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Shane Veeren OUT till Week 11 (Short-Term IR) (1 Viewer)
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Darryl Talley
Footballguy
Will Blount get GL carries? I don't really care for chump change yardage without the TD's, i.e. Bolden.
rockaction
Footballguy
I'm going with Blount. Has anyone even seen Bolden in the last however many months?
duaneok66
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Cheesedawg
Footballguy
Cut Vereen and Kerley and picked up both L.Washington and Bolden. Taking as many potential Brady targets as I can until the pecking order sorts itself out. Based on Belichick's presser today, I think Washington gets the pass receiving Woodhead role while Bolden is probably more of a threat to Ridley and his fumbling issues.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
So freaking frustrating. Dude has great talent and I've been as big a believer in him as any, but he just can't stay healthy. He's Jahvid Best without the concussions.
Mistabishi
Footballguy
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
how bad is Bolden's knee?
JFS171
Footballguy
Believe I read he was "limited" in both practices this week, though Monday's was a projected injury report.
That's a bit premature. I get the week 1 overreaction, but please try to be realistic - and this goes for everyone pondering if they should burn a roster spot - Vereen had a great game but it was the result of a perfect storm:
Ridley fumbled and was benched
Ridley's backup was ineffective
Bolden was inactive
Brady threw the ball 52 times
I feel certain Vereen was not going to have another game with 14 carries AND 10 targets. I actually doubt he would have had another game with 14 carries, but I think he could have a couple more games with 10 targets, but the guy was not about to have 224 carries and 160 targets this season.
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Shutout
Footballguy
I agree with this.
I had a thread last years asking "who is Brandon Boldon" and by the time it winded down, I think the prevailing thought was that Boldon was really the guy that replaces Ridley and Vareen and Woodhead were the guys to look at for passes.
That is basically how it shook out as Boldon had a big game before an injury and suspension in that role and Woodhead was woodhead and Vareen obviously came on late.
Now, with no Woodhead or Vareen and a general lack of guys to catch those types of passes (no Hernandez or Welker) AND with Edelman already now looking to fill the Welker/Amendola role, it just seems logical that a guy like Washington will step into that spot. They really have nobody else (as of the time of this posting).
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
They will morph into sucking. You can only lose so much and they're pretty damn close to rock bottom IMO.KCitons said:
Run It Up
Footballguy
Gronk returns and finishes the season with 180 receptions and 55 touchdowns and six broken bones.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I guess you have a different definition of "rock bottom" than I do. The Pats offense racked up 431 yards of offense this past week. NE had fewer yards than that 8 times last season. If Brady doesn't muff a handoff at the 1 foot line, they would have scored 30 points on a day when the offense was a bit off.
Amendola and Gronk could be back next week. The offense will get better as the season progresses. So if you mean by "rock bottom" they could slide all the way down to Top 5 offensively, then I'm right there with you.
erikf08
Footballguy
Not true. Any Pats fan will tell you Vereen was going to be a monster in PPR leagues because he was going to get all of the Hernandez reps. True, Vereen saw more carries than normal because of Ridley's fumbles but the number of targets and the number of plays for Vereen were legit.FF Ninja said:
Bolden would be the guy if he was healthy. Unfortunately, we never get the real injury report. Bolden was "limited" in practice. You know who else was "limited"? Amendola...never even hit the field. Gronk is also limited. None of these guys will be playing on Thursday. Washington will play but will still be change of pace. Blount has the short yards and goal line carries (but really, Brady just throws on those downs anyways). Ridley has his "get out of jail free" card and he will capitalize. Edelman may set the record for receptions in a game tomorrow. Thompkins will also surprise some people Week 2.
Well, the 100% of Hernandez's reps assumption is definitely pure speculation. He obviously was going to be more involved and get some of those reps, but we don't know to what extent. Plus, reps =/= targets.
Moving on... in week 1, Gronk was out, Sudfeld was benched, and Brady threw the ball 52 times. I really think 10 targets is about Vereen's weekly ceiling if that perfect storm only yielded 10. I liked his chances of getting about 6 carries a game and 6-7 targets. That would probably lead to close to 30 yards rushing and 4-6 receptions, which is a LOT over 16 games. 5 per game = 80. If he really got close to 80 receptions that would put him near RB15, but it's hard to bank on 80 receptions from a back. That is not Sproles-lite. That is straight up Sproles. And sure, Sproles finished RB10 in 0ppr on just 173 touches but he did have an amazing 9 TDs in that role and averaged almost 7 ypc.
Vereen had value but to crown him top 15 after a perfect storm is getting ahead of ourselves.
KCitons
Footballguy
ponchsox
Footballguy
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Do you really think this is the case for Edelman and why? I'm not really dialed into the whole situation, honestly, and it sounds like you are. Also, what are you projecting for each of these guys?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Just pieced this together as a reasonable story about this situation.
The Pats let Washington go at final cut down and hoped to start the season with...
Ridley (Blount as backup)
Vereen (Bolden as backup) -- the 'passing back' role that Reiss refers to above
But Bolden wasn't ready for Week 1 so they brought Washington back to serve as Vereen's understudy.
IMO it strongly suggests Bolden will replace Vereen here if/when his knee is ready...
Ridley (Blount as backup)
Bolden (Washington as backup)
The Pats let Washington go at final cut down and hoped to start the season with...
Ridley (Blount as backup)
Vereen (Bolden as backup) -- the 'passing back' role that Reiss refers to above
But Bolden wasn't ready for Week 1 so they brought Washington back to serve as Vereen's understudy.
IMO it strongly suggests Bolden will replace Vereen here if/when his knee is ready...
Ridley (Blount as backup)
Bolden (Washington as backup)
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WilsonTheVolleyball
Footballguy
Dropping for him Joique Bell or Julian Edelman. I'm going to give Bell waiver wire priority over Edelman. Do you guys agree? Or should I go Edelman?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
It makes sense, although the roles don't have to fall exactly in line- it's possible that Bolden/Washington split the "passing back" role, for instance. Also, Bolden getting and staying healthy is a big wildcard.
The Ref
Footballguy
Well they got the best O-Line in the NFL and that Brady guy.... lets not write them off entirely.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I suspect Bolden is enough better that they'd like to roll with him, but no way to know. Would be nice if this is relatively clear by the time bye weeks role around though.
JFS171
Footballguy
I climbed on board the Bolden train in every league -- he's the beneficiary that can actually make a difference for my team.
If they give more touches to Blount or Washington, I'm honestly not sure it matters. With Bolden in an increased role, it just might. Bolden's the guy that folks were afraid was going to turn Ridley into a committee back last year. There's clear talent there, and there were reports from camp that he looked explosive and speedy.
Who's riding shotgun?
If they give more touches to Blount or Washington, I'm honestly not sure it matters. With Bolden in an increased role, it just might. Bolden's the guy that folks were afraid was going to turn Ridley into a committee back last year. There's clear talent there, and there were reports from camp that he looked explosive and speedy.
Who's riding shotgun?
erikf08
Footballguy
I will be targeting Bolden this week with my waiver pick. He is a bit on the raw side but he has great upside. He made Washington expendable. Once he is healthy enough to play, he will be the guy to have going forward (after Ridley). Bolden is the guy all the local beat guys/radio guys like. BUT...he is currently not 100%. No one seems to know what his true status is and the Pats are the worst organization to produce injury info.I climbed on board the Bolden train in every league -- he's the beneficiary that can actually make a difference for my team.
If they give more touches to Blount or Washington, I'm honestly not sure it matters. With Bolden in an increased role, it just might. Bolden's the guy that folks were afraid was going to turn Ridley into a committee back last year. There's clear talent there, and there were reports from camp that he looked explosive and speedy.
Who's riding shotgun?
I don't need Bolden this week. I need him in a couple of weeks. It is a long season. When Washington was here in preseason, we all thought "man, he looks slow from his days as a Jet". No one was surprised when he did not make the team. Anyways, Bolden is the best long term bet for the rb's after Ridley.
ahartig
Footballguy
ME! I just snagged him in 2 of my leagues, placed a $51 bid in a $1000 auction limit....Ridley owner.I climbed on board the Bolden train in every league -- he's the beneficiary that can actually make a difference for my team.
If they give more touches to Blount or Washington, I'm honestly not sure it matters. With Bolden in an increased role, it just might. Bolden's the guy that folks were afraid was going to turn Ridley into a committee back last year. There's clear talent there, and there were reports from camp that he looked explosive and speedy.
Who's riding shotgun?
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Andrew74
Footballguy
At least with Best it was a concussion and you could move on. Vereen's been dead weight in dynasty for years, teasing one mercilessly that he's going to breakout only to breakdown. But you can't drop him because he might pay off one day.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This makes sense, but Bolden isn't really Vereen, is he? Different kind of a back, not a pass receiver?
Besides the prospect of taking over from Ridley, the real extra value of Vereen to me
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
He was 76-807-6 in his two years at Ole Miss. That's pretty strong for a big back. I think the Patriots just haven't given him much of a chance to be a receiver yet.
That's over 4 years.
As with most things involving the Pats, this could shake out any number of ways. I do like Bolden though, hopefully he can stay healthy/clean.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
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Darryl Talley
Footballguy
Anyone starting Blount this week?
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I agree on Bolden. He's 8 years younger than Leon Washington and showed some flashes last year. He
In PPR, I think Ridley and Bolden are the only Patriot's RBs worth rostering at this point, while Vereen is on IR.
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cstu
Footballguy
Everything I read said he was limited. Again, take it with a grain of salt when it comes to BB.
