Shift of power changing in the NFC? (1 Viewer)

[BigTex]

Adam Schefter reported on the NFL network that Law will go to either Green Bay or Washington sometime today. He has an offer from GB, and Washington is looking to match.

The Redskins are believed to be pursuing San Diego cornerback Jamar Fletcher for their vacant nickel back spot. Fletcher, 26, is a former first-round pick of Miami who had one sack and one interception last year.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6031400957.html

It seems that the Skinz are the busy in the FA market. Which would seem logical since they only have 5 picks in the draft and the first coming in at #53. I may not agree with the amount of money Little Danny is putting out there, they seem to be making the right moves.

So considering the above, does the balance of power shift to the Skinz? Or will all this just fall apart?

 

[gman8343]

Any team in the NFC East has a shot IMO. Tough division to be in.

 

[Kub]

IMO, they have too much uncertainty at the most important position on the field. I think that Brunell's age and injury history combined with Campbell being so much of an uncertain quantity make it impossible to pick the Skins as the top team in the NFC. I am not even sure the Redskins are the favorite in the East, much less the conference.

I have to think that the top dog in the NFC is still the Seahawks, with the Bears, Panthers, and all four NFC East teams on their heels.

 

[BeTheMatch]

So considering the above, does the balance of power shift to the Skinz?

No.

 

[fatness]

They can't be the favorite. They do look improved since last year but it remains to be seen how they'll play. And critical injuries were something they avoided last year; one or two of those can wreck a season --- ask the Eagles.

My guess as to how the NFC should be ranked:

Seattle

Carolina

Washington

the rest of the NFC East

Chicago

 

[BlueOnion]

So considering the above, does the balance of power shift to the Skinz?

No.

Skins barely squeezed into the playoffs last year and snuck by the Bucs because the Bucs made some early mistakes. They will be lucky to make the playoffs next season with the Giants, Eagles and Cowboys.

 

[dgreen]

So considering the above, does the balance of power shift to the Skinz?

No.

Skins barely squeezed into the playoffs last year and snuck by the Bucs because the Bucs made some early mistakes. They will be lucky to make the playoffs next season with the Giants, Eagles and Cowboys.

Good analysis. Here's some more:The Giants lost miserably in their playoff game. They'll be lucky to make the playoffs next season with the Eagles, Cowboys, and Redskins.

The Cowboys missed the playoffs last year. They'll be lucky to make the playoffs next season with the Eagles, Giants, and Redskins.

The Eagles spiraled out of control last year. They'll be lucky to make the playoffs next season with the Giants, Cowboys, and Redskins.

 

[LHUCKS]

If the Boys get TO...watch out.

 

[Jason Wood]

Ty Law and Jamar Fletcher?!?!?

 

[dgreen]

Or will all this just fall apart?

This offseason has been similar to 2000 for the Redskins.Skins fans affectionately refer to that 2000 team as the Fortune 500 Skins; they spent a fortune and finished .500. In 2000 and 2006, the team will be coming off wild card wins and divisional playoff losses. In 2000, they added guys like Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders, and Jeff George. While not adding names that big in 2006, they have gone all out again to try and make the next jump.

The 2000 team was 6-2 at one point. The collapse started just as the first half was ending on MNF against the Titans, when Rolle returned and INT for a TD as time expired. Brad Johnson suffered and injury and Jeff George wasn't capable of winning. Norv was eventually fired and they struggled to finish 8-8.

So, what' different about 2006? Easy: Joe Gibbs >>>>>>>>>>> Norv Turner. Sure, it could backfire like in 2000, but I'm guessing it won't barring a plethora of injuries.

 

[dgreen]

If the Boys get TO...watch out.

I agree. Those Skins-Boys games are going to be amazing to watch.

 

[David Yudkin]

Did Snyder get the memo that there still is a salary cap or is he operating under the assumption that it is an uncapped 2007 season?

 

[dgreen]

Adam Schefter reported on the NFL network that Law will go to either Green Bay or Washington sometime today. He has an offer from GB, and Washington is looking to match.

Did you actually see this comment? I ask because when I read the quote, I can see it possibly being a joke by Adam.

 

[fatness]

If the Boys get TO...watch out.

They'll be very competitive for the 8 or so games he plays. Maybe he can help their offense outscore what their defense allows. They gave up 24 pts/game for the last 6 games last year.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Ty Law and Jamar Fletcher?!?!?

Ok, so they signed two more washed up players to go along with Archuletta and Carter and the Smurfs they got at WR.

Now if you're talking at the apparent lack of a cap that Wash is playing by, I agree.

 

[fatness]

Did Snyder get the memo that there still is a salary cap or is he operating under the assumption that is an uncapped 2007 season?

They're under the same cap everyone else is.

 

[fatness]

Ok, so they signed two more washed up players to go along with Archuletta and Carter and the Smurfs they got at WR.

From a guy who heard it

i heard it on there network he said it sarcastically as if we would offer him something since we have been very active with free agents. ty law wont be signed by the redskins

You are now free to say it would be a good signing for Green Bay.

 

[Quez]

Did Snyder get the memo that there still is a salary cap or is he operating under the assumption that it is an uncapped 2007 season?

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Ok, so they signed two more washed up players to go along with Archuletta and Carter and the Smurfs they got at WR.

From a guy who heard it

i heard it on there network he said it sarcastically as if we would offer him something since we have been very active with free agents. ty law wont be signed by the redskins

You are now free to say it would be a good signing for Green Bay.

Heh, as a Bears fan, I love the signing for GB. Hope Law took them for everything they had.....

 

[jsargos]

Or will all this just fall apart?

This offseason has been similar to 2000 for the Redskins.Skins fans affectionately refer to that 2000 team as the Fortune 500 Skins; they spent a fortune and finished .500. In 2000 and 2006, the team will be coming off wild card wins and divisional playoff losses. In 2000, they added guys like Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders, and Jeff George. While not adding names that big in 2006, they have gone all out again to try and make the next jump.

The 2000 team was 6-2 at one point. The collapse started just as the first half was ending on MNF against the Titans, when Rolle returned and INT for a TD as time expired. Brad Johnson suffered and injury and Jeff George wasn't capable of winning. Norv was eventually fired and they struggled to finish 8-8.

So, what' different about 2006? Easy: Joe Gibbs >>>>>>>>>>> Norv Turner. Sure, it could backfire like in 2000, but I'm guessing it won't barring a plethora of injuries.

The other huge difference is that the guys being added are either in or just about to enter the prime of their careers (excluding Fauria and Collins who are clearly depth signings). Smith and Sanders were well past their primes when they they joined the Skins, and George of course never had one.

 

[Capella]

They can't be the favorite. They do look improved since last year but it remains to be seen how they'll play. And critical injuries were something they avoided last year; one or two of those can wreck a season --- ask the Eagles.

My guess as to how the NFC should be ranked:

Seattle

Carolina

Washington

So basically, you expect 2006 to repeat 2005.My 2006 AFC order:

Pittsburgh

Denver

Indy

New England

 

[Johnny Ice]

So considering the above, does the balance of power shift to the Skinz?

No.

Skins barely squeezed into the playoffs last year and snuck by the Bucs because the Bucs made some early mistakes. They will be lucky to make the playoffs next season with the Giants, Eagles and Cowboys.

This is very funny.

 

[pinequick]

Ty Law and Jamar Fletcher?!?!?

Isn't anyone else thinking that Ty Law is sort of like the kind of player that the Redskins signed in the past (Carrier, Bruce Smith, D. Sanders)? Seems sort of past his prime. Didn't he get a lot of illegal contact penalties last season?

 

[Koya]

i would expect a drop off for brunell along with santana moss who has always had a proclivity to get dinged. skins had some nice breaks last year and i dont see them as ateam on the rise.

 

[ExaltedOne]

i would expect a drop off for brunell along with santana moss who has always had a proclivity to get dinged. skins had some nice breaks last year and i dont see them as ateam on the rise.

So getting two more good receivers would hurt Brunell? Moss has only missed two games in the last 4 season. Do some research before posting idiocy.

 

[fatness]

So basically, you expect 2006 to repeat 2005.

Actually 2005 went more likeSeattle

Chicago

Giants

Tampa Bay

Carolina

Washington

if I remember correctly. It's easy to forget Tampa Bay, though. They lost twice to the Redskins, with the refs only able to reverse one of those losses.

defense and hard liquor

 

[Sea Bass]

It isn't unusual for the Skins to add big name players. It would be unusual for them to be a power in the NFC.

On paper they have made some nice moves. Let's wait until they actually do something before we annoit them.

I truely hope that they continue to improve under Gibbs.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Or will all this just fall apart?

This offseason has been similar to 2000 for the Redskins.Skins fans affectionately refer to that 2000 team as the Fortune 500 Skins; they spent a fortune and finished .500. In 2000 and 2006, the team will be coming off wild card wins and divisional playoff losses. In 2000, they added guys like Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders, and Jeff George. While not adding names that big in 2006, they have gone all out again to try and make the next jump.

The 2000 team was 6-2 at one point. The collapse started just as the first half was ending on MNF against the Titans, when Rolle returned and INT for a TD as time expired. Brad Johnson suffered and injury and Jeff George wasn't capable of winning. Norv was eventually fired and they struggled to finish 8-8.

So, what' different about 2006? Easy: Joe Gibbs >>>>>>>>>>> Norv Turner. Sure, it could backfire like in 2000, but I'm guessing it won't barring a plethora of injuries.

Those signings in 2000 were old over the hill players. They started out 6-2, then they faded down the stretch- not a surprise for an old team.These signings are young players in their primes. And the fact that they have Gibbs now means they won't fade as easily imo.

 

[Assani Fisher]

So basically, you expect 2006 to repeat 2005.

Actually 2005 went more likeSeattle

Chicago

Giants

Tampa Bay

Carolina

Washington

if I remember correctly. It's easy to forget Tampa Bay, though. They lost twice to the Redskins, with the refs only able to reverse one of those losses.

defense and hard liquor

 

[poopdawg]

Dont know if anyone saw Cold Pizza yesterday, but one of the idiots said that the Skins are now the favorite to WIN THE SUPERBOWL with their huge upgrade at WR. Im a Pitt homer and a big fan of Randle El, but he and Brandon Lloyd are not exactly superstars.

 

[redman]

Jokes about Tampa Bay aside, I for one was impressed with Chris Simms' development and think they'll be in contention.

I'm curious why no one is mentioning Atlanta. I'm not thrilled with Vick at QB either, but they play defense and can run the ball which, last time I checked, was a solid recipe for making the playoffs.

 

[redman]

Dont know if anyone saw Cold Pizza yesterday, but one of the idiots said that the Skins are now the favorite to WIN THE SUPERBOWL with their huge upgrade at WR. Im a Pitt homer and a big fan of Randle El, but he and Brandon Lloyd are not exactly superstars.

That's crazy talk in March, which to me means that some windbag is just filling time during a slow time of the year for football. I like what the 'Skins are doing but it's far from a certainty that they'll win their division, which is a very important ingredient in a Super Bowl run.

 

[jsargos]

Jokes about Tampa Bay aside, I for one was impressed with Chris Simms' development and think they'll be in contention.

I'm curious why no one is mentioning Atlanta. I'm not thrilled with Vick at QB either, but they play defense and can run the ball which, last time I checked, was a solid recipe for making the playoffs.

They regressed in year 2 under Mora. I was excited about their prospects last year based on their defense and ability to run the ball, but the way they finished the season makes it hard to expect much in 2006.

 

[Big Score]

I'm curious why no one is mentioning Atlanta.  I'm not thrilled with Vick at QB either, but they play defense and can run the ball which, last time I checked, was a solid recipe for making the playoffs.

Actually the Falcons D was very middle of the pack last year. Lots of injuries did them in. Brady Smith, Hartwell, Mathis etc, etc.Now if their D avoids being decimated by injury again, I can see them returning to their form of 2004 and definitely being a play off caliber team.

But back on topic.

I'd say the Skins are certainly a team to reckon with. But this is on paper and early...lets see how the draft unfolds and where T.O. lands (Dallas) before writing it in permanent marker that the Skins are now the class of the NFC.

 

[Percula]

I'm a big fan of the 'skins but really, is there any reason at all to think Seattle is still not the front-runner?

and I really really hope TO goes out of the division

 

[redman]

I'm a big fan of the 'skins but really, is there any reason at all to think Seattle is still not the front-runner?

and I really really hope TO goes out of the division

They've lost two key offensive players in Jurevicious and Hutchinson. In addition, I think Arizona is poised to give them some competition within the division that they didn't have last year, and they're going to be facing the schedule that the 2nd best team in football gets. They're going to have a tougher road than last year.

 

[scratcher]

With all the money spending... why didnt they get a QB? Brunell did fine last season but come on now... you're going to hinge your entire season and all this money you've spent on a 35 year old QB?

 

[redman]

With all the money spending... why didnt they get a QB? Brunell did fine last season but come on now... you're going to hinge your entire season and all this money you've spent on a 35 year old QB?

They say that Jason Campbell is ready. I guess we'll all wait and see together as I don't believe Brunell will play all 16 games.

 

[scoobygang]

Jokes about Tampa Bay aside, I for one was impressed with Chris Simms' development and think they'll be in contention.

I definitely think Tampa Bay is one of the NFC teams that have to be considered favorites. I'd certainly put them ahead of any NFC North team.Seattle might not be as good, but they still have to be the favorites because they're one team where I don't have any questions about the quarterback.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Bookmark this thread.

It's called a football TEAM for a reason. The players must be comfortable playing as a cohesive unit - and Washington continues to shake things up EVERY flippin season.

There's not a snowball's chance in hell the Redskins will be the 'power' of the NFC.

Hell, they won't even make it to the NFC Championship Game in the next decade.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Bookmark this thread.

It's called a football TEAM for a reason.  The players must be comfortable playing as a cohesive unit - and Washington continues to shake things up EVERY flippin season.

There's not a snowball's chance in hell the Redskins will be the 'power' of the NFC.

Hell, they won't even make it to the NFC Championship Game in the next decade.

Should I bookmark this thread just like I bookmarked this other one?

They can score 20+ points in ONE game this year and they'll make the playoffs next year?

Please.... stop yourself.

Live in the now, not in the past.

Joe Gibbs WAS an offensive genius and a great head coach.  It's not like the Skins have a stockpile of draft picks in '05 or any salary cap money to improve themselves much.

 

[BlueOnion]

It isn't unusual for the Skins to add big name players. It would be unusual for them to be a power in the NFC.

Actually, the only time they haven't added big names in free agency was last year, which they followed up with a playoff apperance. I suspect a return to free agent splashing results in another 8-8 year.Of course patterns are not laws, so this year could be an exception for the Skins.

 

[JAM]

Dont know if anyone saw Cold Pizza yesterday, but one of the idiots said that the Skins are now the favorite to WIN THE SUPERBOWL with their huge upgrade at WR. Im a Pitt homer and a big fan of Randle El, but he and Brandon Lloyd are not exactly superstars.

Maybe they're not, but they are huge upgrades, never the less.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Bookmark this thread.

It's called a football TEAM for a reason.  The players must be comfortable playing as a cohesive unit - and Washington continues to shake things up EVERY flippin season.

There's not a snowball's chance in hell the Redskins will be the 'power' of the NFC.

Hell, they won't even make it to the NFC Championship Game in the next decade.

Should I bookmark this thread just like I bookmarked this other one?

They can score 20+ points in ONE game this year and they'll make the playoffs next year?

Please.... stop yourself.

Live in the now, not in the past.

Joe Gibbs WAS an offensive genius and a great head coach.   It's not like the Skins have a stockpile of draft picks in '05 or any salary cap money to improve themselves much.

They're nothing... absolutely nothing. Even though they beat my Bears the last two years, they didn't exactly do it convincingly in their home opener last season.How is the 'highest payroll', 'big name players' and 'big name Head Coach / GM' schtick working out for the New York Knicks this year?

 

[Johnny Ice]

Bookmark this thread.

It's called a football TEAM for a reason. The players must be comfortable playing as a cohesive unit - and Washington continues to shake things up EVERY flippin season.

There's not a snowball's chance in hell the Redskins will be the 'power' of the NFC.

Hell, they won't even make it to the NFC Championship Game in the next decade.

 

[Spiderman]

Clearly the Bears have the best team in the NFC - their lack of activity in the free agent market shows that they have no holes to fill, and they are ready to dominate the upcoming season, beginning with the NFL draft in April.

 

[Koya]

i would expect a drop off for brunell along with santana moss who has always had a proclivity to get dinged. skins had some nice breaks last year and i dont see them as ateam on the rise.

So getting two more good receivers would hurt Brunell? Moss has only missed two games in the last 4 season. Do some research before posting idiocy.

Oooh, going to the tough man card.Brunell is no spring chicken. Last year was an old age career type year imo.

Now, for the idiocy part, I never said Moss isn't a gamer. I never said Moss gets injured nor misses games. I did say dinged.

Having watched him with the Jets PLENTY, I understand that the guy is not the most durable in terms of staying 100%. Sorry if my few years watching the guy doesnt rise above idiocy.

 

[dotman]

The Skin's would have been better off spending all this money on Brees. I just don't think they go far with Brunnell under center.

 

[MLBrandow]

Washington is still my pick for the NFC next year.

Why would Ty Law go there? He won't even start...

Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, Sean Taylor.... he going to play SS? NB?

If he had any brains he'd be signing a deal with whatever team Larry Johnson plays for.

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

I don't see Washington getting more than 9 wins this upcoming year. The NFC East is going to be some battle with Dallas (especially if or when TO signs with them) and Philly being back. I think Washington overpaid for guys like Carter and Arch, both who have back/neck problems. Brunell will be the key though.

As for the other divisions, Chicago is strong still in the North but I don't like their O yet. Watch out for Detroit if they get their QB'ing in place. Minny should be a year away (hopefully). Arizona and their new digs and Offense should be entertaining but their D is a bit weak still. Seattle should be strong but if they lose Hutch then not as strong. St Louis and N O, maybe in a year. Atlanta has issues on D so they might be good but not great. Tampa to me is starting to get old so I don't consider them. To me the team to beat next year in the NFC is going to be Carolina. They picked up some re-enforcements to man the inside of their DL. If Drew Carter can become a compliment to Smith, they could be something to watch in 06.