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I am amusingly surprised by the number of posts the Chris Johnson thread has amassed. Obviously CJ is a talent and has some serious upside. I just can't believe the action around this kid. This lead me to wonder has this ocurred in year's past with other players is the Shark Pool? Who were they and how did it turn out? Was the SP right or did the player bust out amid the hype?

 
David Boston...any number of past years. *snicker*

Long ago...Robert Ferguson. :goodposting: Not one of my better obsessions.

 
I'm pretty sure not all 21 pages of that thread are glowing endorsements. It just shows how polarizing some players can be here. Many think he is the next big thing, while many think he is a career COP back. That is the main reason there have been so many posts. There would only be a few pages there if everyone agreed on him.

 
Brandon Marshall had a lot of buzz around here last year...that is one I can remember that paid off.

 
greenline said:
I am amusingly surprised by the number of posts the Chris Johnson thread has amassed. Obviously CJ is a talent and has some serious upside. I just can't believe the action around this kid. This lead me to wonder has this ocurred in year's past with other players is the Shark Pool? Who were they and how did it turn out? Was the SP right or did the player bust out amid the hype?
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I doubt you would deny that he's in a good situation combined with his limited skillset. If you write down on a piece of paper the set of circumstances for him to produce as a rookie, RBBC with an underperformer on a run-oriented ball club is about as good as its gonna get.
 
I couple that I remember were Matt Jones and Lee Evans which didn't work out too well obviously but there was also a big Gore thread that worked out tremendously.

 
Actually there was a marathon C. Taylor thread when he moved over to Minn (prior to AD) that worked out fairly well.

 
I'm just glad my dyno rookie drafts in which I had a mid-late 1st round pick were before August so I was able to get him before the train rolled in. I like this kid's skill set and situation but the love he has gotten is ridiculous. Chris Perry has suffered a similar fate, but at least he's his team's feature back - I understand the over zealous expectations for him a bit more than Johnson...Rice too.

The discussions/expectations surrounding these two rookies were a lot more reasonable - albeit still positive - before August rolled around.

 
Actually EVERY year ANY RB drafted in the 1st three rounds will have a handful of people here crowing about how he's JESUS, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders and LT rolled into one!

Are they EVER right?

That Adrian Peterson guy looks pretty good so far!

 
I bought into the Lee Evans hype last year and broke one of my cardinal rules. Don't draft wide receivers with suspect quarterbacks. I think we all know how well Lee Evans performed last year.

 
The first real big hype that I remember was Clinton Portis as a rookie in Denver. There was definitely a grouping of those who were on board with Portis. I was one of them. The Johnson hype machine is actually very similar and possibly bigger than the Portis hype back in 2002. Let's not forget, Portis was a second round pick, so it wasn't a foregone conclusion that he would be great at the next level, only speculation. Johnson was a late first rounder, with some of the same similarities as Portis, in his rookie season.

Other shark pool hypes include:

Brandon Lloyd - moderate hype

Ashley Lelie - moderate hype

Onterrio Smith - big hype

Vernon Davis - moderate hype

Matt Jones - moderate hype

Chester Taylor - big hype

I'm sure there's more that I'm forgetting

 
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I just bought in and took Johnson over Rice in a PPR dynasty rookie draft (1.7). I had Rice as the pick for months, but this last month of man-love pushed me over the top. If a better back was in front of Johnson, I'd have gone with Rice but my gut screams that this kid could be an MJD-type value. Zeitgeist!!!!

 
thehornet said:
fear and loathing loves him, therefore most of the wanna-bes around here do to.
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Hey, that whole Adrian Peterson is at least a second rounder fanaticism from this time last season worked out pretty well, no?What's great are the obvious parallels from that thread to the Chris Johnson one. The lack of vision on the part of the detractors, the head in the sand mentality best represented by lines like the following:

"He's a reach."

"You will lose your league if you take him over guys like Benson & McGahee."

"Chestor Taylor is NOT getting benched!"

"How is he going to get enough carries in a RBBC to have value?"

"He won't get enough touches."

"It's too early to take someone with unknown variables."

"Meh, take away the big run and his YPC is low."

"You can't 'swing for the fences' with that early of a pick."

"I should have taken him over Mark Clayton in the fourth, but I had Clayton ranked higher than him in my projections."

"Every year there are guys that are way overhyped, and this guy is one of them."

"Every year some rookie gets majorly overhyped, and this is just another case of that phenomenon."

"How could you possibly rank him above a proven stud like Willie Parker in a dynasty league? That's a joke."

"I love hype trains -- more value slips to me as a result."

And my personal favorite: "He hasn't proven anything yet."

 
Turner was huge. "He was gonna be a top 5 back as soon as he left S.D."

I even think I remember alot of talk about R.Lee.

 
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Fear & Loathing said:
thehornet said:
fear and loathing loves him, therefore most of the wanna-bes around here do to.
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Hey, that whole Adrian Peterson is at least a second rounder fanaticism from this time last season worked out pretty well, no?What's great are the obvious parallels from that thread to the Chris Johnson one. The lack of vision on the part of the detractors, the head in the sand mentality best represented by lines like the following:

"He's a reach."

"You will lose your league if you take him over guys like Benson & McGahee."

"Chestor Taylor is NOT getting benched!"

"How is he going to get enough carries in a RBBC to have value?"

"He won't get enough touches."

"It's too early to take someone with unknown variables."

"Meh, take away the big run and his YPC is low."

"You can't 'swing for the fences' with that early of a pick."

"I should have taken him over Mark Clayton in the fourth, but I had Clayton ranked higher than him in my projections."

"Every year there are guys that are way overhyped, and this guy is one of them."

"Every year some rookie gets majorly overhyped, and this is just another case of that phenomenon."

"How could you possibly rank him above a proven stud like Willie Parker in a dynasty league? That's a joke."

"I love hype trains -- more value slips to me as a result."

And my personal favorite: "He hasn't proven anything yet."
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:rolleyes: I grabbed the guy in all of my keep leagues, but the hysteria over this guy may be a tad bit unwarranted. Also, Chris Johnson is no Peterson. Let's nip that before it even starts. That being said, I believe that many posters around here are quick to jump on the band wagon, which is understandable when you have written a 10 page hype article over at Sons/Tundra filled with glorious quotes and discussion about how the coaches love him, the players love him, the scouts love him, etc, etc....

 
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Coogar said:
I bought into the Lee Evans hype last year and broke one of my cardinal rules. Don't draft wide receivers with suspect quarterbacks. I think we all know how well Lee Evans performed last year.
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Good ol Lee Ev, if this guy isn't a walking #### bag for a FF wideout, I don't know what is. I've had him on my roster 2x now. Never again. He'll def blow up 1 week a year, good luck picking it. I just shake my head when anyone drafts that guy now....I haven't been on these boards too long, but at the other site I used to frequent, this guy was the hot topic of discussion that year. My "All Pre Season Board Hype HOF" pick would have to go to M. Bennett. What a giant "swing and a miss" that guy was....

 
greenline said:
I am amusingly surprised by the number of posts the Chris Johnson thread has amassed. Obviously CJ is a talent and has some serious upside. I just can't believe the action around this kid. This lead me to wonder has this ocurred in year's past with other players is the Shark Pool? Who were they and how did it turn out? Was the SP right or did the player bust out amid the hype?
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There was lots of hype generated around here about Willie Parker before he became anything. That panned out tremendously.As was already mentioned, I started a Gore "sleeper" thread a couple years back that turned into lots of heated but interesting debate. The folks who bought into him early obviously did fairly well.
 
I remember a JJ Arrington thread a few years back. Heck I think I took him over C. Benson in a rookie draft.

 
Jeff Haseley said:
The first real big hype that I remember was Clinton Portis as a rookie in Denver. There was definitely a grouping of those who were on board with Portis. I was one of them. The Johnson hype machine is actually very similar and possibly bigger than the Portis hype back in 2002. Let's not forget, Portis was a second round pick, so it wasn't a foregone conclusion that he would be great at the next level, only speculation. Johnson was a late first rounder, with some of the same similarities as Portis, in his rookie season.

Other shark pool hypes include:

Brandon Lloyd - moderate hype

Ashley Lelie - moderate hype

Onterrio Smith - big hype

Vernon Davis - moderate hype

Matt Jones - moderate hype

Chester Taylor - big hype

I'm sure there's more that I'm forgetting
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Ray Rice

Felix Jones

Troy Smith

Brandon Jackson

Josh Morgan

Pierre Thomas

Jonathan Stewart

Michael Bush/Fargas

Ryan Torain

Andre Hall

Ricky Williams

Chris Johnson

down

Rudi Johnson

DeAngelo Williams

Ronnie Brown

Selvin Young

Willis McGahee

Isaac Bruce

Darren McFadden

LenDale White

I bet that more people from the bottom group do well than people from the top group.

 
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sholditch said:
Jeff Haseley said:
The first real big hype that I remember was Clinton Portis as a rookie in Denver. There was definitely a grouping of those who were on board with Portis. I was one of them. The Johnson hype machine is actually very similar and possibly bigger than the Portis hype back in 2002. Let's not forget, Portis was a second round pick, so it wasn't a foregone conclusion that he would be great at the next level, only speculation. Johnson was a late first rounder, with some of the same similarities as Portis, in his rookie season.

Other shark pool hypes include:

Brandon Lloyd - moderate hype

Ashley Lelie - moderate hype

Onterrio Smith - big hype

Vernon Davis - moderate hype

Matt Jones - moderate hype

Chester Taylor - big hype

I'm sure there's more that I'm forgetting
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2008 entriesup

Ray Rice

Felix Jones

Troy Smith

Brandon Jackson

Josh Morgan

Pierre Thomas

Jonathan Stewart

Michael Bush/Fargas

Ryan Torain

Andre Hall

Ricky Williams

Chris Johnson

down

Rudi Johnson

DeAngelo Williams

Ronnie Brown

Selvin Young

Willis McGahee

Isaac Bruce

Darren McFadden

LenDale White

I bet that more people from the bottom group do well than people from the top group.
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Maybe I don't spend enough time around here but there are some guys in the talk up list I haven't seen getting a ton of love and vice versa for some of the talk downs...and listing Ryan Torain is kind of pointless, guy has one functioning arm, I'm pretty sure he was only talked up when he had two.
 
MAC_32 said:
sholditch said:
Jeff Haseley said:
The first real big hype that I remember was Clinton Portis as a rookie in Denver. There was definitely a grouping of those who were on board with Portis. I was one of them. The Johnson hype machine is actually very similar and possibly bigger than the Portis hype back in 2002. Let's not forget, Portis was a second round pick, so it wasn't a foregone conclusion that he would be great at the next level, only speculation. Johnson was a late first rounder, with some of the same similarities as Portis, in his rookie season.

Other shark pool hypes include:

Brandon Lloyd - moderate hype

Ashley Lelie - moderate hype

Onterrio Smith - big hype

Vernon Davis - moderate hype

Matt Jones - moderate hype

Chester Taylor - big hype

I'm sure there's more that I'm forgetting
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2008 entriesup

Ray Rice

Felix Jones

Troy Smith

Brandon Jackson

Josh Morgan

Pierre Thomas

Jonathan Stewart

Michael Bush/Fargas

Ryan Torain

Andre Hall

Ricky Williams

Chris Johnson

down

Rudi Johnson

DeAngelo Williams

Ronnie Brown

Selvin Young

Willis McGahee

Isaac Bruce

Darren McFadden

LenDale White

I bet that more people from the bottom group do well than people from the top group.
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Maybe I don't spend enough time around here but there are some guys in the talk up list I haven't seen getting a ton of love and vice versa for some of the talk downs...and listing Ryan Torain is kind of pointless, guy has one functioning arm, I'm pretty sure he was only talked up when he had two.
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Fixed
 
There are some good ANTI-fanaticism threads that have panned out as well.

There were threads trashing both Deshaun Foster and Ced Benson. Both included lots of :lmao: s

 
greenline said:
This lead me to wonder has this ocurred in year's past with other players is the Shark Pool? Who were they and how did it turn out? Was the SP right or did the player bust out amid the hype?
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Hmmm... going as far back as I can remember -Kevan BarlowMichael BennettRobert FergusonKoren RobinsonMJDBrandon MarshallMarion Barber (current)Chris Johnson (current)
 
greenline said:
I am amusingly surprised by the number of posts the Chris Johnson thread has amassed. Obviously CJ is a talent and has some serious upside. I just can't believe the action around this kid. This lead me to wonder has this ocurred in year's past with other players is the Shark Pool? Who were they and how did it turn out? Was the SP right or did the player bust out amid the hype?
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I am sure I will be corrected, but on this board, I don't think any player ever got as much press (mostly good) as a non starter than Michael Turner. Jury is still out, but there were marathons about him.My opinion is that he is an above average and solid starting NFL RB.
 
sholditch said:
Jeff Haseley said:
The first real big hype that I remember was Clinton Portis as a rookie in Denver. There was definitely a grouping of those who were on board with Portis. I was one of them. The Johnson hype machine is actually very similar and possibly bigger than the Portis hype back in 2002. Let's not forget, Portis was a second round pick, so it wasn't a foregone conclusion that he would be great at the next level, only speculation. Johnson was a late first rounder, with some of the same similarities as Portis, in his rookie season.

Other shark pool hypes include:

Brandon Lloyd - moderate hype

Ashley Lelie - moderate hype

Onterrio Smith - big hype

Vernon Davis - moderate hype

Matt Jones - moderate hype

Chester Taylor - big hype

I'm sure there's more that I'm forgetting
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2008 entriesup

Ray Rice

Felix Jones

Troy Smith

Brandon Jackson

Josh Morgan

Pierre Thomas

Jonathan Stewart

Michael Bush/Fargas

Ryan Torain

Andre Hall

Ricky Williams

Chris Johnson

Steve Slaton

down

Rudi Johnson

DeAngelo Williams

Ronnie Brown

Selvin Young

Willis McGahee

Isaac Bruce

Darren McFadden

LenDale White

I bet that more people from the bottom group do well than people from the top group.
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Slaton is another one being hyped right now so he should go on the "up" list.
 
skillz said:
sholditch said:
Jeff Haseley said:
The first real big hype that I remember was Clinton Portis as a rookie in Denver. There was definitely a grouping of those who were on board with Portis. I was one of them. The Johnson hype machine is actually very similar and possibly bigger than the Portis hype back in 2002. Let's not forget, Portis was a second round pick, so it wasn't a foregone conclusion that he would be great at the next level, only speculation. Johnson was a late first rounder, with some of the same similarities as Portis, in his rookie season.

Other shark pool hypes include:

Brandon Lloyd - moderate hype

Ashley Lelie - moderate hype

Onterrio Smith - big hype

Vernon Davis - moderate hype

Matt Jones - moderate hype

Chester Taylor - big hype

I'm sure there's more that I'm forgetting
Click to expand...
2008 entriesup

Ray Rice

Felix Jones

Troy Smith

Brandon Jackson

Josh Morgan

Pierre Thomas

Jonathan Stewart

Michael Bush/Fargas

Ryan Torain

Andre Hall

Ricky Williams

Chris Johnson

Steve Slaton

down

Rudi Johnson

DeAngelo Williams

Ronnie Brown

Selvin Young

Willis McGahee

Isaac Bruce

Darren McFadden

LenDale White

I bet that more people from the bottom group do well than people from the top group.
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Slaton is another one being hyped right now so he should go on the "up" list.
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this dude stanks. He'll be a total bust.
 
Otis said:
greenline said:
I am amusingly surprised by the number of posts the Chris Johnson thread has amassed. Obviously CJ is a talent and has some serious upside. I just can't believe the action around this kid. This lead me to wonder has this ocurred in year's past with other players is the Shark Pool? Who were they and how did it turn out? Was the SP right or did the player bust out amid the hype?
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There was lots of hype generated around here about Willie Parker before he became anything. That panned out tremendously.As was already mentioned, I started a Gore "sleeper" thread a couple years back that turned into lots of heated but interesting debate. The folks who bought into him early obviously did fairly well.
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Was going to post this same thing. The Willie Parker SP hype back in the day paid off for me big time. :goodposting:
 
Mogame said:
Reggie Bush
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I remember folks were giving up LT to get Reggie after he had that first preseason game where he ripped off the 50 plus yard run v Tenn in his first carry. i don't think he has had a rushing attempt go that long ever since.
 
Cadillac Williams is another one I can remember. He had those 4 great games to start his rookie season, got injured, and was never the same.

 
Barlow sticks in my mind cause I fell for it. Andre Hall cause I didn't, and still haven't.

One that isn't talked about is Kitna last year. Seems to me that whole strategy was way overhyped and didn't work worth a darn.

 
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