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I sent you my draft board a few days back.Okung, Baluga, Williams, Berry, Haden all gone. Spiller was the top guy left.It would have been a huge reach, IMO, to take tier two guys at 13. To avoid discussing guys not picked yet, would you mind sending me a PM with your list of outstanding players who fill bigger needs?
Except that drafting isn't just about filling need at the earliest possible spot. I think that Spiller would be a GREAT addition to the 49ers and would extend Gore's career in the process.
I understand that, but just because Spiller is the top ranked RB doesn't make him a better pick than the 2nd best safety (top rated by some). Thomas should be a great player and fills an immediate need. I agree with the best player theory if there is a big difference, but in this case, I don't think there is. No big deal, just a difference in opinion............
Parcells has more than a track record against it. He's flat out stated that he finds that position to be the highest risk in the 1st and that comparable players can be had much later. Without Tuna, the logic of this pick works quite well. With Tuna, its clear that the selector either doesn't understand who's in charge or doesn't appreciate the strength of the aversion that Tuna has against a WR in the first.
I agree with everything you just said but I love the pick and it makes alot of sense.
well as stated in the opening post "select players based on what you want to see done or based on how you think the team will actually operate"
Not me.I really, really like Haden and would love to have him, but it would be too tempting to take Clausen there.Sorry I missed things guys, had an issue this afternoon. I would have picked Haden anyway
With the 16th pick the Titans select Derrick Morgan DE from GT
Jeff Fischer would love to be in this situation....Both of the top 2 DE's still on the table.
With Vanden Bosh gone to the Lions, the Titans should focus on the DE position. The Titans ranked 32nd in the league in pass defense last year and that was mainly due the fact that they could not get to the QB. I think the Titans would consider moving back at this spot, since they don't have a 2nd rounder this year. However, with arguably the best pass rusher in the draft still on the board, I find it hard to pass on that need. I feel like there is less risk with Morgan than Pierre-Paul and given the choice of the 2, I would take Morgan.
Georgia Tech DE Derrick Morgan will make the Titans very happy. Morgan has excellent size for a defensive end — 6-3, 266 pounds. He is one of the faster linemen available in this year's draft. Morgan can play the run and the pass. His motor never stops on the field or in the weight room. He is only 21 and his best football could be ahead of him.
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Picked at #8 by the Raiders.
He's from my hometown and I know peeps that know him. Solid character, productive on the field, and fills a need. Nice pick!With the 16th pick the Titans select Derrick Morgan DE from GT
Jeff Fischer would love to be in this situation....Both of the top 2 DE's still on the table.
With Vanden Bosh gone to the Lions, the Titans should focus on the DE position. The Titans ranked 32nd in the league in pass defense last year and that was mainly due the fact that they could not get to the QB. I think the Titans would consider moving back at this spot, since they don't have a 2nd rounder this year. However, with arguably the best pass rusher in the draft still on the board, I find it hard to pass on that need. I feel like there is less risk with Morgan than Pierre-Paul and given the choice of the 2, I would take Morgan.
Georgia Tech DE Derrick Morgan will make the Titans very happy. Morgan has excellent size for a defensive end — 6-3, 266 pounds. He is one of the faster linemen available in this year's draft. Morgan can play the run and the pass. His motor never stops on the field or in the weight room. He is only 21 and his best football could be ahead of him.
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Derrick Morgan or Earl Thomas is the pick here. Out of curiosity, what need do you think Spiller fills that we can't address in later rounds (i.e., KR)? IMHO this is a luxury pick that the niners cannot afford.I sent you my draft board a few days back.Okung, Baluga, Williams, Berry, Haden all gone. Spiller was the top guy left.It would have been a huge reach, IMO, to take tier two guys at 13. To avoid discussing guys not picked yet, would you mind sending me a PM with your list of outstanding players who fill bigger needs?
I did both... I think Bill would trade down... but I can't so I'm picking Bryant.
I had not said for sure, but I think 9am-7pm for the clock during the week is reasonable.
That works for me, means I shouldn't miss any picks!Just out of interest, what sort of prep have guys done for this or are you just winging it based on your opinions?
I use it as an opportunity to learn about the team I'm selecting for, namely the Pats in this draft. Learn needs, tendencies, etc. I may veer off of the beaten path if I discern that an out of the box pick might benefit the team. Of course the Pats tendency is to move all around the draft board, which would fit me just fine, but this format doesn't provide for it unfortunately.
Iiiinnnteresting.Not a bad pick at all. I'm kind of hoping that the Vikes take him if they have the chance.
Sent proxy away until about 2:00 central
Like the pick.
Derrick Morgan is a 4-3 DE. Curious how you think he fits. The BP on my board is a 3-4 pass rushing OLB, but I passed on him because we still have 3 outside rushers this season in Lawson, Haralson, and Brooks. Could we use one in 2011? Yes, but our immediate focus is this year (for once). Anyway, I don't see how Morgan would fit. Definite square peg/round hole.I'm not an Earl Thomas fan, and I don't think FS is a position you take in the 1st. Spiller is a rare playmaker that improves two areas--special teams and O. If you read either of my writeups, my draft goal is immediate impact players that help Smith and the O.Appreciate the input.Derrick Morgan or Earl Thomas is the pick here. Out of curiosity, what need do you think Spiller fills that we can't address in later rounds (i.e., KR)? IMHO this is a luxury pick that the niners cannot afford.I sent you my draft board a few days back.Okung, Baluga, Williams, Berry, Haden all gone. Spiller was the top guy left.It would have been a huge reach, IMO, to take tier two guys at 13. To avoid discussing guys not picked yet, would you mind sending me a PM with your list of outstanding players who fill bigger needs?
The trouble with Scotland is that it's full of Scots.Heard that in a movie once.
I agree that Morgan doesn't fit into the 49er defensive scheme. Curious what you don't like about Thomas. Everyone is all over Eric Berry and one of the most respected "draft experts" Mike Maylock, likes Thomas over Berry. In the pass happy NFL, having a cover safety is huge. Thomas would be a great addition to that defense. FS is the week link...........Anyway, like the Brown pick. I agree that it is a position that absolutely had to be addressed in the first round...............Derrick Morgan is a 4-3 DE. Curious how you think he fits. The BP on my board is a 3-4 pass rushing OLB, but I passed on him because we still have 3 outside rushers this season in Lawson, Haralson, and Brooks. Could we use one in 2011? Yes, but our immediate focus is this year (for once). Anyway, I don't see how Morgan would fit. Definite square peg/round hole.I'm not an Earl Thomas fan, and I don't think FS is a position you take in the 1st. Spiller is a rare playmaker that improves two areas--special teams and O. If you read either of my writeups, my draft goal is immediate impact players that help Smith and the O.Appreciate the input.Derrick Morgan or Earl Thomas is the pick here. Out of curiosity, what need do you think Spiller fills that we can't address in later rounds (i.e., KR)? IMHO this is a luxury pick that the niners cannot afford.I sent you my draft board a few days back.Okung, Baluga, Williams, Berry, Haden all gone. Spiller was the top guy left.It would have been a huge reach, IMO, to take tier two guys at 13. To avoid discussing guys not picked yet, would you mind sending me a PM with your list of outstanding players who fill bigger needs?
I'd be happy if he ended up with a blue star on his helmet next year too.
I don't think Spiller makes any sense for the Giants. They are already very strong at that position and I don't think Spiller is so talented that he is BPA over a number of other players who would also fill a need for the Giants, particularly on defense if so many OTs are off the board at that point. I was considering a D-lineman over Weatherspoon but I would not consider a RB. The RBs were banged up last year but none had serious injuries that will affect their long term, except Brown but he was 4th on the depth chart anyway. Everyone, except maybe Brown, is healthy now.
Curious however that if Spiller was still on the board would you have considered him at 15, as there are reports indicating that the Giants are showing interest, and looked at MLB later with a Spikes or Lee or considered it too much of a luxury pick?
I don't think that's true. But it's your team...
In general, I think safety is a position that can be addressed in later rounds. The guys drafted in the top 15 rarely make the impact of other positions. This might sound crazy...but what has me kinda sour on Thomas is comments like this from Gil Brandt. The Godfather is known for his love of Texas players, but he is lukewarm on Thomas. Brandt said Thomas would have benefitted from another year in school, and sees him as a 2nd round value player. It was tough to pass on DB here. I appreciate your inputI agree that Morgan doesn't fit into the 49er defensive scheme. Curious what you don't like about Thomas. Everyone is all over Eric Berry and one of the most respected "draft experts" Mike Maylock, likes Thomas over Berry. In the pass happy NFL, having a cover safety is huge. Thomas would be a great addition to that defense. FS is the week link...........Anyway, like the Brown pick. I agree that it is a position that absolutely had to be addressed in the first round...............Derrick Morgan is a 4-3 DE. Curious how you think he fits. The BP on my board is a 3-4 pass rushing OLB, but I passed on him because we still have 3 outside rushers this season in Lawson, Haralson, and Brooks. Could we use one in 2011? Yes, but our immediate focus is this year (for once). Anyway, I don't see how Morgan would fit. Definite square peg/round hole.I'm not an Earl Thomas fan, and I don't think FS is a position you take in the 1st. Spiller is a rare playmaker that improves two areas--special teams and O. If you read either of my writeups, my draft goal is immediate impact players that help Smith and the O.Appreciate the input.Derrick Morgan or Earl Thomas is the pick here. Out of curiosity, what need do you think Spiller fills that we can't address in later rounds (i.e., KR)? IMHO this is a luxury pick that the niners cannot afford.I sent you my draft board a few days back.Okung, Baluga, Williams, Berry, Haden all gone. Spiller was the top guy left.It would have been a huge reach, IMO, to take tier two guys at 13. To avoid discussing guys not picked yet, would you mind sending me a PM with your list of outstanding players who fill bigger needs?
At the same time, Rob Rang has him going to the Jags at 10.
They're called hypocycloids...and there's a red one and a yellow one too.
I wouldn't mind seeing him on the Pats either!!!!They're called hypocycloids...and there's a red one and a yellow one too.
Earl Thomas went to the Seahawks already with the 14th pick.doowain said:
Well played. Thats pretty damn funny.They're called hypocycloids...and there's a red one and a yellow one too.
Oops.....was doing it from my phone and didn't go back to the 1st page.....I didn't remember him being taken.Oh well, pick coming...
You guys are correct. I was wrong about Parcells and Keyshaun Johnson. Parcells was still with the Pats in 1996.
Would have liked the Samoan here... but Mays is a good pick.
Dude's gonna be a stud. It wouldn't surprise me if he was the Dolphins' selection.
