Sell High on Bradshaw? (1 Viewer)

[RamMan]

I drafted Bradshaw this year thinking he'd get a big boost in carries without Jacobs around. Enter Andre Brown a few weeks ago after Bradshaw's neck tweak and Bradshaw's season was looking iffy as a potential every-down back. Fast forward to yesterday - Brown goes down and Bradshaw gets 30 carries and busts off 200 yards. Clearly the G-men don't want to run Bradshaw 30 times a game, but is this the perfect time to sell or do you think Bradshaw emerges as a bell cow back for the rest of the season? Again, I don't foresee 30 carries a game, but 18 - 22 carries and a few passing targets should produce high RB2/low RB1 numbers going forward.

Aside from Bradshaw's obvious potential injury flaws, how do you see his role in the offense going forward? Sell high or hold?

 

[ponchsox]

Hold. Sure he might get dinged, but why would you want to sell a workhouse RB on a potent offense?

 

[Concept Coop]

He is the guy in NY. The other 2 will get carries, but not enough to call it a RBBC.

 

[RamMan]

Holding is my instinct as well. I was toying with the idea of trying to package him along with a WR2 (which was Colston before last night!) for a more solid RB - say like a Charles or Peterson or even Forte - but I'm thinking now that Bradshaw could produce very nicely in that high-octane offense this season - of course barring injury.

 

[Concept Coop]

Holding is my instinct as well. I was toying with the idea of trying to package him along with a WR2 (which was Colston before last night!) for a more solid RB - say like a Charles or Peterson or even Forte - but I'm thinking now that Bradshaw could produce very nicely in that high-octane offense this season - of course barring injury.

I have to agree. A RB has scored in every game for the Giants.* Those looks will almost exclusively go to Bradshaw.ETA: Forgot about last week. All but one.

 

[lod01]

I'm riding him to a championship.

 

[Warhogs]

I think he is a hold. The injury and the play of the backups keep his present value down. If anything, and if you have big enough rosters you might want to try to buy Bradshaw's handcuff now that Bradshaw had a monster game.

 

[RamMan]

I think he is a hold. The injury and the play of the backups keep his present value down. If anything, and if you have big enough rosters you might want to try to buy Bradshaw's handcuff now that Bradshaw had a monster game.

Problem is, who is the handcuff? Does Brown come back next week and resume his role or has the torch passed to Wilson? Wilson was dropped in my 10-teamer last week and is sitting on the wire. I may need to go after him with a large enough bid to secure him, but I'm not convinced he's the cuff.

 

[Concept Coop]

Problem is, who is the handcuff? Does Brown come back next week and resume his role or has the torch passed to Wilson? Wilson was dropped in my 10-teamer last week and is sitting on the wire. I may need to go after him with a large enough bid to secure him, but I'm not convinced he's the cuff.

It's still Brown, in my opinion. The role Wilson will carve - and I think he will - will not depend on who the starter is. If Bradshaw were to go down, again, I think it's Brown.

 

[kyoun1e]

Tempted to trade Bradshaw for M. Jones Drew.

Bradshaw faces SF which will net him zilch. The CLE game is as good as it gets and I doubt we've had our last headache with the likes of Wilson or Brown or injury.

While MJD is on bye, his upcoming schedule is ridiculous. Despite Gabbert being horrible, I think MJD will get his and more after the bye.

KY

 

[Dought Man]

Sold for M Colston this morning.

 

[Dought Man]

DeAngelo will be the one laughing when he gets to retire with 300 less carries on his knees and the same size back account.

 

[Ray_T]

I think he is a hold. The injury and the play of the backups keep his present value down. If anything, and if you have big enough rosters you might want to try to buy Bradshaw's handcuff now that Bradshaw had a monster game.

I agree for now. he is a hold.people are not gonna forget he is injury prone after one good game. if he plays 2 or 3 more good games, then you may be able to sell high as some will look at how he is playing and forget about his tendency to get hurt. so if you actually want to sell, that would be the time.I agree he isnt a premium RB. but when healthy, he is a solid to upper tier RB2 or a lower tier RB1 at best.

 

[Chaka]

Sell. Yesterday was the highwater mark and production will be up and down the rest of the way (and never approach what we saw yesterday).

 

[Maven]

I'd sell him now. Dude just gets injured too much. His value will never be this high again. I'm sure you can get a nice trade for him.

 

[Concept Coop]

Sell. Yesterday was the highwater mark and production will be up and down the rest of the way (and never approach what we saw yesterday).

Of course he is not likely to run for 200 yards again, but that's moot.The NYG offense is explosive and will put up points. The RB position is averaging more than 1 TD/game. The large majority of those will go to Bradshaw. In fact, the NYB RB position has been very consistant. Why will that change?

 

[SameSongNDance]

If you can get a legit RB1, sell. He may be a warrior, but he has a high propensity to injury no matter which way you look at it.

 

[Concept Coop]

If you can get a legit RB1, sell. He may be a warrior, but he has a high propensity to injury no matter which way you look at it.

Not true. High propensity to play in pain, sure. But he plays.And his full-time handcuff costs pennies right now.

 

[towney]

If you can get a legit RB1, sell. He may be a warrior, but he has a high propensity to injury no matter which way you look at it.

Not true. High propensity to play in pain, sure. But he plays.And his full-time handcuff costs pennies right now.

Which we do not clearly know who it is yet. Wilson/Brown

 

[godgers12]

I think he is a hold for the most part, I was lucky and drafted him but after getting Morris off waivers, and Matthews coming back I am super stacked at RB and traded him for Percy Harvin to add depth to my WR core (we also get return yards in this league). So I was very happy.

 

[Concept Coop]

If you can get a legit RB1, sell. He may be a warrior, but he has a high propensity to injury no matter which way you look at it.

Not true. High propensity to play in pain, sure. But he plays.And his full-time handcuff costs pennies right now.

Which we do not clearly know who it is yet. Wilson/Brown

We very clearly do, in my opinion. Bradshaw missed 1.75 games, and Brown got his full carry load. Wilson is a stud and will likely earn 8 touches a game soon, but they are not putting him in there full time this season.

 

[godgers12]

Yea it is fairly clear that Brown>>>Wilson as far as carries go for now... But Wilson is slowly starting to get out of the doghouse.

 

[meyerj31]

There's gotta be other reasons that Wilson isn't getting carries, besides losing that one fumble in week 1. Bradshaw lost a fumble on his first carry this week, then touched the ball another 30 times to rack up 200 yards. I wouldn't count on Wilson getting significant touches for another year. Some RBs just don't pick up the offense very quickly.

I'm holding Bradshaw wherever I own him. Not starting him this week against 49ers, though. Starting Donald Brown over him.

 

[Gopher State]

Bradshaw is a hold, possible top 5 production going forward

 

[Concept Coop]

There's gotta be other reasons that Wilson isn't getting carries, besides losing that one fumble in week 1. Bradshaw lost a fumble on his first carry this week, then touched the ball another 30 times to rack up 200 yards. I wouldn't count on Wilson getting significant touches for another year. Some RBs just don't pick up the offense very quickly.

They are either sending him a very strong message, and think it is worth it for their future franchise back to learn the hard way. Or, you're right. Perhaps pass protection isn't there yet.

 

[Maven]

Wilson isnt getting playing time because he fumbles and sucks at pass protection.

 

[SameSongNDance]

If you can get a legit RB1, sell. He may be a warrior, but he has a high propensity to injury no matter which way you look at it.

Not true. High propensity to play in pain, sure. But he plays.And his full-time handcuff costs pennies right now.

Why does he play in pain? I think it has something to do with injury. I called him a warrior because he does indeed play through ailments, but it effects play and you never know if it'll be serious or not.Let's be honest. Historically, on a PPG basis he's a high-end RB2/low-end RB1. This is nothing new, and when drafting him you assume a decent amount of risk with his injury history.Let's look at his SOS. In parenthesis is their rank against RBs in fantasy points allowed.SF(1rst), WAS(10th), DAL(15th), PIT(13th), CIN(25th), GB(14th), WAS(10th), NO(32nd), ATL(21rst), BAL(20th)The schedule is rather tough over the next four weeks, definitely not one of the better ones. He does have a nice play-off schedul. If someone is willing to overpay and part with a RB1, like MJD in the second post though, you'd have to have a very good reason not to do it.

 

[Concept Coop]

If you can get a legit RB1, sell. He may be a warrior, but he has a high propensity to injury no matter which way you look at it.

Not true. High propensity to play in pain, sure. But he plays.And his full-time handcuff costs pennies right now.

Why does he play in pain? I think it has something to do with injury. I called him a warrior because he does indeed play through ailments, but it effects play and you never know if it'll be serious or not.Let's be honest. Historically, on a PPG basis he's a high-end RB2/low-end RB1. This is nothing new, and when drafting him you assume a decent amount of risk with his injury history.Let's look at his SOS. In parenthesis is their rank against RBs in fantasy points allowed.SF(1rst), WAS(10th), DAL(15th), PIT(13th), CIN(25th), GB(14th), WAS(10th), NO(32nd), ATL(21rst), BAL(20th)The schedule is rather tough over the next four weeks, definitely not one of the better ones. He does have a nice play-off schedul. If someone is willing to overpay and part with a RB1, like MJD in the second post though, you'd have to have a very good reason not to do it.

I really don't worry much about Bradshaw's injury history, for this season. That could just be me. But, again, I think we have a cheap handcuff that is somewhat proven, productive, and in line to get the full load. I am not saying we should value him as top 5. But those rushing to move him for anything more than they paid in the draft, will likely regret it. He is worth more than a RB2 right now, for good reason. Unlike years past, he will get close to a full load. And the Giants offense is as explosive as ever - there will be a lot of TDs for him to rack up.

 

[fightingillini]

Not selling Bradshaw unless I can package him + another solid player and get an elite player in return.

As others were saying, Bradshaw is clearly the lead dog, and should get 70% of the carries. He can catch the ball and NYG will score a lot of points. Bradshaw will be good going forward, with injury the major question. I see him getting about 80-100 all purpose yards per game, 2-4 receptions per game, and score about 7-10 more TDs. That's pretty good production.

 

[DoubleG]

Not selling Bradshaw unless I can package him + another solid player and get an elite player in return.As others were saying, Bradshaw is clearly the lead dog, and should get 70% of the carries. He can catch the ball and NYG will score a lot of points. Bradshaw will be good going forward, with injury the major question. I see him getting about 80-100 all purpose yards per game, 2-4 receptions per game, and score about 7-10 more TDs. That's pretty good production.

He's a very solid RB2 with RB1 upside and a good playoff schedule. I also agree with Concept Coop that Brown is the handcuff. For those saying Wilson is "coming out of the doghouse" - he still only got 2 carries Sunday. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. I don't think "HE DIDN'T FUMBLE THIS TIME!" is automatically a huge plus going forward for Wilson. Has his value increased? Sure - but not enough to be considered a threat to either Bradshaw or even Brown's touches, imho.

 

[ponchsox]

Bradshaw has to be the unsexiest solid RB2 in fantasy. His perceived value is a lot less than his actually fantasy value because people assume he's going to get hurt and Wilson/Brown will steal carries. I'll take the 1,200 yards and 10 TDs all day long.

 

[RamMan]

Any news on Brown's status following his head injury on Sunday?

 

[SameSongNDance]

Any news on Brown's status following his head injury on Sunday?

Nothing yet. The last we heard was Coughlin saying he wasn't 100% on Monday.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Sell. Yesterday was the highwater mark and production will be up and down the rest of the way (and never approach what we saw yesterday).

 

[meyerj31]

I think I'm going to sell high on him after these two weeks. Been offered McFadden if I give Bradshaw and a WR2 (not asking for opinions on that, just commenting on selling high).

 

[Concept Coop]

I think I'm going to sell high on him after these two weeks. Been offered McFadden if I give Bradshaw and a WR2 (not asking for opinions on that, just commenting on selling high).

Big mistake, in my opinion. Bradshaw's a RB1 from here on out. Why add anything to him to get McFadden, who has been less productive? Also, Bradshaw's handcuff is cheap, and nearly as productive. I wouldn't want to depend on Mike Goodson, should DMC go down again.

 

[RamMan]

I think I'm going to sell high on him after these two weeks. Been offered McFadden if I give Bradshaw and a WR2 (not asking for opinions on that, just commenting on selling high).

Big mistake, in my opinion. Bradshaw's a RB1 from here on out. Why add anything to him to get McFadden, who has been less productive? Also, Bradshaw's handcuff is cheap, and nearly as productive. I wouldn't want to depend on Mike Goodson, should DMC go down again.

And Bradshaw's handcuff is who now (Brown or Wilson)?

 

[FF Ninja]

Kind of off topic, but Goodson has looked good while Bradshaw's handcuff is kind of ambiguous as the moment. Is it Wilson or Brown? If Bradshaw was to get hurt, I suspect it would be a RBBC. If the guy can get Mike Goodson then I would be pretty tempted to sell high if I was in his shoes.

 

[Concept Coop]

Kind of off topic, but Goodson has looked good while Bradshaw's handcuff is kind of ambiguous as the moment. Is it Wilson or Brown? If Bradshaw was to get hurt, I suspect it would be a RBBC. If the guy can get Mike Goodson then I would be pretty tempted to sell high if I was in his shoes.

I think it is clearly Brown. Wilson's touches only came when the game was out of hand. Hell, Bradshaw was still being mixed in late in the 4th.Wilson is a 2-6 touch guy, right now. When Brown is healhty, in the event of an injury to Bradshaw, Brown is very clearly the guy. The staff has said as much, and done as much.ETA: Just read that Bradshaw left due to cramps. They would have continued feeding him the ball exculsively to end the game.

 

[Concept Coop]

I think I'm going to sell high on him after these two weeks. Been offered McFadden if I give Bradshaw and a WR2 (not asking for opinions on that, just commenting on selling high).

Big mistake, in my opinion. Bradshaw's a RB1 from here on out. Why add anything to him to get McFadden, who has been less productive? Also, Bradshaw's handcuff is cheap, and nearly as productive. I wouldn't want to depend on Mike Goodson, should DMC go down again.

And Bradshaw's handcuff is who now (Brown or Wilson)?

Same guy it's always been.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Not a what should I do, just a FYI as to what offers are floating out there...... I was offered both today, my choice of:

Reggie Bush or Frank Gore. This is a 10 team 10 player keeper league. I said no thanks to Bush, and have not replied to Gore yet. Gore has an UGLY playoff schedule and Bradshaw's is nice......

 

[Shutout]

Kind of off topic, but Goodson has looked good while Bradshaw's handcuff is kind of ambiguous as the moment. Is it Wilson or Brown? If Bradshaw was to get hurt, I suspect it would be a RBBC. If the guy can get Mike Goodson then I would be pretty tempted to sell high if I was in his shoes.

I think it is clearly Brown. Wilson's touches only came when the game was out of hand. Hell, Bradshaw was still being mixed in late in the 4th.Wilson is a 2-6 touch guy, right now. When Brown is healhty, in the event of an injury to Bradshaw, Brown is very clearly the guy. The staff has said as much, and done as much.ETA: Just read that Bradshaw left due to cramps. They would have continued feeding him the ball exculsively to end the game.

Good stuff coop.

 

[meyerj31]

Kind of off topic, but Goodson has looked good while Bradshaw's handcuff is kind of ambiguous as the moment. Is it Wilson or Brown? If Bradshaw was to get hurt, I suspect it would be a RBBC. If the guy can get Mike Goodson then I would be pretty tempted to sell high if I was in his shoes.

I think it is clearly Brown. Wilson's touches only came when the game was out of hand. Hell, Bradshaw was still being mixed in late in the 4th.Wilson is a 2-6 touch guy, right now. When Brown is healhty, in the event of an injury to Bradshaw, Brown is very clearly the guy. The staff has said as much, and done as much.ETA: Just read that Bradshaw left due to cramps. They would have continued feeding him the ball exculsively to end the game.

Good stuff coop.

All good points but I like to stay ahead of the curve. If I can trade for an elite RB like McFadden by packaging Bradshaw and my fifth best WR (who happens to be a solid WR2) I'm going to do that. I don't get "feelings" too much but I feel like Bradshaw is going to crash a bit the second half of the season as they try to keep him healthy for a playoff run. Coughlin has -never- been a feature back type guy, and as Wilson progresses or Brown gets healthier I think Bradshaw's touches will go down.

 

[Concept Coop]

Kind of off topic, but Goodson has looked good while Bradshaw's handcuff is kind of ambiguous as the moment. Is it Wilson or Brown? If Bradshaw was to get hurt, I suspect it would be a RBBC. If the guy can get Mike Goodson then I would be pretty tempted to sell high if I was in his shoes.

I think it is clearly Brown. Wilson's touches only came when the game was out of hand. Hell, Bradshaw was still being mixed in late in the 4th.Wilson is a 2-6 touch guy, right now. When Brown is healhty, in the event of an injury to Bradshaw, Brown is very clearly the guy. The staff has said as much, and done as much.ETA: Just read that Bradshaw left due to cramps. They would have continued feeding him the ball exculsively to end the game.

Good stuff coop.

All good points but I like to stay ahead of the curve. If I can trade for an elite RB like McFadden by packaging Bradshaw and my fifth best WR (who happens to be a solid WR2) I'm going to do that. I don't get "feelings" too much but I feel like Bradshaw is going to crash a bit the second half of the season as they try to keep him healthy for a playoff run. Coughlin has -never- been a feature back type guy, and as Wilson progresses or Brown gets healthier I think Bradshaw's touches will go down.

Of course they will. He had his two career highs in carries, back-to-back weeks. That said, the Giants offense is so much more explosive than the Raiders. The NYG offense is averaging over 1 RB TD per game. They can move the ball on anyone. McFadden is on pace for under 900 rushing yards and 6 TDs. And it is not like his strength of schedule has been bad. I don't want to derail the thread, but I think the conversation is about Bradshaw, still.

 

[LayinTheSmackDown]

I will be attempting to package Bradshaw plus a WR to a disgruntled McCoy owner who has already expressed interest in making a change.

 

[Concept Coop]

I will be attempting to package Bradshaw plus a WR to a disgruntled McCoy owner who has already expressed interest in making a change.

Why add anything to Bradshaw for a lesser player?I love McCoy's talents, but he is not being put in a position to display them, thanks to those around him. He is also losing some goal line work to Bryce Brown, and that will likely increase and Brown gets more comfortable.Dynaty, sure. But I don't understand why people are so quick to write Bradshaw off. The situation he is in, is ideal. Forget what his name is, and value him based on the points he will give you.

 

[Koya]

There's gotta be other reasons that Wilson isn't getting carries, besides losing that one fumble in week 1. Bradshaw lost a fumble on his first carry this week, then touched the ball another 30 times to rack up 200 yards. I wouldn't count on Wilson getting significant touches for another year. Some RBs just don't pick up the offense very quickly.

They are either sending him a very strong message, and think it is worth it for their future franchise back to learn the hard way. Or, you're right. Perhaps pass protection isn't there yet.

Giants fan here - the reason he sat, imo, absolutely was the fumble. The reason why it had no affect on Bradshaws playing time is simple: proven vet, has the coaches confidence. Coughlin's old school. Rooks are treated differently than vets. Especially rooks who are first rounders, have a huge preseason and may begin to believe their own hype. So Coughlin steps in early in the guy's career and (1) sends a message while (2) getting a read on his personality. Will he still practice as hard. Will he mope. How will the guy respond.So, while pass protection etc. are in the mix, I think the reason you saw completely different reactions from Coughlin regarding a fumble was just this. The fact that it happened on Wilson's first carry is all the more reason to believe this is the rationale.

 

[kyoun1e]

Bradshaw schedule down the stretch:

13: @Wash

14: NO

15: @ATL

16: BALT (who is now toothless)

If he's healthy, Bradshaw is going to carry teams to championships.

If you sell now, you're basically making a bet he gets hurt.

KY

 

[Annyong]

sold yesterday for Nicks and Chris Johnson. already regretting it.

 

[tdhartis]

I was offered RG3 for him and Romo if that's any indication of value. I agree with kyoun in that the only reason to sell would be in expectation of an injury. Both backups behind him have shown promise, yet none have managed to wrestle significant snaps away from him. He also has played lights out the past two weeks. I think he is a solid hold because many people do not value his name enough to give respectable offers.