. The commissioner has limited powers and the union, the players and the clubs all need to get involved to fully address this.

1) It is called conflict of interest. I don't care if rich people help others. Not in this light do they, or should I say, should they do it. Owners and commissioners should not be helping each other out.2) See above. A conflict of interests. Want to commish? Step down from being an owner. Nepotism does not and should not apply here.

3) So you think Mitchell would never hurt his rep but you just saw many a baseball player ruin their reps? Selig has ruined his reputation with his shenanigans but you don't think Mitchell would? C'mon, this was a man that was appointed by Selig. I'm sorry, I mean a buddy appointed by Selig that spent 20M to interview two men? Huh?