huh?Vernon Davis down?
Jenkins is a good pick here. CB may not be the biggest need but I think he is definitely best player available.Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio StateWhat I'm hoping is that the Redskins can add Jordan Gross Tackle Carolina Panthers with Free Agency, so I was hoping to get a DT/DE with this pick. But with the run on both Oline, and Dline, when your picking with the 13th pick, you go with best avialable. Word is that the Skins are trying to resign Hall, and would let Rogers go, Smoot is not a number 2 anymore, and Springs couldn't play 16 games in 2 seasons combined. I think that if the draft went like this the Skins would take Jenkins for these reasons. Also knowing that Saints would want Jenkins, and could possibly trade out of this spot, moving down in the round, going after Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss, Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU, or even Alex Mack, C, California.
Do you mean Vontae Davis?Vernon Davis down?
That's debatableJenkins is a good pick here. CB may not be the biggest need but I think he is definitely best player available.

Again, debatable. Many believe Vontae Davis is a better CB so he may not even have been the best corner left.The BPA bar none. If Raji had gone, I would have been leaning towards Jenkins (for SF) as the stone cold BPA.Jenkins is a good pick here. CB may not be the biggest need but I think he is definitely best player available.Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio StateWhat I'm hoping is that the Redskins can add Jordan Gross Tackle Carolina Panthers with Free Agency, so I was hoping to get a DT/DE with this pick. But with the run on both Oline, and Dline, when your picking with the 13th pick, you go with best avialable. Word is that the Skins are trying to resign Hall, and would let Rogers go, Smoot is not a number 2 anymore, and Springs couldn't play 16 games in 2 seasons combined. I think that if the draft went like this the Skins would take Jenkins for these reasons. Also knowing that Saints would want Jenkins, and could possibly trade out of this spot, moving down in the round, going after Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss, Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU, or even Alex Mack, C, California.
Yeah that's what I meant! You don't speak drunk?Do you mean Vontae Davis?Vernon Davis down?
thanks. give me a minute to think it over...saintfool has been PM'ed
I'll take it. Here's hoping some added pressure on opposing QBs means they don't have as long to wait for the secondary to blow coverage.ok...1.14 New Orleans Saints pick Brian Cushing, OLB USC
Porter had better pan out.
Will make the defense a lot better. Too early for Sanchez.Yes. And I sent him a PM which he'll hopefully get in the morning.so who exactly is San Diego? Is it pgreenfan ?
gotchaYes. And I sent him a PM which he'll hopefully get in the morning.so who exactly is San Diego? Is it pgreenfan ?
Gotta admit, I'm not crazy about this pick for the Chargers. As pass receiving targets they have Jackson, Gates and Chambers established. Malcolm Floyd started to become a factor for them later in the year and they have two developmental prospects in Davis and Naanee...I know Davis has been a bust to date, but you just spent a 2007 1st rounder at this position. Would you want to do it again?While Maclin might be great value, I don't think he solves any problems for the Chargers. They didn't have any issues moving the ball through the air in '08. I know Chambers is a FA after next season, so maybe this is a replenishment pick. You give Maclin one year to learn and then set him loose in 2010.1.16 San Diego Chargers - Jeremy Maclin, WR - While not the biggest need of the Chargers Maclin gives them a game changer at WR who compliments Vincent Jackson extremely well. Maclin makes plays happen with the ball in his hands.
I really thought I would be taking a corner here but think that the value that Maclin presents is simply to good to pass on.
Pretty much my exact thoughts. IMO, CB was a much bigger need considering you're contending with Indy and NE (both passing teams) year in and year out in the playoffs.Gotta admit, I'm not crazy about this pick for the Chargers. As pass receiving targets they have Jackson, Gates and Chambers established. Malcolm Floyd started to become a factor for them later in the year and they have two developmental prospects in Davis and Naanee...I know Davis has been a bust to date, but you just spent a 2007 1st rounder at this position. Would you want to do it again?While Maclin might be great value, I don't think he solves any problems for the Chargers. They didn't have any issues moving the ball through the air in '08. I know Chambers is a FA after next season, so maybe this is a replenishment pick. You give Maclin one year to learn and then set him loose in 2010.1.16 San Diego Chargers - Jeremy Maclin, WR - While not the biggest need of the Chargers Maclin gives them a game changer at WR who compliments Vincent Jackson extremely well. Maclin makes plays happen with the ball in his hands.
I really thought I would be taking a corner here but think that the value that Maclin presents is simply to good to pass on.
Yeah, if were Orakpo i would be very happy. think Maclin as a spped compliment to Johnson/Walter has merit here, but all the other guys in this area of the board rated like 12 one place and 25 another, so going need (pass rusher) became the option. Whether the Texans try to find a full-sized every down DE over pass rusher and hope he fills out more is a fair question.1.15 Houston: Aaron Maybin DE Penn StateInteresting. Even over Orakpo? People sure are high on this guy that seems undersized to me. Orakpo went to Cleveland with the #5 pick Andy.
If I could lay odds, Houston is the most likely team to trade down. They have depth issues after having no 2nd rounders the last two years, there are no safeties worth this high a pick, there are no complete 4-3 DE prospects, there will be a plethera of options at corner at this slot and that is not that pressing a need if they resign or franchise Dunta Robinson.But since there are no trades in this mock, this is the pick I would have made as well. Cushing would have been my first option as I'm not sold on Maybin, but he went one slot ahead to NO. Morlon Greenwood is a likely cut, Will Demps is coming off a broken leg and Adibi is more of a depth option to me. GM Rick Smith recently came back from the Senior Bowl gushing about how impressive the linebackers were at the practices so I think a LB'er makes about as much sense as a DE if the DE prospects left aren't all that promising.Houston Texans select Aaron Maybin DE Penn StateThis is a pick where all my alternatives had questions, so I went will a productive, character guy which is what generally I think the Texans lean towards. My issue with Maybin is that he has not played a ton of college football and like Oyoke before him could take longer to be a quality pro than I really want to wait. The Texans need a pass rusher across from Mario williams so it fills a need. In terms of pure BPA Macklin or Vontae Davis might be a little better, but assuming the Texans sign or franchise Robinson both of those needs are secondary to finding a potential pass rusher. Honestly, I am not excited about Maybin, but not sure if any player would be a better match of talent and need.
My thinking is that the dropoff at WR is greater than the dropoff for CB in the second round. I am gambling and somewhat painting myself into a corner for round two but I REALLY like Maclin a lot. I do understand the concerns of not addressing other needs though.Gotta admit, I'm not crazy about this pick for the Chargers. As pass receiving targets they have Jackson, Gates and Chambers established. Malcolm Floyd started to become a factor for them later in the year and they have two developmental prospects in Davis and Naanee...I know Davis has been a bust to date, but you just spent a 2007 1st rounder at this position. Would you want to do it again?While Maclin might be great value, I don't think he solves any problems for the Chargers. They didn't have any issues moving the ball through the air in '08. I know Chambers is a FA after next season, so maybe this is a replenishment pick. You give Maclin one year to learn and then set him loose in 2010.1.16 San Diego Chargers - Jeremy Maclin, WR - While not the biggest need of the Chargers Maclin gives them a game changer at WR who compliments Vincent Jackson extremely well. Maclin makes plays happen with the ball in his hands.
I really thought I would be taking a corner here but think that the value that Maclin presents is simply to good to pass on.
Yea, a situation like this is really a worst case scenario. I think Vontae Davis could potentially be a FS convert, though Lance Zierlein said his secondary contact (who's supposedly very reliable) doesn't like Davis' discipline. So, assuming Dunta is re-signed, you probably don't go there. Maclin would be nice but our needs on defense are simply too great.We might be able to bridge the gap with a project like Maybin by signing a veteran pass rusher like Bert Berry. But, if a situation like this plays out I think you try and trade down. Even if you don't get full value, it'd be better to move back a bit and add an extra pick than to reach on someone or draft at a non-need position.Houston Texans select Aaron Maybin DE Penn StateThis is a pick where all my alternatives had questions, so I went will a productive, character guy which is what generally I think the Texans lean towards. My issue with Maybin is that he has not played a ton of college football and like Oyoke before him could take longer to be a quality pro than I really want to wait. The Texans need a pass rusher across from Mario williams so it fills a need. In terms of pure BPA Macklin or Vontae Davis might be a little better, but assuming the Texans sign or franchise Robinson both of those needs are secondary to finding a potential pass rusher. Honestly, I am not excited about Maybin, but not sure if any player would be a better match of talent and need.
Blackjacks said:1.15 Houston: Aaron Maybin DE Penn State
Interesting. Even over Orakpo? People sure are high on this guy that seems undersized to me.
Orakpo went to Cleveland with the #5 pick Andy.
I really doubt that they'd take a WR. Among all the other guys they have, they drafted Buster Davis a couple years back so another WR in the 1st might be a bad PR move.As far as taking a CB goes, I don't think that's the right thinking either. Cason played pretty well as a rookie, Cromartie should bounce back, and the other guy (Florence?) played really well too.pgreenfan said:1.16 San Diego Chargers - Jeremy Maclin, WR - While not the biggest need of the Chargers Maclin gives them a game changer at WR who compliments Vincent Jackson extremely well. Maclin makes plays happen with the ball in his hands.
I really thought I would be taking a corner here but think that the value that Maclin presents is simply to good to pass on.
I think if Curry, Maualuga, or Cushing fall to us they will be our pick.McMouthpiece had this to say:Buckna said:If I could lay odds, Houston is the most likely team to trade down. They have depth issues after having no 2nd rounders the last two years, there are no safeties worth this high a pick, there are no complete 4-3 DE prospects, there will be a plethera of options at corner at this slot and that is not that pressing a need if they resign or franchise Dunta Robinson.But since there are no trades in this mock, this is the pick I would have made as well. Cushing would have been my first option as I'm not sold on Maybin, but he went one slot ahead to NO. Morlon Greenwood is a likely cut, Will Demps is coming off a broken leg and Adibi is more of a depth option to me. GM Rick Smith recently came back from the Senior Bowl gushing about how impressive the linebackers were at the practices so I think a LB'er makes about as much sense as a DE if the DE prospects left aren't all that promising.coolnerd said:Houston Texans select Aaron Maybin DE Penn StateThis is a pick where all my alternatives had questions, so I went will a productive, character guy which is what generally I think the Texans lean towards. My issue with Maybin is that he has not played a ton of college football and like Oyoke before him could take longer to be a quality pro than I really want to wait. The Texans need a pass rusher across from Mario williams so it fills a need. In terms of pure BPA Macklin or Vontae Davis might be a little better, but assuming the Texans sign or franchise Robinson both of those needs are secondary to finding a potential pass rusher. Honestly, I am not excited about Maybin, but not sure if any player would be a better match of talent and need.
The Texans also need to get bigger and better at outside linebacker.Xavier Adibi, who weighed 225, made some big plays when he was healthy. The problem was that he wasn’t healthy enough. In a perfect world, Adibi puts on about five or 10 pounds of muscle and stays healthy, but the Texans won’t know for sure until the season.Because of the uncertainty over Diles and Adibi, Smith and Kubiak need to add an outside linebacker. Keep in mind that it’s not out of the question that they will use their first-round pick on one because it’s a talented position in this draft.
Cushing would add a nice pass-rushing ability as well which is greatly needed and would fit the new DC's attacking style of defense.I think if Curry, Mauluga, or Cushing fall to us they will be our pick.McMouthpiece had this to say:Buckna said:If I could lay odds, Houston is the most likely team to trade down. They have depth issues after having no 2nd rounders the last two years, there are no safeties worth this high a pick, there are no complete 4-3 DE prospects, there will be a plethera of options at corner at this slot and that is not that pressing a need if they resign or franchise Dunta Robinson.But since there are no trades in this mock, this is the pick I would have made as well. Cushing would have been my first option as I'm not sold on Maybin, but he went one slot ahead to NO. Morlon Greenwood is a likely cut, Will Demps is coming off a broken leg and Adibi is more of a depth option to me. GM Rick Smith recently came back from the Senior Bowl gushing about how impressive the linebackers were at the practices so I think a LB'er makes about as much sense as a DE if the DE prospects left aren't all that promising.coolnerd said:Houston Texans select Aaron Maybin DE Penn StateThis is a pick where all my alternatives had questions, so I went will a productive, character guy which is what generally I think the Texans lean towards. My issue with Maybin is that he has not played a ton of college football and like Oyoke before him could take longer to be a quality pro than I really want to wait. The Texans need a pass rusher across from Mario williams so it fills a need. In terms of pure BPA Macklin or Vontae Davis might be a little better, but assuming the Texans sign or franchise Robinson both of those needs are secondary to finding a potential pass rusher. Honestly, I am not excited about Maybin, but not sure if any player would be a better match of talent and need.The Texans also need to get bigger and better at outside linebacker.Xavier Adibi, who weighed 225, made some big plays when he was healthy. The problem was that he wasn’t healthy enough. In a perfect world, Adibi puts on about five or 10 pounds of muscle and stays healthy, but the Texans won’t know for sure until the season.Because of the uncertainty over Diles and Adibi, Smith and Kubiak need to add an outside linebacker. Keep in mind that it’s not out of the question that they will use their first-round pick on one because it’s a talented position in this draft.
I didn't like this pick much when I first saw it. It's not a bad pick but I thought surely a better prospect had to be available. After trying to find a better option I like this pick more. It's just too early for any of the safeties or a project every down DE like Michael Johnson. Peria Jerry might be a guy, but it's a deep draft for DTs and still a little early for him and it's not a big need for Houston. None of the remaining offensive linemen fit well with this draft position and Houston's scheme. Wells and McCoy are there, but Houston really only needs a short yardage RB to compliment Slaton. And of course the Denver system guys don't like early round RBs anyways. So not a lot of good options. I likely would have gone Vontae Davis as it's a bit difficult to assume they resign Robinson, but it's a tough call. Maybin has talent and could do well opposite Mario.coolnerd said:Houston Texans select Aaron Maybin DE Penn StateThis is a pick where all my alternatives had questions, so I went will a productive, character guy which is what generally I think the Texans lean towards. My issue with Maybin is that he has not played a ton of college football and like Oyoke before him could take longer to be a quality pro than I really want to wait. The Texans need a pass rusher across from Mario williams so it fills a need. In terms of pure BPA Macklin or Vontae Davis might be a little better, but assuming the Texans sign or franchise Robinson both of those needs are secondary to finding a potential pass rusher. Honestly, I am not excited about Maybin, but not sure if any player would be a better match of talent and need.
I think a guy like Davis, Alphonso Smith or D.J. Moore would be awfully tempting.I didn't like this pick much when I first saw it. It's not a bad pick but I thought surely a better prospect had to be available. After trying to find a better option I like this pick more. It's just too early for any of the safeties or a project every down DE like Michael Johnson. Peria Jerry might be a guy, but it's a deep draft for DTs and still a little early for him and it's not a big need for Houston. None of the remaining offensive linemen fit well with this draft position and Houston's scheme. Wells and McCoy are there, but Houston really only needs a short yardage RB to compliment Slaton. And of course the Denver system guys don't like early round RBs anyways. So not a lot of good options. I likely would have gone Vontae Davis as it's a bit difficult to assume they resign Robinson, but it's a tough call. Maybin has talent and could do well opposite Mario.coolnerd said:Houston Texans select Aaron Maybin DE Penn StateThis is a pick where all my alternatives had questions, so I went will a productive, character guy which is what generally I think the Texans lean towards. My issue with Maybin is that he has not played a ton of college football and like Oyoke before him could take longer to be a quality pro than I really want to wait. The Texans need a pass rusher across from Mario williams so it fills a need. In terms of pure BPA Macklin or Vontae Davis might be a little better, but assuming the Texans sign or franchise Robinson both of those needs are secondary to finding a potential pass rusher. Honestly, I am not excited about Maybin, but not sure if any player would be a better match of talent and need.
I guess it all depends on how you rank Maclin, I don't see this as a great value pick. To me, Vontae Davis offers similar value at a position of greater need. Also, I'm sure we'll know more at draft time, but as of right now the turmoil at the RB spot might make me lean towards McCoy or Wells.pgreenfan said:1.16 San Diego Chargers - Jeremy Maclin, WR - While not the biggest need of the Chargers Maclin gives them a game changer at WR who compliments Vincent Jackson extremely well. Maclin makes plays happen with the ball in his hands.
I really thought I would be taking a corner here but think that the value that Maclin presents is simply to good to pass on.
Why is corner such a need for SD? I know they were ranked low in pass defense but is that due to the backfield or the fact that the front seven didn't get pressure?I guess it all depends on how you rank Maclin, I don't see this as a great value pick. To me, Vontae Davis offers similar value at a position of greater need. Also, I'm sure we'll know more at draft time, but as of right now the turmoil at the RB spot might make me lean towards McCoy or Wells.pgreenfan said:1.16 San Diego Chargers - Jeremy Maclin, WR - While not the biggest need of the Chargers Maclin gives them a game changer at WR who compliments Vincent Jackson extremely well. Maclin makes plays happen with the ball in his hands.
I really thought I would be taking a corner here but think that the value that Maclin presents is simply to good to pass on.
I thought Cason played well.Why is corner such a need for SD? I know they were ranked low in pass defense but is that due to the backfield or the fact that the front seven didn't get pressure?I guess it all depends on how you rank Maclin, I don't see this as a great value pick. To me, Vontae Davis offers similar value at a position of greater need. Also, I'm sure we'll know more at draft time, but as of right now the turmoil at the RB spot might make me lean towards McCoy or Wells.pgreenfan said:1.16 San Diego Chargers - Jeremy Maclin, WR - While not the biggest need of the Chargers Maclin gives them a game changer at WR who compliments Vincent Jackson extremely well. Maclin makes plays happen with the ball in his hands.
I really thought I would be taking a corner here but think that the value that Maclin presents is simply to good to pass on.
That's debatable but their biggest source of pass pressure obviously wasn't on the field in 2008. And if you are looking at front seven who are you looking at here? Peria Jerry, James Laurinaitis, Clint Sintim, Paul Kruger, Clay Mattews? I guess Sintim could be an option, he did play 3-4 in college. I like Mattews, and he can pressure the QB, might be early for him. I see Jerry and Kruger as more 4-3 guys, but I guess Kruger might be a 3-4 DT. I'm sure you have a guy in mind, share.Why is corner such a need for SD? I know they were ranked low in pass defense but is that due to the backfield or the fact that the front seven didn't get pressure?I guess it all depends on how you rank Maclin, I don't see this as a great value pick. To me, Vontae Davis offers similar value at a position of greater need. Also, I'm sure we'll know more at draft time, but as of right now the turmoil at the RB spot might make me lean towards McCoy or Wells.pgreenfan said:1.16 San Diego Chargers - Jeremy Maclin, WR - While not the biggest need of the Chargers Maclin gives them a game changer at WR who compliments Vincent Jackson extremely well. Maclin makes plays happen with the ball in his hands.
I really thought I would be taking a corner here but think that the value that Maclin presents is simply to good to pass on.

I think Tyson Jackson would be a good option to play one of the DE positions.Eben Britton would have to be considered as the right side of the o-line was really sketchy.That's debatable but their biggest source of pass pressure obviously wasn't on the field in 2008. And if you are looking at front seven who are you looking at here? Peria Jerry, James Laurinaitis, Clint Sintim, Paul Kruger, Clay Mattews? I guess Sintim could be an option, he did play 3-4 in college. I like Mattews, and he can pressure the QB, might be early for him. I see Jerry and Kruger as more 4-3 guys, but I guess Kruger might be a 3-4 DT. I'm sure you have a guy in mind, share.![]()
Jets won't take Davis, so it looks like the Bears win the ridiculously under-valued Vontae Davis sweeptstakes. Should have been off the board already.Yeah that's what I meant! You don't speak drunk?Do you mean Vontae Davis?Vernon Davis down?
Again, I'm of the mind that the safety is the most pressing need. Without trading down, drafting Moore at 1.14 would have been a serious reach. A young, athletic OLB would be a welcome addition to the fans as well as to the coaches. Vilma, Fujita and Cushing would be a damn fine trio behind the front four.PranksterJD said:I'll take it. Here's hoping some added pressure on opposing QBs means they don't have as long to wait for the secondary to blow coverage.ok...1.14 New Orleans Saints pick Brian Cushing, OLB USCPorter had better pan out.
Tyson Jackson may be the best 3-4 DE available but I don't think he represent good value at this point in the draft. I know others are higher on him but at this point I don't see it. I wouldn't argue with Britton. I'm a big fan of drafting the big guys early and Britton is certainly a guy who could have had a top 10 grade with another year of college. I just think Davis represents good value and they could use another CB. If they end up with 3 guys that can play corner even better. Nickleback might be the most unappreciated position in football. I know with the Jaguars I charted it a couple years ago and they had 5 or more DBs on the field more than 50% of the time. As a side note, no one thinks they go RB here? I'm not predicting it but thought it would at least be part of the discussion.I think Tyson Jackson would be a good option to play one of the DE positions.Eben Britton would have to be considered as the right side of the o-line was really sketchy.That's debatable but their biggest source of pass pressure obviously wasn't on the field in 2008. And if you are looking at front seven who are you looking at here? Peria Jerry, James Laurinaitis, Clint Sintim, Paul Kruger, Clay Mattews? I guess Sintim could be an option, he did play 3-4 in college. I like Mattews, and he can pressure the QB, might be early for him. I see Jerry and Kruger as more 4-3 guys, but I guess Kruger might be a 3-4 DT. I'm sure you have a guy in mind, share.![]()
This is one of the problems with doing a mock this early. Certainly by draft time we should know the Chargers situation at RB. But if you are mocking their pick now do assume they get the RB situation handled or draft according to the current situation? The same thing happened with the Texans pick, do you assume they resign Robinson? I don't know the answer, but it's part of what makes doing something like this at this time interesting.Personally, I think it's an 85% chance LT restructures and a 60% chance Sproles is resigned. That means no need for the Chargers to take a RB in the first this year.Those percentages are based on my own intuition so who really knows at this point.
I agree. They have Jammer, Cromartie and Cason who are decent and are all 1st rounders. I don't think they need to take another. I can see Maclin taken if the Chargers lose Sproles since they will need another KR/PR. I could see SD going a number of directions in the 1st.Why is corner such a need for SD? I know they were ranked low in pass defense but is that due to the backfield or the fact that the front seven didn't get pressure?I guess it all depends on how you rank Maclin, I don't see this as a great value pick. To me, Vontae Davis offers similar value at a position of greater need. Also, I'm sure we'll know more at draft time, but as of right now the turmoil at the RB spot might make me lean towards McCoy or Wells.pgreenfan said:1.16 San Diego Chargers - Jeremy Maclin, WR - While not the biggest need of the Chargers Maclin gives them a game changer at WR who compliments Vincent Jackson extremely well. Maclin makes plays happen with the ball in his hands.
I really thought I would be taking a corner here but think that the value that Maclin presents is simply to good to pass on.
Did Rovers ever formally sign up for the Jets? I can't see where he did, but AD put him in as Jets selector. Does he even know he's part of this?
Was wondering the exact same thing.He said he wanted to in another thread that discussed this mock happening. I suppose it's possible that he doesn't know.I can make the pick to move it along. I think it's an easy pick.Did Rovers ever formally sign up for the Jets? I can't see where he did, but AD put him in as Jets selector. Does he even know he's part of this?
You don't think much of Dwight Lowery, I take it?17. New York Jets - Vontae Davis, CB - IllinoisDarrelle Revis is the next superstar at CB. But they have nothing playing opposite him.There are many options here, but I have to go and don't have the time to put down more.
Relative need meets excellent value here.17. New York Jets - Vontae Davis, CB - IllinoisDarrelle Revis is the next superstar at CB. But they have nothing playing opposite him.There are many options here, but I have to go and don't have the time to put down more.