Shaun McDonald (1 Viewer)

[Ack88]

You have to take into account what Mike Martz REALLY is; a pass happy coordinator who eschews the run (remember the SB against the Pats where Faulk was vastly under utililized). They may try and get Jones a few more carries but ultimately, I don't see the balance shifting much at all. The Lions also have a very spotty defense and probably will frequently playing from behind or tied.

I just don't see a big swing in offensive philosophy, and thus, McDonald remains a decent #2 and an exceptional #3 WR option.

 

[3C's]

Hard to get a read on this. All you hear now is Kevin Jones getting more carries and more emphasis being put in the running game. Coming out of the bye, will there be a change to Martz's style?

A leopard don't change his stripes.

 

[Capella]

Dodds' initial projections certainly don't have him thought of very highly.

Dodds hasn't had him above WR50 at any point, from what I've seen. Guess he missed the boat here and won't admit defeat.I've stopped paying attention though. Guy is in my lineup.

 

[Sabertooth]

I don't know, we may have already seen the best from Shaun McDonald. He's been sliding down the rankings for several weeks now and is only decent WR3 at this point. I will try to platoon him with Stallworth, Reggie Brown, and Lee Evans to come up with viable Wr2-Wr3 combinations. I might as well check into this thread when I am starting him so that you will all know not to play him as I have terrible luck when platooning players.

Sitting him this week though, so you should be ok if you start him.

 

[duaneok66]

Dodds' initial projections certainly don't have him thought of very highly.

Dodds hasn't had him above WR50 at any point, from what I've seen. Guess he missed the boat here and won't admit defeat.I've stopped paying attention though. Guy is in my lineup.

IF they run more, and that's a big if at this point, then Dodds's ranking would have some validity . . . you are playing russian roulette with a guy that doesnt start and is fighting for snaps with a potential perennial pro bowler . . .good luck . . .

 

[Andy Herron]

He has outproduced Calvin Johnson, for one thing. Statistically, that puts him at #2 behind Roy Williams. I know he has served me well in spot duty. It's just hard for him to crack my WR lineup of Housh., Welker, Galloway, Curtis, and TE Witten. He also has practically made last year's phenom Furrey disappear. Don't forget, he came from Martz's Rams. He knows his way around this offense, which is more complicated than most realize.

 

[rct]

Hard to get a read on this. All you hear now is Kevin Jones getting more carries and more emphasis being put in the running game. Coming out of the bye, will there be a change to Martz's style?

A leopard don't change his stripes.

Thanks Emitt.

 

[duaneok66]

He has outproduced Calvin Johnson, for one thing. Statistically, that puts him at #2 behind Roy Williams. I know he has served me well in spot duty. It's just hard for him to crack my WR lineup of Housh., Welker, Galloway, Curtis, and TE Witten. He also has practically made last year's phenom Furrey disappear. Don't forget, he came from Martz's Rams. He knows his way around this offense, which is more complicated than most realize.

good post, but nothing in it changes the fact that Shaun has nowhere to go but DOWN . . .1) he is rarely, if ever, used on sets with less than 3WR . . .2) CJ is a top pick, signed for a gazillion dollars, and has the ability . . . therefore he should be getting more snaps sooner, not later . . .3) When CJ is on the field more, he will be a great redzone option with Roy . . . 4) The Redskins dared the Lions to run the ball, , and Marinelli "claims" to be running it more in the near future . . .I like Martz, and McDonald is one of his guys . . . McDonald is a definite asset for the Lions, but I think he's a marginal fantasy player for the rest of the year . . .

 

[packersfan]

He has outproduced Calvin Johnson, for one thing. Statistically, that puts him at #2 behind Roy Williams. I know he has served me well in spot duty. It's just hard for him to crack my WR lineup of Housh., Welker, Galloway, Curtis, and TE Witten. He also has practically made last year's phenom Furrey disappear. Don't forget, he came from Martz's Rams. He knows his way around this offense, which is more complicated than most realize.

good post, but nothing in it changes the fact that Shaun has nowhere to go but DOWN . . .

Or he could level off and remain where he's at. I agree it's unlikely, barring injury, his value gets any higher. If Johnson gets more involved as he should and Jones gets more involved in the passing game there will be more mouths to feed and Roy Williams isn't going to lose his targets. So they'll come from McDonald and Furrey. The best news for McDonald is the percentage of 3- and 4-WR sets Martz uses (which you have documented). That means McDonald will see the field a healthy amount - likely more than many other No. 3 WRs around the league. And if he's on the field, we know Kitna trusts him so he should see a decent number of targets every week. Add to all of that Detroit's defense, which stinks, and the odds are high Martz will be passing a lot. So it's not like the Lions are going to turn into a run-first offense anytime soon.Again, I think this week will tell us a lot about where McDonald will fit in going forward. The Lions have had two weeks to get Johnson more up to speed with the offense and for Jones to get healthier. If McDonald can still get 5+ targets that bodes well for his future involvement. If it drops to 2-3 then I think the handwriting will be on the wall.

 

[ericttspikes]

He has outproduced Calvin Johnson, for one thing. Statistically, that puts him at #2 behind Roy Williams. I know he has served me well in spot duty. It's just hard for him to crack my WR lineup of Housh., Welker, Galloway, Curtis, and TE Witten. He also has practically made last year's phenom Furrey disappear. Don't forget, he came from Martz's Rams. He knows his way around this offense, which is more complicated than most realize.

good post, but nothing in it changes the fact that Shaun has nowhere to go but DOWN . . .

Or he could level off and remain where he's at. I agree it's unlikely, barring injury, his value gets any higher. If Johnson gets more involved as he should and Jones gets more involved in the passing game there will be more mouths to feed and Roy Williams isn't going to lose his targets. So they'll come from McDonald and Furrey. The best news for McDonald is the percentage of 3- and 4-WR sets Martz uses (which you have documented). That means McDonald will see the field a healthy amount - likely more than many other No. 3 WRs around the league. And if he's on the field, we know Kitna trusts him so he should see a decent number of targets every week. Add to all of that Detroit's defense, which stinks, and the odds are high Martz will be passing a lot. So it's not like the Lions are going to turn into a run-first offense anytime soon.Again, I think this week will tell us a lot about where McDonald will fit in going forward. The Lions have had two weeks to get Johnson more up to speed with the offense and for Jones to get healthier. If McDonald can still get 5+ targets that bodes well for his future involvement. If it drops to 2-3 then I think the handwriting will be on the wall.

I'm also looking forward to seeing what his stats are like with Calvin back in there. TB might not be the best barometer, Shaun had much better stats working with Roy and Calvin on the field as nobody paid much attention to him. I think his stats go back up to the 5-7 grabs a game.

 

[Andy Herron]

He has outproduced Calvin Johnson, for one thing. Statistically, that puts him at #2 behind Roy Williams. I know he has served me well in spot duty. It's just hard for him to crack my WR lineup of Housh., Welker, Galloway, Curtis, and TE Witten. He also has practically made last year's phenom Furrey disappear. Don't forget, he came from Martz's Rams. He knows his way around this offense, which is more complicated than most realize.

good post, but nothing in it changes the fact that Shaun has nowhere to go but DOWN . . .

Or he could level off and remain where he's at. I agree it's unlikely, barring injury, his value gets any higher. If Johnson gets more involved as he should and Jones gets more involved in the passing game there will be more mouths to feed and Roy Williams isn't going to lose his targets. So they'll come from McDonald and Furrey. The best news for McDonald is the percentage of 3- and 4-WR sets Martz uses (which you have documented). That means McDonald will see the field a healthy amount - likely more than many other No. 3 WRs around the league. And if he's on the field, we know Kitna trusts him so he should see a decent number of targets every week. Add to all of that Detroit's defense, which stinks, and the odds are high Martz will be passing a lot. So it's not like the Lions are going to turn into a run-first offense anytime soon.Again, I think this week will tell us a lot about where McDonald will fit in going forward. The Lions have had two weeks to get Johnson more up to speed with the offense and for Jones to get healthier. If McDonald can still get 5+ targets that bodes well for his future involvement. If it drops to 2-3 then I think the handwriting will be on the wall.

I'm also looking forward to seeing what his stats are like with Calvin back in there. TB might not be the best barometer, Shaun had much better stats working with Roy and Calvin on the field as nobody paid much attention to him. I think his stats go back up to the 5-7 grabs a game.

He may not go up, but he certainly won't go down. Martz is all about multiple WR sets, as mentioned. He'll see plenty of targets. He's basically the Az-Hakim of the old Rams. He'll get his, with a flourish here and there.

 

[duaneok66]

He has outproduced Calvin Johnson, for one thing. Statistically, that puts him at #2 behind Roy Williams. I know he has served me well in spot duty. It's just hard for him to crack my WR lineup of Housh., Welker, Galloway, Curtis, and TE Witten. He also has practically made last year's phenom Furrey disappear. Don't forget, he came from Martz's Rams. He knows his way around this offense, which is more complicated than most realize.

good post, but nothing in it changes the fact that Shaun has nowhere to go but DOWN . . .

Or he could level off and remain where he's at. I agree it's unlikely, barring injury, his value gets any higher. If Johnson gets more involved as he should and Jones gets more involved in the passing game there will be more mouths to feed and Roy Williams isn't going to lose his targets. So they'll come from McDonald and Furrey. The best news for McDonald is the percentage of 3- and 4-WR sets Martz uses (which you have documented). That means McDonald will see the field a healthy amount - likely more than many other No. 3 WRs around the league. And if he's on the field, we know Kitna trusts him so he should see a decent number of targets every week. Add to all of that Detroit's defense, which stinks, and the odds are high Martz will be passing a lot. So it's not like the Lions are going to turn into a run-first offense anytime soon.Again, I think this week will tell us a lot about where McDonald will fit in going forward. The Lions have had two weeks to get Johnson more up to speed with the offense and for Jones to get healthier. If McDonald can still get 5+ targets that bodes well for his future involvement. If it drops to 2-3 then I think the handwriting will be on the wall.

I'm also looking forward to seeing what his stats are like with Calvin back in there. TB might not be the best barometer, Shaun had much better stats working with Roy and Calvin on the field as nobody paid much attention to him. I think his stats go back up to the 5-7 grabs a game.

He may not go up, but he certainly won't go down. Martz is all about multiple WR sets, as mentioned. He'll see plenty of targets. He's basically the Az-Hakim of the old Rams. He'll get his, with a flourish here and there.

you are assuming that he sees the field on 3WR sets when CJ actually stays on the field all the time . . . you might be right, but I haven't seen any evidence to that effect when Furrey has had more snaps . . .

 

[Andy Herron]

He has outproduced Calvin Johnson, for one thing. Statistically, that puts him at #2 behind Roy Williams. I know he has served me well in spot duty. It's just hard for him to crack my WR lineup of Housh., Welker, Galloway, Curtis, and TE Witten. He also has practically made last year's phenom Furrey disappear. Don't forget, he came from Martz's Rams. He knows his way around this offense, which is more complicated than most realize.

good post, but nothing in it changes the fact that Shaun has nowhere to go but DOWN . . .

Or he could level off and remain where he's at. I agree it's unlikely, barring injury, his value gets any higher. If Johnson gets more involved as he should and Jones gets more involved in the passing game there will be more mouths to feed and Roy Williams isn't going to lose his targets. So they'll come from McDonald and Furrey. The best news for McDonald is the percentage of 3- and 4-WR sets Martz uses (which you have documented). That means McDonald will see the field a healthy amount - likely more than many other No. 3 WRs around the league. And if he's on the field, we know Kitna trusts him so he should see a decent number of targets every week. Add to all of that Detroit's defense, which stinks, and the odds are high Martz will be passing a lot. So it's not like the Lions are going to turn into a run-first offense anytime soon.Again, I think this week will tell us a lot about where McDonald will fit in going forward. The Lions have had two weeks to get Johnson more up to speed with the offense and for Jones to get healthier. If McDonald can still get 5+ targets that bodes well for his future involvement. If it drops to 2-3 then I think the handwriting will be on the wall.

I'm also looking forward to seeing what his stats are like with Calvin back in there. TB might not be the best barometer, Shaun had much better stats working with Roy and Calvin on the field as nobody paid much attention to him. I think his stats go back up to the 5-7 grabs a game.

He may not go up, but he certainly won't go down. Martz is all about multiple WR sets, as mentioned. He'll see plenty of targets. He's basically the Az-Hakim of the old Rams. He'll get his, with a flourish here and there.

you are assuming that he sees the field on 3WR sets when CJ actually stays on the field all the time . . . you might be right, but I haven't seen any evidence to that effect when Furrey has had more snaps . . .

Furrey has yet to score a TD to McDonald's 3. That says alot and more than makes up the difference.

 

[duaneok66]

He has outproduced Calvin Johnson, for one thing. Statistically, that puts him at #2 behind Roy Williams. I know he has served me well in spot duty. It's just hard for him to crack my WR lineup of Housh., Welker, Galloway, Curtis, and TE Witten. He also has practically made last year's phenom Furrey disappear. Don't forget, he came from Martz's Rams. He knows his way around this offense, which is more complicated than most realize.

good post, but nothing in it changes the fact that Shaun has nowhere to go but DOWN . . .

Or he could level off and remain where he's at. I agree it's unlikely, barring injury, his value gets any higher. If Johnson gets more involved as he should and Jones gets more involved in the passing game there will be more mouths to feed and Roy Williams isn't going to lose his targets. So they'll come from McDonald and Furrey. The best news for McDonald is the percentage of 3- and 4-WR sets Martz uses (which you have documented). That means McDonald will see the field a healthy amount - likely more than many other No. 3 WRs around the league. And if he's on the field, we know Kitna trusts him so he should see a decent number of targets every week. Add to all of that Detroit's defense, which stinks, and the odds are high Martz will be passing a lot. So it's not like the Lions are going to turn into a run-first offense anytime soon.Again, I think this week will tell us a lot about where McDonald will fit in going forward. The Lions have had two weeks to get Johnson more up to speed with the offense and for Jones to get healthier. If McDonald can still get 5+ targets that bodes well for his future involvement. If it drops to 2-3 then I think the handwriting will be on the wall.

I'm also looking forward to seeing what his stats are like with Calvin back in there. TB might not be the best barometer, Shaun had much better stats working with Roy and Calvin on the field as nobody paid much attention to him. I think his stats go back up to the 5-7 grabs a game.

He may not go up, but he certainly won't go down. Martz is all about multiple WR sets, as mentioned. He'll see plenty of targets. He's basically the Az-Hakim of the old Rams. He'll get his, with a flourish here and there.

you are assuming that he sees the field on 3WR sets when CJ actually stays on the field all the time . . . you might be right, but I haven't seen any evidence to that effect when Furrey has had more snaps . . .

Furrey has yet to score a TD to McDonald's 3. That says alot and more than makes up the difference.

it still doesnt change the fact that Furrey plays ahead of him . . . if McDonald only sees the field on 4WR sets when Johnson stays on the field all the time, then McDonald is a fantasy non factor . . .

 

[Andy Herron]

He has outproduced Calvin Johnson, for one thing. Statistically, that puts him at #2 behind Roy Williams. I know he has served me well in spot duty. It's just hard for him to crack my WR lineup of Housh., Welker, Galloway, Curtis, and TE Witten. He also has practically made last year's phenom Furrey disappear. Don't forget, he came from Martz's Rams. He knows his way around this offense, which is more complicated than most realize.

good post, but nothing in it changes the fact that Shaun has nowhere to go but DOWN . . .

Or he could level off and remain where he's at. I agree it's unlikely, barring injury, his value gets any higher. If Johnson gets more involved as he should and Jones gets more involved in the passing game there will be more mouths to feed and Roy Williams isn't going to lose his targets. So they'll come from McDonald and Furrey. The best news for McDonald is the percentage of 3- and 4-WR sets Martz uses (which you have documented). That means McDonald will see the field a healthy amount - likely more than many other No. 3 WRs around the league. And if he's on the field, we know Kitna trusts him so he should see a decent number of targets every week. Add to all of that Detroit's defense, which stinks, and the odds are high Martz will be passing a lot. So it's not like the Lions are going to turn into a run-first offense anytime soon.Again, I think this week will tell us a lot about where McDonald will fit in going forward. The Lions have had two weeks to get Johnson more up to speed with the offense and for Jones to get healthier. If McDonald can still get 5+ targets that bodes well for his future involvement. If it drops to 2-3 then I think the handwriting will be on the wall.

I'm also looking forward to seeing what his stats are like with Calvin back in there. TB might not be the best barometer, Shaun had much better stats working with Roy and Calvin on the field as nobody paid much attention to him. I think his stats go back up to the 5-7 grabs a game.

He may not go up, but he certainly won't go down. Martz is all about multiple WR sets, as mentioned. He'll see plenty of targets. He's basically the Az-Hakim of the old Rams. He'll get his, with a flourish here and there.

you are assuming that he sees the field on 3WR sets when CJ actually stays on the field all the time . . . you might be right, but I haven't seen any evidence to that effect when Furrey has had more snaps . . .

Furrey has yet to score a TD to McDonald's 3. That says alot and more than makes up the difference.

it still doesnt change the fact that Furrey plays ahead of him . . . if McDonald only sees the field on 4WR sets when Johnson stays on the field all the time, then McDonald is a fantasy non factor . . .

I'm not going to argue with you. Go ahead and grab Furrey. I'll keep McDonald. No problem.

 

[duaneok66]

they are both already owned in my league so it's not a deal of who grabs who . . . I am sure they are both already owned in your league as well . . . and it's not an argument - I see your point, but we disagree . . . no big deal . . .

 

[packersfan]

Again I think the key factors here are:

1. The number of pass attempts Detroit has each game.

2. The number of targets McDonald gets.

The second key will be determined by the number of 4-WR sets the team runs (assuming Johnson moves up to No. 2 and Furrey stays ahead of McDonald and becomes the No. 3). Thanks to duane's previous tracking we saw that the Lions do run a pretty high percentage of 4-WR sets each game. If that continues, McDonald will get on the field enough to have a chance to produce. And again, if he's on the field, the attention will be on Williams and Johnson, meaning McDonald will be getting single coverage. And we know Kitna trusts him and will throw to him.

The other possible factor is whether McDonald has done enough to remain the No. 3 WR with Furrey moving to No. 4. Or could the two rotate as the No. 3 going forward? If one of those scenarios arises, then McDonald's chances to produce will remain steady.

I still think this is a game where we'll learn about McDonald's value going forward. We'll see where he ranks on the Lions' pecking order - assuming Johnson moves up - and we'll see how many snaps he's getting and if his targets remain consistent with what we saw in the first five games.

 

[Andy Herron]

they are both already owned in my league so it's not a deal of who grabs who . . . I am sure they are both already owned in your league as well . . . and it's not an argument - I see your point, but we disagree . . . no big deal . . .

That's cool.Like I said in the beginning, he has served me well in spot duty.

I can start 3-4 WRs, no TE required in my league. They count as WRs. It's just my viewpoint from having:

Housh, Galloway, Curtis, Welker, Witten, McDonald, as well as Chris Henry waiting in the wings.

Looking at that, you probably gain a better understanding of where I'm coming from.

In my league(PPR), those 5 WRs all rank in the top 24 currently(10 teams). McDonald is 24th. Furrey is 51st and a free agent.

Do I have a helluva WR corp or what? Not even counting Witten(and I have Romo as well).

 

[Keith Lewis]

I just traded away McDonald so as a newly unbiased spectator I think he makes a good low #2 or a high #3 fantasy WR. In a PPR I'd probaly go w/ Furrey but in a standard league it would be McDonald.

 

[packersfan]

Good call by Duane. With Johnson getting more involved and Jones a huge factor in the passing game again, McDonald was pretty much invisible today. I thought this game would be a good test to see how McDonald might fare going forward and he was fourth among the Detroit WRs today. It was a good run for those of us who had him but I think it's over now. Just too many mouths to feed and McDonald doesn't rank high enough on the pecking order to make a consistent dent.

 

[Sabertooth]

Good call by Duane. With Johnson getting more involved and Jones a huge factor in the passing game again, McDonald was pretty much invisible today. I thought this game would be a good test to see how McDonald might fare going forward and he was fourth among the Detroit WRs today. It was a good run for those of us who had him but I think it's over now. Just too many mouths to feed and McDonald doesn't rank high enough on the pecking order to make a consistent dent.

This is kind of what I thought might happen. He's pretty much peaked already.

 

[cmv5]

I didn't get to see. Does anyone know if Calvin Johnson was in more plays this week than he was on average in the other weeks?

 

[packersfan]

Good call by Duane. With Johnson getting more involved and Jones a huge factor in the passing game again, McDonald was pretty much invisible today. I thought this game would be a good test to see how McDonald might fare going forward and he was fourth among the Detroit WRs today. It was a good run for those of us who had him but I think it's over now. Just too many mouths to feed and McDonald doesn't rank high enough on the pecking order to make a consistent dent.

This is kind of what I thought might happen. He's pretty much peaked already.

I'll stick with my Kevin Curtis analogy when Curtis was with the Rams a few seasons ago. He was a Top 20 WR for several weeks that season when Bruce was out but once Bruce returned he was pretty much worthless. I think McDonald may follow the same path.

 

[ericttspikes]

Again I think the key factors here are:1. The number of pass attempts Detroit has each game.2. The number of targets McDonald gets.The second key will be determined by the number of 4-WR sets the team runs (assuming Johnson moves up to No. 2 and Furrey stays ahead of McDonald and becomes the No. 3). Thanks to duane's previous tracking we saw that the Lions do run a pretty high percentage of 4-WR sets each game. If that continues, McDonald will get on the field enough to have a chance to produce. And again, if he's on the field, the attention will be on Williams and Johnson, meaning McDonald will be getting single coverage. And we know Kitna trusts him and will throw to him.The other possible factor is whether McDonald has done enough to remain the No. 3 WR with Furrey moving to No. 4. Or could the two rotate as the No. 3 going forward? If one of those scenarios arises, then McDonald's chances to produce will remain steady.I still think this is a game where we'll learn about McDonald's value going forward. We'll see where he ranks on the Lions' pecking order - assuming Johnson moves up - and we'll see how many snaps he's getting and if his targets remain consistent with what we saw in the first five games.

Kevin Jones might take balls away from everyone. Not sure DET has too many 16/20 games like Sunday, but Jones almost got half of Kitna's completions.Compared to the other WRs, McDonald was involved. Wasn't expecting much vs. TB and don't think this game can gauge value going forward.

 

[packersfan]

Again I think the key factors here are:1. The number of pass attempts Detroit has each game.2. The number of targets McDonald gets.The second key will be determined by the number of 4-WR sets the team runs (assuming Johnson moves up to No. 2 and Furrey stays ahead of McDonald and becomes the No. 3). Thanks to duane's previous tracking we saw that the Lions do run a pretty high percentage of 4-WR sets each game. If that continues, McDonald will get on the field enough to have a chance to produce. And again, if he's on the field, the attention will be on Williams and Johnson, meaning McDonald will be getting single coverage. And we know Kitna trusts him and will throw to him.The other possible factor is whether McDonald has done enough to remain the No. 3 WR with Furrey moving to No. 4. Or could the two rotate as the No. 3 going forward? If one of those scenarios arises, then McDonald's chances to produce will remain steady.I still think this is a game where we'll learn about McDonald's value going forward. We'll see where he ranks on the Lions' pecking order - assuming Johnson moves up - and we'll see how many snaps he's getting and if his targets remain consistent with what we saw in the first five games.

Kevin Jones might take balls away from everyone. Not sure DET has too many 16/20 games like Sunday, but Jones almost got half of Kitna's completions.Compared to the other WRs, McDonald was involved. Wasn't expecting much vs. TB and don't think this game can gauge value going forward.

I think the game was a good test because the Lions finally had their full complement of skill-position players healthy again. Like you said, Jones was a key part of the passing game and we saw enough last season to believe that will continue. McDonald was on the field quite a bit but Kitna rarely looked for him. To me, that was the most revealing thing to come out of the game. There are simply too many mouths to feed right now. McDonald will probably have some good games here and there but I think the consistency we saw prior to the bye is now gone. He looked to have fallen to the fourth spot among the WRs and No. 4 WRs don't make for consistent fantasy starters.As a (former) McDonald owner, I'm happy for the production he gave me but it's time to move on just like it was for the Curtis owners a few years ago.

 

[ericttspikes]

Again I think the key factors here are:1. The number of pass attempts Detroit has each game.2. The number of targets McDonald gets.The second key will be determined by the number of 4-WR sets the team runs (assuming Johnson moves up to No. 2 and Furrey stays ahead of McDonald and becomes the No. 3). Thanks to duane's previous tracking we saw that the Lions do run a pretty high percentage of 4-WR sets each game. If that continues, McDonald will get on the field enough to have a chance to produce. And again, if he's on the field, the attention will be on Williams and Johnson, meaning McDonald will be getting single coverage. And we know Kitna trusts him and will throw to him.The other possible factor is whether McDonald has done enough to remain the No. 3 WR with Furrey moving to No. 4. Or could the two rotate as the No. 3 going forward? If one of those scenarios arises, then McDonald's chances to produce will remain steady.I still think this is a game where we'll learn about McDonald's value going forward. We'll see where he ranks on the Lions' pecking order - assuming Johnson moves up - and we'll see how many snaps he's getting and if his targets remain consistent with what we saw in the first five games.

Kevin Jones might take balls away from everyone. Not sure DET has too many 16/20 games like Sunday, but Jones almost got half of Kitna's completions.Compared to the other WRs, McDonald was involved. Wasn't expecting much vs. TB and don't think this game can gauge value going forward.

I think the game was a good test because the Lions finally had their full complement of skill-position players healthy again. Like you said, Jones was a key part of the passing game and we saw enough last season to believe that will continue. McDonald was on the field quite a bit but Kitna rarely looked for him. To me, that was the most revealing thing to come out of the game. There are simply too many mouths to feed right now. McDonald will probably have some good games here and there but I think the consistency we saw prior to the bye is now gone. He looked to have fallen to the fourth spot among the WRs and No. 4 WRs don't make for consistent fantasy starters.As a (former) McDonald owner, I'm happy for the production he gave me but it's time to move on just like it was for the Curtis owners a few years ago.

I know what you are saying. I think the idea people had of the Lions was that they would be an Arena ball team chuckin it 40-50 times a game this year. In that scenario, all 4 wideouts have value, especially since the TE doesn't seem to get involved much. And a guy not drafted in most leagues like McDonald could produce similar numbers to a guy who was like Furrey and be some value. Maybe Jones returning signals the end to the Martz pass happy attack, I don't know. If DET has more 16/20 games with Jones grabbing most of them, I'm not sure how much value any Lions WRs have or Kitna for that matter.

 

[prymetyme25]

Does anyone think that Shaun was just a product of the system or could he repeat his numbers?

79rec 943yds 11.9 6tds It aint Wes W. but it aint bad and seems to be better than any other #3wr. Could he flourish in a conventional offense?

Thoughts

 

[prymetyme25]

I guess this is why people just start new post and cluter up the SP.

 

[prymetyme25]

I guess this is why people just start new post and cluter up the SP.

 

[SharkPoollurkerFFAclown]

They said on ESPN today that the Lions wanted to trade him, I dont think he can but up the same numbers as this year if he stays.

 

[Spartans Rule]

They said on ESPN today that the Lions wanted to trade him, I dont think he can but up the same numbers as this year if he stays.

Obviously the one place that makes the most sense for him is San Francisco. Martz needs receivers, he likes McDonald, Detroit can spare him. He could do really well there.