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Almost said the same thing, but didn't want argue with Rudnicki.Really my list consists of only two players: McCallister, Bailey.
no argument there.
I'd like to see the numbers against him compared to those against the other cornerbacks listed so far.
Post is about the last 5 years. And while he's a shadow of his former self, 3-5 years ago, Ty Law was a shut down corner.
They were a pretty good tandem. McKenzie may have been better in the beginning, but I'm certain Harris is better at this point.
That is incorrect sir. Evans had one big catch against the Packers this year (the touchdown). On the previous play, one of the safeties (I forget which) was injured and had to come out for a play. In adjusting for the next play, Charles Woodson moved over to the safety's spot, and the nickelback (not sure who it was at that time) came in and took Woodson's place. Because it was Woodson's first play of the season at safety I believe, he wasn't sure what he was supposed to do in that coverage. Thus when Al Harris thought he had help deep and released Evans, Evans found himself all alone in the end zone. You can blame the coaching staff for being unprepared for injury, but don't put it on Harris.Here's an article about the play.
there was another play when he torched Harris, was wide open, but Losman underthrew the ball which gave Harris time to catch up and break it up.thanks for the link though. I'm not trying to bash Harris at all. He's usually very good whenever I get to watch him play, and he's one of the few CBs I don't want my fantasy WRs matching up against. In that respect, I will agree that he's more of a shutdown CB than Clements.
Um noRenegadeGM said:
Samuel isn't anything close to a shut down corner. He's had a nice year picking off passes but he's the kind of player who gambles a lot. For every INT he nabs, there are 2 plays where he gambles and gets burnt. He's a #2 CB at best (ideally, he's a nickel guy) and yes, somebody will overpay for that this offseason.
um, any reason why you say this? I am not a CLE homer so I could be way off, but I remember he was one of the few to shut down Chad Johnson last year and I remember reading an article after last year that did some strange study on CBs and % of catches they allowed per targets thrown their way and he was susprisingly the top guy the list. I know he'll never be Champ Bailey, but I thought this guy was an up-and-comer at least.
Like I said I don't follow the Browns closely.very true... I guess/assume the term came about from Deion Sanders in the 90s, didn't it? I agree with Bailey being shut down. It takes a lot for me to consider someone a shut down, being a Redskins fan and growing up absolutely loving Darrell Green, in my opinion the best shut down corner I've ever seen play, it's tough to put a lot of these names in with him.tombonneau said:
I agree. Bailey is the only one evenn worth considering IMO. Even he has not been a "shut down CB" really either. Not if you're looking at the last 5 years at least. There are no shut down CBs anymore. The NFL, media and casual fan don't want there to be and change/tweak the rules to prevent it.
Untrue, Asante shutdown almost every WR he played against after a few hiccups in the first couple of weeks. Seriously, teams have been trying to throw against him, and he's making them pay in a Champ Bailey type of way. He's had interceptions where he's simply been the better receiver on a route, and will come down with INTs where it doesn't seem possible because his coverage on a WR is so tight.
Seymour Corn said:
I disagree.
I'd say you're pretty accurate. He does well when healthy. He's a quality NFL CB, but not "shutdown" level.um, any reason why you say this? I am not a CLE homer so I could be way off, but I remember he was one of the few to shut down Chad Johnson last year and I remember reading an article after last year that did some strange study on CBs and % of catches they allowed per targets thrown their way and he was susprisingly the top guy the list. I know he'll never be Champ Bailey, but I thought this guy was an up-and-comer at least.Like I said I don't follow the Browns closely.
tombonneau said:
My nickname for him was "Chris Canty Cover Anybody?" Say it fast.Samuel is a good CB but not a shutdown CB. The fact he has 10 INTs means that people are still throwing at him. A true shutdown CB doesn't get thrown at. When Darrell Green was playing CB, Redskins CBs like Barry Wilburn were leading the NFL in INTs because they were getting thrown at so much since nobody threw at Green.Bailey is a legit shutdown CB. As a Ravens homer, I will say that McAlister has had one or two shutdown CB seasons (he had one incredible stretch in 2003 where he shut down CJ, Holt, TO, Chambers and a bunch of other guys all in a row), one or two good to mediocre years, and that he is again rounding into shutdown form right now. In the last two games, he has not only been shutting guys down but also jumping routes and making teams pay when they go at him (like with the INT for TD vs. Buffalo last week). He had a couple of coverages vs. Pitt, where he would have had INTs for TDs except that Big Ben overthrew the route so badly that nobody could reach the ball.McAlister runs hot and cold and sometimes loses interest. But right now, he is very focused and playing like a shutdown CB. I just wish he could do it all the time.
Although Law is overrated.
Barber is a great Cover 2 corner... not a shutdown corner.
