Should Jerry Jones be booted as an owner? (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

Terrible thread......ridiculous.

Yes, they should remove him because you dont like him.

Tried to end the thread a couple times in the beginning but clearly it keeps getting bumped. Yes people didn't agree it was a decent topic. That's fine and all.To reply to you-I don't dislike Jerry at all and never stated as such.My point wasn't solely the Supe stuff, but the injuries of workers and customers at both the practice facility collapse and the Supe. I tried to ask earlier how many people would need to get hurt for such an event to happen. Yes I know the SP and yes I got a sarcastic reply which was expected.I asked a leading question because that was my point, my Q- when does the NFL take a team away like removing a franchise owner in "the real world"? There's a thread here on whether or not they'll get another Supe for more info, but I was referring to Jones' actions/inactions this past year and/or his company's.(Feel free to replace Jones with Jones' company or outsourced company)There's a lawsuit where many believe Jones committed fraud toward the fans that many believe they are going to win. The victims were already offered treble the damages in an effort to settle. DeCammillis went to work and almost got paralyzed.Remember the reporters and players in that collapse video? There were lawsuits with that.Workers had ice hit them.I get the stuff happens attitude with businesses and injuries, lawsuits and such but we're at about 1000 people now.So I thought 1000 people, wow, maybe the NFL needs to come down on Jones.You guys said I was wrong stupid topic etc. That's cool but please don't make stuff up. Thanks

 

[2323]

if i was a cowboys fan i would want mr jones gone...what has he done...not a thing. sure he has done well on the business side of the sport but he has not put a quality product on the field...and that is the bottom line.

Gees, do you understand the NFL at all?Not a thing? Seriously? 3 Super Bowl wins, please you lost all credibility!

understand the nfl very well. i also understand that jerry inherated those rings. so answer my question again...what has HE done besides run that franchise in the wrong direction. every year they are supposed to be one of the teams to beat and they are far from it.

 

[cobalt_27]

if i was a cowboys fan i would want mr jones gone...what has he done...not a thing. sure he has done well on the business side of the sport but he has not put a quality product on the field...and that is the bottom line.

Gees, do you understand the NFL at all?Not a thing? Seriously? 3 Super Bowl wins, please you lost all credibility!

understand the nfl very well. i also understand that jerry inherated those rings. so answer my question again...what has HE done besides run that franchise in the wrong direction. every year they are supposed to be one of the teams to beat and they are far from it.

Oof! You should delete this post.

 

[fatness]

The side I've taken is that if you think of any other industry-he would be fired, have his franchise taken away, etc when that many customers get hurt, that many workers get hurt and that seriously.

This is simply not true.

Pay him no attention. He is simply yet another Redskin fan who has an inferiority complex. It's sorta weird that they concentrate more on their rival then they do their own team.

It's easy to generalize like that but you'd be wrong, and I'm sure you don't want to make Cowboy fans look dumb.I'm a Redskin fan and I don't think Jones should be booted as an owner. And as bad as he is I don't think Dan Snyder should be booted either.

 

[Football Critic]

if i was a cowboys fan i would want mr jones gone...what has he done...not a thing. sure he has done well on the business side of the sport but he has not put a quality product on the field...and that is the bottom line.

Gees, do you understand the NFL at all?Not a thing? Seriously? 3 Super Bowl wins, please you lost all credibility!

understand the nfl very well. i also understand that jerry inherated those rings. so answer my question again...what has HE done besides run that franchise in the wrong direction. every year they are supposed to be one of the teams to beat and they are far from it.

Oof! You should delete this post.

I bet he wish he could, I love his first sentence. Now lets talk about how he understands the NFL and talk about Jerrys rings shall we?1989 Draft - Aikmen and The Moose

1990 Draft - Emmitt Smith

1991 Draft - Russell Maryland, Erik Williams, Leon Lett, and Alvin Harper

1992 Draft - Jimmy Smith and Darren Woodson

I'll stop at this point. and say...Yup he "inherated" the team,

2 Hall of Famers in those draft classes and each one above made the Pro Bowl at some point.

Are you done talking now? Cause you should be.

Gees, and I'm not even a Cowboys fan, let alone a Jerry fan.

 

[Sinrman]

So the NFL should forcibly take a business away from a owner...? If the NFL has done nothing with the Fords, Al Davis, Dan Snyder, or others,then why would they do something with Jerry Jones? This isn't the Communist States of America.... yet!

Actually, it is the Communist State of Football. First, we have publicly paid for stadiums. That's not capitalistic. Not in the least.Second, players have no say where they work. They are drafted and told what company they will work for. Sounds a lot like Communism where the State told you where you would work. You have league fines and suspensions for players--yet those players don't work for the league, they work for a team don't they? Sounds like authoritarianism to me.And capitalism is about companies competing with each other for customers and revenue. But the NFL doesn't do that. They share revenue and they manipulate player salaries through a collective bargaining agreement. All of this violates Anti-Trust laws, but we give sports teams an exception for some reason. Basically, they do not function as a private company but as a shared corporation.

I can see where you're going with that, and in a way you are right. However, for the NFL to truly be "communist" all the players would make an even amount. A great deal of the players make under $1 or $2 mil/year, while the high profile stars make the $5, $10, $20 mil/year contracts. That wouldn't happen under Communism, unless you were a government official doing it behind everyone's back. *wink, wink*

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Forget Jerry Jones, the owner that needs to go is Jerry Richardson, he is really starting to piss me off and looks like the main hardline owner for this lockout

 

[DiStefano]

I think that when you have these kind of problems, it is entirely appropriate to take action against the guy on top. It happened on his watch.

So, fire Obama.

 

[cobalt_27]

I think that when you have these kind of problems, it is entirely appropriate to take action against the guy on top. It happened on his watch.So, fire Obama.

Fire Goodell, too, since it was an NFL-sanctioned event.This would solve everything.

 

[Bri]

I think that when you have these kind of problems, it is entirely appropriate to take action against the guy on top. It happened on his watch.So, fire Obama.

If a player gets arrested, he gets police/governmental punishment and the NFL punishes him after(suspension).Jones (and others) is getting sued.If 1000 people had serious negative issues (I guess that's a decent phrase to sum it up) don't you expect the NFL to step in in some fashion? Fine for Jones or...any fashion?

 

[cobalt_27]

I think that when you have these kind of problems, it is entirely appropriate to take action against the guy on top. It happened on his watch.So, fire Obama.

If a player gets arrested, he gets police/governmental punishment and the NFL punishes him after(suspension).Jones (and others) is getting sued.If 1000 people had serious negative issues (I guess that's a decent phrase to sum it up) don't you expect the NFL to step in in some fashion? Fine for Jones or...any fashion?

What's your understanding of who has oversight and hires the contractors for the SB? The owner of the place where the game is played? Or the NFL?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I think that when you have these kind of problems, it is entirely appropriate to take action against the guy on top. It happened on his watch.

So, fire Obama.

If a player gets arrested, he gets police/governmental punishment and the NFL punishes him after(suspension).Jones (and others) is getting sued.

If 1000 people had serious negative issues (I guess that's a decent phrase to sum it up) don't you expect the NFL to step in in some fashion? Fine for Jones or...any fashion?

I agree that the NFL should do something, that is an incident that could be considered detrimental to the league.NFL should fine the host (which is probably either the Cowboys franchise or the corp that owns the stadium.. whoever is legally responsible for hosting the event in contract), the host would then add that expense along with any other expenses to the list of grievances against the contractor... It all comes out of the contractors pocket in the long run...

But I agree the NFL should fine whoever is contractually liable. That's not going to be 'Jerry Jones' unless he incorporated under his own name..

 

[Orlando RMF]

Forget Jerry Jones, the owner that needs to go is Jerry Richardson, he is really starting to piss me off and looks like the main hardline owner for this lockout

My thing with Jones is he wants to eliminate the salary cap. Football would totally suck, like baseball with no cap. If you can buy a championship, football will become totally unwatchable. Jones wants to be the Yankees of Football. No thanks.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Forget Jerry Jones, the owner that needs to go is Jerry Richardson, he is really starting to piss me off and looks like the main hardline owner for this lockout

My thing with Jones is he wants to eliminate the salary cap. Football would totally suck, like baseball with no cap. If you can buy a championship, football will become totally unwatchable. Jones wants to be the Yankees of Football. No thanks.

Football didnt have a cap except for the last 20 years of its existance. Some people argue the 70s is still the best time of the NFL. Caps are necessary and I doubt Jeerrahs other owners would want it gone

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

The side I've taken is that if you think of any other industry-he would be fired, have his franchise taken away, etc when that many customers get hurt, that many workers get hurt and that seriously.

This is simply not true.

Pay him no attention. He is simply yet another Redskin fan who has an inferiority complex. It's sorta weird that they concentrate more on their rival then they do their own team.

It's easy to generalize like that but you'd be wrong, and I'm sure you don't want to make Cowboy fans look dumb.I'm a Redskin fan and I don't think Jones should be booted as an owner. And as bad as he is I don't think Dan Snyder should be booted either.

Aww, I was just poking fun at you guys. My team sucks too right now.

 

[2323]

if i was a cowboys fan i would want mr jones gone...what has he done...not a thing. sure he has done well on the business side of the sport but he has not put a quality product on the field...and that is the bottom line.

Gees, do you understand the NFL at all?Not a thing? Seriously? 3 Super Bowl wins, please you lost all credibility!

understand the nfl very well. i also understand that jerry inherated those rings. so answer my question again...what has HE done besides run that franchise in the wrong direction. every year they are supposed to be one of the teams to beat and they are far from it.

Oof! You should delete this post.

I bet he wish he could, I love his first sentence. Now lets talk about how he understands the NFL and talk about Jerrys rings shall we?1989 Draft - Aikmen and The Moose

1990 Draft - Emmitt Smith

1991 Draft - Russell Maryland, Erik Williams, Leon Lett, and Alvin Harper

1992 Draft - Jimmy Smith and Darren Woodson

I'll stop at this point. and say...Yup he "inherated" the team,

2 Hall of Famers in those draft classes and each one above made the Pro Bowl at some point.

Are you done talking now? Cause you should be.

Gees, and I'm not even a Cowboys fan, let alone a Jerry fan.

yep...from 89-92 were some very good drafts by the boys. so you dont think that jimmy johnson did not play a huge role in evaluating talent for those drafts? those were the same years that jimmy was there. take a look at the drafts after jimmy was let go...93-present (sure there are some good picks...but nothing like the years jimmy was there).

do you think jimmy would have listened to jerry when he brought up names like isiah stanback, quincy carter, etc. or do the roy williams deal. i think not.

i still stand behind "he inherated the team". jerry is the one who stated "any number of 500 coaches could win with this team".

since he has let jimmy go the boys havent done squat.

 

[cobalt_27]

yep...from 89-92 were some very good drafts by the boys. so you dont think that jimmy johnson did not play a huge role in evaluating talent for those drafts? those were the same years that jimmy was there. take a look at the drafts after jimmy was let go...93-present (sure there are some good picks...but nothing like the years jimmy was there). do you think jimmy would have listened to jerry when he brought up names like isiah stanback, quincy carter, etc. or do the roy williams deal. i think not.i still stand behind "he inherated the team". jerry is the one who stated "any number of 500 coaches could win with this team".since he has let jimmy go the boys havent done squat.

Ok. Thanks for your input. Time to move along.

 

[Bri]

I think that when you have these kind of problems, it is entirely appropriate to take action against the guy on top. It happened on his watch.So, fire Obama.

If a player gets arrested, he gets police/governmental punishment and the NFL punishes him after(suspension).Jones (and others) is getting sued.If 1000 people had serious negative issues (I guess that's a decent phrase to sum it up) don't you expect the NFL to step in in some fashion? Fine for Jones or...any fashion?

What's your understanding of who has oversight and hires the contractors for the SB? The owner of the place where the game is played? Or the NFL?

Now? Now it's a guess that Jones and/or "his people" hired individuals and some guy in NYC at the NFL offices approved of a Texas builder/contractor instead of doing their homework on the company. Well I guess I'm not sure, but there seems to be a pretty major kink in the system set up by the NFL like that.I've tried to do some NFL research on franchise agreement/owner's rights stuff but am not having much luck finding documents. It's not surprising, just wanted to explain why I'm guessing is all.

 

[Bri]

yep...from 89-92 were some very good drafts by the boys. so you dont think that jimmy johnson did not play a huge role in evaluating talent for those drafts? those were the same years that jimmy was there. take a look at the drafts after jimmy was let go...93-present (sure there are some good picks...but nothing like the years jimmy was there). do you think jimmy would have listened to jerry when he brought up names like isiah stanback, quincy carter, etc. or do the roy williams deal. i think not.i still stand behind "he inherated the team". jerry is the one who stated "any number of 500 coaches could win with this team".since he has let jimmy go the boys havent done squat.

Ok. Thanks for your input. Time to move along.

2323, I don't understand your logic here. You start by saying JJ landed new players(draft) and finish saying he inherited them. Is it Herschel (who he inherited) initiated all this? I guess one could argue that.In response to your second section: I believe Jimmy was something that "a million" NFL owners thought they could get when they hired a college coach-a guy that in the least would know the college talent pool so well that they'd have an exceptional draft filled with terrific insight. So, reply to the second part, I would have to guess Jimmy would be out of touch when Carter, Stanbeck and Williams were drafted relative to when he coached previously.

 

[fatness]

Aww, I was just poking fun at you guys. My team sucks too right now.

It sucks that our teams suck, doesn't it?