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Should we get to know Emmanuel Sanders? (1 Viewer)
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1" and 9 lbs. Not a lot different. It will be interesting to see the body develop on Sanders with a decent training regimen (unless SMU is farther along as a program than expected). Also would have to go back and look at the rest of Wallace's measurables; Sanders had a fantastic 40, vert, shuttle, and cones. Also looked great in all the positional drills at the combine. He looks very smooth and very relaxed making hands-catches away from his body; even at awkward angles at speed.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
I just traded Breaston for Emmanuel Sanders straight up.I think he's a very nice buy and hold.
Tyrion
Footballguy
Good question. I don't know. Anyone have more information about him?
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I think his value is marginal until Ben gets back but after that he definitely has a chance to be decent. With Ben in the lineup the Steelers will go with a lot of empty sets so there will be opportunity.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Bloom stated that he wouldn't be surprised is Sanders takes the wr2 role with Wallace being able to do what he does best which is work the slot.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
take a look at his highlights. I think he will be a nice player seems to fight for the ball and not scared of contact
Mark Wimer
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Hey Godsbrother,Could you amplify on your statement that the "Steelers will go with a lot of empty sets" once BR is back? I'm interested in sleeper WR candidates for both my IDP dynasty league teams and want to hear more on why you believe the Steelers might throw to Emmanuel Sanders quite a bit in the second half of the season.Sincerely,MW
My guess is that the excitement surrounding him is a year away. The short memory for Steelers rookie WRs is Wallace. but everyone prior to that showed little value in their first year. It is practically a given in the Steelers system that WRs do not produce in their 1st seasons. As much as I love Wallace, I would argue that his unusual success was only partly due to ability/maturity and a bigger part was the infatualtion with the passing game last year. That love has been taken down a couple notches with Big Ben's suspension and the reported interest in the rebirth of Steeler football (ie, the running attack). (different point but the Steelers may NEED to go back to their roots a bit to reclaim the connection with the fans weakened by the Big Ben fiasco)
Judging from highlights Sanders looks like the eventual replacement for Ward (smallish, gutsy, good footwork/(routes?), willing to block, etc.). For this year, I would would guess he gets his hands on the ball most often with special teams. When he is on the field during offensive sets they may actually like him for his ability to block in classic Steeler/Ward fashion.
I would have to guess that if there was ever a real expectation of having Sweed out there, then the loss of Sweed opens the door to rely more on Randle El as the third receiver. The Steeler QBs (Dixon or Lefty) will need reliable WRs out their and as much veteran presence as they can get. I for one like the idea of El out there. I think he is what he is, and that was never a #1 WR that the Redskins hoped from him. Especially at this point in his career he is made for the #3. Sanders will have some great models to learn from this year and I expect him to spring forward in 2011.
Judging from highlights Sanders looks like the eventual replacement for Ward (smallish, gutsy, good footwork/(routes?), willing to block, etc.). For this year, I would would guess he gets his hands on the ball most often with special teams. When he is on the field during offensive sets they may actually like him for his ability to block in classic Steeler/Ward fashion.
I would have to guess that if there was ever a real expectation of having Sweed out there, then the loss of Sweed opens the door to rely more on Randle El as the third receiver. The Steeler QBs (Dixon or Lefty) will need reliable WRs out their and as much veteran presence as they can get. I for one like the idea of El out there. I think he is what he is, and that was never a #1 WR that the Redskins hoped from him. Especially at this point in his career he is made for the #3. Sanders will have some great models to learn from this year and I expect him to spring forward in 2011.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Roethlisberger loves to work in empty sets a lot and Arians love a wide open offense so the Steelers have been relying more and more on them in recent years, much to the chagrin of Steelers fans everywhere. It is not that Ben is ineffective in empty sets, to the contrary he is very good. The problem is that it leaves him vulnerable because there is no one back to help out an often shakey offensive line and he holds on to the ball too long. The other problem is the Steelers will go into empty sets even on occasions where the situation would suggest otherwise (see the game in Cleveland for an example). However the numbers don't lie and last season the Steelers offense generated a 4,000+ yard passer and two 1,000 yard receivers and 28 of their 38 offensive TDs came through the air. Six players had 20+ receptions and much of this production came from empty sets. The lid has been blown off of Pandora's box and despite Mr. Rooney's desire to go back to the power running game the team is still built by and for Roethlisberger. Therefore when Ben returns so will the empty sets. Obviously Ward, Wallace and Miller will be involved but that leaves the door open for Randle El, Battle, and Sanders. My guess is that Randel El will be favored early since he is the veteran and is familiar with the Ben and offense, but as the season goes along Sanders will have opportunities to show what he has got. If Sanders has the goods then Ben will utilize him, just like he did Wallace in 2009.
That's just Arians' system and the way its developed with Roethlisberger. You'd be surprised with how much control Roethlisberger has over the offense compared to a lot of QBs to be honest... I believe that either Simms or Esaison said last season that no other QB other than Peyton Manning has as much control over their offense than Big Ben.He naturally excels at the hurry up/no huddle in the shotgun and everything spread out, so they run a lot of that. I know there's talk of running the football more this year, but Ben is their big playmaker on offense and they'll lean on him to make plays. If I was looking at Sanders, I'd also be wagering somewhat on the health of Ward. You might figure by the end of the year he might miss some time and that would give Sanders even more of an opportunity. It's hard to imagine Ward making it healthy through a full 16 game season without missing some time anymore.
identikit
Footballguy
I'd agree with this if Wallace pretty much lined up in the slot all season. But he didnt. As has been said many times on this board, Wallace played (and was successful) from all wr positions (primarily the slot and @ flanker).Sabertooth said:
He's not just a speed/stretch-the-field guy. He's not just a slot guy. He's got a pretty well-rounded game as far as how he can be used.
This need to pigeonhole him as just this or just that is just silly. I'm not sure what the motivation is for people to do this. Watch his games.
That being said, Sanders is a nice wr in his own right. From the clips, he plays a lot like Ward. With a fighter's attitude.
I drafted him/moved up to draft him wherever I could.
I think Pitt is in nice shape for the future at the position.
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Mark Wimer
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Thanks, I was left wondering after the draft (Pouncey, Scott, Dwyer) if the team wasn't reloading to return to more of a power running game (I think they WILL do that more during BR's suspension). The OL was a big liability last year, obviously, so I'm not at all questioning the OL picks - just wondering what it will mean to the team's offense/offensive philosophy if the line does a better job run blocking this year. I appreciate the input, guys (Godsbrother and LTF in particular).MWGodsbrother said:
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Sanders has missed a lot of time due to foot surgery. In the meantime Antonio Brown may have stepped up and passed him. We'll just have to wait and see how they are used. I think Brown is worth a late round flier pick while Sanders can be left on the wire for now.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
The price is right on a lot of 4th or 5th wideouts in the NFL right now. I don't see much of a reason to value him over guys like James Jones or Taylor Price right now.
by_the_sea_wannabe
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get to know both'T with T said:
treat88
Footballguy
Because the targets in front of him have bigger question marks and the offense is run by a QB that looks for his WR's vs. checkdown patterns.Ward is rapidly declining, he's even struggled to separate from LB's over the least two seasons and Arians has had to scheme him open with motion and bunch sets. He's almost done and the #2 spot in a wide open offense is up for grabs.Wallace is a stud but he does not run the full route tree, someone of Brown/Sanders/Miller will benefit from the underneath and crossing pattern targets.With what they have shown Sanders and Brown should be at or near the top of the list of dynasty league prospect acquisitions. Nothings for sure but the risk reward ratio is hugely positive.
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