Shawne Merriman on Priest Holmes (1 Viewer)

[BoltBacker]

Discussing things players say like this is something we've done here pretty much since day one.

... but I think some might question whether what he said was a big deal. He hit Priest as hard as he could just as he's paid to do. After the hit, in retrospect, he's quoted here as saying "You never want to end a players career, but it's a violent game."... the most damning part of everything that is posted is the writer describes him as smiling "wickidly" while saying it. If that's news, ok. I will admit it ranks right up there with... the pats deserve to angry about Merriman leading a chant "Brady Sucks!" at a PEP RALLY before the biggest day of his career. Or SD deserves to be angry because NE is celebrating a victory they earned. Or NE has a right to be angry because LT wouldn't shake some nobodys hand after the game. Does anyone honestly believe any of this stuff is what grown adults should be getting upset about? Is any of this stuff really to anyone? It all seems pretty tame to me. Happens every year in junior highschools across the country. LT can shake(or not shake) anyones hand he wants after the game. If NE wins they can dance as long as they want wherever they want... if you don't want them to do it all you have to do is beat them. Merriman can say whatever he wants as far as I'm concerned.... are there people out there that really think that Merriman thinks Brady sucks.... or further, that somehow it's hurting Tom Brady that someone somewhere is saying he sucks? Let's hope he never have to play a road game in PHI if that's the case. He may hear even worse !!!Sorry, but these stories all seem pretty vanilla to me and point to a bored behemoth sports media that doesn't have much else to write about.

 

[JayMan]

Quick question...

Suppose that, on an interception runback, a player hits Merriman and break Merriman's neck... when asked about it, that player has a wicked smile and responds "lights out"...

Are we going to see the same "you-cant-mimick-my-signature-move" whinning about that classless response by that player - or it is ok for him to be proud for him to have ended Merriman's career?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

They didn't just disrespect Merriman, Joe. They disrespected the team, coaches and fans. They showed no class and LT2 was right to call them on it. They looked like those thugs from the Florida colleges.

 

[TD Ryan]

They didn't just disrespect Merriman, Joe. They disrespected the team, coaches and fans. They showed no class and LT2 was right to call them on it. They looked like those thugs from the Florida colleges.

when "FredEx" Freddie Mitchell and TO acted like a jackasses before the SuperBowl that they lost, they were representing the Eagles.when Merriman acted like a jackass before the Playoff game the he lost, he was representing the Chargers.If you don't want your team mocked and ridiculed, then police your own players... clean up your own garbage. Don't let any of your guys, who wear your uniform and represent you, shoot their mouths off before-hand. And if they do, don't act like you're the victim when it comes full circle.for the record, I'm on the side that believes it would have been better if NE didn't mock him, but he had it coming.This latest story about Merriman and Priest will be just one of many more that are sure to surface.

 

[phthalatemagic]

If you don't want your team mocked and ridiculed, then police your own players... clean up your own garbage. Don't let any of your guys, who wear your uniform and represent you, shoot their mouths off before-hand. And if they do, don't act like you're the victim when it comes full circle.for the record, I'm on the side that believes it would have been better if NE didn't mock him, but he had it coming.This latest story about Merriman and Priest will be just one of many more that are sure to surface.

So, you believe true "class" when you socially enforce negative behavior, rather than ignoring it?

 

[TD Ryan]

So, you believe true "class" when you socially enforce negative behavior, rather than ignoring it?

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking me here but I believe it's something along the lines of, "so you think two wrongs make a right?"and to that, I say no they don't.I'm not supporting NE's post game behavior, nor am I calling it "classy".but what we have here is a school-yard bully that shot his mouth off before the fight, got punched in the nose during the fight, and then cried about being made fun of after the fight. And he may or may not have brought illegal brass knuckles to the fight... as that's part of his M.O.; he's done it before.So while NE's post-game behavior was offensive, what was done to provoke that behavior is far more offensive and egregious.

 

[phthalatemagic]

OK, I understand your POV now. I guess we just disagree on the usefulness of street justice. I do not think anyone has anything "coming" and cannot compare this to school yard fights. Then again, I'm a big fan of the Barry Sanders' school of thought with regards to celebration, the classy way of conducting yourself. I think character reveals itself when you are justified to not act like you have it, and both parties failed here.

 

[TD Ryan]

OK, I understand your POV now. I guess we just disagree... I do not think anyone has anything "coming"

:thumbsup: fair enough.

I'm a big fan of the Barry Sanders' school of thought with regards to celebration

I could not agree more.And I find that so many of us post that same thought about Barry and celebrations.I rarely (if ever) hear of anyone claiming they want/like the celebrations and dancing, yet that behavior is becoming more & more common?If people don't like/approve of it, how is it such a big marketing angle? If you dance after a play, I don't want to buy any product you're promoting and based on most of the posts I see, the majority of people feel that way.

 

[phthalatemagic]

If people don't like/approve of it, how is it such a big marketing angle? If you dance after a play, I don't want to buy any product you're promoting and based on most of the posts I see, the majority of people feel that way.

That's a good question. Maybe internet message board folks aren't the target audience? Maybe we are in the minority?

 

[Despyzer]

I rarely (if ever) hear of anyone claiming they want/like the celebrations and dancing, yet that behavior is becoming more & more common?If people don't like/approve of it, how is it such a big marketing angle? If you dance after a play, I don't want to buy any product you're promoting and based on most of the posts I see, the majority of people feel that way.

We have had many polls on this forum asking that very thing: Do you like or support football celebrations? While many point out the distinction between an endzone celebration and getting geeked up over a sack or a first down, a strong majority said they loved the celebrations and felt it really added to the game.

 

[BoltBacker]

Quick question...Suppose that, on an interception runback, a player hits Merriman and break Merriman's neck... when asked about it, that player has a wicked smile and responds "lights out"...Are we going to see the same "you-cant-mimick-my-signature-move" whinning about that classless response by that player - or it is ok for him to be proud for him to have ended Merriman's career?

Depends.If it's a wicked smile then I'm cool with it. If it's a mega-wicked smile then that guy's an S.O.B.... so I guess it depends on the author of the article writing about the player.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Quick question...Suppose that, on an interception runback, a player hits Merriman and break Merriman's neck... when asked about it, that player has a wicked smile and responds "lights out"...

Hi Jay,If a player ended a star like Merriman's career and smiled about it and did the "oh well - lights out" he would be shredded by everyone. And rightly so.J

 

[tommyGunZ]

I lost respect for him when he started his campaign against Jason Taylor.

You may have that one backwards.

I do? With Merriman seemingly making a fool out of himself weekly, I do find it tough to keep all of his antics straight, so I guess it is possible.

I seem to recall that Taylor was guilty of simply answering a question that was asked of him regarding Merriman getting caught cheating, and if cheaters deserved to be eligible for any awards. He gave an honest, logical answer, yet Merriman and various SD media outlets were crying foul about Taylor having an agenda.

Link to Merriman crying foul? I live in SD, hear/read everything Chargers, and don't recall Merriman crying foul.

 

[jonessed]

I lost respect for him when he started his campaign against Jason Taylor.

You may have that one backwards.

I do? With Merriman seemingly making a fool out of himself weekly, I do find it tough to keep all of his antics straight, so I guess it is possible.

I seem to recall that Taylor was guilty of simply answering a question that was asked of him regarding Merriman getting caught cheating, and if cheaters deserved to be eligible for any awards. He gave an honest, logical answer, yet Merriman and various SD media outlets were crying foul about Taylor having an agenda.

Link to Merriman crying foul? I live in SD, hear/read everything Chargers, and don't recall Merriman crying foul.

He never did nor did he complain about what the Pats did.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I lost respect for him when he started his campaign against Jason Taylor.

You may have that one backwards.

I do? With Merriman seemingly making a fool out of himself weekly, I do find it tough to keep all of his antics straight, so I guess it is possible.

I seem to recall that Taylor was guilty of simply answering a question that was asked of him regarding Merriman getting caught cheating, and if cheaters deserved to be eligible for any awards. He gave an honest, logical answer, yet Merriman and various SD media outlets were crying foul about Taylor having an agenda.

Link to Merriman crying foul? I live in SD, hear/read everything Chargers, and don't recall Merriman crying foul.

Hi Tg,I don't remember that Merriman "cried foul". Just the comeback with the shirt and popcorn thing.

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/patriots/?m=20070110

Now, on to Merriman, who was wildly fun to listen to. Last week, the All-Pro sent Jason Taylor a “Lights Out” hat, t-shirt and a box of popcorn, so he could “watch me in the playoffs” after Taylor’s comments criticizing his positive steroid test. Patriots QB Tom Brady said today that Taylor and Merriman would probably be sipping Mai Tais together at the Pro Bowl. In response to that, Merriman said, “tell Tom he can wear my shirts, I’ll send him some stuff.” Merriman also said in the 12-minute session that no one can block him one-on-one, and added that he’s not just a pass-rusher, but a “playmaker.”

J

 

[Despyzer]

Now, on to Merriman, who was wildly fun to listen to. Last week, the All-Pro sent Jason Taylor a “Lights Out” hat, t-shirt and a box of popcorn, so he could “watch me in the playoffs” after Taylor’s comments criticizing his positive steroid test. Patriots QB Tom Brady said today that Taylor and Merriman would probably be sipping Mai Tais together at the Pro Bowl. In response to that, Merriman said, “tell Tom he can wear my shirts, I’ll send him some stuff.” Merriman also said in the 12-minute session that no one can block him one-on-one, and added that he’s not just a pass-rusher, but a “playmaker.”

Wow... that is freakin' obnoxious. :X

 

[Jack Burton]

They didn't just disrespect Merriman, Joe. They disrespected the team, coaches and fans. They showed no class and LT2 was right to call them on it. They looked like those thugs from the Florida colleges.

I dont root for the Pats, but for some reason I loved watching them dance all over that field right in the Chargers players/coaches/fans face simply because if the Chargers had won they would have been dancing in the Pats' face for sure. Disrepected???... or just beat the Chargers to the punch. If you dont want teams dancing on your home field dont blow an eight point lead with four minutes left.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

They didn't just disrespect Merriman, Joe. They disrespected the team, coaches and fans. They showed no class and LT2 was right to call them on it. They looked like those thugs from the Florida colleges.

I dont root for the Pats, but for some reason I loved watching them dance all over that field right in the Chargers players/coaches/fans face simply because if the Chargers had won they would have been dancing in the Pats' face for sure. Disrepected???... or just beat the Chargers to the punch. If you dont want teams dancing on your home field dont blow an eight point lead with four minutes left.

Well if the Pats had won by more than a touchdown, they would have purposely run over a little old lady with the team bus. So they are the real stinkers here. (As long as we are impugning people for their made up hypothetical actions.)

 

[Jack Burton]

They didn't just disrespect Merriman, Joe. They disrespected the team, coaches and fans. They showed no class and LT2 was right to call them on it. They looked like those thugs from the Florida colleges.

I dont root for the Pats, but for some reason I loved watching them dance all over that field right in the Chargers players/coaches/fans face simply because if the Chargers had won they would have been dancing in the Pats' face for sure. Disrepected???... or just beat the Chargers to the punch. If you dont want teams dancing on your home field dont blow an eight point lead with four minutes left.

Well if the Pats had won by more than a touchdown, they would have purposely run over a little old lady with the team bus. So they are the real stinkers here. (As long as we are impugning people for their made up hypothetical actions.)

They are stinkers for running over an old lady hypothetically speaking, obviously.But please...everyone knows the Chargers would have did the lights out dance if they came back late to win in Foxborrough. who are you kidding? I loved watching the Pats stick it to the Chargers mainly because it meant not having to potentially watch the Chargers celebrate in their own manner. Is that better?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

the Chargers would have did the lights out dance if they came back late to win in Foxborrough

There's zero evidence for that.I think if you're to hold something against someone, it should be something he actually did, not something you think he might be inclined to do in some kind of alternate universe.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

I think Shawne Merriman had best tone things down, or he's going to mysteriously be kidnapped at 3AM and returned to his home planet of Remulak.

 

[Despyzer]

the Chargers would have did the lights out dance if they came back late to win in Foxborrough

There's zero evidence for that.I think if you're to hold something against someone, it should be something he actually did, not something you think he might have done in some kind of alternate universe.

Quit making crap up, Jack.

 

[56]

I lost respect for him when he started his campaign against Jason Taylor.

You may have that one backwards.

I do? With Merriman seemingly making a fool out of himself weekly, I do find it tough to keep all of his antics straight, so I guess it is possible.

I seem to recall that Taylor was guilty of simply answering a question that was asked of him regarding Merriman getting caught cheating, and if cheaters deserved to be eligible for any awards. He gave an honest, logical answer, yet Merriman and various SD media outlets were crying foul about Taylor having an agenda.

Link to Merriman crying foul? I live in SD, hear/read everything Chargers, and don't recall Merriman crying foul.

I am obviously talking about the "lights out" tee shirt and hat deal, his foolish comments "I'm in the playoffs and Taylor is at home" (nice jinx), and the general urination contest that Merriman had with Taylor. I guess I am the only one that found it odd that Meriman only got into it with Taylor and not any of the other players who echoed Taylor's opinion. The same question was asked of Shaun Springs, Strahan, Tiki Barber, Simeon Rice and a host of other NFL players, and they too felt that cheaters like Merriman should not be eligible for any awards. Yet somehow Merriman did not send any shirts their way.

 

[Jack Burton]

the Chargers would have did the lights out dance if they came back late to win in Foxborrough

There's zero evidence for that.I think if you're to hold something against someone, it should be something he actually did, not something you think he might have done in some kind of alternate universe.

Sometimes in life I feel I can safely assume certain things. This is definitely one of those times. Nothing is for sure, but as far as evidence goes the Chargers did start that dance and Im confident they would have celebrated "lights out" style had they won. Thanks to The Pats we will never know for sure. Instead its "Light Out" for the Chargers.

 

[Despyzer]

Sometimes in life I feel I can safely assume certain things. This is definitely one of those times. Nothing is for sure, but as far as evidence goes the Chargers did start that dance and Im confident they would have celebrated "lights out" style had they won. Thanks to The Pats we will never know for sure. Instead its "Light Out" for the Chargers.

Link to this "evidence" that anyone on the team has ever done the Lights Out dance other than Merriman?Those last two sentences of yours explain why you feel you can "safely assume" and be "confident" about something that has never happened before.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I lost respect for him when he started his campaign against Jason Taylor.

You may have that one backwards.

I do? With Merriman seemingly making a fool out of himself weekly, I do find it tough to keep all of his antics straight, so I guess it is possible.

I seem to recall that Taylor was guilty of simply answering a question that was asked of him regarding Merriman getting caught cheating, and if cheaters deserved to be eligible for any awards. He gave an honest, logical answer, yet Merriman and various SD media outlets were crying foul about Taylor having an agenda.

Link to Merriman crying foul? I live in SD, hear/read everything Chargers, and don't recall Merriman crying foul.

Hi Tg,I don't remember that Merriman "cried foul". Just the comeback with the shirt and popcorn thing.

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/patriots/?m=20070110

Now, on to Merriman, who was wildly fun to listen to. Last week, the All-Pro sent Jason Taylor a “Lights Out” hat, t-shirt and a box of popcorn, so he could “watch me in the playoffs” after Taylor’s comments criticizing his positive steroid test. Patriots QB Tom Brady said today that Taylor and Merriman would probably be sipping Mai Tais together at the Pro Bowl. In response to that, Merriman said, “tell Tom he can wear my shirts, I’ll send him some stuff.” Merriman also said in the 12-minute session that no one can block him one-on-one, and added that he’s not just a pass-rusher, but a “playmaker.”

J

Maybe it's just me, but I see this as good natured trash talk amongst players. I certainly wouldn't call it "crying foul". There's no "crying" to it.

 

[Jack Burton]

Sometimes in life I feel I can safely assume certain things. This is definitely one of those times. Nothing is for sure, but as far as evidence goes the Chargers did start that dance and Im confident they would have celebrated "lights out" style had they won. Thanks to The Pats we will never know for sure. Instead its "Light Out" for the Chargers.

Link to this "evidence" that anyone on the team has ever done the Lights Out dance other than Merriman?Those last two sentences of yours explain why you feel you can "safely assume" and be "confident" about something that has never happened before.

Nevermind the link BS. Merriman is sending T shirts and hats that say "lights out" to other players around the league and your trying to convince me there is no basis for thinking they would have celebrated that way had they won? Obviously it is just my opinion and could be wrong but I loved watching it be thrown back in his and his teams face. LT2 didnt handle it well I didnt want to see another lights out dance by anyone on the Chargers.

 

[Despyzer]

Nevermind the link BS. Merriman is sending T shirts and hats that say "lights out" to other players around the league and your trying to convince me there is no basis for thinking they would have celebrated that way had they won? Obviously it is just my opinion and could be wrong but I loved watching it be thrown back in his and his teams face.

LT2 didnt handle it well

I didnt want to see another lights out dance by anyone on the Chargers.

Merriman = they?Once again, link to any "evidence" of any other Charger besides Merriman doing the Lights Out dance? Seeing it is your contention that you are certain they would have done it, name once that it has ever happened before.

It's not tough if there is any legitimacy behind your post (which there probably isn't).

 

[Kit Fisto]

This pissing match is STILL going on?

 

[Despyzer]

Here's what the commisioner, Roger Goodell, had to say about Merriman after meeting with him before the Pro Bowl:

"He's a very straight-up guy,” Goodell said. “I think he recognizes the issue and he's supportive of what we're going to do. I think he wants to be very active in making sure other people don't make the same mistakes. I was very impressed with him.”

Also from that article:

Merriman said earlier this week he is in favor of a new NFL policy that will go into effect next season that will ban a player suspended for steroids from playing in the Pro Bowl.

Merriman also met yesterday with Gene Upshaw, executive director of the players association.

Merriman has long planned to work with the league and the union to educate players on the perils of using nutritional supplements.