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Should Chris Johnson be benched? (1 Viewer)

gianmarco

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I don't think I've ever seen a starting RB perform so badly and still retain a starting job as long as him.

So, should he be benched? If not now, when should he be? Will he be?

:popcorn:

ETA--I'm talking about NFL-wise, not fantasy. He currently has 45 total rushing yards on 33 carries over 3 games.

 
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Better questions are:

Why wasn't this posted on the Chris Johnson thread?

Why have the mods been asleep this year?

 
Fantasy yes, NFL lol no.
You laugh like this is just a silly notion?The guy is stealing money every Sunday. No effort.
And his backups arent good. CJ hasnt lost it, the running game isnt a solo effort. Hes running poorly no doubt, but Ringer and whoever their 3rd stringer are certainly arent the solution.
Harper not the answer...Ringer has been a bit dinged...but if healthy, he has not been given a shot to know if a little change in person is not a little bit of a solution.
 
Ringer isn't special but he looked much more efficient last year at least getting the 3-5yards that were there and not dancing or being forever patient like cj. Ringer early in his Mich St career was a speedster but his senior year and since has became more a tough gritty runner with some burst. At this point he could be the Alfred Morris to cj's helu

 
The notion that his back ups would be more effective than him is pretty laughable. We saw it last year, Ringer was just as ineffective behind that sad excuse of an OL. Whether it be CJ, Ringer, Harper or Reynaud, they'll all fail when..

..they get hit 7-8 yards behind the LOS numerous times a game.

..they succumb to shoddy play calling.

..there isn't another realistic threat to draw attention from the run game.

..there team is down by 2 scores at the end of the 1rst.

..they touch the ball 10 times a game.

Hopefully after Locker's performance and Britt getting back into the swing of things, teams will start to respect the pass and the play calling will become a bit more imaginative. Until then, he should be riding all fantasy benches.

 
The notion that his back ups would be more effective than him is pretty laughable. We saw it last year, Ringer was just as ineffective behind that sad excuse of an OL. Whether it be CJ, Ringer, Harper or Reynaud, they'll all fail when..

..they get hit 7-8 yards behind the LOS numerous times a game.

..they succumb to shoddy play calling.

..there isn't another realistic threat to draw attention from the run game.

..there team is down by 2 scores at the end of the 1rst.

..they touch the ball 10 times a game.

Hopefully after Locker's performance and Britt getting back into the swing of things, teams will start to respect the pass and the play calling will become a bit more imaginative. Until then, he should be riding all fantasy benches.
While the OL is bad...the point is that they should give the backups some shots to see if there is any difference.

Continuing to do the same thing over and over and over is wrong.

And there are plenty of people down here who have looked at the plays and seen and shown where CJ has missed holes and cuts on these runs.

 
The notion that his back ups would be more effective than him is pretty laughable. We saw it last year, Ringer was just as ineffective behind that sad excuse of an OL. Whether it be CJ, Ringer, Harper or Reynaud, they'll all fail when..

..they get hit 7-8 yards behind the LOS numerous times a game.

..they succumb to shoddy play calling.

..there isn't another realistic threat to draw attention from the run game.

..there team is down by 2 scores at the end of the 1rst.

..they touch the ball 10 times a game.

Hopefully after Locker's performance and Britt getting back into the swing of things, teams will start to respect the pass and the play calling will become a bit more imaginative. Until then, he should be riding all fantasy benches.
While the OL is bad...the point is that they should give the backups some shots to see if there is any difference.

Continuing to do the same thing over and over and over is wrong.

And there are plenty of people down here who have looked at the plays and seen and shown where CJ has missed holes and cuts on these runs.
I quite honestly think his talent is being wasted. I agree, he does seem to dance at times, but that usually happens when two defenders have breached the OL and are up in his grill. Sure, he's no McCoy who can turn a 5 yard loss into a 3 yard gain, but neither are his back-ups. They may not lose as many yards as CJ does on busted plays, but they also wouldn't have looked as good as he did when he busted those three 10+ yarders on outside running plays last week. I don't know, people putting all of the blame on CJ (not you) and totally discounting every other variable (there's a ton) because he's "ruining their fantasy year" are getting more and more annoying by the day.
 
I quite honestly think his talent is being wasted. I agree, he does seem to dance at times, but that usually happens when two defenders have breached the OL and are up in his grill. Sure, he's no McCoy who can turn a 5 yard loss into a 3 yard gain, but neither are his back-ups. They may not lose as many yards as CJ does on busted plays, but they also wouldn't have looked as good as he did when he busted those three 10+ yarders on outside running plays last week. I don't know, people putting all of the blame on CJ (not you) and totally discounting every other variable (there's a ton) because he's "ruining their fantasy year" are getting more and more annoying by the day.
Some of that for sure.But he has not shown any of the elusiveness or breakaway speed that he had in his big year.He is going down on first contact far too often and the dancing is making it even worse.Factor that in with some of the body language that makes it look like he just does not care.Its not all on CJ at all...the Oline has played horribly.I don't think they should bench him altogether...just give an expanded roll to some of the backups (Id love to see what Reynaud can do actually).
 
Can we start calling him LJ2k. This dude is Larry Johnson all over again. Haven't seen a complete cliff dive talent wise since then.

 
Is Ringer a tough runner? Isn't he just a small speedster? What difference would that make?
Nothing about ringer is speedy. He's a plodder if anything. Titans should have addressed backup rb position this offseason after seeing what cjnok did last year. I have a feeling ringer gets at least 7-10 touches this week, and if can turn those into 40-50 yards then benching conversations will start in earnest. CJ really hurt himself by calling out his line. He let his one incredible season go straight to his head and it has ruined him. He has no sense of accountability and plays like a #####.
 
The notion that his back ups would be more effective than him is pretty laughable. We saw it last year, Ringer was just as ineffective behind that sad excuse of an OL. Whether it be CJ, Ringer, Harper or Reynaud, they'll all fail when..

..they get hit 7-8 yards behind the LOS numerous times a game.

..they succumb to shoddy play calling.

..there isn't another realistic threat to draw attention from the run game.

..there team is down by 2 scores at the end of the 1rst.

..they touch the ball 10 times a game.

Hopefully after Locker's performance and Britt getting back into the swing of things, teams will start to respect the pass and the play calling will become a bit more imaginative. Until then, he should be riding all fantasy benches.
While the OL is bad...the point is that they should give the backups some shots to see if there is any difference.

Continuing to do the same thing over and over and over is wrong.

And there are plenty of people down here who have looked at the plays and seen and shown where CJ has missed holes and cuts on these runs.
I quite honestly think his talent is being wasted. I agree, he does seem to dance at times, but that usually happens when two defenders have breached the OL and are up in his grill. Sure, he's no McCoy who can turn a 5 yard loss into a 3 yard gain, but neither are his back-ups. They may not lose as many yards as CJ does on busted plays, but they also wouldn't have looked as good as he did when he busted those three 10+ yarders on outside running plays last week. I don't know, people putting all of the blame on CJ (not you) and totally discounting every other variable (there's a ton) because he's "ruining their fantasy year" are getting more and more annoying by the day.
There are a lot worse lines in the league than the Titans.
 
Is Ringer a tough runner? Isn't he just a small speedster? What difference would that make?
Nothing about ringer is speedy. He's a plodder if anything. Titans should have addressed backup rb position this offseason after seeing what cjnok did last year. I have a feeling ringer gets at least 7-10 touches this week, and if can turn those into 40-50 yards then benching conversations will start in earnest. CJ really hurt himself by calling out his line. He let his one incredible season go straight to his head and it has ruined him. He has no sense of accountability and plays like a #####.
Not much talk about Harper, or is there really nothing to talk about ?
 
NFL wise, I don't know...I haven't seen him or them enough to really say

Fantasy wise, absolutely benched if not flat out dropped for a waiver wire pickup

 
I was at the game Sunday, Johnsson didn't play bad. The line is bad, I thought he took what they gave him and actually made a couple decent runs.

 
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The notion that his back ups would be more effective than him is pretty laughable. We saw it last year, Ringer was just as ineffective behind that sad excuse of an OL. Whether it be CJ, Ringer, Harper or Reynaud, they'll all fail when..

..they get hit 7-8 yards behind the LOS numerous times a game.

..they succumb to shoddy play calling.

..there isn't another realistic threat to draw attention from the run game.

..there team is down by 2 scores at the end of the 1rst.

..they touch the ball 10 times a game.

Hopefully after Locker's performance and Britt getting back into the swing of things, teams will start to respect the pass and the play calling will become a bit more imaginative. Until then, he should be riding all fantasy benches.
While the OL is bad...the point is that they should give the backups some shots to see if there is any difference.

Continuing to do the same thing over and over and over is wrong.

And there are plenty of people down here who have looked at the plays and seen and shown where CJ has missed holes and cuts on these runs.
I quite honestly think his talent is being wasted. I agree, he does seem to dance at times, but that usually happens when two defenders have breached the OL and are up in his grill. Sure, he's no McCoy who can turn a 5 yard loss into a 3 yard gain, but neither are his back-ups. They may not lose as many yards as CJ does on busted plays, but they also wouldn't have looked as good as he did when he busted those three 10+ yarders on outside running plays last week. I don't know, people putting all of the blame on CJ (not you) and totally discounting every other variable (there's a ton) because he's "ruining their fantasy year" are getting more and more annoying by the day.
There are a lot worse lines in the league than the Titans.
At pass blocking, definitely. At running blocking? Very very few.
 
'GordonGekko said:
I don't think I've ever seen a starting RB perform so badly and still retain a starting job as long as him.So, should he be benched?
Practically speaking, no, I don't think benching CJ2K is going to help the Titans. CJ is right, it's more than just him, but saying it is poor leadership and doesn't resolve many of the issues in playLeft Tackle - Mike RoosLeft Guard - Steve HutchinsonCenter - Fernando VelascoRight Guard - Leroy HarrisRight Tackle - David StewartFundamentally part of the problem is that Velasco is performing at a sub replacement level. The other issue is that Harris has played pretty horribly and I think this wasn't a huge secret coming into training camp that he was the big question mark on that line. Generally the advantage that the interior line has is that they can help each other out, in an ideal sense. Well the middle of the line is a sieve. Hutch gives you a lot in terms of intangibles and leadership, but he's no longer a player who can excel to the point of covering up another lineman's limitations. IMHO, Stewart also seems to be struggling a bit and essentially is left on an island with Harris next to him. Harris is simply not a starting guard in the NFL. He does not move well, he has lousy hands (usually the defender gets first contact with their hands), late in games, you can see he cheats a little at the waist so he doesn't get the proper knee position. He's not strong enough to drive back defenders and he's not crafty enough to know when to hold and how to make proper adjustments. Too often IMHO people look at how long a lineman holds and finishes his blocks ( still important) but less so on how quickly and fluidly he sets up. Watch Harris right after the snap in pass blocking, look at how long it takes him to set up compared to everyone else. You can see Harris has physical limitations, but you can also see he's mentally shot by how awkward he moves. This is a guy dependent on help on every snap. This is the guy playing 2nd base hoping the ball doesn't get hit to him. The most damning thing I can say is he is exactly the kind of lineman that Jerry Angelo would draft. It's a credit to Locker, and probably rooting from his Huskie days, that he excels at throwing on the run and is mobile and is used to improvisation behind a dysfunctional line. Velasco might be saved, as center is a much more complex position and I think the transition from Amano ( hurt) to Velasco might need more time. But right now the right side of that line and up the middle is a liability. Jared Cook is a good offensive threat, but he's not a good blocker. That doesn't help. Craig Stevens plays some quasi fullback, but is still a blocking tight end first and pass catcher second. Sadly the Titans need to use Stevens more than Cook. On CJ2K's end, he has to hit the holes he sees with aggressiveness and fight for yardage after the first hit. The line isn't helping him, but he's not helping himself either. The guy is the Erick Dampier of Tennessee, a guy who cashed his check and is content now to coast a little. Chris Palmer needs to make adjustments given this line. Maybe he doesn't have the complete power to do it. Things the Titans can do -A) Run an unbalanced line/tackle over. Get Stewart over to the other side, displace Harris and line up Stevens next to the center. Get Stewart, Roos and Hutch together. B) Move to the shotgun permanently. Spread the field with a no huddle four WR attack, spread Cook and Johnson wide. Force defenses to go into their dime or hybrid packages. If you can't overpower or physically match up in the trenches, your choices are to increase the confusion for the defense by using hybrids and/or increasing the pace of the game and/or try to create more size mismatches at the 2nd level. ( This would probably give Kendall Wright a boost) Give Johnson a chance to get the ball in space and take on smaller defenders. Maybe his mangina won't leak so much if he gets to run over a dime back on occasion. Locker has markedly improved his completion percentage from last season. What positives this O line can give you is going to be from pass blocking and not from the run blocking. Get Locker to do what he does best, use his mobility and his ability to make positive things happen while on the move. IMHO he is a markedly better passer on the move than sitting in the pocket. C) Accept what CJ2K will give you. He will give you something for something, but rarely something for nothing. He's a feast or famine back, even in his prime. Spread him wide. Put him in motion. Have him return kicks. Use the wildcat on occasion. If he's your marquee guy, then get him the ball. Find more ways to get him the ball. D) Get a true full back or use Stevens and accept you'll sell off some snaps or plays simply to hit the defense. Plays designed not for yardage, but for pure bone crushing soul eating violence. Instead of letting the D tee off on a wounded gazelle like Harris all game like a pack of rabid jackels, then mix it up and start punching the defense in the mouth. When in doubt, hit someone. When in doubt again, keep hitting someone. Eventually something good will happen for you. At some point you have to adjust to the personnel you have, not the personnel you hope you have. The Titans need to quit apeing what other franchises are doing ( needing a hotshot young QB thrown into the fire early and trying to supercharge an offense to win over your fans) and do what they used to do well. Be a fundamentally sound defensive oriented team that limited mistakes and focused on developing players in a more practical manner.
:goodposting: In all of the CJ threads, this is by far the best post addressing the situation.
 
'GordonGekko said:
Practically speaking, no, I don't think benching CJ2K is going to help the Titans. CJ is right, it's more than just him, but saying it is poor leadership and doesn't resolve many of the issues in playLeft Tackle - Mike RoosLeft Guard - Steve HutchinsonCenter - Fernando VelascoRight Guard - Leroy HarrisRight Tackle - David StewartFundamentally part of the problem is that Velasco is performing at a sub replacement level. The other issue is that Harris has played pretty horribly and I think this wasn't a huge secret coming into training camp that he was the big question mark on that line. Generally the advantage that the interior line has is that they can help each other out, in an ideal sense. Well the middle of the line is a sieve. Hutch gives you a lot in terms of intangibles and leadership, but he's no longer a player who can excel to the point of covering up another lineman's limitations. IMHO, Stewart also seems to be struggling a bit and essentially is left on an island with Harris next to him. Harris is simply not a starting guard in the NFL. He does not move well, he has lousy hands (usually the defender gets first contact with their hands), late in games, you can see he cheats a little at the waist so he doesn't get the proper knee position. He's not strong enough to drive back defenders and he's not crafty enough to know when to hold and how to make proper adjustments. Too often IMHO people look at how long a lineman holds and finishes his blocks ( still important) but less so on how quickly and fluidly he sets up. Watch Harris right after the snap in pass blocking, look at how long it takes him to set up compared to everyone else. You can see Harris has physical limitations, but you can also see he's mentally shot by how awkward he moves. This is a guy dependent on help on every snap. This is the guy playing 2nd base hoping the ball doesn't get hit to him. The most damning thing I can say is he is exactly the kind of lineman that Jerry Angelo would draft. It's a credit to Locker, and probably rooting from his Huskie days, that he excels at throwing on the run and is mobile and is used to improvisation behind a dysfunctional line. Velasco might be saved, as center is a much more complex position and I think the transition from Amano ( hurt) to Velasco might need more time. But right now the right side of that line and up the middle is a liability. Jared Cook is a good offensive threat, but he's not a good blocker. That doesn't help. Craig Stevens plays some quasi fullback, but is still a blocking tight end first and pass catcher second. Sadly the Titans need to use Stevens more than Cook. On CJ2K's end, he has to hit the holes he sees with aggressiveness and fight for yardage after the first hit. The line isn't helping him, but he's not helping himself either. The guy is the Erick Dampier of Tennessee, a guy who cashed his check and is content now to coast a little. Chris Palmer needs to make adjustments given this line. Maybe he doesn't have the complete power to do it. Things the Titans can do -A) Run an unbalanced line/tackle over. Get Stewart over to the other side, displace Harris and line up Stevens next to the center. Get Stewart, Roos and Hutch together. B) Move to the shotgun permanently. Spread the field with a no huddle four WR attack, spread Cook and Johnson wide. Force defenses to go into their dime or hybrid packages. If you can't overpower or physically match up in the trenches, your choices are to increase the confusion for the defense by using hybrids and/or increasing the pace of the game and/or try to create more size mismatches at the 2nd level. ( This would probably give Kendall Wright a boost) Give Johnson a chance to get the ball in space and take on smaller defenders. Maybe his mangina won't leak so much if he gets to run over a dime back on occasion. Locker has markedly improved his completion percentage from last season. What positives this O line can give you is going to be from pass blocking and not from the run blocking. Get Locker to do what he does best, use his mobility and his ability to make positive things happen while on the move. IMHO he is a markedly better passer on the move than sitting in the pocket. C) Accept what CJ2K will give you. He will give you something for something, but rarely something for nothing. He's a feast or famine back, even in his prime. Spread him wide. Put him in motion. Have him return kicks. Use the wildcat on occasion. If he's your marquee guy, then get him the ball. Find more ways to get him the ball. D) Get a true full back or use Stevens and accept you'll sell off some snaps or plays simply to hit the defense. Plays designed not for yardage, but for pure bone crushing soul eating violence. Instead of letting the D tee off on a wounded gazelle like Harris all game like a pack of rabid jackels, then mix it up and start punching the defense in the mouth. When in doubt, hit someone. When in doubt again, keep hitting someone. Eventually something good will happen for you. At some point you have to adjust to the personnel you have, not the personnel you hope you have. The Titans need to quit apeing what other franchises are doing ( needing a hotshot young QB thrown into the fire early and trying to supercharge an offense to win over your fans) and do what they used to do well. Be a fundamentally sound defensive oriented team that limited mistakes and focused on developing players in a more practical manner.
I agree with the above, great post I havent seen a better summary. Thanks for taking the time.
 
The interior of the line is what's killing them. Stewart ad Roos are still plus tackles. But Velasquez is getting abused and Amano has no business playing the full game at guard. It also doesn't help that locker basically ignores the outlet. Johnson has virtually no chance to take an outlet pass in space and make something happen since locker throws downfield almost every chance he can.

The titans still haven't been in a game where it makes sense to run the ball a ton. I'll withhold judgement on Johnson until then. But he's not getting benched for ringer orbharper anytime soon.

 
Also, to the people saying "He couldn't do anything in a game where TEN put up 44 points, he must be done." These people seem to be special a sub-set of "box score experts", the ones who only look at CJ's stats and nothing else. If you look a bit closer at how some of these TDs were scored, we have..

..a 61 yard TD pass to Cook.

..a 105 yard kick return for a TD by Reynaud.

..a 71 yard TD pass to N.Washington.

..a 72 yard fumble return for a TD.

..a 46 yard hail marry pass from Hill to Young.

So that's 35 points in where CJ would not see very much if any of the rock.

 
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Is Ringer a tough runner? Isn't he just a small speedster? What difference would that make?
Nothing about ringer is speedy. He's a plodder if anything. Titans should have addressed backup rb position this offseason after seeing what cjnok did last year. I have a feeling ringer gets at least 7-10 touches this week, and if can turn those into 40-50 yards then benching conversations will start in earnest. CJ really hurt himself by calling out his line. He let his one incredible season go straight to his head and it has ruined him. He has no sense of accountability and plays like a #####.
Their backups have looked fine in preseason. They have none or next to no NFL experience. People want CJ all the time and maybe a little Ringer, and then them to have experience...can't be.Ringer has been out with a very nasty elbow infection and will probably return soon.He's definitely different from CJ and could possibly be what the line needs. Compared to CJ 90% of NFL is plodding, I wouldn't call Ringer plodding or slow-he's a tough runner though that'll hit that line the back of linemen if they don't open a hole. Which brings me to my next point...NFL folks rarely every admit and fans don't often admit it, but O-lines have been proven to block better for some runners than others. The wonderful conspiracy theories aren't there. Sometimes it's pep and the guy is just so personable in the huddle and fires them up. Other times it's running into the back of them and they hate that. These are the two that are so hard to explain. Third one in a minute.I blame Palmer. I posted a thread here couple weeks back and I swear they look eerily similar to how his other team's lines have blocked.What I believe is Munchak made a fatal flaw that he's knows better on-speed of the o-line. Stewart and Roos have been top Tackles, but Fisher used Stevens and FB Ahmard Hall (a former Marine, good quality in a FB, you get the picture) to help lead the way for CJ. One of the things I kept reminding people here was when they drafted Cook, Fisher spoke of his speed would get him out in front and be freeing CJ at the next level. It didn't all work out as planned, but the Titans could really run the ball outside. If teams forced them, they had HOF caliber Mawae ready to wreck some DL just sitting there waiting. Old Mawae wasn't great, but he was effective AND he kept his feet for much of his career. Eugene Amano was a street fighter guard...again, asking for it if you wanted to force them to run inside. Scott was a very good lineman in Indy that got progressively worse after his FA money in TEN. He could move though.Steve Hutchinson is like 90 in NFL years. Roos and Stewart do not LOOK like they have feet anymore. I don't know if they are old (NFL world, their body) suddenly or just flat footed for some stupid unexplainable reason. They were once 1st and 2nd team All-Pros. All the talent ya need is right there.Their FB got hurt and....might have wanted to bring Hall back or put some serious thought into bringing in replacements that are top notch. An old FB would probably drool at the chance to unretire and free up CJ. Their addressing the FB spot has been terrible. FYI Cook played some FB and did halfway decent. Granted most plays he shifted weird, but he took a defender with him on those. Stevens is still there but has been banged up the last couple years. He's slower than the slow he was. He's possibly the most underrated blocking TE in the NFL and one of the best, but he's slower now. I don't like their interior line. If we're getting wacky with overloads and odd ideas and stuff (which still doesn't change speed and address what I think is the problem) then tell Stevens to play Guard. I don't care if he never has; that guy will "die trying" to free up CJ. And if Hutchinson can only walk (can't run) then he's too old.That's the third point I was getting at...if they are not fast enough to block for a fast runner, then they just aren't. The Giants had to change their line for Tiki and...it's just not the same for every runner.If CJ runs outside, who will be there?I would take a young Roos or young Stewart or even Stevens younger...blocking in front of CJ with 4-5 defenders coming at em' and have little concern, but they look like they have no feet anymore. Their WRs don't block well and that is really annoying. It's so easy to take for granted, but Fisher, BP, BB, Reid, Gibbs, Holmgren, Shanny....soooo many coaches wouldn't dare let a WR play if he couldn't block. Why does Munchak-the HOF lineman turned coach?I imagine Roos and Stewart can do well still if they don't have to move. I imagine a breakout game might see them move their feet again and have some pep. As long as they have no one to get out in front of CJ, Ringer (an excellent inside runner, many threads here wanting him to start elsewhere) and the other backs will very likely do better. I think the easiest fixes are-remove Palmer like all the other teams did and for the same reasons.Bench Hutchinson and/or wish him well...he was so awesome years ago.line CJ up with another RB and at the slot position and out wide. No other player in the NFL is as lightsout as he is. I don't care how ya get him in space, get it. Let the rookie WR watch him blow by people from the sidelines if need be. I wouldn't be against him returning punts and kickoffs even just give the guy some space already.Bench WRs that take plays off blocking like is supposed to happen. They have good talent at WR, it won't matter. Plan for the first pick and trade CJ ...seriously the guy still might hold some ridiculous value. I bet every NFL coach's ego thinks they can fix him.
 
I don't buy the "defenses a replaying the run and stacking the box" excuse. Haven't NFL teams doing the same to the likes of Trent Richardson, MJD, and other RB's with weak passing offenses for years?

 
I don't buy the "defenses a replaying the run and stacking the box" excuse. Haven't NFL teams doing the same to the likes of Trent Richardson, MJD, and other RB's with weak passing offenses for years?
You should buy it, because it's one of a myriad of variables that is definitely effecting CJ's play. Solely, this won't stop a RB, when coupled with a #### ton of other crappy situations, it sure as hell doesn't help.
 
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Thanks for the good replies to this thread all. It makes me feel a lot better as i'm holding CJ4.2, but going to my FF bench for sure.

 
He just got dumped in our league for Tashard Choice on a WW pickup. I was a little confused by that as that seemed to be a little over-reaction?

I blew it this week because I went into the WW process with #2 priority and picked up Ryan Williams and dropped David Wilson. If I had known CJ was going to be dumped I would have held onto my priority and kept it for CJ.

I think dumping him off your roster is a little extreme?

 
He just got dumped in our league for Tashard Choice on a WW pickup. I was a little confused by that as that seemed to be a little over-reaction?I blew it this week because I went into the WW process with #2 priority and picked up Ryan Williams and dropped David Wilson. If I had known CJ was going to be dumped I would have held onto my priority and kept it for CJ.I think dumping him off your roster is a little extreme?
Why? He stinks. Tashard Choice has more fantasy points already than Johnson on the year. He's done, out of football by 2014. No way the Titans continue to tank games to appease this turd. I'd just release him if I were their GM. Teams can get similar production from street free agents.
 
'GordonGekko said:
Harris is simply not a starting guard in the NFL. He does not move well, he has lousy hands (usually the defender gets first contact with their hands), late in games, you can see he cheats a little at the waist so he doesn't get the proper knee position. He's not strong enough to drive back defenders and he's not crafty enough to know when to hold and how to make proper adjustments. Too often IMHO people look at how long a lineman holds and finishes his blocks ( still important) but less so on how quickly and fluidly he sets up. Watch Harris right after the snap in pass blocking, look at how long it takes him to set up compared to everyone else. You can see Harris has physical limitations, but you can also see he's mentally shot by how awkward he moves. This is a guy dependent on help on every snap. This is the guy playing 2nd base hoping the ball doesn't get hit to him. The most damning thing I can say is he is exactly the kind of lineman that Jerry Angelo would draft. It's a credit to Locker, and probably rooting from his Huskie days, that he excels at throwing on the run and is mobile and is used to improvisation behind a dysfunctional line.
nice post, they say Harris is playing through a knee injury. also note they signed Deuce Lutui a couple weeks ago, if he learns the plays that guy could start over Harris. They are aware it's a problem.
 
great thread....when I clicked on it I assumed it would be like all the other CJ threads with clever names saying he sucks post after post. Good stuff Goat, Bri, Gekko and others.

 
'Nucker101 said:
I don't buy the "defenses a replaying the run and stacking the box" excuse. Haven't NFL teams doing the same to the likes of Trent Richardson, MJD, and other RB's with weak passing offenses for years?
that's true but the difference is that those teams called running plays anyway, and committed to the run. in the end, it all comes down to touches. The Titans aren't dialing up CJ's number through three weeks. We can say it's because he doesn't deserve it (and that's probably true) but it's tough to have a functional running game without committing to the run. I also think someone made a great point about his fullback or lack of one.also the original question should he be benched, the arrow is pointed up on this guy. It's not a huge improvement but he is improving. If Locker keeps playing well, it will take the pressure off of CJ.
 
'ichris said:
He's a buy low... :unsure:
He's a buy "No"
I don't know...if I can swap a D. Williams or J. Rodgers or some other speculative trash for him it's worth a shot. He did have some nice runs last game but also got hit for a bunch of losses. Consider last year in his 1st 3 games he got 4.9, 6.5 and 7.5 points (18.9) vs. 5.1, 2.8 and 2.9 (10.8) but for the rest of the way he avg'd nearly 12 points a week. Not huge numbers but he did have weeks in there where he won games for fantasy owners. Sometimes things change quickly and maybe they fire Palmer, change the offense, line play improves, CJ shows some pride, etc.. There's still 81% of the season left to play so if you can scoop him up for pennies on the dollar it's a no risk play IMO.
 
He just got dumped in our league for Tashard Choice on a WW pickup. I was a little confused by that as that seemed to be a little over-reaction?I blew it this week because I went into the WW process with #2 priority and picked up Ryan Williams and dropped David Wilson. If I had known CJ was going to be dumped I would have held onto my priority and kept it for CJ.I think dumping him off your roster is a little extreme?
Why? He stinks. Tashard Choice has more fantasy points already than Johnson on the year. He's done, out of football by 2014. No way the Titans continue to tank games to appease this turd. I'd just release him if I were their GM. Teams can get similar production from street free agents.
Maybe this will work out better for the team dropping a workhorse running back? But I am hard pressed to think that a potential one week replacement in Choice is going to turn out to be a better option over the length of the season?
 
Someone in my league just traded him for McGahee. I guess they are both risky players at the moment. Johnson...sucking and McGahee...injury worries.

 
I could be wrong about this, but I remember hearing/reading recently that CJ did most of his damage when in a Heimerdinger scheme, and since then, it has been more of a one-cut scheme which does not fit his style. Now, I don't think that is the only reason, and this could have snowballed so much that it would be nearly impossible to get him back on track in TN (he does look like he is frustrated which compounds the problems). I just don't see how a guy who ran for 2000 yards, at a young age, without injury since, can fall off the face of the Earth like this. Even Larry Johnson was older and more beat up when he descended.

LJ had his two massive years when he was 26 and 27. CJ is just 27 now. I will say this though, while neither had a huge amount of touches in college, CJ definitely had more. The thing is, I just don't see it as a health issue...I have never seen a RB "lose" his vision, but either CJ did (by trying to compensate), or the scheme and possibly the line are killing him.

 
and they play Houston this week, what are the chances CJ breaks out and has a big game this week?

slim to none

then at Vikings, against Steelers .... 3 more weeks or horrible production ahead? or does CJ really take all the criticism to heart and man it up and start playing with fire again?

huge risk buying now, I'm not sure the reward/upside is worth it anymore on who was once a dynamic talent.

THIS is why teams are so hesitant to pay RB's before their contracts are up.

 

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