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Shaun McDonald, Mike Furrey (1 Viewer)

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http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article.../805210400/1049

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It's 2008. Martz has been fired and is in San Francisco. Furrey and McDonald have stayed in Detroit, and new offensive coordinator Jim Colletto has a different approach.

What roles will Furrey and McDonald play?

"I don't think we'll be as much of a focal point as we were in that offense," McDonald said Tuesday after the first day of the Lions' mandatory minicamp. "But I can definitely see where I'm going to fit in there and see some of the routes that they've got. It's going to be a good year, I think."

Colletto has simplified the playbook and plans to run more than Martz did. He also plans to throw to his big outside threats -- 6-3, 212-pound Roy Williams, the seventh overall pick in 2004, and 6-5, 239-pound Calvin Johnson, the second overall pick in '07.

Furrey and McDonald will have smaller roles but still significant ones, according to Colletto. Three- and four-wide receiver sets remain in the playbook.

"All that part of the game is still there," Colletto said earlier this off-season. "It's just the numbers of plays are going to be diminished greatly. Those two guys are still going to figure in what we're doing. We want to be able to change constantly."

Colletto said on first-and-10 the Lions won't always trot out two running backs, two wide receivers and a tight end. They will mix up their personnel groups, even if they stick with the same stuff.

"It's going to change," Colletto said. "But the plays won't change."

Under Martz, opponents didn't respect the Lions' running game and would keep their safeties deep. They would bracket Williams and Johnson. That forced the ball underneath to Furrey and McDonald.

Under Colletto, the Lions hope opponents will respect the running game and drop a safety into the box, opening the field for Williams and Johnson.

McDonald doesn't think that will always happen, though. Teams might still want to take away Williams and Johnson, leaving catches for McDonald and Furrey.

"We've just got to see," McDonald said. "I think some teams will still try to play us like they did last year. It's going to change, I think, weekly."

Colletto also plans shorter drops for his quarterbacks. The ball could come out quickly to the slot receiver.

"I still think the slot's going to be a factor in the game," said McDonald, who is sitting out after minor knee surgery, but should be 100% for training camp. "Every team, if you've got a good slot that's working, that's hard on the defense."

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I agree with McDonald's statement that a slot WR can still be productive even if in on less plays, especially one the QB seems to have alot of confidence in.

Two Qs-

IF you take it as a battle of Furrey vs McDonald for the slot, who wins.

Also, figuring Martz is installing the exact same offense in SF, who reaps the rewards as their 3rd and 4th?

Starters are Isaac and Bryant, right? So Arnaz Battle and Hill?

 
Two Qs-IF you take it as a battle of Furrey vs McDonald for the slot, who wins.Also, figuring Martz is installing the exact same offense in SF, who reaps the rewards as their 3rd and 4th?Starters are Isaac and Bryant, right? So Arnaz Battle and Hill?
Furrey vs McDonald: My $$$ is on McDonald. He's a few years younger and he certainly outplayed him last season. I think the Lions will ending up passing more than they want to despite their plans to run more... so there should be some late rnd value here.SF WR3: Throw Lelie in the mix with Battle and Hill as well. Arnaz is the front runner w/ the highest ceiling but he has a bit of an ankle issue that leaves me a little weary... same w/ Hill and the hammy/groin. Could be that all 3 of them shine at different junctures of the season... but none bright or long enough to be worth drafting. Preseason will tell a lot.
 
Hill basically did nothing last year while Battle had 50rec/600yds/5tds. Battle ended up having the best numbers for the Niners receiving corps last year. I know TE's haven't seemed to figure in Martz' scheme that much but I gotta believe he's not gonna waste Vernon Davis' talent and I feel he's gonna finally start putting up numbers. Bryant Johnson will clearly end up the Niners top receiver this year. Gore will certainly get a lot of touches. Since Gore,BJ and Davis(IMO) will get most of the work it's a little hard projecting what Battle may do. Bruce is 35. He had 55rec/733yds/4tds last year starting 12 games. Bruce will help players grasp Martz' system and I think his numbers will suffer somewhat because of that. Plus he may miss time giving Battle more opportunities. It's quite possible Bruce and Battle put up similar numbers this year. All this of course is gonna depend on the QB play which has been less than spectacular to say least.So wth trying to sort out this mess of who's gonna produce for the 49ers this year, and to answer your question ,I'd say Battle will have a better year than Hill. The Lions certainly have a better receiving corps than my Niners and their QB play was way better than Smith or Shaun Hill.In the end, if Alex Smith or Shaun Hill struggle Battle and/or Jason Hill will have a hard time putting up McDonald or Furrey type numbers.

 
Hill basically did nothing last year while Battle had 50rec/600yds/5tds. Battle ended up having the best numbers for the Niners receiving corps last year. I know TE's haven't seemed to figure in Martz' scheme that much but I gotta believe he's not gonna waste Vernon Davis' talent and I feel he's gonna finally start putting up numbers. Bryant Johnson will clearly end up the Niners top receiver this year. Gore will certainly get a lot of touches. Since Gore,BJ and Davis(IMO) will get most of the work it's a little hard projecting what Battle may do. Bruce is 35. He had 55rec/733yds/4tds last year starting 12 games. Bruce will help players grasp Martz' system and I think his numbers will suffer somewhat because of that. Plus he may miss time giving Battle more opportunities. It's quite possible Bruce and Battle put up similar numbers this year. All this of course is gonna depend on the QB play which has been less than spectacular to say least.So wth trying to sort out this mess of who's gonna produce for the 49ers this year, and to answer your question ,I'd say Battle will have a better year than Hill. The Lions certainly have a better receiving corps than my Niners and their QB play was way better than Smith or Shaun Hill.In the end, if Alex Smith or Shaun Hill struggle Battle and/or Jason Hill will have a hard time putting up McDonald or Furrey type numbers.
part of the reason battle saw so much time on the field was because he's a solid blocker.
 
Also, figuring Martz is installing the exact same offense in SF, who reaps the rewards as their 3rd and 4th?Starters are Isaac and Bryant, right? So Arnaz Battle and Hill?
Bruce and Johnson are penned in as the starters at the moment. Bruce reportedly looked very good during mini camp and could be a nice value in redraft leagues. Johnson is only on a one year deal, so I think people looking at him as a great dynasty value are probably jumping the gun a bit. He's a one year experiment that may or may not work out. Battle should be the WR3 this season. I think Hill will be the WR4, though Lelie is also in the mix.Hill is my favorite dynasty buy of this bunch since he has a high ceiling at a very low cost. If he impresses the team this season, he could be starting by 2009 or 2010 since Bruce is ancient and Johnson is on a one year contract.
 
McDonald can get open at will. Was lot more impressed with his ability to get open last year than either of the more heralded guys. He's a perfect guy for the slot. I'd look for 50-60 catches from him (with upside for more when Roy/Calvin go down)

 
Decent couple receivers, but their attempts are going to go down. Unless there is injury to Johnson or Williams, McDonald's week to week numbers will be very inconsistent making it virtually impossible to start him.

Furrey is even more of a longshot to make a fantasy impact. Things would really have to go awful in Detroit for him to have any fantasy impact.

What's worse, the Lions are going to be losing and at the end of the season, they'll be bringing in Stanton and that's when the stuff will really hit the fan.

 

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