Too bad he sucked BEFORE he broke his foot...Played on a broken foot. Yeah that would not affect him.No, his skill level looks about the same as it was last year..... which was not good.Do people really believe his skills as a RB have dropped so dramatically since last year?
He broke his foot the first game of the 2006 season. Get your fact's straight.Too bad he sucked BEFORE he broke his foot...Played on a broken foot. Yeah that would not affect him.No, his skill level looks about the same as it was last year..... which was not good.Do people really believe his skills as a RB have dropped so dramatically since last year?
And what exactly do you expect him to do with those opportunities? Oh, I'm sorry, did you mean those same oppertunities he had this past sunday? Hasslebeck throws a 1 yd td......why not give it to the former MVP? Because they know he will get stuffed. This former great now goes down on first contact, he has no heart anymore. You know why? Because he already got his money now.....and as a result does not give a damn anymore.....sad really. Money affects everyone differently, some guys get their big contract and still produce. Not Alexander.Just accept that the starting running back on your favorite team is WASHED UP. Wrong side of 30 my friend.Comments like this just kill me. Nearly all the Seahawks homer agree that Alexander is somewhat of a liability. He hasn't been producing, and he's not going to produce like he has in the past. However, to ignore the fact that he's still going to get ample opportunities is absurd. Holmgren is nowhere near benching him. Some of us would like to see Morris get more carries, but Holmgren has been very adamant that Alexander is still his guy.Alexander is a focal point of an offense on a good team. A playoff team. A team that's going to score at a decent clip. To ignore these key facts is absurd. Worse players than Alexander have scored solid points from week to week in the past. Opportunity is the key. He's going to continue to see those opportunities.ProBowler88 said:The only comeback Shaun Alexander is having is to the donut shop.
I'm throughly convinced that anyone that can't stop feeding the board the whole "I know and you don't" thing have little #####. Second?None of us "know" for sure. You might be right. Alexander may have a dreadful second half just like his first half. However, you don't know for sure, and spouting off like you do "know" makes you look like a tool of the highest order. There are some reasons that he may rebound. Anyone willing to stop and objectively analyze the situation would have to agree there are reasons for optimism.And what exactly do you expect him to do with those opportunities? Oh, I'm sorry, did you mean those same oppertunities he had this past sunday? Hasslebeck throws a 1 yd td......why not give it to the former MVP? Because they know he will get stuffed. This former great now goes down on first contact, he has no heart anymore. You know why? Because he already got his money now.....and as a result does not give a damn anymore.....sad really. Money affects everyone differently, some guys get their big contract and still produce. Not Alexander.Just accept that the starting running back on your favorite team is WASHED UP. Wrong side of 30 my friend.Comments like this just kill me. Nearly all the Seahawks homer agree that Alexander is somewhat of a liability. He hasn't been producing, and he's not going to produce like he has in the past. However, to ignore the fact that he's still going to get ample opportunities is absurd. Holmgren is nowhere near benching him. Some of us would like to see Morris get more carries, but Holmgren has been very adamant that Alexander is still his guy.Alexander is a focal point of an offense on a good team. A playoff team. A team that's going to score at a decent clip. To ignore these key facts is absurd. Worse players than Alexander have scored solid points from week to week in the past. Opportunity is the key. He's going to continue to see those opportunities.ProBowler88 said:The only comeback Shaun Alexander is having is to the donut shop.
He got booed at home........even the fans are sick of his $#1t
Jesus, you hate when you are wrong aren't you? If I knew you would be this upset, I would have just given you a bottle and tell you it will be ok.I "know" what I said because alexander provided me with all the backup facts I need for my statements to be true.I'm throughly convinced that anyone that can't stop feeding the board the whole "I know and you don't" thing have little #####. Second?None of us "know" for sure. You might be right. Alexander may have a dreadful second half just like his first half. However, you don't know for sure, and spouting off like you do "know" makes you look like a tool of the highest order. There are some reasons that he may rebound. Anyone willing to stop and objectively analyze the situation would have to agree there are reasons for optimism.And what exactly do you expect him to do with those opportunities? Oh, I'm sorry, did you mean those same oppertunities he had this past sunday? Hasslebeck throws a 1 yd td......why not give it to the former MVP? Because they know he will get stuffed. This former great now goes down on first contact, he has no heart anymore. You know why? Because he already got his money now.....and as a result does not give a damn anymore.....sad really. Money affects everyone differently, some guys get their big contract and still produce. Not Alexander.Just accept that the starting running back on your favorite team is WASHED UP. Wrong side of 30 my friend.Comments like this just kill me. Nearly all the Seahawks homer agree that Alexander is somewhat of a liability. He hasn't been producing, and he's not going to produce like he has in the past. However, to ignore the fact that he's still going to get ample opportunities is absurd. Holmgren is nowhere near benching him. Some of us would like to see Morris get more carries, but Holmgren has been very adamant that Alexander is still his guy.Alexander is a focal point of an offense on a good team. A playoff team. A team that's going to score at a decent clip. To ignore these key facts is absurd. Worse players than Alexander have scored solid points from week to week in the past. Opportunity is the key. He's going to continue to see those opportunities.ProBowler88 said:The only comeback Shaun Alexander is having is to the donut shop.
He got booed at home........even the fans are sick of his $#1t
On second thought, forget it. You have a little ****. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
By that I assume you mean other Seahawk fans......because absolutely no one in their right mind would think that Alexander will bounce back after what he has done thus far. Like I said....DENIAL......makes me sick, just accept that he now sucks fat ###.Anyone willing to stop and objectively analyze the situation would have to agree there are reasons for optimism.
Please don't lump us into his denial club. The boos should show our stance on SA's effort thus far. Shaun got his money and actually has to work for yards now. He's not playing for a pay day anymore so there goes the SA that converted 15/17 short yardage downs in 05. Welcome back Shaun Crumpler. If he had any heart whatsoever he would at least fall FORWARD when he runs into the slightest of contact and not be begging the coach to play when the game is essentially over.ProBowler88 said:By that I assume you mean other Seahawk fans......because absolutely no one in their right mind would think that Alexander will bounce back after what he has done thus far.Anyone willing to stop and objectively analyze the situation would have to agree there are reasons for optimism.
Like I said....DENIAL......makes me sick, just accept that he now sucks fat ###.
That's all I'm saying. Glad we agree. There's a chance and I can understand why someone would argue that position. I'm in the camp that Alexander is done being a super star fantasy RB, but I can certainly see why he might score enough fantasy points to still be a viable starter in any league.He may very well turn it around, ...
No sweat. If you want to side with over the top know-it-all arrogance you're entitled.And really, penis jokes? Ludicrous. You're making us look bad simply by liking the same team. Definitely NOT a good Seahawk rep.
Now don't go throwing Branch under the bus, dude was on pace for some nice numbers.Bottom line on SA is: He's aged. The injury may play a role but he has clearly lost a step. Also his O-Line is no longer a powerhouse.If you were Shawn's mom we might understand the arguement. However, when did it happen that fantasy football analysis started to ignore the surrounding facts. The offensive line was reduced by its best component; why would we ignore the fact of its poor performance? What could make that any better in two weeks?The receivers are bad. Branch was a hunch who is either not playing or not playing well. Why would anyone believe that situation is going to change.I continue to be amazed at how reactionary people around here are.
For two + years, Alexander has been a stud rb with a nose for the endzone. He has plenty of skill and great vision. Now, the offense is struggling, they have had injuries at WR and their O-Line has been playing poorly. What amazes me is how everyone is ready to write Alexander off and make comments that he has no heart and his skills are obviously deteriorated etc.
Do people really believe his skills as a RB have dropped so dramatically since last year?
The fact is Holmgren is a very good coach and realizes what the problems are. To wit, the o-line has simply not been executing as it should. The Hawks have 2 full weeks to address the problems, and they will. Alexander's injury has clearly effected his play, as well as his mindset. However, all indications are that the cast will be coming off and he should be healthy coming off the bye. I also read that Branch should be coming back close to 100% as well.
Do I thinnk Alexander is going to run amok and be a top 5 back for the second half of the season? Probably not. But he is a very talented back with the bye week coming at the perfect time for him, and the team. They should get healthy and address the problems along the o-line. Throw in the favorable schedule for the rest of the year and I think Alexander will have a very solid second half of the year.
Just my two cents.
I drafted him with the 4th pick in one league so there are not too many who think as highly of him as I do. But! He's 30, he's not getting yards and is not the 1st, 2nd and 3rd option in the red-zone anymore. I'm sure he's a wonderful guy and an exceptional physical specimen, but the indicators all point to DONE.
It's Holmgren. They pass on 1st down all the time. I have no desire to look it up but I would guess they pass on 1st 2-1 over run. I could be totally wrong on the numbers , but it's a pass first offense. There's no way that opponents keying in on the run is a major concern. In Pit they dropped 8 into coverage regularly, on all downs, because they knew SA couldn't run the ball. Hass had all day to throw but no one open and similarly SA had less guys up front to worry about but he still can't even fall forward at the LoS.Maybe if Seattle would quit running Alexander on 1st and 2nd down everytime other teams would quit stacking the line on 1st and 2nd down, and then just maybe Alexander might start seeing some holes when other teams are expecting the pass. It doesn't help Alexander's cause when teams know what Seattle is going to do on the early downs. It is even more important now to keep the opposition guessing because of their OL problems. Perhaps throwing it on 1st down and running it on 3rd down might keep other teams off balance some and give Alexander more running room? Hell, if they want to be safe about it, just throw some short flair passes on 1st down. That's as good as a run anyway.
I going by what I saw the only time I watched a Seattle game, and that was last week. I could be wrong, but it seemed to me they ran it on 1st down a lot, then the boo birds would come out on SA. They seem to be running exactly when it's an obvious running play.It's Holmgren. They pass on 1st down all the time. I have no desire to look it up but I would guess they pass on 1st 2-1 over run. I could be totally wrong on the numbers , but it's a pass first offense. There's no way that opponents keying in on the run is a major concern. In Pit they dropped 8 into coverage regularly, on all downs, because they knew SA couldn't run the ball. Hass had all day to throw but no one open and similarly SA had less guys up front to worry about but he still can't even fall forward at the LoS.Maybe if Seattle would quit running Alexander on 1st and 2nd down everytime other teams would quit stacking the line on 1st and 2nd down, and then just maybe Alexander might start seeing some holes when other teams are expecting the pass. It doesn't help Alexander's cause when teams know what Seattle is going to do on the early downs. It is even more important now to keep the opposition guessing because of their OL problems. Perhaps throwing it on 1st down and running it on 3rd down might keep other teams off balance some and give Alexander more running room? Hell, if they want to be safe about it, just throw some short flair passes on 1st down. That's as good as a run anyway.
Awesome. Extreme hyperbole on each end of the spectrum. Which of you two are going to try to back up these statements with some data? Somehow, I'm guessing the answer is pretty close to the center making you both wrong. I don't know and would be curious to see the numbers.It's Holmgren. They pass on 1st down all the time.Maybe if Seattle would quit running Alexander on 1st and 2nd down everytime
I would like to know as well. Hell, I was basing what I said on one game I sawAwesome. Extreme hyperbole on each end of the spectrum. Which of you two are going to try to back up these statements with some data? Somehow, I'm guessing the answer is pretty close to the center making you both wrong. I don't know and would be curious to see the numbers.It's Holmgren. They pass on 1st down all the time.Maybe if Seattle would quit running Alexander on 1st and 2nd down everytime
I going by what I saw the only time I watched a Seattle game, and that was last week.
Ya think?I could be wrong
I would love to see NFL data on how often teams run on first down and compare it to Seattle, or the entire league for that matter. Anyone know where to find such information?but it seemed to me they ran it on 1st down a lot, then the boo birds would come out on SA. They seem to be running exactly when it's an obvious running play.
I would like to know as well. Hell, I was basing what I said on one game I sawAwesome. Extreme hyperbole on each end of the spectrum. Which of you two are going to try to back up these statements with some data? Somehow, I'm guessing the answer is pretty close to the center making you both wrong. I don't know and would be curious to see the numbers.It's Holmgren. They pass on 1st down all the time.Maybe if Seattle would quit running Alexander on 1st and 2nd down everytimeand it could turn out that I was also wrong about that
The perception I got when watching the game was that SA ran the ball on 1st down a lot, and they ran the ball when everyone in the stadium knew they would run the ball. Again, it's my perception, and my perception has been wrong before
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Sorry I haven't watched that many Seattle games, but the one I did watch reminded me a lot of what the Bears do with Benson. Hell, I'd be willing to bet they run the ball on 1st down 80% of the time and everyone else knows it as well.I going by what I saw the only time I watched a Seattle game, and that was last week.
Ya think?I could be wrongI would love to see NFL data on how often teams run on first down and compare it to Seattle, or the entire league for that matter. Anyone know where to find such information?but it seemed to me they ran it on 1st down a lot, then the boo birds would come out on SA. They seem to be running exactly when it's an obvious running play.
Probowler: 6"Enforcer: 4"Awesome. Extreme hyperbole on each end of the spectrum. Which of you two are going to try to back up these statements with some data? Somehow, I'm guessing the answer is pretty close to the center making you both wrong. I don't know and would be curious to see the numbers.It's Holmgren. They pass on 1st down all the time.Maybe if Seattle would quit running Alexander on 1st and 2nd down everytime
Last week (sorry, I'm not going over drive charts for all 7 games), on first down:Run: 20 timesPass: 10 times2 to 1 in favor of the run.Sorry I haven't watched that many Seattle games, but the one I did watch reminded me a lot of what the Bears do with Benson. Hell, I'd be willing to bet they run the ball on 1st down 80% of the time and everyone else knows it as well.I going by what I saw the only time I watched a Seattle game, and that was last week.
Ya think?I could be wrongI would love to see NFL data on how often teams run on first down and compare it to Seattle, or the entire league for that matter. Anyone know where to find such information?but it seemed to me they ran it on 1st down a lot, then the boo birds would come out on SA. They seem to be running exactly when it's an obvious running play.
I don't have a problem with this sort of play calling. Teams try to exert physical dominance over other teams. That's the name of the game for many teams. They build their offenses around this concept. Works for some, not so much for others. When it works teams are genius. When it doesn't they're morons. I tend to think there's a middle ground with most of this analysis.I haven't watched that many Seattle games, but the one I did watch reminded me a lot of what the Bears do with Benson. Hell, I'd be willing to bet they run the ball on 1st down 80% of the time and everyone else knows it as well.
Thanks for the info :thumbsup:Last week (sorry, I'm not going over drive charts for all 7 games), on first down:Run: 20 timesPass: 10 times2 to 1 in favor of the run.Sorry I haven't watched that many Seattle games, but the one I did watch reminded me a lot of what the Bears do with Benson. Hell, I'd be willing to bet they run the ball on 1st down 80% of the time and everyone else knows it as well.I going by what I saw the only time I watched a Seattle game, and that was last week.
Ya think?I could be wrongI would love to see NFL data on how often teams run on first down and compare it to Seattle, or the entire league for that matter. Anyone know where to find such information?but it seemed to me they ran it on 1st down a lot, then the boo birds would come out on SA. They seem to be running exactly when it's an obvious running play.
You'll have to be more clear. I don't understand what you're trying to say. Does this involve hurt feelings from another thread? If so I most humbly apologize.Probowler: 6"Enforcer: 4"Awesome. Extreme hyperbole on each end of the spectrum. Which of you two are going to try to back up these statements with some data? Somehow, I'm guessing the answer is pretty close to the center making you both wrong. I don't know and would be curious to see the numbers.It's Holmgren. They pass on 1st down all the time.Maybe if Seattle would quit running Alexander on 1st and 2nd down everytime
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That philosophy was fine when they had a dominate OL. Now that they don't, just maybe the play calling is more important.I don't have a problem with this sort of play calling. Teams try to exert physical dominance over other teams. That's the name of the game for many teams. They build their offenses around this concept. Works for some, not so much for others. When it works teams are genius. When it doesn't they're morons. I tend to think there's a middle ground with most of this analysis.I haven't watched that many Seattle games, but the one I did watch reminded me a lot of what the Bears do with Benson. Hell, I'd be willing to bet they run the ball on 1st down 80% of the time and everyone else knows it as well.
Whining about play calling is a cop out argument IMO. Holmgren has been a very successful coach for a long time in this league. I don't think there are many people on the planet that are qualified enough to criticize his decision making when it comes to play calling. Something works he's genius. It doesn't he's a moron. When people automatically jump to both ends of the spectrum in their commentary its a giant red beacon saying they're not thinking, but letting their emotions get the best of them. That's easily understood. The NFL is an emotional game.SIDE RANT: We ask players to perform all jacked up with their emotions on full tilt 100% of the time. To expect them to "turn off" these emotions in a few seconds is just not realistic. After they make a great play they should be able to release that emotion. I totally understand why a guy that makes one tackle on special teams gets excited. I guess the same should be said for a fan watching the game on TV or posting on a message board.That philosophy was fine when they had a dominate OL. Now that they don't, just maybe the play calling is more important.I don't have a problem with this sort of play calling. Teams try to exert physical dominance over other teams. That's the name of the game for many teams. They build their offenses around this concept. Works for some, not so much for others. When it works teams are genius. When it doesn't they're morons. I tend to think there's a middle ground with most of this analysis.I haven't watched that many Seattle games, but the one I did watch reminded me a lot of what the Bears do with Benson. Hell, I'd be willing to bet they run the ball on 1st down 80% of the time and everyone else knows it as well.
Well, if you run and they know you are running, and your OL sucks, that to me is a recipe for disaster. I think Holmgren still thinks he has the same OL from a couple years ago, or he's just stubborn. Not many RBs look good behind a bad OL. I believe that you have to keep the defense off balance in order to have an effective running game if your OL has problems.Loke posted a 2 to 1 run ratio in their last game. I wonder what it is for the season.. I don't think there are many people on the planet that are qualified enough to criticize his decision making when it comes to play calling.
I tried looking up early week games but the links aren't working. I am thinking the 2-1 run ratio last game is an effort to get the run game going, which he's been trying to jump start. In the big SA days he's been about 55-45 run to pass, but it always seemed to me he passed more on first than ran. Reason being that SA used to be able to pick up good yardage on 2nd and 3rd so you weren't putting yourself in a rut. When they come back form the bye and SA still is running like my grandma then I would expect a lot more passing on 1st and 2nd, especially with Branch and Hackett back.Well, if you run and they know you are running, and your OL sucks, that to me is a recipe for disaster. I think Holmgren still thinks he has the same OL from a couple years ago, or he's just stubborn. Not many RBs look good behind a bad OL.. I don't think there are many people on the planet that are qualified enough to criticize his decision making when it comes to play calling.
I doubt last game was "normal" per se. They were playing much of the game with the lead so were probably much more run oriented than normal.I tried looking up early week games but the links aren't working. I am thinking the 2-1 run ratio last game is an effort to get the run game going, which he's been trying to jump start. In the big SA days he's been about 55-45 run to pass, but it always seemed to me he passed more on first than ran. Reason being that SA used to be able to pick up good yardage on 2nd and 3rd so you weren't putting yourself in a rut. When they come back form the bye and SA still is running like my grandma then I would expect a lot more passing on 1st and 2nd, especially with Branch and Hackett back.Well, if you run and they know you are running, and your OL sucks, that to me is a recipe for disaster. I think Holmgren still thinks he has the same OL from a couple years ago, or he's just stubborn. Not many RBs look good behind a bad OL.. I don't think there are many people on the planet that are qualified enough to criticize his decision making when it comes to play calling.
Valid point andLoke said:I doubt last game was "normal" per se. They were playing much of the game with the lead so were probably much more run oriented than normal.mad sweeney said:I tried looking up early week games but the links aren't working. I am thinking the 2-1 run ratio last game is an effort to get the run game going, which he's been trying to jump start. In the big SA days he's been about 55-45 run to pass, but it always seemed to me he passed more on first than ran. Reason being that SA used to be able to pick up good yardage on 2nd and 3rd so you weren't putting yourself in a rut. When they come back form the bye and SA still is running like my grandma then I would expect a lot more passing on 1st and 2nd, especially with Branch and Hackett back.JohnnyU said:Well, if you run and they know you are running, and your OL sucks, that to me is a recipe for disaster. I think Holmgren still thinks he has the same OL from a couple years ago, or he's just stubborn. Not many RBs look good behind a bad OL.Enforcer said:. I don't think there are many people on the planet that are qualified enough to criticize his decision making when it comes to play calling.
Just wanted to bump this thread to point out that sometimes selling low is actually a good move.Selling low is not the way to happiness.